George Carlin used to have a joke which went something like this.
"Business people are evil. You know how you can tell? Put two of them across each other in a business deal and both of them will be convinced the other guy is out to screw them."
If the PHBs of the United States make a world to themselves where everybody is suing everybody all the time then they deserve what they get. While they are busy suing each the businesses in other countries will be kicking their asses all over the place.
You keep using words like "Hypothetical" and "Theoretical" but I don't think you know what they mean.
Hypothetical does not mean you can live in a 1KM square section of an 1/2KM square ranch. Theoretical does not mean tractors grow on trees or that you can drill on your farm and hit oil to feed that tractor.
Neither word means that 10KM square plot of land will supply all the needs of 17 million people.
You live in a make believe world. A world in which natural resources can magically appear just where they are needed simply by waving a wand.
"Funny that she's been a model, then?"
There are lots of 12 year old models. There are lots of older models who pass for 12. There are also lots of 12 years actors. Most people don't look at them as sexual objects though. If you show an average person a picture of a 12 year old they will think that the person is adorable or cute but only a small fraction will feel a sexual attraction to them.
Your Uncle (or whoever is in that picture) feels sexually attracted to 12 year olds. That's the big difference between that guy and the average person.
"A ranch. Ranch is different than a farm. "
Oh well that explains everything. Is this ranch mostly in the fourth dimension too?
" I also said, "Maximum efficiency." It is perfectly feasible, but not with todays technology (as I've already pointed out.)"
Ah there is that magic wand of maximum efficiency again. Of course if you had a magic wand a half a KM square plot of land would yield enough steel, copper, oil, trees, cotton, trees, granite, corn and anything else a family might need forever.
"There are two types of people who say things are impossible: Those who understand the problem and fucking idiots. You are a fucking idiot."
Mmmm well I know how to convert acres to square kilometers.
You on the other hand lived in a magical ranch which imported nothing except electricity.
Who is the idiot?
"you beat HanzoSan."
I know that slashdot means a lot to you, but you should not presume that everyone has the same obsession. For example I don't know who HanzoSan is nor do I care. Most people don't fixate on slashdot people and stalk them like you do.
"Even though you are now in first, someone may beat you in the future."
maybe one of your 300 slashdot friends can give me a prize or something. Maybe they will wait until you devestate me by putting an article about me on your journal. Surely once you have smitten me with your mighty journal entry weapon your horde of slashdot friends will come to lift you high on their shoulders and praise your name to the heavens!.
" I'll still respond and insult you, because you don't have to end it now."
I will respons until friday. Then I have to leave the country for a couple of weeks but I'll pick it up again after I come back. I am sure you will fixate on somebody else to stalk while I am gone. Don't worry though I promise I'll be back.
" In fact, I don't think you will because you like to argue hypothetical situations as literal arguments."
You keep using that word but I don't think you understand what it means.
"You see, this whole thing was a hypothetical statement and you are trying to argue as if it were literal"
I am glad to see that you finally admit that your whole point was some sort of a make believe fantasy.
"Materials, what materials? Textiles can be made synthetic and recyclable, very simple solution. Food is also very simple."
What are synthetic materials made of do you know? While you are thinking about that why don't you take a stroll over to the polyester recylcing plant drop off your old clothes for recycling.
"That ranch was about 115 acres, most of which was commercial. Our supporting areas where probably about 1 square kilo, and it supported 13 people. The only thing we imported was electricity. When hydrogen fuel cells come into play, that wouldn't have been an issue either."
Oh man where to start. Jeez man you are one hell of a retarded imbecile you know that?
First of all you need to make sure you are paying attention in school especially in your math classes. Do you know how many square kilometers 115 acres is? Before your tiny brain explodes from thinking too much I'll tell you. 115 acres is about.47 square kilometers. Don't let the weird looking number scare you that's about a half of a square kilometer.
So your ranch was half a square kilometer and as you say " most of which was commercial", but of that.47 sq KM your "supporting areas where[sic] probably about 1 square kilo". (Maybe you should pay attention during english class too!) Anyway back to that nasty math again. How could this be? How do you get 1KM square plot out of an half a KM square ranch? Oh I know most of your ranch was in another dimension right? Or maybe you were waiving that wand of maximum efficiency again.
Anyway let's pretend that your interdimentional plot of land was actually 1 sq KM OK?
According to your feeble brain 1KM square supported 13 people. So 10MK square should support 130 people right? Ooops what happened to 10 KM square supporting 17 million people? There is that nasty math thing again.
Now let's get back to your farm. You said that "The only thing we imported was electricity". That seems odd to me. Did you wear clothes on this farm? If so did you pick them from the levi's tree? You must have had a great orchard of trees that supplied you with shoes and shirts and socks huh?
