In a very real sense there is global anarchy right now. You can think of nations as individuals, international law as some sort of a legal system, and the UN as some sort of aminimalist govt. Right now international law does not mean anything. The strong countries and invade and occupy weaker ones despite the law or the wishes of the govt. Why? Because a law that is not enforcable is not really a law.
In an anarchist society the exact same thing would happen.
"BSD license applies to the occupied territories in Israel. You're really stretching here, aren't you?"
I was not commenting on the license just your vision of what an anachist society would look like.
"If you buy software from, say, Microsoft or Intuit, there is a company who is saying "Buy this software because we guarantee it will work."
Really? Have you ever read a EULA? Please provide one link to any software that either MS or Intuit makes where they claim to guarantee that it will work.
" but all can be sued if something bad happens."
Yes. Try to sue MS and see where that gets you. You will spend every dime you have while they grind you and your company into dust.
"Funny. I don't own a single yacht never mind 10 million, and I am a CEO"
I could tell that you were a CEO when you said that software from MS came with guarantees and when you stated that you could sue MS and hope to win. Most CEOs are pretty stupid like that.
The problem with you is that you are a CEO of a rinky dink company. Nobody really cares about CEOs of rinky dink companies like that. I too could form a company and call myself the CEO. All it takes is a few bucks to register a corporation.
"And if the guy working for me screws up I do his job or I get in trouble-- because I can't say, oops, sorry, my subordinate screwed up. So we face intense pressure, risk, and work hard. Why shouldn't we be compensated?"
No you are free and clear. The corporate shield makes sure of that. The corporation is an excellant tool for shirking personal responsibility.
BTW your employees also work hard and face intense pressure why shouldn't they be compensated like you too?
Why would they get fired if they sing the praises of MS 24X7? They are like the angels in the bible who sit around the lord and sing "holy holy holy" for eternity. Except that they are sitting aound MS singing "holy holy holy" for eternity.
"Under a genuine anarchist society, the murderers, slavers and rapists would have a constraint, and that constraint is that the public won't tolerate it. They'll shoot back! I'm serious. Even in today's statist society, if someone murdered my mom, I would hunt them down and kill them. The job of the police in this situation is to protect the murderer from me!"
You are presuming that both parties have equal weaponry. Under anarchy the weak would be quickly enslaved by the powerful. They might struggle some and maybe even occationally cause some damage but overall they would be servile to the powerful and destitute. In fact it would be kind of like what is happening in the occupied terratories in Israel. The rich and powerful israeli army is able to occupy more then 3 million people in abject poverty. Sure occationally a few israelis die but they are able not only kill many more palestenians but are also able to subjugate hundreds of thousands to curfews and house arrest.
If your mom died it would be because a tank shelled her house. Your firing back with a pistol would accomlish nothing except getting yourself killed when the soldiers open up on you with autmatic weapons.
You are locked in. You have no choice but to use MS products and upgrade when they tell you to.
I think that maybe other companies will look at your situation and decide that they don't want to be where you are. Keep posting on slashdot about the awful situation you find yourself in. It's too late for you but other people can learn from your mistakes.
Thank you for providing such powerful testimony to the evils of being locked in by one vendor.
Do you have kids? If so pull them together and tell them that crime pays big time. Tell them ethics, morals and laws don't matter as long as you can make more money. Tell them that the great thing about America is that the rich are not bound by the same laws as the rest of us.
These are valuable lessons to teach your kids. Without a healthy disregard for morals or ethics or law your kids will never be another Bill Gates.
Get off it wilya. Go to gotdotnet.com to get your fill of linux bashing. Better yet go there and bitch and moan about how MS trolls are unfairly spreading FUD against Linux or Java. At least slashdot does not censor posts like gotdotnet does.
"If anybody knows of a "News for Nerds" type site that doesn't have a corporate-owned agenda (*cough* Slashdot), could someone direct me to it?"
It's a big internet. There are lots of sites out there. Don't tell me you can't find one to your liking. Have you tried serverside? How about k5? Yes that's the ticket go to K5 get bored to death. Just look for five minutes and I am sure you will find something. When you do please don't come back here. You are needlessly aggravating yourself. You hate it here so don't come back. Go someplace nicer. This place sucks, It's full of idiotic trolls who sprout nonsense all day long. By posting here you are smearing yourself with their stink. If you continue to post here people might mistake you for a stupid childish troll. Go away before you do yourself all kinds of harm.
