"You seem to have little understanding of how war works. If someone is in a bunker shooting at you, that is plenty of evidence that they are combatting you. If they don't have the proper markings designating them as soldiers, they are illegal combatants. This is due process for war."
There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.
1) Why make a distinction at all? Why not treat all combatants are POWs and give them their full human rights under the geneva convention? It would seem to be the decent and moral thing to do. You call yourself a christian, how can you justify classifying people as something less then a POW so that you can deny them basic human rights guaranteed under the geneva convention?
2) "Illegal combatant" is not a term recognized by any international body or treaty. It's a term made up by the US so that it can deny people basic human rights.
3) Have you thought that maybe the people without uniforms could not afford them? You are attacking and invading a very poor country. Not everybody can afford to outfit their soldiers like the US. You can not deny people basic human rights just because they are not wearing uniforms.
How can you call yourself a christian and at the same time accept this bogus and illegal classification that was created just to circumvent the Geneva treaty.
"Good thing is it not?"
Amazing. These people were let go because they were innocent. I think we can both agree that the US military would not let guilty people go right?
Ok now the flipside. COmpletely innocent people were abducted and shipped off to cuba. There they lived for more then two years in small chain link cages with no roofs or walls. They were tortured and forcefully injected with chemicals of unkown types.
As a christian this should deeply offend you.
"I don't have to have been with the soldiers draggin them out of bunkers to verify for myself that it is where they came from."
You have no evidence. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. You don't know who they are, where they came from, why they are there, what crimes they are accused of, if they are adults or children and especially you don't know if they are guilty or innocent. They haven't been charged, no judge heard anything, they have no lawyers, nothing.
You have absolute faith in the infallibility of your your president and the army. What is amazing to me is that you hold this faith despite the fact they admitted that they captured innocent people (and let them go two years later).
Where do you get such faith? In the face of no evidence whatsoever how can you justify 100% confidence like that?
"Maybe, but more from what you've told me than what Bush would. Your rhetoric is just way to violent and whacked."
I know the truth is hard to bear.
"This post amounts to be where you should have started this. Here you more cloaked your problematic facts (the ones that seem to have been easily discredited) and offered more Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt as a persuasive tool. While it may not have worked better, it would have bought you more time before being completely discredited."
Huh? I am afraid I can't really parse this sentense.
BTW the fact that you are now a coward and are not even willing to sign a pseudonym to your posts is most telling.
" Linux could disappear from the market as a viable OS, with support by companies like RedHat, and developed further by an enthusiastic community"
I don't know where they would get this idea. In the worst case they pay a licensing fee to SCO and SCO supports them. It would not disappear it would just be SCO property.
"Users of Linux are being sued. The Microsoft case was purely against Microsoft. The SCO case is against any Linux user or distributor they set their sights on."
I highly doubt that anybody actually believes that. Again they just pay a license fee and it's over.
"But corporations might see it differently and decide to go with a less legal troublesome technology."
Some might but most won't. If your competitor is getting it's operating systems for free and you are paying through the nose then they will kick your ass. Any manager who is so bad at risk assesment that they would give up competitive advantage on the.005% chance that they may get sued is proably making all kinds of irrational decisions. They are probably destroying their company no matter what operating system they choose.
I don't doubt that there are inept managers out there. My point is that those companies are already on their deathbed or are dying. Successful companies have people on board who understand risk management.
Microsoft got sued by the govt and that didn't stop anybody. Microsoft got sued by lots of companies, some they won, most they settled, some they lost. They just recently lost a whopper patent infringement case and yet nobody is dumping them because of it.
It makes no sense to roll over and die when somebody attacks you. You have to fight back.
You switched to anonymous mode. Cowardice is not flattering to you. It makes your arguments meaningless. Decloak and post under your real name and maybe I'll pick this up again.
BTW you have no idea if any of the people in guantanamo bay are al-quada. They haven't been charged, no evidence had been provided, some of them have been let go (why is the US letting al quada go?). All you have is the president's word and your blind willingness to follow him just on his word alone. If he said I was al-quada you'd believe him too.
The president is like SCO. "this man is al-qada, I won't give you any proof but he is. He will now be locked in a concentration camp till he dies where we will torture him and conduct medical experiments on him. Trust me you don't need to see evidence he is a bad man"
"and not even the Talibal are being "detained" without due rights and privedges. "
Again go read the article you posted. There are over 600 people locked up in gitmo with no rights. That's just gitmo!. There are people also locked up concentration camps in afghanistan and quatar but nobody knows how many. I am sorry that this bit of factual information is not sinking into your brain but it's true.
"You said I claimed not to know who David Horowitz is."
You are confused about which david horowitz. You keep referring to the consumer advocate. Jeez o man!.
"I'm comparing your trumped up paranoid rhetoric to the rhetoric Hitler, Charles Taylor, Franco, and Lennin. "
OK time for another diagram for you.
You say.
Malcontent rhetoric = hitler rhetoric.
You have also said (many times)
Malcontent rhetoric = Ann Coulter rhetoric OR David Horowitz Rhetoric.
Therefore
Ann Coulter or David Horowitz rhetoric = Hitler rhetoric.
Oooops! But wait a minute I am evil but They are just fine. You have no objections to their rhetoric. How can this be!
"They all rose to power by trumping up a fear of the government with subtle preparing of their audience to "jail", "hammer", and otherwise oppress those they trumped up accusations of oppression over."
Bingo!! Now you get it!!. Congratulations!. Read the above sentence like 50 times till it really sinks in. Now I know you are going to miss it but what the hell I'll repeat it again. Keep in mind that you are in 100% agreement with me here.
Before you go rounding up people into concentration camps you need to wage a war of Rhetoric. Hitler did it with gypsies, homosexuals, jews and the mentally retarded. Ann Coulter and David Horowitz are doing it with homosexuals, dark skinned people, muslims and liberals.