Did your farm have a tractor? Did you plant a tractor seed and grow one? How much water and plowing did it take to grow your crop of tractors, tires, hoes and spades?
Did those tractors run on gas? Did you drill a gasoline well and fill your tractor up with it?
Let's not forget the TV bush and the VCR plants too!.
Man that must have been one hell of a farm. Or is that all make believe too?
"You don't have to say she's hot."
I didn't. I don't think she is hot. I think she looks like a 12 year old boy and I don't think 12 year old boys are hot. You keep saying she is hot so maybe you think 12 year old boys are hot.
"What's amusing is that I show you proof of my existence, my Lexus, and my girlfriend and you just make up stories. "
You showed me some pictures. Since you are obviously around 10 years old and are a retard I figured it must be a picture of your uncle. No adult would ever claim that 10KM square could support 17 million people or that a farm could exist importing only electricity.
"You also like to claim that she looks like she's 12."
No she looks like a 12 year old boy. If it's not your uncle then whoever is in that picture is a closeted pedophile. He pretends that she is a 12 year old boy when having sex with her.
"but under a theoretical maximum efficiency condition it would"
Uh oh the wand of maximum efficiency has now become the "theoretical wand of maximum efficiency". That explains everything. Of course the theoretical wand of maximum efficiency can make any mineral appear anywhere on the planet. Also of course any species of plant and animal can live anywhere on the planet.
With just the plain old wand of maximum efficiency it's not possible to break the laws of physics but with the all powerful wand of theoretical maximum efficiency the laws of physics need not get in the way.
"we're talking about Texas, remember? "
No we were talking about tokyo. You want to talk about Texas? What about Texas?
"That's funny that is all you can talk about. "Your really hot girlfriend looks 12!" Except she doesn't, but you can pretend."
I never said she was hot. I also never said she was your girlfriend. I said that she was your uncle's girlfriend and that your uncle was a closeted pedophile. I am not attracted to little boys nor am I attracted to girls who look like little boys.
Tell your uncle "no matter how much you pretend she is still not a 12 year old boy".
"It's funny to watch you try to take what I say and convolute it so that it looks like I am an idiot."
I just repeat what you say. If it looks idiotic it's not my fault.
"It is perfectly feasible to support 17M people within a 10KM square region."
No it's not. 10KM Square region (what happened to the ring?) can not produce enough oxygen to allow 17 million people to breathe let alone feed them, clothe them, supply them with all their materials and energy. No 10KM patch of earth contains all the things you need to sustain that many people. You are a supremely stupid person if you think that it can. Why don't you try and do some research on how many acres of land it takes to sustain one human being.
"Ya but they like to run it on commodity HARDWARE if possible."
Again sez who? Name me one fortune 500 company that does not have either big unix boxes or a mainframe or two. I bet even MS has a mainframe someplace.
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Where is this "contract of email"? I don't ever remember signing such a thing. How am I bullying anybody if I choose not to accept mail from them? The blacklist is a service for me.
Why should't I blacklist all open relays? If they are not spewing spam today they will as soon as they are discovered.
Finally. Why would anybody run an open relay? Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish by doing such a thing.
"If companies wanted proprietary, they'd buy Sun, not Apple."
I really don't understand where you get this notion that companies don't want proprietary stuff. 99% of all companies run MS software. 90% of all companies run either oracle, DB/2 or sql server.
What is really amazing to me is that for the first time in history Apple has an enterprise story to tell. A dual G5 machine for 3K is cheap compared to similarly configured 64 bit unix machines and it comes with the backing of a large company which can sell care packs to ease the minds of CIOs. You can buy a two terrabyte xserve raid with fiber channel for 10K try and shop for something like that on the compaq/hp site and see how much you'd have to pay. Apple also happens to be selling a real server operating system to go along with that hardware. One that is proven and easy to maintain. If you join the ADC then you also get 20% off on all that hardware and software to boot.
If apple can penetrate even 1% of the enterprise market with it's new lineup it will be a huge thing for them. They have never been able to get out of the graphic dept ghetto and now they have a real shot at getting into the server room. Just like your friends switched from linux desktops to macosx sysadmins could be replacing their aging intel based linux servers to Macs.
"Export from outside of Tokyo. You travel 10km outside of Tokyo, buy things from the farms, and bring them back. That was so good."
Oh I keep forgetting. 10KM outside of tokyo has everything tokyo needs.
"Maximum efficiency"
In the land of Xerithane there is a magical wand called "maximum Efficiency". This magical wand turns all women into 12 year old girls who are impressed by the size of...
OOps that is your Uncle's fantasy. Let's do yours.