"Is Slashdot pro-Linux or anti-Microsoft?"
Both! Neither!. It's the chaotic chatter of thousands of people. You are one of them and so am I. Why is that so hard to understand?
BTW you were modded up to +4. There were lots of pro MS posts modded up too. There is no better way to karma whore on slashdot then to defend MS or bash slashdot. It worked for you and it can work for anybody. If your karma sucks write about how stable XP is or how much you hate that people put a dollar sign in M$.
"If they owned SUSE, what most likely would they do with it?"
Fuck it up that's what. This company used to own unix remember that? They could not see the value in owning unix so they sold it!. They are a bunch of clueless idiots.
I remember seeing a novell product roadmap that Ray Noorda put out just after buying wordperfect. It showed how they were going to turn the office product into a NLM and run it from the server. Then they were going to merge novell and unix together to get a top notch server OS.
What happened? Noorda got kicked out, they sold word perfect at a loss, they sold unix to SCO and now they have jack shit to sell to anybody. All they have left is NDS and they don't know what to do with it.
They should just open source NDS and release it GPL as a last gesture of fuck you to MS and go find a peaceful place to die.
"Would you like it if they always had regard for the minority? "
They do have regard for the minority. The minority of the people are wealthy and the politicians have high regard for them. The majority of the people get ignored.
"My salary + overheads are a third of what it costs to put an American behind a desk to do the same job."
The NZ dollar is about 60% of the US dollar and I can't imagine that the overhead in Auckland or Wellington is that much less then any large city in the US so how do you figure 1/3rd?
BTW I would cut off my left arm if I could immigrate to NZ and work for 60% of what I am getting now. It's almost impossible to get NZ citizenship if you are older and don't have a degree though.
" Governemnt interference with the market is bad. Huge subsidies that distort thetrade in agricultural products is bad, and it is killing Africa (literally)."
Lets presume for one second that you are right. Bad for who? Does anybody in America really care that africans are dying? Maybe a few do but most don't give a shit. So if the US govt can make life better for the US citizens shouldn't it do it even if it means that Africans die? Who is the American govt working for anyway us or the africans. We kill iraqis to prevent american deaths why shouldn't we kill africans to make americans better off.
"If you want action from the government, demand that they stop supporting 19th century industries and that they demand open trade with other countries. "
It will never happen. Demand that farm subsidies stop and you will be hanged in the midwest. Demand that logging and mining subsidies stop and you will be hanged in the west. You know what the ultimate irony is? The only people that can demand an end to subsidies and still win elections are the democrats. Nobody in the west or midwest votes for them anyway. A republican on the other hand could never win on a platform of ending farm subsidies.
"Protectionism is proprietary; free trade is free."
There is no such thing as free trade. There has never been such a thing and there will never be such a thing. If three thousand years of human advancement has never once produced free trade then it's probably against human nature and will never come to fruition.
"Lastly, it's not like Roblimo is a known satirist."
Maybe not be he is a well known linux advocate.
In any case it's no different then all the anti linux FUD that spews out of Microsoft or SCO. In fact it's probably quite a bit more civilized. At least he is not calling anybody communists or cancer or anything.
Somebody sent me word doc one time that looked like shit. I told him that it looked like shit but he didn't believe me. I sent him a screenshot and we found out why. He was using some fonts that were not on my system and word just picked up whatever font was handy in it's place.
BTW linux does not natively support IE or Word but I think they run under wine so you might be able to have that great word experience if you want by installing wine.
Here friends is a windows user telling a linux user to RTFM. Actually in this case since there is no FM he is asking the user to RTFG (read the freaking google).
Reno won the case. Ashcroft took splitting MS off the table soon after he took office. Once the big stick was off the table MS pretty much shoved ashcrofts face in Bill Gates crotch and made him suckle like a lamb.
"We're talking about sustaining life, not creating new structures and devices. Purely supporting. For life support, we didn't need any oil for tractors, nor did we need anything for our daily needs. All of that was taken care of with a little thing called "elbow grease." You are arguing two different things."