You are absolutely 100% right. Before you jail people you wage a war of rhetoric. Since I am dark skinned I am on the target list. I also know many muslims and homosexuals so many of my friends are on the list. The republicans are preparing the populace for rounding up the undesirables by waging a war of rhetoric. According to rebpublicans we are "traitors" and we "hate america" and we are "mentally ill". This is exact same prep work Hitler did before he started rounding people up.
The time to defend ourselves is now when the war is one of rhetoric. When they come to round us up it will be too late.
"Another trumped up charge of ignorance. Your a one note piano here."
The irony is thick huh? Perhaps you should have written "you're a one note piano here"
"Malcontent: Fist of all nobody in Guantanamo bay is granted POW status.
Chicago Tribune: U.S. grants POW status to Taliban, not Al Qaeda"
Ok once more from the top. Go and read the article. Go back and read my post. Do you see where I say that nobody in guantanamo bay is granted POW status? Do you see where the article says nobody in guantanamo is granted POW status? The article you pointed to proves my point. Really it does. Go back and read it.
"What about that quote makes you think I don't know who David Horowitz is? "
Gee let me think. Maybe it's because you were providing a URL to a completely different person? Ya think that might be it? That and you actually professing that you have never heard of Sean Hannidy plus the fact that you have never read anything by ann coulter nor had you ever heard or seen her on TV. Ya think that might be it? I wonder what would give me that Idea?
"The self defence of making the government tremble at your words while you put them in jail is most definately revolution my friend. Lie to us if you must, but this take head and do to thine own self be true!"
Gee I would reply to this but I really don't understand it. The govt tremble? Where did that come from? To thine own self be true? Mmmmm OK I guess.
"And you have said you wish to detain them and be the hammer."
You should learn to read. Go back and re-read my post. You see words and sentences have context. Do you know what context means? For example when a person says given a choice between being in prison and putting people in prison I choose the latter they don't mean that they want to put people in prison. You see that now? Look up context in the dictionary. While you are at it you might want to try and understand why speaking and expressing an opinion is not the same as killing 6 million jews. Your adolescent attempt to constantly compare me to Hitler is getting tiresome. In order to clarify the situation for you I have made the following simple to understand diagram.
Hitler = Kill 6 million jews Malcontent = Post On Slashdot
I hope that clears it up for you.
"What makes me feel better is that when you disagree and we investigate your claims, you wind up messing up facts right and left."
It seems confusing to you because you don't know how to read. Go back and read the links I posted, go back and read the links YOU posted.
Shocking absolutely shocking. Did you even read the URL you posted? did you? Apparently not because here is the second sentence from the url you posted. "At the same time, the administration said no detainees at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, would be considered prisoners of war, an official designation granted by the 1949 Geneva Convention."
Unbelievable.
"Wrong, Look at where they went to. Very Muslim sympathetic countries. The only evidence that they were put there to be tortured are brought about by anonymous hearsay. Sorry bub."
Once again read the URLs I posted to. You really need to read these things before replying to them.
"Wrong. And if I'm not wrong, go ahead and show me where I said it. The problem about lying is that you will get caught, especially when you try to lie about what another person says. And so far your not doing a very credible job at all."
Sigh. You know you are going to get caught up in your own lies yet you insist anyway. Please refer to Your own post here is the relavant excerpt. but how about David Horowitz[?]
The host of Fight Back! [fightback.com]? He's right up there with Ralph Nader as my favorite anti-corporate watchdog.
OK?
"Wrong, I bring up Hitler to provide context for your mistaken call for revolution. "
I am not calling for a revolution. I am practising self defence. How many times do I have to say that. You should argue against the things I say rather then the words you put in my mouth. Point to one post where I am calling for a revolution. Go ahead I dare you.
"Its too much like the rise to power rhetoric of Hitler, Mousselini, Pol-Pot and Charles Taylor that turned out to be the worst rulers evar. Its very unlike the rhetoric of Ghandi, MLK, the Founding Fathers, etc..."
Yadda Yadda Yadda. Blah blah "you are hitler" blah blah "you are mousselini". Fuck you asshole. You think that there is no difference between me and somebody who killed six million jews? really is that what you think?
Sometimes non violence works and other times it does not. It worked for ghandi for George Washington it did not. You think non violence beat hitler? You think non violence freed the slaves? History is full of examples where violent struggle was taken to beat back evil. Before you go on putting more words in my mouth I never called for violence. Just self defense. At this stage of the war against the democrats the republicans are using Rhetoric so we must defend ourselves with Rhetoric. When they start hunting us down with guns we will defend ourselves with guns.
"Its chilling that such misguided people like you are out there ready to be a hammer and imprison people."
Once again read the post you are replying to. I said given a choice between going to jail and jailing other people I choose the latter. Got it?
"Even the very same words most often. Now if that isn't cause for pause."
Feel free to pause if you are confused. I keep saying this I will use the same weapons that use against me. It's a calculated and measured response. Right now it's just words. When they escalate their attack on democrats the democrats will escalate in turn. It's purely reactionary self defense. Got it?
"David doesn't have a malignant bone in his body."
You are totally unaware of the many speeches he has given. Most of them are covered by CSPAN and I am sure you can get transcrips. He has also appeared on numerous forums and debates on CSPAN and other media. To claim that he does not have a malignant bone in his body is simply insane to anybody who has heard him speak. In a recent CSPAN show he was so over the top even the republican callers were telling him to chill out.
"No its been about trying to help someone who's going off the deep end."
"References please. The two US citizens at Guantanamo Bay were released, and the Taliban have been granted POW status there. "
Ok you started out your post by lying so I probably shouldn't even respond but what the hell.