In the land of Xerithane there is a magical wand called "maximum Efficiency". This magical wand enables a ring just 10Km across to supply all the needs of Tokyo.
For example let's say the people in Tokyo wanted to wear cotton clothing you just wave the wand the climate of tokyo is perfect for growing cotton. All the cotton you could ever want.
"AHA" I hear you saying "what about wood and paper?". No need to worry just wave the maximum efficiency wand the ring will be filled with towering ponderosa pine, enough the supply all the fiber needs of 17 million people.
What? Do I hear you ask about energy? No need to worry just wave the mamgic wand the ground under this ring will be filled with oil and gas.
You see in the land of xerithane there is no such thing as climate, there is no such thing as ecosystems, or geology. With the all powerful maximum efficiency wand you can produce infiniate amount of anything you need. Need some steel? just wave the wand all the minerals you need will magically appear under the ground, right where you need it. Need some water? Just wave the wand and huge rivers and lakes will appear right in front of your eyes!.
And that children is how a ring just 10K wide can supply all the needs of the 17 millions people living in Tokyo.
In the land of Xerithane all is possible with the magical "Maximum efficiency" wand. In the land of Xerithane there is never a need for Japan to import anything from anywhere. Every city has a 10Km ring around it to supply it with all the things they ever need.
" What kind of a judge could possibly issue that kind of a ruling? "
You know I have said the same thing about many past rulings. I think everybody here realizes by now that the American Justice systems is pretty much a crapshoot.
Although I think it's totally insane it would not surprise me if some judge pulls a Kaplan and holds all linux users liable.
I think the problem is that people are tired of paying for stuff and never owning it. Software manufacturers are adamant that you don't own the software you paid for. So why fork over serious money for something you are not allowed to own.
Music is fast becoming the same thing.
You can only squeeze people so much. The govt is already squeezing people if the corporations squeeze from the other end I suspect all hell will break loose. Hell people might even elect action figures for governor.
"You could export things if you travel 10kilo outside of Tokyo."
Huh? Export what? You can't export them from tokyo? why do you have to leave tokyo to export things? I swear talking to retards is like talking to a wall.
"If you knew the land area of Tokyo, with maximum efficiency a 10km ring (by 1km deep) would be enough to provide service to 17million."
Ah yes I keep forgetting that magical ring. It apparently has oil fields, vast forests of trees, lots of fresh water lakes and rivers, copper and iron mines just everything to sustain 17 million people.
Listen we have by now established that you are very stupid person who has these delusions about how many acres it takes to sustain a civiliation of 17 million people but today I want to talk to you about your uncle's pedophelia.
You see there are two kinds of pedophiles. Out ones and closeted ones. The pedophiles who are out prey on children. They fixate on a particular age group and then try to have sex with children of that age group. Usually they prey on relatives.
Your uncle is a closeted pedophile. These people will find themselves attracted to girls or boys who are of legal age but look as if they could be 12 or 13. This way they can pretend to be fucking young girls or boys while fucking an older one. You can think of it as a form of legal pedophelia. There is a huge porn industry that caters to these sick people where actors who are above 18 act and dress like young children and then have sex with older men.
Not being a pyscologist I can't tell you what makes these sickos tick but I imagine it has to do with a low self image. Maybe they feel like "real" women would laugh at them or intimidate them. They always seem to seek slight women so I imagine it makes them feel powerful.
Anyway the thing you should be careful of is that these people could one day act out their fantasies. One day they could decide that it's not good enough to fuck some girl that looks 12, they might crave the real thing.
Watch for signs. Does your uncle's girlfriend act young? does she refer to him in fatherly tones or words? Does he treat her like a precious little girl? It looks like your uncle is fixated on 12 year old girls but I would watch out if she got a real short haircut one day though. Don't think that you are safe just because you are not a girl.
OK we know that Xerithane is a stalker and a asshole but what else do we know about him?
To start with we know that he is a very ignorant person. How do we know this? Let's take a look at what he said.
I said: "Right now Tokyo is able to import all those things from places that are not densely populated."
He said: "You mean like 10 kilometers outside of Tokyo?"
This shows his profound ignorance what the 10 kilometers outside of tokyo looks like.
Normally Ignorance is not so bad. It's easy to cure. He could read a book about about tokyo or maybe even visit there or perhaps talk to somebody who has been there and his ignorance would dissapate. If Ignorance was all there is it would be no big deal.
Xerithane however is also profoundly stupid. Why? Let me explain.
