" That number looks like you pulled it from somewhere the Sun don't shine. "
It's a guess. An approximation. I did not do any reasearch and arrive at that answer. But a simple look at any bugtrack should back me up. Most errors are due to memory leakage, buffer overflows and other artifacts of C programming.
" "literate" code is often the wrong approach, when I want to say things well in English I don't write the same thing in Japanese next to it... I just spend time writing it well in English."
Literate programming means writing well in code. It means much more then comments and I urge you to some research into it.
"Interfaces in the Java sense I doubt buy you much from a lower bug count POV."
Interfaces force a strong contract. They make it harder to break the program.
"It's just not going to happen in the OpenSource world IMO, implementing someone's very good spec. isn't much fun... implementing one less than that gets much less so."
In that case then open source programs will continue to suffer from too many bugs.
" Duh, testing helps reduce bugs.. I'm shocked."
Unit testing is different from regression testing and pre-release QA. By insisting on unit testing you will deliver cleaner code to the QA team.
" I specifically referred to the U.S. in my original post. And the Berne Convention is causing similar laws to be passed in the EU. Freenet nodes outside the civilized world of North America and Europe could be safe, I guess."
Oh the irony. Read that three times and lament.
"willfully blind"
You keep saying this. Is this an actual legal term or did you just make it up. I would like to know what the legal definition of this is. It seems to make all proxy servers and all server who don't log illegal.
"who wants to do testing? Everybody wants to be a developer, and the more new features, the more bang, the more people will be drawn to the program, so more often than not new features and frequent releases rather than testing are the focus."
There is a solution to this problem.
1) Stop using C. Use object oriented languages and languages that offer garbage collection. You will immediately reduce bugs by 80%
2) Make code more literate. Use pre and post conditions, demand that all contributors use lots of asserts. Make liberal use of interfaces.
3) Designate a few people as architects of the project. These people should do nothing but write and design interfaces and maybe write class stubs with pre and post conditions and have the rest of the team complete the classes.
4) Unit testing, unit testing, unit testing.
The idea is to minimize the need for QA as much as possible.
"Right, and the ones reasponsible are being held accountable, they are the focus and reason for the action that is being taken""
Many many people died in iraq. I don't know where you get the idea that it was only the people responsible getting punished. When you went over there to "hold them responsible" you and your comrades in arms destroyed power plants, water treatment facilities, communication facilites and all kinds of civillian infrastructre. On top of all that you used depleted uranium armament which caused an increased rate of birth defects. Combine all that with sanctions and the people of Iraq were punished severely for their portion of responsibility.
"My question is where do you draw the line? We need to start applying some common sense here."
Again I pointed out that you and your army buddies punished the entire iraqi people. Where did you draw the line? You didn't. You punished an entire country for decades for invading kuwait. But you yourself escaped punishment. I guess I draw the line in the same place that you did. That is I don't draw the line.
"There's a hole in NYC might be a small reason for us to take action."
I guess you are amongst those Amreicans you believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. I guess Lincoln was right. You can fool most of the people most of the time. George Bush repeated that lie enough times and it became the truth for most Americans despite total lack of evidence. I now feel it's foolish to try and talk to you any further. You are obviously easily convinced of anything.
Anyway. Three thousand people died in NY. When is your bloodlust going to be fulfilled. Wasn't it enough to kill tens of thousands of Afghanis? Wasn't it enough to invade and occupy Iraq and take over their oil supplies? Are you ever going to be feel satiated or are you going to continue to kill more people and ivade more countries forever to avenge the deaths of those three thousand people?
"Also 12 years of violation of the cease fire from the 91 Gulf war."
Was that enough of a reason to invade and occupy? If your threshold of invading is that low then god hep the rest of the world. In the mean time of course there are millions of people suffering under insane conditions while we stand by do nothing. I guess it sucks that they don't have oil.
"The person violated the law by dumping the toxic waste."
You didn't read my example. In my example the liberterians control the govt. There is no law against dumping toxic waste. In my example what the plant did was completely legal. Liberterians don't believe there should be environmental regulations and laws.
"Slick Willy and Gore's policies were to raise taxes and drop tariffs."
I think all of America is grateful that the Clinton era of peace and prosperity if finally over. We are much better off now under war, poverty and unemployement.
"To make a profit companies are moving to 3rd world countries."