Fist of all nobody in Guantanamo bay is granted POW status. Rumsfeld argued vehemently not to let that happen because it would grant the prisoners rights under the geneva convention. See Human rights watch for a reference. While you are there also read up on how some have been transfered to other countries so that they could be tortured. There have also been reporting of beating and medical experimentation done on prisoners under the control of the US govt.
Also Jose Padilla who is an American citizen has been held without charges since June 9, 2002. No charges, no lawyers. John Ashcroft told Diane Sawyer on an interview broadcast on TV that he did not know the whereabouts of Jose Padilla and that he was in the hands of the military. Imagine that. Nobody knows where this guy is or what happened to him, not even the attorney general of the united states.
"The other "detainees" are a different story, they are not citizens and have in large measure been deported."
Lying again. There are currently over 600 prisoners in guantanamo bay alone. Who knows how many there are overseas and in the mainland us.
"Are you an immigrant violating your conditions for stay? Yes then you can be worried about detention. Otherwise relax."
As I said I am a citizen. The time to round up people like me is not here yet. You know the old saying. First, they came for the political opposition, but I was not political, and I did not object. Then, they came for the gypsies and homosexuals, but I was neither of these, and I did not object. Then, they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, and I did not object. One day, they came for me, and there was no one left to object..
"did Ann say "all swarthy people should be locked up?" Where?"
Here is the actual quote "Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave....We should require passports to fly domestically. Passports can be forged, but they can also be checked with the home country in case of any suspicious-looking swarthy males." Notice that zeroes in on skin color exclusively.
"Even simple things like accusing me of saying I don't know who David Horowitz is."
You said you didn't know who he was not me. I simply believed you when you told me that.
"You need a real break and re-evaluation before you turn into one of those monsters (if it hasn't happened already)."
You keep bringing up hitler as if that absolves the right wing of anything. It's a straw man and I am not going to fall for it. As I said before I will not simply lay down and die. I don't believe in turning the other cheek (after all I am not a christian). I believe that it's a dog eat dog and right now the republicans are eating the democrats. You are either a predator, a prey, or a pet; those are the only three options. I will not become prey or a pet. Sorry.
"Like I said I won't join in your crusade becuase I don't have faith in you, or your reasons."
I never asked you to. I never expected you to.
"It seems inconsevable to you that another rational, well versed intelligent person does not see the forming police state around you."
Why do you think I am the only person who thinks the US is turning into a police state? I assure you that there are millions of people who share my belief just
I was once watching the Howard Stern show and he had a famous model on. He asked the model what was in the center of the solar system. The model did not know. Howard then asked the model what school she went to and the model answered "Harvard".
The Ivy league schools are hard to get into but they are easy to graduate once you are in. They bend over backwards to make sure you graduate.
The reason they are hard to get into is because so many slots are taken by "legacy" also known as rich peoples affirmative action program. This is where you get to go to yale because your dad went to yale despite the fact that you had a C average in high school.
The reason a Harvard education is useful is not because you learn more it's because you make powerful contacts with the sons and daughters of rich and powerful people. A CEO will hire a harvard graduate because that person is more likely to have rich and powerful contacts not because they are better educated.
How? There are American citizens locked up right now without a trial. For all practical purposes these people have "disappeared" like in south America. It has also happened in the past. the internment of the Japanese was not that long ago. the communist witch hunts happened in my father's generation. What makes you think anything I say is preposterous?
"I won't join your obsession with Ann Coulter or David Horowitz."
Ok. You don't have to. They are not after you, they are after me and people like me. Maybe they will eventually turn on you but maybe they won't. In the mean time I don't think you'll be crying any tears for the people that are rounded up and taken away to be interned in some far off land. I still find it facinating however that you object to me but don't object to the hate speech flowing out of both Horowitz and Coulter on a daily basis.
"Everyone has the right to free speach."
Does that include me?
"And your obviously way too paranoid."
You are entitled to your opinion. I am simply looking around me and watching what is going on. I am reading history and seeing how people like you acted in the past when faced with similar circumstances. It does not take much research to figure it all out. You may want to give it a try.
"I don't see why Ann Coulter or the conservatives want to put you in a concentration camp".
She has specifically called for rounding up "swarthy men". Since I am a brown skinned individual I would be in her list of people to round up. I normally would not worry but she is one of the most influential republicans in the country and has the ears of the president, vice president and the attorney general.
"really, this is an irrational fear. First it was funny, now I'm kind of worried about your well being."
You may think it's irrational but I don't. Throughout history people have been enslaved, tortured and rounded up concentration camps and america has not been immune to any of that. Right now there are hundreds of people who are in concentration camps in guantanamo bay and other places throughout the world. No trials, no charges, no lawyers no nothing. Some of them are american citizens.
" unless your Al Queida that is.""
This is exactly why I am worried. People like you think that anybody who dares to question republicans are al quada. When Horowitz says that democrats are terrorists you believe him. I am a registered democrat which in your eyes makes me a terrorist and we know what happens to terrorists.
You are perfect reason why liberals can not take this kind assault laying down. FOX news is convincing millions of people like you that we liberals are terrorists. It's time to fight back lest we end up like those unfortunate souls in guantanamo bay.
You probably don't need to worry. Ann Coulter likes white christians. I need to worry because I am neither.
" You could work on that. But I don't suggest you become that which you hate."
I don't believe in turning the other cheek. If it means becoming what I hate to stay out of a concentration camp then so be it.
"I suggest NPR. Its liberal,"
Maybe.
"Perhaps CNN? Liberal and even in your face about it."
hardly. CNN may seem liberal to right wing wacko but I find them exceedingly middle of the road.
"CBS, NBC and ABC"
Half an hour a day, big fucking whoop. How is that supposed to counter 24 hours a day propaganda from CNBC and FOX?
"But probably the most liberal, most seething commentators are the morning shock jocks on your local music radio like Howard Stern."
Howard stern spends all of his time talking about sex. Why do you think he is political?