Xerithane thinks that 10 million people can sustain themsleves on a such a miniscule allotment of land. He thinks that the 10 kilometer area surrounding Tokyo contains enough trees to meet all the wood and paper needs of the population of Tokyo. Not only that but the exact same area also contains enough mines to supply all the steel, copper, coal or ther minerals for tokyo. He is also under the impression that there are enough farms and ranches in that same area to feed 10 million people. The same area apparently contains enough oil fields to provide all the gasoline for tokyo. He must also feel that the same area contains enough manufacturing plants to make all the stuff that 10 million people use every day.
I could go on and on but you get the picture. This guy is dense enough to think that a city of 10 million people could be sustained by a 10 Km ring surrounding it.
That kind of stupidity is uncurable.
BTW nice picture of your uncle. It looks like he is into pedophelia though. Make sure you tell an adult if he ever touches you. Also if you know the parents or teachers of that young girl let them know too.
I am not a lawyer and I realize that the American legal system is pretty much a crapshoot but it seems to me that you could not mess with the GPL without gutting copyright laws heavily. I just don't see it.
BTW there are lots of private clubs in the US. They discriminate all kinds of bizarre ways. From the harvard club to the boy scouts. If you don't take govt funds you can pretty much discriminate all you want. I think there are still golf clubs that don't let women and blacks in. You might remember the big bruhaha during the masters about how the club still did not let women in.
"So, I take it, your answer to the original question is that a copyright holder can grant "free redistribution, but only to males", period. I'm not so sure..."
Absolutely they can. Why not? Look at MS for example. They say who gets to see their code and under what kinds of conditions. The people who get to see their code have to sign NDAs. They can't ever redistribute their code. They can't make modifications for their own use either. MS has full and absolute right to their code to do with as they will.
MS is not required to treat all people equally. For example they are not required to let you see the code just because they let the govt of China see it or they let some university see it. Same with Music. The record company may let one radio station play the music but deny another radio station the same right.
The copyright holder has final say, that's the law. Not just in the US but internationally because of the Berne Convention. It's really cut and dried on this one.
"Well, IBM are up against extravagant "we own all derived works" claims by SCO. So they will have to argue the meaning of "derived", and make it weak enough to at least obliterate SCO's claims. My hope is that the GPL's (vaguely similar) clauses don't lose teeth in the process."
No no no no no. They have to simply have to prove that SCO does not own derivate code. It does not matter you how you define derivative.
"but what if courts were to find those discriminatory, free-enterprise-unfriendly, or whatever?"
It does not matter. Copyright itself is discriminatory and free-enterprise unfriendly. Nobody allowed to copy or use any code that is copyrighted ever under any circumstances. If the GPL is invalid then the license is thrown away and the copyright owners get to be able sue anybody who uses or distributes GPLed code. In this regard they can discriminate all they want. Then can sue SCO and not IBM if they want. They own the code they get to do whatever they want with it.
First of all it really does not matter how you define "derivative". IBM simply has to prove that they themselves own the derivative work and not SCO. They don't have to redefine the word in order to do this. I am presuming that the legal team at IBM was not stupid enough to sign a contract which would turn over all work done by all IBM programers to SCO. It's a ridiculus proposition in and of itself.
The whole GPL thing is secondary. IN this case IBM is countersuing using the GPL. You must keep in mind that the vast majority of the code in the SCO distribution is not derivative. It's unadulterated GPLed code. No matter how you define derivative you are not going to all of a sudden own the code for grep or awk. If the GPL is invalid then SCO can be sued for copyright infringement and so can anybody else who distributes unadulterated code.
Finally let's say that you can define a derivative in such a way that it completely invalidates the GPL. What would prevent me from getting a hold of windows code somehow and them making a minor change and calling it my own?
"I have a hard time believing that, considering that all income tax rates were decreased, and the lower rates were decreased proportionally more than the higher ones. Yes, I'm sure the rich benefit more in absolute dollars, but that's because they make more money in the first place, being rich and all."
You know I always thought that the people who control 95% of the wealth should pay 95% of the taxes. To me it seems like a fair thing.
"What always gets left out is that we also want to lower taxes for the middle class, the poor, and whatever other groups you can name."
I think the median income is somewhere around 30K. I for one don't think that anybody below the median should be taxed at all.
"They could do without the silly "socialist" comments, but their main point-that government should not discriminate against or in favor of free software-is entirely reasonable."
Ridiculus statement. The govt should be forced to justify buying anything when a free alternative exists. The govt is prone to overspending, it's prone to wasting the taxpayers money. Every cent the govt spends should be vigorously contested and the govt must be able to fully justify buying software when it didn't have to.
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Maybe if your doomsday scenario comes true then congress will act swiftly to invalidate software patents.
Wouln't that be cool?
George Carlin used to have a joke which went something like this.
"Business people are evil. You know how you can tell? Put two of them across each other in a business deal and both of them will be convinced the other guy is out to screw them."
