Are you saying that the US bears zero responsibility for the deaths caused by the first gulf war, the destruction of critical infrastructure, and the years of sanctions?
"The coalition forces are not purposely targetting civilians, however, as war is ugly, collateral deaths are inevitable. I truly believe the coalition forces are doing everything possible to avoid killing civilians. "
That's not exactly right. We are using massive airpower and large bombs and cruise missles knowing full well that a few of them will stray and kill civilians. To us that's an acceptable risk because the alternative would be to send in ground troops and fight house to house.
We would rather risk their civilians lives then our soldiers lives and that's a cold hard fact. The lives of our soldiers are worth much more then the lives Iraqis.
Also of course most of the iraqi soldiers are draftees who are soldiers because the alternative is death. TO me they are pretty much civilians.
yes, sometimes the minority is right. When it comes to science though most of the time the minority is wrong. In this case the minority seems to mostly consist of crackpots and business types so take that for what it's worth.
"I see more credible proof for a lot of things _besides_ humans heating up the earth than for it - and I'm _against_ using oil."
After 9/11 all air traffic stopped for three days. the lack of contrails created a measurable difference in a whole host of environmental factors. If nothing else this proves beyond any reasonable doubt that humans impact the climate. Start your research here.
If you still think humans are incabable of effecting the atmosphere then you are truly misguided.
"Oh, and no - my country is not fully a US puppy."
Good for you. Is it one of the "coalition of the willing/bribed/threatened"?
"Say - you do know that there are other countries outside of the US - right?"
Yes supposedly those countries are sovereign. Of course if you live in Great Britain, Australia, israel or a handful of other countries you are just a suburb of the US and your governments are our pet dogs.
"But feel free to believe that democrats (I guess those are your Gods then) always tell the truth and that you know everything:)"
I said nothing about democrats. I have posted links to actual institutions of higher learning and governmental agencies. I have repeatedly stated that you should actually listen to scientists and not idialogs. The fact that you have not even understood (or read apparently) the posts that you are replying to is telling indeed.
"You shot down one of Google's links - now go and refute each and every one of them"
I don't need to. I acknowledge that there is dissent but that dissent is the minority. You seem to want latch your hopes on that minority while ignoring completely the majority of the scientists in this dicipline. All those reports have been argued against skillfully by people a lot smarter then me and who know a lot more about the subject then me. Once again read the posts you are replying to.
1) Junkscience.com is a republican propaganda site. It has nothing to do with actual science.
2) As I said before some scientists disagree about global warming just as some scientists believe that there are aliens visiting the earth in UFOs. The fact that these scientists exist is irrelevant because they make up a small minority.
3) The report is from 1997 perhaps you think that mankind has learned nothing in the last six years but trust me tremendous amount of data has been gathered between 1997 and today.
4) chemists are not meteorologists. Why not ask a psycologist, or a veterenarian while you are at it.
5) The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is a sham institution. It consists of a somebodies house!. Do a google search on it. The fact that you would even bother to post an article written by this so called "institute" illustrates exactly how gullable you are. Go check out the so called papers they publish every single one of them is nothing but republican propaganda. You are a foolish man please educate yourself as soon as possible.
"Most theories accepted as fact today regarding global warming either totally leave out the sun"
Total and utter bullshit. Most theories take into account not only variations in sun tempratures but also variants in the earths orbit and "wobble". I don't believe one second that you have even bothered to read 5 theories let alone "most" of them. You are simply parroting some idiological agenda.
"they ignore the fact that the abrubt raise we've seen has happened many times before (check the ice cores)"
One again bullshit. No widely accepted theory of global warming ignores this. None!
"even that the mean temperature of the earth has been a lot higher several million years ago than it is today."
Three strikes and you are out. The global warming theory relies very heavily on ice core samples. The climatologists know perfectly well historical data going back millions of years. How stupid are you think that people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying climatology are somehow ignorant of the weather patterns of history?
"Human induced? No way."
You keep believing that if it makes you feel better. Ignorance is bliss.
"Regarding "majority" and scientific research grants. Read up on the subject."
I have. The majority of meteorologists and climatologists emphatically agree that there is "global warming" (the phrase global warming is actually misleading "abrupt climate change" might be more descriptive in this case or even "Greenhouse effect"). There are some disagreements about how much and what causes it but there is very little argument about the fact that it's going on and that it has the potential to seriously disrupt life on this planet.
For people who are not ideologially incapable of absorbing useful information I urge you to visit some of the web sites listed here
Read what the actual scientists are saying and educate yourself. Please disregard the opinions of anybody who does not actually study climatology for a living (including myself). Meteorology is a very complex science and it takes years to understand the complex physics and mathematics involved. No radio talk show host, TV personality, slashdot poster, journalist, or CEO has even the remotest idea what goes into this subject. When some idiot from the chamber of commerce starts telling you that global warming is a myth ask him/her to do a second order differential or to plot even the simplest weather chart. If they can't they are full of shit.