"Many a serial killers have used the "I'm the victim" defense. Many a Hitler have used the "I'm a victim fighting back" offence. This is a rather unhealthy obsession of yours."
Say what you want. I am under attack and I don't plan on sitting still and taking it from the likes of you. I don't care how hard you try you will not get me to give up and be rounded up. I have no intention of rotting in some jail sorry.
Or you could be apathetic and bury your head in the sand like you are.
"For someone who dislikes the Bush pre-war rhetoric you know you are begining to sound a lot like him."
thank you for the compliment. I am glad I am sounding like him. He killed lots of people and I want to make sure my enemies are afraid of me as Bush's enemies are of him.
" Ann and Bill have nothing on ol' Maha Rushie. (j/k I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh either, but I find it funny you don't even mention him)."
I didn't feel the need to mention him because you professed total and utter ignorance of the other names I mentioned.
"You stoll that directly from David Horowitz's favorite playbook agains that tired old ideologue, Noam Chomsky. Yep, here's the quote..."
So you were lying when you said you never heard of David Horowitz. Interesting. I hadn't head that snippet so thanks for the info. I am glad that I am using the same rhetoric as my enemies. They are obviously very influential and some of this is due to the rhetoric they use. Only If there was a liberal TV channel so that they could give me coverage like FOX gives Horowitz and his ilk.
"Good ol' David. 'MalContent', if that is your real name,"
No it's not my real name.
"blinded by hatred and seeking after your great white elephant to destroy."
Once again you are mistaking self defense with attack. I am under siege by the right wing zealots and unless I defend myself I may end up in a 4X6 chain link cage in Cuba.
"You don't see it but you are caught up in the "cola wars" of politics. So much energy, so little importance."
There is a war going on. You can bury your head in the sand about it, you can surrender or you can fight back. You don't watch FOX, CNBC or other republican news outlets but millions of people do. These people are fed a 24 hour stream of hate speech aimed at democrats. Sooner or later it's going to catch up with you so you are better off being aware of what your enemy is saying about you and the fatwahs they decree.
These news outlets are the madrasas of the western world where imams like Ms Coulter teach their students to hate democrats. One day one of those students will blow up a building with three thousand people in it or maybe even worse.
"He could get the same benefits from a Windows-based thin-client network*."
Maybe citrix but not terminal server. I know lots of sysadmins that have tried terminal server and they all abandoned it eventually. One IT manager told me "I am in terminal server a good part of my day and when I get off I am so happy". Terminal servers can't really support more then ten or so clients at a time and the client software plays weird tricks with modal windows and dialog boxes.
"Side note: he'd still be dealing with MS, which I understand is his prime motivation."
It seems like it was his primary motivation.
"For example, if there is a server failure - hardware or software - everyone (or whoever is running terminal sessions from that box) is down."
These days almost everybody is on a LAN. If the fileserver or the database server is down then everybody grinds to a halt anyway. You don't incur any additional risk by putting them on thin clients. It's also easy enough to have load balancing and failover set for the servers.
"For example, a minor mistake in admining that server will reverberate throughout the entire office. "
See above. If the DBA has to bring down the database server then everybody has to stop unless of course there is failover.
"'For example, maintenance cannot easily be done incrementally throughout the day, but rather, must now be done off hours lest it affect the entire office."
Most people I know have a development server. They do all the development server and then roll out the changes to the production machine. Depending on your application you can usually do this live with Unix. In Unix there are no file lock problems and you also have some very powerfull tools like rsync/rdist that allow you to roll out changes with ease. Just to give you an example I once did a make world, make kernel on a freebsd machine while people were logged in and using it. That night I brought the machine down to single user and did an install world and install kernel and brought the machine back up. The make world took a long time but it did not stop the users, the install world took about five minutes so it was not a big deal.
"There are good and bad sides to thin-client computing. He gave only the good ones. Just an FYI."
Unix was designed from the ground up to be a thin client environment while thin client computing is a kludge on top of windows. You really can't compare the two because they are vastly different.
"If you think I'm not taking you seriously, ask your self what you are saying that I should take seriously."
You should not take me seriously.
It's obvious that you are not up on issues. You are thoroughly unfamiliar with politics. You don't read the newspapers, you don't watch the news on TV, you don't watch news channels on cable. You are ignorant and seeming proud of that fact.
People like you should not take me seriously, go back to watching bugs bunny cartoons or MTV or whatever else crap you watch on tv. If you take me seriously then maybe you'd have to get informed or something and we would not want that to happen. Be happy living in your own little world.
" Yes, in this case I do think I can fathom their ambitions and plans."
Let me guess. You have extraordinary powers of psychic prowess. You are able to read their thoughts and know their innormost wishes and desires because you have a direct tap into their psyche. Or maybe you visit them in their dreams and talk to them while they are sleeping.
"If you had read the article you would agree"
Oh I see you are one of those people who think MS employees never lie about anything.
"Pick your fights carefully, otherwise you look ridiculous."
Oh that I could. In this case the fight came to us. MS and SCO started wailing away trying to kill us while we were trying to help the world. When under attack we have no choice. Maybe we will all die, after all history is full of superior force destroying and humiliating the weaker foe. I for one hold out hope that the community can beat back these bastards. The survival of OSS is at stake and this is no time to fall asleep.
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"And dont let them fool you, it's very much a business."
What a stupid post. Are you really saying there is no difference between a non profit and exxon or microsoft?
"You seem to have little understanding of how war works. If someone is in a bunker shooting at you, that is plenty of evidence that they are combatting you. If they don't have the proper markings designating them as soldiers, they are illegal combatants. This is due process for war."
There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to start.
1) Why make a distinction at all? Why not treat all combatants are POWs and give them their full human rights under the geneva convention? It would seem to be the decent and moral thing to do. You call yourself a christian, how can you justify classifying people as something less then a POW so that you can deny them basic human rights guaranteed under the geneva convention?