If the PHBs of the United States make a world to themselves where everybody is suing everybody all the time then they deserve what they get. While they are busy suing each the businesses in other countries will be kicking their asses all over the place.
You keep using words like "Hypothetical" and "Theoretical" but I don't think you know what they mean.
Hypothetical does not mean you can live in a 1KM square section of an 1/2KM square ranch. Theoretical does not mean tractors grow on trees or that you can drill on your farm and hit oil to feed that tractor.
Neither word means that 10KM square plot of land will supply all the needs of 17 million people.
You live in a make believe world. A world in which natural resources can magically appear just where they are needed simply by waving a wand.
"Funny that she's been a model, then?"
There are lots of 12 year old models. There are lots of older models who pass for 12. There are also lots of 12 years actors. Most people don't look at them as sexual objects though. If you show an average person a picture of a 12 year old they will think that the person is adorable or cute but only a small fraction will feel a sexual attraction to them.
Your Uncle (or whoever is in that picture) feels sexually attracted to 12 year olds. That's the big difference between that guy and the average person.
"A ranch. Ranch is different than a farm. "
Oh well that explains everything. Is this ranch mostly in the fourth dimension too?
" I also said, "Maximum efficiency." It is perfectly feasible, but not with todays technology (as I've already pointed out.)"
Ah there is that magic wand of maximum efficiency again. Of course if you had a magic wand a half a KM square plot of land would yield enough steel, copper, oil, trees, cotton, trees, granite, corn and anything else a family might need forever.
"There are two types of people who say things are impossible: Those who understand the problem and fucking idiots. You are a fucking idiot."
Mmmm well I know how to convert acres to square kilometers.
You on the other hand lived in a magical ranch which imported nothing except electricity.
Who is the idiot?
"you beat HanzoSan."
I know that slashdot means a lot to you, but you should not presume that everyone has the same obsession. For example I don't know who HanzoSan is nor do I care. Most people don't fixate on slashdot people and stalk them like you do.
"Even though you are now in first, someone may beat you in the future."
maybe one of your 300 slashdot friends can give me a prize or something. Maybe they will wait until you devestate me by putting an article about me on your journal. Surely once you have smitten me with your mighty journal entry weapon your horde of slashdot friends will come to lift you high on their shoulders and praise your name to the heavens!.
" I'll still respond and insult you, because you don't have to end it now."
I will respons until friday. Then I have to leave the country for a couple of weeks but I'll pick it up again after I come back. I am sure you will fixate on somebody else to stalk while I am gone. Don't worry though I promise I'll be back.
" In fact, I don't think you will because you like to argue hypothetical situations as literal arguments."
You keep using that word but I don't think you understand what it means.
"You see, this whole thing was a hypothetical statement and you are trying to argue as if it were literal"
.47 square kilometers. Don't let the weird looking number scare you that's about a half of a square kilometer.
.47 sq KM your "supporting areas where[sic] probably about 1 square kilo". (Maybe you should pay attention during english class too!) Anyway back to that nasty math again. How could this be? How do you get 1KM square plot out of an half a KM square ranch? Oh I know most of your ranch was in another dimension right? Or maybe you were waiving that wand of maximum efficiency again.
I am glad to see that you finally admit that your whole point was some sort of a make believe fantasy.
"Materials, what materials? Textiles can be made synthetic and recyclable, very simple solution. Food is also very simple."
What are synthetic materials made of do you know? While you are thinking about that why don't you take a stroll over to the polyester recylcing plant drop off your old clothes for recycling.
"That ranch was about 115 acres, most of which was commercial. Our supporting areas where probably about 1 square kilo, and it supported 13 people. The only thing we imported was electricity. When hydrogen fuel cells come into play, that wouldn't have been an issue either."
Oh man where to start. Jeez man you are one hell of a retarded imbecile you know that?
First of all you need to make sure you are paying attention in school especially in your math classes. Do you know how many square kilometers 115 acres is? Before your tiny brain explodes from thinking too much I'll tell you. 115 acres is about
So your ranch was half a square kilometer and as you say " most of which was commercial", but of that
Anyway let's pretend that your interdimentional plot of land was actually 1 sq KM OK?
According to your feeble brain 1KM square supported 13 people. So 10MK square should support 130 people right? Ooops what happened to 10 KM square supporting 17 million people? There is that nasty math thing again.
Now let's get back to your farm. You said that "The only thing we imported was electricity". That seems odd to me. Did you wear clothes on this farm? If so did you pick them from the levi's tree? You must have had a great orchard of trees that supplied you with shoes and shirts and socks huh?
Did your farm have a tractor? Did you plant a tractor seed and grow one? How much water and plowing did it take to grow your crop of tractors, tires, hoes and spades?