Comapnies have been doing that for ever, they will continue to do it for ever. COmpanies have no morals or ethics. Eventually countried like China and the US will drastically increase their prison labor programs to compete against cheap labor overseas. They will also continue to incarcerate people at an increasing rate and rent them to corporations for cheap. Of course I predict it will not help. A few countries in Africa will re-instate slavery and all the corporations will move to that country as soon as it happens.
"It's WAY too large to rewrite in Java or some other cross platformable language."
This simply points out how shortsighted your CIO and your management was. They locked themselves into one platform and one vendor. Now they have jump everythime MS tells them to. Your company is now a faucet that delivers cold hard cash into MS coffers on a steady basis.
I think "support freenet" implies working to make it better don't you? I am pretty sure it does mean "whine some about how it does not do what you want".
"To some extent, but they also share some responsiblity for the action of the extreme factions they allow to flourish in their society."
This is exactly what I am saying. There are layers and percentages of responsiblity. The problem is that the iraqis were living in a dictatorship and you are living in a democracy. For that reason alone they (the common iraqui) shares less of the blame then you.
Here is the worst part. They are paying for their share of responsiblity with death and disease and poverty. You on the other hand have not been held responsible for your portion of the blame yet.
"Whe cannot bury our heads in the sand and do nothing, history will back up that point of view."
Yes we can and we do all the time. Not only do we stand by but frequently we agitate and instigate. Look at what we did in shouth and central America. Where do you get the notion that we can't just stand by and do nothing from? What did we do in Chile? Argentina? El Salvador? Guatamala? Palestine? Honestly where did you get that idea from? Where in history does it show that we can't just stand by?
We are standing by right now while all over the world people are being murdered, tortured, and opressed.
"We can though start somewhere and hold people accountable."
Hold who accountable for what and how. How is invading and occupying iraq and taking over the oil fields holding saddam accountable? How is invading iraq holding Osama accountable?
"If someone dumps toxic waste, hold the people acountable who are responsible."
Who is that actually? Take this scenario for example.
Let's pretend the US govt went all liberterian at the next election. The first thing they do is lift all the environmental regulations. Next the plant in your town starts pumping toxic waste into the river because it's much cheaper then cleaning shit up. Since you are an average person who can not afford the clean water delivered by the premium water company you purchase your water from the middle of the road water company which delivers mostly clean water. Next thing you know there is an alarming increase in birth defects. So you sue. You want to hold someone responsible. But who?
You sue the water company for delivering toxic water and they say "you can't prove it's us because you could have breathed the stuff or gotten it through contact". You can't sue the plant because they say "you got because you are drinking bad water, see these people who drank the premium water have less birth defects". In fact they then turn around and hold you responsible. In fact it's your fault for not buying better water, it's your fault for living so close to a toxic waste spewing plant. It's your fault for not getting better pre-natal care.
Whose fault is it? Who is responsible for your deformed baby?
"You cannot hold the person who bought the sneakers responsible for the plant manager dumping toxic waste in the river. Let's be real and apply some common sense here."
Sure you can. If that person didn't buy the sneakers then the company would have dumped a little less toxins. If people cared enough to buy from clean companies no toxins would be dumped at all.
I am not saying they are wholly responsible but they share some responsiblity. Even if it's one thousands of one percent.
" As for legalizing gambling? It's state controlled per the lottery. As for Prostitution what's wrong with it?"
I wasn't passing any judgements on whether prostitution or gambling or taking drugs was good or bad. The fact remains nobody can get elected to the presidency while advocating those things.
"As for suing everyone, they already have for a long time."
If you think it's bad now then you should definately abandon the liberterian party. Under the liberterian party it would multiply by a thousandfold. In the liberterian philosophy all arguments are settled by civil action.
"MMMMMMMMMMM Let's start holding people accountable for their own actions and stop trying to create a thought police."
You said that twice so you must really believe it. The problem is that people like you tend to believe that one and only person can ever be responsible for anything. If a corporation dumps toxic waste in the ocean the only person responsible is the guy who pulled the lever right? The fact is that more often then not multiple entities shoulder proportions of the blame. You (that's you specifically) share some blame for the deaths of tens of thousands of iraqis. Not as much as the pilot who let go of the bomb, not as much as the president who started the war, not as much as general who gave the order but some responsiblity. Not just in iraq but all over the world people are being harmed, tortured, killed and abused and you bear some responsiblity. You would not believe how much evil gets committed in the name of sugar and cofee alone. Add to that cocoa, oil, diamonds and sneakers and you have enough bad karma on your head to last you a lifetime.