Did you have a car or a truck? Where did you get the gasoline? Did you need that gasoline to sustain life? Did you ever eat a banana? Where did you get that? Did you wear a coat or shoes? Where did you get them?
Was your elbow grease enough to fuel your car and heat your house? Did your elbow grease provide for every single morsel of food you ate and every drop of water you drank?
Of course not. No adult would say something so preposterous.
"Oh, then I guess it's ironic that she was a model for adult braces. "
LOL. A twelve year old looking girl with braces. If that's not a pedophiles wet dream I don't know what is.
"Yes, Slashdot means a lot while I'm at work."
I am glad you finally admit that slashdot means a lot to you. You have to admit these things to yourself before you can make any progress.
Speaking of progress you must belong to a union or something. Sitting around all day at work reading slashdot. If I caught any of my employees farting around like that I'd fire them.
"They'll just chuckle at you. It's entertainment, just to see how stupid you prove yourself to be."
Really? Even though I know math and you dont? even though I never lived in a one kilometer square section of a half a kilometer square ranch? Even though I don't think a 10 KM square plot of land can support 17 million people? Even though I don't claim to have lived in a rach which only imported electricity? Even though I don't claim that tractors run on elbow grease?
That is the status quo now. In the not too distant future the threat of a countersuit is not going to carry as much weight so an actual lawsuits will have to be filed.
This situation is most likely to arise when a small company is suing a large one. A threat of a countersuit against a small company is not likely to be effective if the small company has little to lose and much to gain.
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"Israel was not an anarchy, but a government."
In a very real sense there is global anarchy right now. You can think of nations as individuals, international law as some sort of a legal system, and the UN as some sort of aminimalist govt.
Right now international law does not mean anything. The strong countries and invade and occupy weaker ones despite the law or the wishes of the govt. Why? Because a law that is not enforcable is not really a law.
In an anarchist society the exact same thing would happen.
"BSD license applies to the occupied territories in Israel. You're really stretching here, aren't you?"
I was not commenting on the license just your vision of what an anachist society would look like.
"If you buy software from, say, Microsoft or Intuit, there is a company who is saying "Buy this software because we guarantee it will work."
Really? Have you ever read a EULA? Please provide one link to any software that either MS or Intuit makes where they claim to guarantee that it will work.
" but all can be sued if something bad happens."
Yes. Try to sue MS and see where that gets you. You will spend every dime you have while they grind you and your company into dust.
"Funny. I don't own a single yacht never mind 10 million, and I am a CEO"
I could tell that you were a CEO when you said that software from MS came with guarantees and when you stated that you could sue MS and hope to win. Most CEOs are pretty stupid like that.
The problem with you is that you are a CEO of a rinky dink company. Nobody really cares about CEOs of rinky dink companies like that. I too could form a company and call myself the CEO. All it takes is a few bucks to register a corporation.
"And if the guy working for me screws up I do his job or I get in trouble-- because I can't say, oops, sorry, my subordinate screwed up. So we face intense pressure, risk, and work hard. Why shouldn't we be compensated?"
No you are free and clear. The corporate shield makes sure of that. The corporation is an excellant tool for shirking personal responsibility.
BTW your employees also work hard and face intense pressure why shouldn't they be compensated like you too?
Cos he worked for a company with 40 billion dollars in the bank who fired him for taking pictures of a building from the outside.
People who don't work for MS should go take the same picture of the same dock and post it on the web.
What kind of a moronic company thinks that pictures of their building taken from the outside are a security risk?
Microsoft campus is not private.
"as long as they don't get themselves fired :-)"
Why would they get fired if they sing the praises of MS 24X7? They are like the angels in the bible who sit around the lord and sing "holy holy holy" for eternity. Except that they are sitting aound MS singing "holy holy holy" for eternity.
"Quite simply, the guy violated his employment contract, and they sacked him."
Just goes to show what a crappy company MS is to work for. Being fired for taking pictures is fucked.
"Under a genuine anarchist society, the murderers, slavers and rapists would have a constraint, and that constraint is that the public won't tolerate it. They'll shoot back! I'm serious. Even in today's statist society, if someone murdered my mom, I would hunt them down and kill them. The job of the police in this situation is to protect the murderer from me!"