2) "Illegal combatant" is not a term recognized by any international body or treaty. It's a term made up by the US so that it can deny people basic human rights.
3) Have you thought that maybe the people without uniforms could not afford them? You are attacking and invading a very poor country. Not everybody can afford to outfit their soldiers like the US. You can not deny people basic human rights just because they are not wearing uniforms.
How can you call yourself a christian and at the same time accept this bogus and illegal classification that was created just to circumvent the Geneva treaty.
"Good thing is it not?"
Amazing. These people were let go because they were innocent. I think we can both agree that the US military would not let guilty people go right?
Ok now the flipside. COmpletely innocent people were abducted and shipped off to cuba. There they lived for more then two years in small chain link cages with no roofs or walls. They were tortured and forcefully injected with chemicals of unkown types.
As a christian this should deeply offend you.
"I don't have to have been with the soldiers draggin them out of bunkers to verify for myself that it is where they came from."
You have no evidence. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Nothing. You don't know who they are, where they came from, why they are there, what crimes they are accused of, if they are adults or children and especially you don't know if they are guilty or innocent. They haven't been charged, no judge heard anything, they have no lawyers, nothing.
You have absolute faith in the infallibility of your your president and the army. What is amazing to me is that you hold this faith despite the fact they admitted that they captured innocent people (and let them go two years later).
Where do you get such faith? In the face of no evidence whatsoever how can you justify 100% confidence like that?
"Maybe, but more from what you've told me than what Bush would. Your rhetoric is just way to violent and whacked."
I know the truth is hard to bear.
"This post amounts to be where you should have started this. Here you more cloaked your problematic facts (the ones that seem to have been easily discredited) and offered more Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt as a persuasive tool. While it may not have worked better, it would have bought you more time before being completely discredited."
Huh? I am afraid I can't really parse this sentense.
BTW the fact that you are now a coward and are not even willing to sign a pseudonym to your posts is most telling.
" Linux could disappear from the market as a viable OS, with support by companies like RedHat, and developed further by an enthusiastic community"
.005% chance that they may get sued is proably making all kinds of irrational decisions. They are probably destroying their company no matter what operating system they choose.
I don't know where they would get this idea. In the worst case they pay a licensing fee to SCO and SCO supports them. It would not disappear it would just be SCO property.
"Users of Linux are being sued. The Microsoft case was purely against Microsoft. The SCO case is against any Linux user or distributor they set their sights on."
I highly doubt that anybody actually believes that. Again they just pay a license fee and it's over.
"But corporations might see it differently and decide to go with a less legal troublesome technology."
Some might but most won't. If your competitor is getting it's operating systems for free and you are paying through the nose then they will kick your ass. Any manager who is so bad at risk assesment that they would give up competitive advantage on the
I don't doubt that there are inept managers out there. My point is that those companies are already on their deathbed or are dying. Successful companies have people on board who understand risk management.
Microsoft got sued by the govt and that didn't stop anybody. Microsoft got sued by lots of companies, some they won, most they settled, some they lost. They just recently lost a whopper patent infringement case and yet nobody is dumping them because of it.
It makes no sense to roll over and die when somebody attacks you. You have to fight back.
What if there is GPLed code not written by SGI in SCO unix? Then what happens?
You switched to anonymous mode. Cowardice is not flattering to you. It makes your arguments meaningless. Decloak and post under your real name and maybe I'll pick this up again.
BTW you have no idea if any of the people in guantanamo bay are al-quada. They haven't been charged, no evidence had been provided, some of them have been let go (why is the US letting al quada go?). All you have is the president's word and your blind willingness to follow him just on his word alone. If he said I was al-quada you'd believe him too.
The president is like SCO. "this man is al-qada, I won't give you any proof but he is. He will now be locked in a concentration camp till he dies where we will torture him and conduct medical experiments on him. Trust me you don't need to see evidence he is a bad man"
Microsoft?
"and not even the Talibal are being "detained" without due rights and privedges. "
Again go read the article you posted. There are over 600 people locked up in gitmo with no rights. That's just gitmo!. There are people also locked up concentration camps in afghanistan and quatar but nobody knows how many. I am sorry that this bit of factual information is not sinking into your brain but it's true.
"You said I claimed not to know who David Horowitz is."
You are confused about which david horowitz. You keep referring to the consumer advocate. Jeez o man!.
"I'm comparing your trumped up paranoid rhetoric to the rhetoric Hitler, Charles Taylor, Franco, and Lennin. "
OK time for another diagram for you.
You say.
Malcontent rhetoric = hitler rhetoric.
You have also said (many times)
Malcontent rhetoric = Ann Coulter rhetoric OR David Horowitz Rhetoric.
Therefore
Ann Coulter or David Horowitz rhetoric = Hitler rhetoric.
Oooops! But wait a minute I am evil but They are just fine. You have no objections to their rhetoric. How can this be!
"They all rose to power by trumping up a fear of the government with subtle preparing of their audience to "jail", "hammer", and otherwise oppress those they trumped up accusations of oppression over."
Bingo!! Now you get it!!. Congratulations!. Read the above sentence like 50 times till it really sinks in. Now I know you are going to miss it but what the hell I'll repeat it again. Keep in mind that you are in 100% agreement with me here.
Before you go rounding up people into concentration camps you need to wage a war of Rhetoric. Hitler did it with gypsies, homosexuals, jews and the mentally retarded. Ann Coulter and David Horowitz are doing it with homosexuals, dark skinned people, muslims and liberals.
You are absolutely 100% right. Before you jail people you wage a war of rhetoric. Since I am dark skinned I am on the target list. I also know many muslims and homosexuals so many of my friends are on the list. The republicans are preparing the populace for rounding up the undesirables by waging a war of rhetoric. According to rebpublicans we are "traitors" and we "hate america" and we are "mentally ill". This is exact same prep work Hitler did before he started rounding people up.