"# #3. Yes, SQL Server doesn't support C# triggers or embedding C# apps -- WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT THAT -- seperate your database from your application. Lots of the technology you mentioned in your question are for seperating layers, and then you wanna do something SILLY like cram C# into the database."
While this is generally a good idea you have to look at it from his perspective. When MS was comparing java to.NET they rewrote the pet shop application using.NET. When they did that they rewrote major sections of the application as stored procedures. In fact they embedded a significant amount of business logic as stored procedures.
In the Microsoft world this is a very accepted procedure. I think most MS development shops reoutinely load up the database with business logic.
Too funny. If you think corporations have too much power then give them more power and strip more power from the govt. Yes that'll fix things!.
Liberterianism is a lost cause. Nobody is going to elect a president who is for legalizing drugs, legalizing abortion, legalizing gambling, legalizing prostitution etc.
Also stipping the legislative and the executive branches of the govt to the bare minimum while shifting all governing to the jucial branch is a recipe for disaster. In a liberterian world everybody in the country will be suing everybody else all the time. All your time wasted in jammed up civil courts all your money wasted on lawyers.
If you want unbiased news your best bet is to look outside the country. Lucky for you english versions of most countries news outlets are available on the web.
During our invasion of iraq the best place to get news was from New Zealand, Chinese, and russian news outlets. Even CNN asia was much less biased then CNN US. Too bad I don't speak arabic it would have been interesting to hear what al zereera was saying. Of course they were not allowed to broadcast in english in the US. Shows you how much we value free speech huh?
"Now I remember why I read slashdot, for the non-biased even-handed reporting."
Where are you from? Did you just land on this planet? Who the hell gave you the idea that slashdot was a newspaper or that the people who run it are journalists?
This is for all practical purposes a Rupert Murdoch bill. If a politicianis on the Rupert Murdoch enemies list (I.E Democrats) then you want to oppose any bill giving him more power to demonize you to the public and call you a traitor or a terrorist. If you are a politician who benefits from Rupert Murdoch (I.E a republican) either directly by receiving money from him or indirectly from one of his many media outlets (Fox and such) then you want to give him even more power to call you a hero.
"Voting for a Republican or a Democrat does not make one a Republican or a Democrat."
consistently voting for republicans make you a republican. Never ever voting for a democrat makes you a republican. You are a helf hating republican who lives in a democratic state. In order to shield yourself from ridicule you pretend to be some sort of a liberterian. BTW I was not aware that there were only two democrats in the entire state of NY. You must have a legislature chuck full of republicans and liberterians huh?
Of course even at that you are inept. I have never heard of any liberterian that supports public schools. It goes against the philosophy of the liberterian party at it's core.
"You're just another individual who is anti-freedom."
you can do whatever you want. When you start spewing shit though I get to call you on it. That's freedom. Did I ever stop you from doing anything? Are so afraid of my words that you feel threatened. Exactly how have I threatened your freedom.
Also what good is your freedom when you are too cowardly to tell the truth to yourself.
If you ever go to utah (and I have) you will notice two things. Two things people in Utah hate more then hippies and liberals are californians and new yorkers.
"You don't know who I've voted for in the past, present, or who I will vote for in the future (I don't even know that)."
All you had to do was to disagree. All you had to do was to say "I voted for a democrat once" or "I voted for lots of democrats" or even "I have never voted for republicans or democrats because I always vote for liberterians".
You did not dispute anything I said and I presume this is because everything I said is the truth.
You never voted for a democrat. You often vote for republicans, you sometimes vote for liberterians"
I know you because I know lots of people like you. You are a republican but are afraid to say so. A self hating republican if you will.
Slashdot Mirror
" That number looks like you pulled it from somewhere the Sun don't shine. "
... I just spend time writing it well in English."
... implementing one less than that gets much less so."
.. I'm shocked."
It's a guess. An approximation. I did not do any reasearch and arrive at that answer. But a simple look at any bugtrack should back me up. Most errors are due to memory leakage, buffer overflows and other artifacts of C programming.
" "literate" code is often the wrong approach, when I want to say things well in English I don't write the same thing in Japanese next to it
Literate programming means writing well in code. It means much more then comments and I urge you to some research into it.
"Interfaces in the Java sense I doubt buy you much from a lower bug count POV."
Interfaces force a strong contract. They make it harder to break the program.