You are presuming that both parties have equal weaponry. Under anarchy the weak would be quickly enslaved by the powerful. They might struggle some and maybe even occationally cause some damage but overall they would be servile to the powerful and destitute. In fact it would be kind of like what is happening in the occupied terratories in Israel. The rich and powerful israeli army is able to occupy more then 3 million people in abject poverty. Sure occationally a few israelis die but they are able not only kill many more palestenians but are also able to subjugate hundreds of thousands to curfews and house arrest.
If your mom died it would be because a tank shelled her house. Your firing back with a pistol would accomlish nothing except getting yourself killed when the soldiers open up on you with autmatic weapons.
"Most CEOs won't like hearing that their books are being balanced in software not guaranteed to work."
What software is guaranteed to work?
BTW. Most CEOs are too busy throwing parties on their 10 million yatchs to worry about software.
You are locked in. You have no choice but to use MS products and upgrade when they tell you to.
I think that maybe other companies will look at your situation and decide that they don't want to be where you are. Keep posting on slashdot about the awful situation you find yourself in. It's too late for you but other people can learn from your mistakes.
Thank you for providing such powerful testimony to the evils of being locked in by one vendor.
Do you have kids? If so pull them together and tell them that crime pays big time. Tell them ethics, morals and laws don't matter as long as you can make more money. Tell them that the great thing about America is that the rich are not bound by the same laws as the rest of us.
These are valuable lessons to teach your kids. Without a healthy disregard for morals or ethics or law your kids will never be another Bill Gates.
Get off it wilya. Go to gotdotnet.com to get your fill of linux bashing. Better yet go there and bitch and moan about how MS trolls are unfairly spreading FUD against Linux or Java. At least slashdot does not censor posts like gotdotnet does.
"If anybody knows of a "News for Nerds" type site that doesn't have a corporate-owned agenda (*cough* Slashdot), could someone direct me to it?"
It's a big internet. There are lots of sites out there. Don't tell me you can't find one to your liking. Have you tried serverside? How about k5? Yes that's the ticket go to K5 get bored to death. Just look for five minutes and I am sure you will find something. When you do please don't come back here. You are needlessly aggravating yourself. You hate it here so don't come back. Go someplace nicer. This place sucks, It's full of idiotic trolls who sprout nonsense all day long. By posting here you are smearing yourself with their stink. If you continue to post here people might mistake you for a stupid childish troll. Go away before you do yourself all kinds of harm.
"Is Slashdot pro-Linux or anti-Microsoft?"
Both! Neither!. It's the chaotic chatter of thousands of people. You are one of them and so am I. Why is that so hard to understand?
BTW you were modded up to +4. There were lots of pro MS posts modded up too. There is no better way to karma whore on slashdot then to defend MS or bash slashdot. It worked for you and it can work for anybody. If your karma sucks write about how stable XP is or how much you hate that people put a dollar sign in M$.
When will peoples facination with Bill Clinton's cock ever end? Judging from your moderation not anytime soon.
"You don't add/remove/modify files with sizes from 512 bytes to 1Gbytes in a database like you do in a filesystem"
Why not? Postgres already supports this with TOAST.
"If they owned SUSE, what most likely would they do with it?"
Fuck it up that's what. This company used to own unix remember that? They could not see the value in owning unix so they sold it!. They are a bunch of clueless idiots.
I remember seeing a novell product roadmap that Ray Noorda put out just after buying wordperfect. It showed how they were going to turn the office product into a NLM and run it from the server. Then they were going to merge novell and unix together to get a top notch server OS.
What happened? Noorda got kicked out, they sold word perfect at a loss, they sold unix to SCO and now they have jack shit to sell to anybody. All they have left is NDS and they don't know what to do with it.
They should just open source NDS and release it GPL as a last gesture of fuck you to MS and go find a peaceful place to die.
"Would you like it if they always had regard for the minority? "
They do have regard for the minority. The minority of the people are wealthy and the politicians have high regard for them. The majority of the people get ignored.
"My salary + overheads are a third of what it costs to put an American behind a desk to do the same job."
The NZ dollar is about 60% of the US dollar and I can't imagine that the overhead in Auckland or Wellington is that much less then any large city in the US so how do you figure 1/3rd?