The time to defend ourselves is now when the war is one of rhetoric. When they come to round us up it will be too late.
"Another trumped up charge of ignorance. Your a one note piano here."
The irony is thick huh? Perhaps you should have written "you're a one note piano here"
"Malcontent: Fist of all nobody in Guantanamo bay is granted POW status.
Chicago Tribune: U.S. grants POW status to Taliban, not Al Qaeda"
Ok once more from the top. Go and read the article. Go back and read my post. Do you see where I say that nobody in guantanamo bay is granted POW status? Do you see where the article says nobody in guantanamo is granted POW status? The article you pointed to proves my point. Really it does. Go back and read it.
"What about that quote makes you think I don't know who David Horowitz is? "
Gee let me think. Maybe it's because you were providing a URL to a completely different person? Ya think that might be it? That and you actually professing that you have never heard of Sean Hannidy plus the fact that you have never read anything by ann coulter nor had you ever heard or seen her on TV. Ya think that might be it? I wonder what would give me that Idea?
"The self defence of making the government tremble at your words while you put them in jail is most definately revolution my friend. Lie to us if you must, but this take head and do to thine own self be true!"
Gee I would reply to this but I really don't understand it. The govt tremble? Where did that come from? To thine own self be true? Mmmmm OK I guess.
"And you have said you wish to detain them and be the hammer."
You should learn to read. Go back and re-read my post. You see words and sentences have context. Do you know what context means? For example when a person says given a choice between being in prison and putting people in prison I choose the latter they don't mean that they want to put people in prison. You see that now? Look up context in the dictionary. While you are at it you might want to try and understand why speaking and expressing an opinion is not the same as killing 6 million jews. Your adolescent attempt to constantly compare me to Hitler is getting tiresome. In order to clarify the situation for you I have made the following simple to understand diagram.
Hitler = Kill 6 million jews
Malcontent = Post On Slashdot
I hope that clears it up for you.
"What makes me feel better is that when you disagree and we investigate your claims, you wind up messing up facts right and left."
It seems confusing to you because you don't know how to read. Go back and read the links I posted, go back and read the links YOU posted.
"Wrong."
Shocking absolutely shocking. Did you even read the URL you posted? did you? Apparently not because here is the second sentence from the url you posted.
"At the same time, the administration said no detainees at the U.S. naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, would be considered prisoners of war, an official designation granted by the 1949 Geneva Convention."
Unbelievable.
"Wrong, Look at where they went to. Very Muslim sympathetic countries. The only evidence that they were put there to be tortured are brought about by anonymous hearsay. Sorry bub."
Once again read the URLs I posted to. You really need to read these things before replying to them.
"Wrong. And if I'm not wrong, go ahead and show me where I said it. The problem about lying is that you will get caught, especially when you try to lie about what another person says. And so far your not doing a very credible job at all."
Sigh. You know you are going to get caught up in your own lies yet you insist anyway. Please refer to Your own post here is the relavant excerpt.
but how about David Horowitz[?]
The host of Fight Back! [fightback.com]? He's right up there with Ralph Nader as my favorite anti-corporate watchdog.
OK?
"Wrong, I bring up Hitler to provide context for your mistaken call for revolution. "
I am not calling for a revolution. I am practising self defence. How many times do I have to say that. You should argue against the things I say rather then the words you put in my mouth. Point to one post where I am calling for a revolution. Go ahead I dare you.
"Its too much like the rise to power rhetoric of Hitler, Mousselini, Pol-Pot and Charles Taylor that turned out to be the worst rulers evar. Its very unlike the rhetoric of Ghandi, MLK, the Founding Fathers, etc..."
Yadda Yadda Yadda. Blah blah "you are hitler" blah blah "you are mousselini". Fuck you asshole. You think that there is no difference between me and somebody who killed six million jews? really is that what you think?
Sometimes non violence works and other times it does not. It worked for ghandi for George Washington it did not. You think non violence beat hitler? You think non violence freed the slaves? History is full of examples where violent struggle was taken to beat back evil. Before you go on putting more words in my mouth I never called for violence. Just self defense. At this stage of the war against the democrats the republicans are using Rhetoric so we must defend ourselves with Rhetoric. When they start hunting us down with guns we will defend ourselves with guns.
"Its chilling that such misguided people like you are out there ready to be a hammer and imprison people."
Once again read the post you are replying to. I said given a choice between going to jail and jailing other people I choose the latter. Got it?
"Even the very same words most often. Now if that isn't cause for pause."
Feel free to pause if you are confused. I keep saying this I will use the same weapons that use against me. It's a calculated and measured response. Right now it's just words. When they escalate their attack on democrats the democrats will escalate in turn. It's purely reactionary self defense. Got it?
"David doesn't have a malignant bone in his body."
You are totally unaware of the many speeches he has given. Most of them are covered by CSPAN and I am sure you can get transcrips. He has also appeared on numerous forums and debates on CSPAN and other media. To claim that he does not have a malignant bone in his body is simply insane to anybody who has heard him speak. In a recent CSPAN show he was so over the top even the republican callers were telling him to chill out.
"No its been about trying to help someone who's going off the deep end."
Mmm interesting. You are
You'd be better off suing for copyright infringement. It's a stronger case the rewards are much better.
"References please. The two US citizens at Guantanamo Bay were released, and the Taliban have been granted POW status there. "
Ok you started out your post by lying so I probably shouldn't even respond but what the hell.
Fist of all nobody in Guantanamo bay is granted POW status. Rumsfeld argued vehemently not to let that happen because it would grant the prisoners rights under the geneva convention. See Human rights watch for a reference. While you are there also read up on how some have been transfered to other countries so that they could be tortured. There have also been reporting of beating and medical experimentation done on prisoners under the control of the US govt.