"It's just not going to happen in the OpenSource world IMO, implementing someone's very good spec. isn't much fun
In that case then open source programs will continue to suffer from too many bugs.
" Duh, testing helps reduce bugs
Unit testing is different from regression testing and pre-release QA. By insisting on unit testing you will deliver cleaner code to the QA team.
" I specifically referred to the U.S. in my original post. And the Berne Convention is causing similar laws to be passed in the EU. Freenet nodes outside the civilized world of North America and Europe could be safe, I guess."
Oh the irony. Read that three times and lament.
"willfully blind"
You keep saying this. Is this an actual legal term or did you just make it up. I would like to know what the legal definition of this is. It seems to make all proxy servers and all server who don't log illegal.
"who wants to do testing? Everybody wants to be a developer, and the more new features, the more bang, the more people will be drawn to the program, so more often than not new features and frequent releases rather than testing are the focus."
There is a solution to this problem.
1) Stop using C. Use object oriented languages and languages that offer garbage collection. You will immediately reduce bugs by 80%
2) Make code more literate. Use pre and post conditions, demand that all contributors use lots of asserts. Make liberal use of interfaces.
3) Designate a few people as architects of the project. These people should do nothing but write and design interfaces and maybe write class stubs with pre and post conditions and have the rest of the team complete the classes.
4) Unit testing, unit testing, unit testing.
The idea is to minimize the need for QA as much as possible.
"Right, and the ones reasponsible are being held accountable, they are the focus and reason for the action that is being taken""
Many many people died in iraq. I don't know where you get the idea that it was only the people responsible getting punished. When you went over there to "hold them responsible" you and your comrades in arms destroyed power plants, water treatment facilities, communication facilites and all kinds of civillian infrastructre. On top of all that you used depleted uranium armament which caused an increased rate of birth defects. Combine all that with sanctions and the people of Iraq were punished severely for their portion of responsibility.
"My question is where do you draw the line? We need to start applying some common sense here."
Again I pointed out that you and your army buddies punished the entire iraqi people. Where did you draw the line? You didn't. You punished an entire country for decades for invading kuwait. But you yourself escaped punishment. I guess I draw the line in the same place that you did. That is I don't draw the line.
"There's a hole in NYC might be a small reason for us to take action."
I guess you are amongst those Amreicans you believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. I guess Lincoln was right. You can fool most of the people most of the time. George Bush repeated that lie enough times and it became the truth for most Americans despite total lack of evidence. I now feel it's foolish to try and talk to you any further. You are obviously easily convinced of anything.
Anyway. Three thousand people died in NY. When is your bloodlust going to be fulfilled. Wasn't it enough to kill tens of thousands of Afghanis? Wasn't it enough to invade and occupy Iraq and take over their oil supplies? Are you ever going to be feel satiated or are you going to continue to kill more people and ivade more countries forever to avenge the deaths of those three thousand people?
"Also 12 years of violation of the cease fire from the 91 Gulf war."
Was that enough of a reason to invade and occupy? If your threshold of invading is that low then god hep the rest of the world. In the mean time of course there are millions of people suffering under insane conditions while we stand by do nothing. I guess it sucks that they don't have oil.
"The person violated the law by dumping the toxic waste."
You didn't read my example. In my example the liberterians control the govt. There is no law against dumping toxic waste. In my example what the plant did was completely legal. Liberterians don't believe there should be environmental regulations and laws.
"Slick Willy and Gore's policies were to raise taxes and drop tariffs."
I think all of America is grateful that the Clinton era of peace and prosperity if finally over. We are much better off now under war, poverty and unemployement.
"To make a profit companies are moving to 3rd world countries."
Comapnies have been doing that for ever, they will continue to do it for ever. COmpanies have no morals or ethics. Eventually countried like China and the US will drastically increase their prison labor programs to compete against cheap labor overseas. They will also continue to incarcerate people at an increasing rate and rent them to corporations for cheap. Of course I predict it will not help. A few countries in Africa will re-instate slavery and all the corporations will move to that country as soon as it happens.
It's inevitable.
I can't read his mind only his words. His words said to support the freenet project. I figured that he meant what he said.
"It's WAY too large to rewrite in Java or some other cross platformable language."
This simply points out how shortsighted your CIO and your management was. They locked themselves into one platform and one vendor. Now they have jump everythime MS tells them to. Your company is now a faucet that delivers cold hard cash into MS coffers on a steady basis.
I feel bad for your sahreholders.