Did those tractors run on gas? Did you drill a gasoline well and fill your tractor up with it?
Let's not forget the TV bush and the VCR plants too!.
Man that must have been one hell of a farm. Or is that all make believe too?
"You don't have to say she's hot."
I didn't. I don't think she is hot. I think she looks like a 12 year old boy and I don't think 12 year old boys are hot. You keep saying she is hot so maybe you think 12 year old boys are hot.
"What's amusing is that I show you proof of my existence, my Lexus, and my girlfriend and you just make up stories. "
You showed me some pictures. Since you are obviously around 10 years old and are a retard I figured it must be a picture of your uncle. No adult would ever claim that 10KM square could support 17 million people or that a farm could exist importing only electricity.
"You also like to claim that she looks like she's 12."
No she looks like a 12 year old boy. If it's not your uncle then whoever is in that picture is a closeted pedophile. He pretends that she is a 12 year old boy when having sex with her.
"but under a theoretical maximum efficiency condition it would"
Uh oh the wand of maximum efficiency has now become the "theoretical wand of maximum efficiency". That explains everything. Of course the theoretical wand of maximum efficiency can make any mineral appear anywhere on the planet. Also of course any species of plant and animal can live anywhere on the planet.
With just the plain old wand of maximum efficiency it's not possible to break the laws of physics but with the all powerful wand of theoretical maximum efficiency the laws of physics need not get in the way.
"we're talking about Texas, remember? "
No we were talking about tokyo. You want to talk about Texas? What about Texas?
"That's funny that is all you can talk about. "Your really hot girlfriend looks 12!" Except she doesn't, but you can pretend."
I never said she was hot. I also never said she was your girlfriend. I said that she was your uncle's girlfriend and that your uncle was a closeted pedophile. I am not attracted to little boys nor am I attracted to girls who look like little boys.
Tell your uncle "no matter how much you pretend she is still not a 12 year old boy".
"It's funny to watch you try to take what I say and convolute it so that it looks like I am an idiot."
I just repeat what you say. If it looks idiotic it's not my fault.
"It is perfectly feasible to support 17M people within a 10KM square region."
No it's not. 10KM Square region (what happened to the ring?) can not produce enough oxygen to allow 17 million people to breathe let alone feed them, clothe them, supply them with all their materials and energy. No 10KM patch of earth contains all the things you need to sustain that many people. You are a supremely stupid person if you think that it can. Why don't you try and do some research on how many acres of land it takes to sustain one human being.
"Ya but they like to run it on commodity HARDWARE if possible."
Again sez who? Name me one fortune 500 company that does not have either big unix boxes or a mainframe or two. I bet even MS has a mainframe someplace.
Where is this "contract of email"? I don't ever remember signing such a thing. How am I bullying anybody if I choose not to accept mail from them? The blacklist is a service for me.
Why should't I blacklist all open relays? If they are not spewing spam today they will as soon as they are discovered.
Finally. Why would anybody run an open relay? Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish by doing such a thing.
"If companies wanted proprietary, they'd buy Sun, not Apple."
I really don't understand where you get this notion that companies don't want proprietary stuff. 99% of all companies run MS software. 90% of all companies run either oracle, DB/2 or sql server.
Companies thrive on proprietary stuff.
Since when is intel not proprietary?
It's called art. You should look into it. I hear it's popular amongst non geeks.
What is really amazing to me is that for the first time in history Apple has an enterprise story to tell. A dual G5 machine for 3K is cheap compared to similarly configured 64 bit unix machines and it comes with the backing of a large company which can sell care packs to ease the minds of CIOs. You can buy a two terrabyte xserve raid with fiber channel for 10K try and shop for something like that on the compaq/hp site and see how much you'd have to pay. Apple also happens to be selling a real server operating system to go along with that hardware. One that is proven and easy to maintain. If you join the ADC then you also get 20% off on all that hardware and software to boot.
If apple can penetrate even 1% of the enterprise market with it's new lineup it will be a huge thing for them. They have never been able to get out of the graphic dept ghetto and now they have a real shot at getting into the server room. Just like your friends switched from linux desktops to macosx sysadmins could be replacing their aging intel based linux servers to Macs.
Who would have guessed.
In the past US interestes have been able to to convince foreign countries to either adopt the US law or arrest people breaking US law.
"Export from outside of Tokyo. You travel 10km outside of Tokyo, buy things from the farms, and bring them back. That was so good."
Oh I keep forgetting. 10KM outside of tokyo has everything tokyo needs.
"Maximum efficiency"
In the land of Xerithane there is a magical wand called "maximum Efficiency". This magical wand turns all women into 12 year old girls who are impressed by the size of...