Also Jose Padilla who is an American citizen has been held without charges since June 9, 2002. No charges, no lawyers. John Ashcroft told Diane Sawyer on an interview broadcast on TV that he did not know the whereabouts of Jose Padilla and that he was in the hands of the military. Imagine that. Nobody knows where this guy is or what happened to him, not even the attorney general of the united states.
"The other "detainees" are a different story, they are not citizens and have in large measure been deported."
Lying again. There are currently over 600 prisoners in guantanamo bay alone. Who knows how many there are overseas and in the mainland us.
"Are you an immigrant violating your conditions for stay? Yes then you can be worried about detention. Otherwise relax."
As I said I am a citizen. The time to round up people like me is not here yet. You know the old saying. First, they came for the political opposition, but I was not political, and I did not object. Then, they came for the gypsies and homosexuals, but I was neither of these, and I did not object. Then, they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, and I did not object. One day, they came for me, and there was no one left to object..
"did Ann say "all swarthy people should be locked up?" Where?"
Here is the actual quote
"Congress could pass a law tomorrow requiring that all aliens from Arabic countries leave....We should require passports to fly domestically. Passports can be forged, but they can also be checked with the home country in case of any suspicious-looking swarthy males." Notice that zeroes in on skin color exclusively.
"Even simple things like accusing me of saying I don't know who David Horowitz is."
You said you didn't know who he was not me. I simply believed you when you told me that.
"You need a real break and re-evaluation before you turn into one of those monsters (if it hasn't happened already)."
You keep bringing up hitler as if that absolves the right wing of anything. It's a straw man and I am not going to fall for it. As I said before I will not simply lay down and die. I don't believe in turning the other cheek (after all I am not a christian). I believe that it's a dog eat dog and right now the republicans are eating the democrats. You are either a predator, a prey, or a pet; those are the only three options. I will not become prey or a pet. Sorry.
"Like I said I won't join in your crusade becuase I don't have faith in you, or your reasons."
I never asked you to. I never expected you to.
"It seems inconsevable to you that another rational, well versed intelligent person does not see the forming police state around you."
Why do you think I am the only person who thinks the US is turning into a police state? I assure you that there are millions of people who share my belief just
I was once watching the Howard Stern show and he had a famous model on. He asked the model what was in the center of the solar system. The model did not know. Howard then asked the model what school she went to and the model answered "Harvard".
The Ivy league schools are hard to get into but they are easy to graduate once you are in. They bend over backwards to make sure you graduate.
The reason they are hard to get into is because so many slots are taken by "legacy" also known as rich peoples affirmative action program. This is where you get to go to yale because your dad went to yale despite the fact that you had a C average in high school.
The reason a Harvard education is useful is not because you learn more it's because you make powerful contacts with the sons and daughters of rich and powerful people. A CEO will hire a harvard graduate because that person is more likely to have rich and powerful contacts not because they are better educated.
"What you suggest is just preposterous"
How? There are American citizens locked up right now without a trial. For all practical purposes these people have "disappeared" like in south America. It has also happened in the past. the internment of the Japanese was not that long ago. the communist witch hunts happened in my father's generation. What makes you think anything I say is preposterous?
"I won't join your obsession with Ann Coulter or David Horowitz."
Ok. You don't have to. They are not after you, they are after me and people like me. Maybe they will eventually turn on you but maybe they won't. In the mean time I don't think you'll be crying any tears for the people that are rounded up and taken away to be interned in some far off land. I still find it facinating however that you object to me but don't object to the hate speech flowing out of both Horowitz and Coulter on a daily basis.
"Everyone has the right to free speach."
Does that include me?
"And your obviously way too paranoid."
You are entitled to your opinion. I am simply looking around me and watching what is going on. I am reading history and seeing how people like you acted in the past when faced with similar circumstances. It does not take much research to figure it all out. You may want to give it a try.
"I don't see why Ann Coulter or the conservatives want to put you in a concentration camp".
She has specifically called for rounding up "swarthy men". Since I am a brown skinned individual I would be in her list of people to round up. I normally would not worry but she is one of the most influential republicans in the country and has the ears of the president, vice president and the attorney general.
"really, this is an irrational fear. First it was funny, now I'm kind of worried about your well being."
You may think it's irrational but I don't. Throughout history people have been enslaved, tortured and rounded up concentration camps and america has not been immune to any of that. Right now there are hundreds of people who are in concentration camps in guantanamo bay and other places throughout the world. No trials, no charges, no lawyers no nothing. Some of them are american citizens.
" unless your Al Queida that is.""
This is exactly why I am worried. People like you think that anybody who dares to question republicans are al quada. When Horowitz says that democrats are terrorists you believe him. I am a registered democrat which in your eyes makes me a terrorist and we know what happens to terrorists.
You are perfect reason why liberals can not take this kind assault laying down. FOX news is convincing millions of people like you that we liberals are terrorists. It's time to fight back lest we end up like those unfortunate souls in guantanamo bay.
"Like I said, no thanks."
You probably don't need to worry. Ann Coulter likes white christians. I need to worry because I am neither.
" You could work on that. But I don't suggest you become that which you hate."
I don't believe in turning the other cheek. If it means becoming what I hate to stay out of a concentration camp then so be it.
"I suggest NPR. Its liberal,"
Maybe.
"Perhaps CNN? Liberal and even in your face about it."
hardly. CNN may seem liberal to right wing wacko but I find them exceedingly middle of the road.
"CBS, NBC and ABC"
Half an hour a day, big fucking whoop. How is that supposed to counter 24 hours a day propaganda from CNBC and FOX?
"But probably the most liberal, most seething commentators are the morning shock jocks on your local music radio like Howard Stern."
Howard stern spends all of his time talking about sex. Why do you think he is political?