I think "support freenet" implies working to make it better don't you? I am pretty sure it does mean "whine some about how it does not do what you want".
"To some extent, but they also share some responsiblity for the action of the extreme factions they allow to flourish in their society."
This is exactly what I am saying. There are layers and percentages of responsiblity. The problem is that the iraqis were living in a dictatorship and you are living in a democracy. For that reason alone they (the common iraqui) shares less of the blame then you.
Here is the worst part. They are paying for their share of responsiblity with death and disease and poverty. You on the other hand have not been held responsible for your portion of the blame yet.
"Whe cannot bury our heads in the sand and do nothing, history will back up that point of view."
Yes we can and we do all the time. Not only do we stand by but frequently we agitate and instigate. Look at what we did in shouth and central America. Where do you get the notion that we can't just stand by and do nothing from? What did we do in Chile? Argentina? El Salvador? Guatamala? Palestine? Honestly where did you get that idea from? Where in history does it show that we can't just stand by?
We are standing by right now while all over the world people are being murdered, tortured, and opressed.
"We can though start somewhere and hold people accountable."
Hold who accountable for what and how. How is invading and occupying iraq and taking over the oil fields holding saddam accountable? How is invading iraq holding Osama accountable?
"If someone dumps toxic waste, hold the people acountable who are responsible."
Who is that actually? Take this scenario for example.
Let's pretend the US govt went all liberterian at the next election. The first thing they do is lift all the environmental regulations. Next the plant in your town starts pumping toxic waste into the river because it's much cheaper then cleaning shit up. Since you are an average person who can not afford the clean water delivered by the premium water company you purchase your water from the middle of the road water company which delivers mostly clean water. Next thing you know there is an alarming increase in birth defects. So you sue. You want to hold someone responsible. But who?
You sue the water company for delivering toxic water and they say "you can't prove it's us because you could have breathed the stuff or gotten it through contact". You can't sue the plant because they say "you got because you are drinking bad water, see these people who drank the premium water have less birth defects". In fact they then turn around and hold you responsible. In fact it's your fault for not buying better water, it's your fault for living so close to a toxic waste spewing plant. It's your fault for not getting better pre-natal care.
Whose fault is it? Who is responsible for your deformed baby?
"You cannot hold the person who bought the sneakers responsible for the plant manager dumping toxic waste in the river. Let's be real and apply some common sense here."
Sure you can. If that person didn't buy the sneakers then the company would have dumped a little less toxins. If people cared enough to buy from clean companies no toxins would be dumped at all.
I am not saying they are wholly responsible but they share some responsiblity. Even if it's one thousands of one percent.
" As for legalizing gambling? It's state controlled per the lottery. As for Prostitution what's wrong with it?"
I wasn't passing any judgements on whether prostitution or gambling or taking drugs was good or bad. The fact remains nobody can get elected to the presidency while advocating those things.
"As for suing everyone, they already have for a long time."
If you think it's bad now then you should definately abandon the liberterian party. Under the liberterian party it would multiply by a thousandfold. In the liberterian philosophy all arguments are settled by civil action.
"MMMMMMMMMMM Let's start holding people accountable for their own actions and stop trying to create a thought police."
You said that twice so you must really believe it. The problem is that people like you tend to believe that one and only person can ever be responsible for anything. If a corporation dumps toxic waste in the ocean the only person responsible is the guy who pulled the lever right?
The fact is that more often then not multiple entities shoulder proportions of the blame. You (that's you specifically) share some blame for the deaths of tens of thousands of iraqis. Not as much as the pilot who let go of the bomb, not as much as the president who started the war, not as much as general who gave the order but some responsiblity. Not just in iraq but all over the world people are being harmed, tortured, killed and abused and you bear some responsiblity. You would not believe how much evil gets committed in the name of sugar and cofee alone. Add to that cocoa, oil, diamonds and sneakers and you have enough bad karma on your head to last you a lifetime.
Since you are too ignorant to have followed the news during the war. Since you are too stupid and lazy to do your own research on google here you go.
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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/world/iraq/2003-03
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/j
http://www.poynter.org/dg.lts/id.36/aid.27035/c
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagena
I hope you are not too stupid and lazy to cut and paste.
"# #3. Yes, SQL Server doesn't support C# triggers or embedding C# apps -- WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT THAT -- seperate your database from your application. Lots of the technology you mentioned in your question are for seperating layers, and then you wanna do something SILLY like cram C# into the database."