OOps that is your Uncle's fantasy. Let's do yours.
In the land of Xerithane there is a magical wand called "maximum Efficiency". This magical wand enables a ring just 10Km across to supply all the needs of Tokyo.
For example let's say the people in Tokyo wanted to wear cotton clothing you just wave the wand the climate of tokyo is perfect for growing cotton. All the cotton you could ever want.
"AHA" I hear you saying "what about wood and paper?". No need to worry just wave the maximum efficiency wand the ring will be filled with towering ponderosa pine, enough the supply all the fiber needs of 17 million people.
What? Do I hear you ask about energy? No need to worry just wave the mamgic wand the ground under this ring will be filled with oil and gas.
You see in the land of xerithane there is no such thing as climate, there is no such thing as ecosystems, or geology. With the all powerful maximum efficiency wand you can produce infiniate amount of anything you need. Need some steel? just wave the wand all the minerals you need will magically appear under the ground, right where you need it. Need some water? Just wave the wand and huge rivers and lakes will appear right in front of your eyes!.
And that children is how a ring just 10K wide can supply all the needs of the 17 millions people living in Tokyo.
In the land of Xerithane all is possible with the magical "Maximum efficiency" wand. In the land of Xerithane there is never a need for Japan to import anything from anywhere. Every city has a 10Km ring around it to supply it with all the things they ever need.
" What kind of a judge could possibly issue that kind of a ruling? "
You know I have said the same thing about many past rulings. I think everybody here realizes by now that the American Justice systems is pretty much a crapshoot.
Although I think it's totally insane it would not surprise me if some judge pulls a Kaplan and holds all linux users liable.
I think the problem is that people are tired of paying for stuff and never owning it. Software manufacturers are adamant that you don't own the software you paid for. So why fork over serious money for something you are not allowed to own.
Music is fast becoming the same thing.
You can only squeeze people so much. The govt is already squeezing people if the corporations squeeze from the other end I suspect all hell will break loose. Hell people might even elect action figures for governor.
"You could export things if you travel 10kilo outside of Tokyo."
Huh? Export what? You can't export them from tokyo? why do you have to leave tokyo to export things? I swear talking to retards is like talking to a wall.
"If you knew the land area of Tokyo, with maximum efficiency a 10km ring (by 1km deep) would be enough to provide service to 17million."
Ah yes I keep forgetting that magical ring. It apparently has oil fields, vast forests of trees, lots of fresh water lakes and rivers, copper and iron mines just everything to sustain 17 million people.
Listen we have by now established that you are very stupid person who has these delusions about how many acres it takes to sustain a civiliation of 17 million people but today I want to talk to you about your uncle's pedophelia.
You see there are two kinds of pedophiles. Out ones and closeted ones. The pedophiles who are out prey on children. They fixate on a particular age group and then try to have sex with children of that age group. Usually they prey on relatives.
Your uncle is a closeted pedophile. These people will find themselves attracted to girls or boys who are of legal age but look as if they could be 12 or 13. This way they can pretend to be fucking young girls or boys while fucking an older one. You can think of it as a form of legal pedophelia. There is a huge porn industry that caters to these sick people where actors who are above 18 act and dress like young children and then have sex with older men.
Not being a pyscologist I can't tell you what makes these sickos tick but I imagine it has to do with a low self image. Maybe they feel like "real" women would laugh at them or intimidate them. They always seem to seek slight women so I imagine it makes them feel powerful.
Anyway the thing you should be careful of is that these people could one day act out their fantasies. One day they could decide that it's not good enough to fuck some girl that looks 12, they might crave the real thing.
Watch for signs. Does your uncle's girlfriend act young? does she refer to him in fatherly tones or words? Does he treat her like a precious little girl? It looks like your uncle is fixated on 12 year old girls but I would watch out if she got a real short haircut one day though. Don't think that you are safe just because you are not a girl.
OK we know that Xerithane is a stalker and a asshole but what else do we know about him?
To start with we know that he is a very ignorant person. How do we know this? Let's take a look at what he said.
I said: "Right now Tokyo is able to import all those things from places that are not densely populated."
He said: "You mean like 10 kilometers outside of Tokyo?"
This shows his profound ignorance what the 10 kilometers outside of tokyo looks like.
Normally Ignorance is not so bad. It's easy to cure. He could read a book about about tokyo or maybe even visit there or perhaps talk to somebody who has been there and his ignorance would dissapate. If Ignorance was all there is it would be no big deal.
Xerithane however is also profoundly stupid. Why? Let me explain.