"Many a serial killers have used the "I'm the victim" defense. Many a Hitler have used the "I'm a victim fighting back" offence. This is a rather unhealthy obsession of yours."
Say what you want. I am under attack and I don't plan on sitting still and taking it from the likes of you. I don't care how hard you try you will not get me to give up and be rounded up. I have no intention of rotting in some jail sorry.
"I know. I'm either for you or against you."
Or you could be apathetic and bury your head in the sand like you are.
"For someone who dislikes the Bush pre-war rhetoric you know you are begining to sound a lot like him."
thank you for the compliment. I am glad I am sounding like him. He killed lots of people and I want to make sure my enemies are afraid of me as Bush's enemies are of him.
" Ann and Bill have nothing on ol' Maha Rushie. (j/k I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh either, but I find it funny you don't even mention him)."
I didn't feel the need to mention him because you professed total and utter ignorance of the other names I mentioned.
"You stoll that directly from David Horowitz's favorite playbook agains that tired old ideologue, Noam Chomsky. Yep, here's the quote..."
So you were lying when you said you never heard of David Horowitz. Interesting. I hadn't head that snippet so thanks for the info. I am glad that I am using the same rhetoric as my enemies. They are obviously very influential and some of this is due to the rhetoric they use. Only If there was a liberal TV channel so that they could give me coverage like FOX gives Horowitz and his ilk.
"Good ol' David. 'MalContent', if that is your real name,"
No it's not my real name.
"blinded by hatred and seeking after your great white elephant to destroy."
Once again you are mistaking self defense with attack. I am under siege by the right wing zealots and unless I defend myself I may end up in a 4X6 chain link cage in Cuba.
"Maybe some cartoons would do you good. "
I don't watch cartoons.
"You don't see it but you are caught up in the "cola wars" of politics. So much energy, so little importance."
There is a war going on. You can bury your head in the sand about it, you can surrender or you can fight back. You don't watch FOX, CNBC or other republican news outlets but millions of people do. These people are fed a 24 hour stream of hate speech aimed at democrats. Sooner or later it's going to catch up with you so you are better off being aware of what your enemy is saying about you and the fatwahs they decree.
These news outlets are the madrasas of the western world where imams like Ms Coulter teach their students to hate democrats. One day one of those students will blow up a building with three thousand people in it or maybe even worse.
This is an opportunity for the commercial sector to come in.
As the populality of Linux rises I think you will see more software companies port to it.
Clearly the corporations should add the cost of compliance to their TCOs.
I imagine buying and installing this software was not free.
"He could get the same benefits from a Windows-based thin-client network*."
Maybe citrix but not terminal server. I know lots of sysadmins that have tried terminal server and they all abandoned it eventually. One IT manager told me "I am in terminal server a good part of my day and when I get off I am so happy". Terminal servers can't really support more then ten or so clients at a time and the client software plays weird tricks with modal windows and dialog boxes.
"Side note: he'd still be dealing with MS, which I understand is his prime motivation."
It seems like it was his primary motivation.
"For example, if there is a server failure - hardware or software - everyone (or whoever is running terminal sessions from that box) is down."
These days almost everybody is on a LAN. If the fileserver or the database server is down then everybody grinds to a halt anyway. You don't incur any additional risk by putting them on thin clients. It's also easy enough to have load balancing and failover set for the servers.
"For example, a minor mistake in admining that server will reverberate throughout the entire office. "
See above. If the DBA has to bring down the database server then everybody has to stop unless of course there is failover.
"'For example, maintenance cannot easily be done incrementally throughout the day, but rather, must now be done off hours lest it affect the entire office."
Most people I know have a development server. They do all the development server and then roll out the changes to the production machine. Depending on your application you can usually do this live with Unix. In Unix there are no file lock problems and you also have some very powerfull tools like rsync/rdist that allow you to roll out changes with ease. Just to give you an example I once did a make world, make kernel on a freebsd machine while people were logged in and using it. That night I brought the machine down to single user and did an install world and install kernel and brought the machine back up. The make world took a long time but it did not stop the users, the install world took about five minutes so it was not a big deal.
"There are good and bad sides to thin-client computing. He gave only the good ones. Just an FYI."
Unix was designed from the ground up to be a thin client environment while thin client computing is a kludge on top of windows. You really can't compare the two because they are vastly different.
"Just because I *don't* pay attention to Ann Coulter?"
No because you have never even seen her on TV. Not just her but all kinds of other political commentators. It's obvious you don't watch the news.
"If you think I'm not taking you seriously, ask your self what you are saying that I should take seriously."
You should not take me seriously.
It's obvious that you are not up on issues. You are thoroughly unfamiliar with politics. You don't read the newspapers, you don't watch the news on TV, you don't watch news channels on cable. You are ignorant and seeming proud of that fact.
People like you should not take me seriously, go back to watching bugs bunny cartoons or MTV or whatever else crap you watch on tv. If you take me seriously then maybe you'd have to get informed or something and we would not want that to happen. Be happy living in your own little world.
English surely sucks big wet sloppy monkey balls.
Example: How do you pronounce the letters "ea". Say the following words out looud.
ear
hear
heart.
" Yes, in this case I do think I can fathom their ambitions and plans."
Let me guess. You have extraordinary powers of psychic prowess. You are able to read their thoughts and know their innormost wishes and desires because you have a direct tap into their psyche. Or maybe you visit them in their dreams and talk to them while they are sleeping.
"If you had read the article you would agree"
Oh I see you are one of those people who think MS employees never lie about anything.
"Pick your fights carefully, otherwise you look ridiculous."
Oh that I could. In this case the fight came to us. MS and SCO started wailing away trying to kill us while we were trying to help the world. When under attack we have no choice. Maybe we will all die, after all history is full of superior force destroying and humiliating the weaker foe. I for one hold out hope that the community can beat back these bastards. The survival of OSS is at stake and this is no time to fall asleep.