.NET they rewrote the pet shop application using .NET. When they did that they rewrote major sections of the application as stored procedures. In fact they embedded a significant amount of business logic as stored procedures.
While this is generally a good idea you have to look at it from his perspective. When MS was comparing java to
In the Microsoft world this is a very accepted procedure. I think most MS development shops reoutinely load up the database with business logic.
Too funny. If you think corporations have too much power then give them more power and strip more power from the govt. Yes that'll fix things!.
Liberterianism is a lost cause. Nobody is going to elect a president who is for legalizing drugs, legalizing abortion, legalizing gambling, legalizing prostitution etc.
Also stipping the legislative and the executive branches of the govt to the bare minimum while shifting all governing to the jucial branch is a recipe for disaster. In a liberterian world everybody in the country will be suing everybody else all the time. All your time wasted in jammed up civil courts all your money wasted on lawyers.
What kind of a distopia is that?
" Given up on Media anyway."
If you want unbiased news your best bet is to look outside the country. Lucky for you english versions of most countries news outlets are available on the web.
During our invasion of iraq the best place to get news was from New Zealand, Chinese, and russian news outlets. Even CNN asia was much less biased then CNN US. Too bad I don't speak arabic it would have been interesting to hear what al zereera was saying. Of course they were not allowed to broadcast in english in the US. Shows you how much we value free speech huh?
Fact: The vote went along party lines. The democrats opposed it the republicans favored it.
"We all know they are ALL evil."
Not to the same degree.
"Now I remember why I read slashdot, for the non-biased even-handed reporting."
Where are you from? Did you just land on this planet? Who the hell gave you the idea that slashdot was a newspaper or that the people who run it are journalists?
This is for all practical purposes a Rupert Murdoch bill. If a politicianis on the Rupert Murdoch enemies list (I.E Democrats) then you want to oppose any bill giving him more power to demonize you to the public and call you a traitor or a terrorist. If you are a politician who benefits from Rupert Murdoch (I.E a republican) either directly by receiving money from him or indirectly from one of his many media outlets (Fox and such) then you want to give him even more power to call you a hero.
Yet another idiot modded up the wazoo.
This guy thinks it's impossible for an economy to have both socialistic and democratic elements in it.
Where did you go to school anyway? It's sad to see the US education system keep spitting out dunces like this.
Look shithead. Stupid is as stupid does. If you vote for republicans then you are a republican.
Youcould have written in any liberterian you wanted to but you chose to vote for republicans instead.
Deny it all you want but you are lying to yourself and the rest of the world.
Let me guess. You are a white mormon.
"Voting for a Republican or a Democrat does not make one a Republican or a Democrat."
consistently voting for republicans make you a republican. Never ever voting for a democrat makes you a republican. You are a helf hating republican who lives in a democratic state. In order to shield yourself from ridicule you pretend to be some sort of a liberterian. BTW I was not aware that there were only two democrats in the entire state of NY. You must have a legislature chuck full of republicans and liberterians huh?
Of course even at that you are inept. I have never heard of any liberterian that supports public schools. It goes against the philosophy of the liberterian party at it's core.
"You're just another individual who is anti-freedom."
you can do whatever you want. When you start spewing shit though I get to call you on it. That's freedom. Did I ever stop you from doing anything? Are so afraid of my words that you feel threatened. Exactly how have I threatened your freedom.
Also what good is your freedom when you are too cowardly to tell the truth to yourself.
Save the lecture. I and every body who has ever spend anytime in Utah knows what the deal is.
The next verssion of windows could detect mozilla and run it slow or erratic thereby negating any feature advantages.
Hell they could do that with a service pack.
Did you read the article. It was a big point. they wanted to upgrade on their own schedule and not microsoft's.
If you ever go to utah (and I have) you will notice two things. Two things people in Utah hate more then hippies and liberals are californians and new yorkers.
" and I normally don't call people that."
Liar.
"You don't know who I've voted for in the past, present, or who I will vote for in the future (I don't even know that)."
All you had to do was to disagree. All you had to do was to say "I voted for a democrat once" or "I voted for lots of democrats" or even "I have never voted for republicans or democrats because I always vote for liberterians".
You did not dispute anything I said and I presume this is because everything I said is the truth.
You never voted for a democrat. You often vote for republicans, you sometimes vote for liberterians"
I know you because I know lots of people like you. You are a republican but are afraid to say so. A self hating republican if you will.