Xerithane thinks that 10 million people can sustain themsleves on a such a miniscule allotment of land. He thinks that the 10 kilometer area surrounding Tokyo contains enough trees to meet all the wood and paper needs of the population of Tokyo. Not only that but the exact same area also contains enough mines to supply all the steel, copper, coal or ther minerals for tokyo. He is also under the impression that there are enough farms and ranches in that same area to feed 10 million people. The same area apparently contains enough oil fields to provide all the gasoline for tokyo. He must also feel that the same area contains enough manufacturing plants to make all the stuff that 10 million people use every day.
I could go on and on but you get the picture. This guy is dense enough to think that a city of 10 million people could be sustained by a 10 Km ring surrounding it.
That kind of stupidity is uncurable.
BTW nice picture of your uncle. It looks like he is into pedophelia though. Make sure you tell an adult if he ever touches you. Also if you know the parents or teachers of that young girl let them know too.
"But I hope you're right in this case. "
I am not a lawyer and I realize that the American legal system is pretty much a crapshoot but it seems to me that you could not mess with the GPL without gutting copyright laws heavily. I just don't see it.
BTW there are lots of private clubs in the US. They discriminate all kinds of bizarre ways. From the harvard club to the boy scouts. If you don't take govt funds you can pretty much discriminate all you want. I think there are still golf clubs that don't let women and blacks in. You might remember the big bruhaha during the masters about how the club still did not let women in.
"So, I take it, your answer to the original question is that a copyright holder can grant "free redistribution, but only to males", period. I'm not so sure..."
Absolutely they can. Why not? Look at MS for example. They say who gets to see their code and under what kinds of conditions. The people who get to see their code have to sign NDAs. They can't ever redistribute their code. They can't make modifications for their own use either. MS has full and absolute right to their code to do with as they will.
MS is not required to treat all people equally. For example they are not required to let you see the code just because they let the govt of China see it or they let some university see it. Same with Music. The record company may let one radio station play the music but deny another radio station the same right.
The copyright holder has final say, that's the law. Not just in the US but internationally because of the Berne Convention. It's really cut and dried on this one.
"Well, IBM are up against extravagant "we own all derived works" claims by SCO. So they will have to argue the meaning of "derived", and make it weak enough to at least obliterate SCO's claims. My hope is that the GPL's (vaguely similar) clauses don't lose teeth in the process."
No no no no no. They have to simply have to prove that SCO does not own derivate code. It does not matter you how you define derivative.
"but what if courts were to find those discriminatory, free-enterprise-unfriendly, or whatever?"
It does not matter. Copyright itself is discriminatory and free-enterprise unfriendly. Nobody allowed to copy or use any code that is copyrighted ever under any circumstances. If the GPL is invalid then the license is thrown away and the copyright owners get to be able sue anybody who uses or distributes GPLed code. In this regard they can discriminate all they want. Then can sue SCO and not IBM if they want. They own the code they get to do whatever they want with it.
It looks like you did not finish your sentence...
I think your analysis is missing two things.
First of all it really does not matter how you define "derivative". IBM simply has to prove that they themselves own the derivative work and not SCO. They don't have to redefine the word in order to do this. I am presuming that the legal team at IBM was not stupid enough to sign a contract which would turn over all work done by all IBM programers to SCO. It's a ridiculus proposition in and of itself.
The whole GPL thing is secondary. IN this case IBM is countersuing using the GPL. You must keep in mind that the vast majority of the code in the SCO distribution is not derivative. It's unadulterated GPLed code. No matter how you define derivative you are not going to all of a sudden own the code for grep or awk. If the GPL is invalid then SCO can be sued for copyright infringement and so can anybody else who distributes unadulterated code.
Finally let's say that you can define a derivative in such a way that it completely invalidates the GPL. What would prevent me from getting a hold of windows code somehow and them making a minor change and calling it my own?
"I have a hard time believing that, considering that all income tax rates were decreased, and the lower rates were decreased proportionally more than the higher ones. Yes, I'm sure the rich benefit more in absolute dollars, but that's because they make more money in the first place, being rich and all."
You know I always thought that the people who control 95% of the wealth should pay 95% of the taxes. To me it seems like a fair thing.
"What always gets left out is that we also want to lower taxes for the middle class, the poor, and whatever other groups you can name."
I think the median income is somewhere around 30K. I for one don't think that anybody below the median should be taxed at all.
"They could do without the silly "socialist" comments, but their main point-that government should not discriminate against or in favor of free software-is entirely reasonable."
Ridiculus statement. The govt should be forced to justify buying anything when a free alternative exists. The govt is prone to overspending, it's prone to wasting the taxpayers money. Every cent the govt spends should be vigorously contested and the govt must be able to fully justify buying software when it didn't have to.
Why don't you just turn on the pre-loading? If you do that it loads almost instantly.