BTW I would cut off my left arm if I could immigrate to NZ and work for 60% of what I am getting now. It's almost impossible to get NZ citizenship if you are older and don't have a degree though.
" Governemnt interference with the market is bad. Huge subsidies that distort thetrade in agricultural products is bad, and it is killing Africa (literally)."
Lets presume for one second that you are right. Bad for who? Does anybody in America really care that africans are dying? Maybe a few do but most don't give a shit. So if the US govt can make life better for the US citizens shouldn't it do it even if it means that Africans die? Who is the American govt working for anyway us or the africans. We kill iraqis to prevent american deaths why shouldn't we kill africans to make americans better off.
"If you want action from the government, demand that they stop supporting 19th century industries and that they demand open trade with other countries. "
It will never happen. Demand that farm subsidies stop and you will be hanged in the midwest. Demand that logging and mining subsidies stop and you will be hanged in the west. You know what the ultimate irony is? The only people that can demand an end to subsidies and still win elections are the democrats. Nobody in the west or midwest votes for them anyway. A republican on the other hand could never win on a platform of ending farm subsidies.
"Protectionism is proprietary; free trade is free."
There is no such thing as free trade. There has never been such a thing and there will never be such a thing. If three thousand years of human advancement has never once produced free trade then it's probably against human nature and will never come to fruition.
"Lastly, it's not like Roblimo is a known satirist."
Maybe not be he is a well known linux advocate.
In any case it's no different then all the anti linux FUD that spews out of Microsoft or SCO. In fact it's probably quite a bit more civilized. At least he is not calling anybody communists or cancer or anything.
Somebody sent me word doc one time that looked like shit. I told him that it looked like shit but he didn't believe me. I sent him a screenshot and we found out why. He was using some fonts that were not on my system and word just picked up whatever font was handy in it's place.
BTW linux does not natively support IE or Word but I think they run under wine so you might be able to have that great word experience if you want by installing wine.
Here friends is a windows user telling a linux user to RTFM. Actually in this case since there is no FM he is asking the user to RTFG (read the freaking google).
Oh BTW the article was a joke...
I didn't know you could use visual studio to write java apps. Is that true or is it some broken flavor of java like java.net or something?
Also why wouln't eclipse fulfill your demands?
Reno won the case. Ashcroft took splitting MS off the table soon after he took office. Once the big stick was off the table MS pretty much shoved ashcrofts face in Bill Gates crotch and made him suckle like a lamb.
"We're talking about sustaining life, not creating new structures and devices. Purely supporting. For life support, we didn't need any oil for tractors, nor did we need anything for our daily needs. All of that was taken care of with a little thing called "elbow grease." You are arguing two different things."
Did you have a car or a truck? Where did you get the gasoline? Did you need that gasoline to sustain life? Did you ever eat a banana? Where did you get that? Did you wear a coat or shoes? Where did you get them?
Was your elbow grease enough to fuel your car and heat your house? Did your elbow grease provide for every single morsel of food you ate and every drop of water you drank?
Of course not. No adult would say something so preposterous.
"Oh, then I guess it's ironic that she was a model for adult braces. "
LOL. A twelve year old looking girl with braces. If that's not a pedophiles wet dream I don't know what is.
"Yes, Slashdot means a lot while I'm at work."
I am glad you finally admit that slashdot means a lot to you. You have to admit these things to yourself before you can make any progress.
Speaking of progress you must belong to a union or something. Sitting around all day at work reading slashdot. If I caught any of my employees farting around like that I'd fire them.
"They'll just chuckle at you. It's entertainment, just to see how stupid you prove yourself to be."
Really? Even though I know math and you dont? even though I never lived in a one kilometer square section of a half a kilometer square ranch? Even though I don't think a 10 KM square plot of land can support 17 million people? Even though I don't claim to have lived in a rach which only imported electricity? Even though I don't claim that tractors run on elbow grease?
That is the status quo now. In the not too distant future the threat of a countersuit is not going to carry as much weight so an actual lawsuits will have to be filed.
This situation is most likely to arise when a small company is suing a large one. A threat of a countersuit against a small company is not likely to be effective if the small company has little to lose and much to gain.
Huh what kind of a strange form of government is this. Whoever heard of a govt telling a software company what to do.