" There are lots of climatologists with PHDs who _don't_ think humans have much to do with the current warming trend."
Do they represent a majority?
"However, your research only gets funded if you think we do, atm."
Bullshit. If your research shows that global warming is a myth big business and the republican party will throw tons of money at you and you will get an instant best seller.
"I see no reason why I should support the US conquering oil and lucrative re-building contracts, when the US is the biggest terrorist state there is."
Then stop buying American made products. If the overseas sales of Coke and Pepsi fell by 10% tommorow you can bet your ass the CEOs of those companies would call up Bush and make him back off. He does not give a flying fuck about the protesters but you can bet your ass he cares about the CEO of Coca Cola.
I actually want the number of dead iraqis. I have seen some sites which count the number of civillian dead but I am interested in how many human beings are killed by this war. That is a number I can't seem to find anywhere.
"Global warming" is a myth. A popular one, but a myth nonetheless. "Global cooling" - which was popular a few centuries ago - is actually more likely to happen."
And you would know better then those idiot climatologists with PHDs. Those liberal elite intellectual scintists are full of shit. Don't listen to scientists because radio talk show hosts know all there is to know about the climate.
"He exactly does not say that it is significant that Linux users are eating Windows marketshare."
No he is not. What he is saying is that of those people who switched to linux for development most switched from windows. This had nothing to do with users.
Ah yes because there are only two alternatives. No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much money you spend you will never be able to find another solution to your problem then burning wood/coal or nuclear energy. Really it's a black and white world. All complex problems have only two possible solutions and only two possible outcomes.
The majority of URBANITES like him. The big-city, know-it-alls in America's cultural freakshows such as NYC, Detroit, Philly, DC, LA, etc. The rest of the country despises Gore.
And yet those are the people most likely to buy Macs.
Farmers and ranchers in hicksville don't buy macs do they?
What would happen if the American consumer ever realized that people in other parts of the world are paying much less for the exact same product. Could you imagine if everybody in the US refused to get screwed? Now that would be something.
Especially when you are dealing with a juggernaut like MS. MS is HUGE. They have ownership in thousands of companies. Technically they could claim that if you listened to a fisher broadcasting radio station (like you could avoid that!) you have done business with MS. Of course they would have to somehow convince you to give them your email address but you get the point.
With some companies it's harder NOT to do business with them.
Wow I have a stalker!. That's kind of cool and creepy at the same time. Aren't there any cure girls in your high school to stalk though? Even if you are gay it would be better to stalk one of those boy bands them me!. Whatever makes you dick hard though I am not making any judgements. I am curious if you jerk off while reading my posts though if you do then maybe I can post some erotica for you.
As for shouting me down how do you intend to do that when you are fearful of posting with your real ID? As a coward you post at zero while I post with a +1. Seems silly.
"were you serious about those crappy programs substituting for MS Office? "
Hell yes. They work great. I am not stupid enough to spend a thousand dollars on software when I can get free software that's perfectly suitable to my needs.
"Do you also drink toilet water?"
I used to drink glenlevit almost exclusively but these days I seem to be drinking lagavulin, laphroaig, or oban. Some people refer to them as toilet water but I like them nevertheless. I hate paying for crappy software but I don't mind paying for nice scotch. A thousand dollars buys you a lot of nice scotch.
Exactly. The solution is to either scrap SMTP and build a new protocol or to fix it.
Make the sender que and store message until final acceptance, make it impossible to forge headers, give the power to reject the message to the end user based on metadata.
Slashdot Mirror
Are you saying that the US bears zero responsibility for the deaths caused by the first gulf war, the destruction of critical infrastructure, and the years of sanctions?
Zero responsiblity?
"The coalition forces are not purposely targetting civilians, however, as war is ugly, collateral deaths are inevitable. I truly believe the coalition forces are doing everything possible to avoid killing civilians. "
That's not exactly right. We are using massive airpower and large bombs and cruise missles knowing full well that a few of them will stray and kill civilians. To us that's an acceptable risk because the alternative would be to send in ground troops and fight house to house.
We would rather risk their civilians lives then our soldiers lives and that's a cold hard fact. The lives of our soldiers are worth much more then the lives Iraqis.
Also of course most of the iraqi soldiers are draftees who are soldiers because the alternative is death. TO me they are pretty much civilians.
"Who modded this retard and her/his americentric point of view up?"
Other Americans. DUH!
CNN is left wing if you live and breathe hatred for anybody who dares to disagree with you.
For example if you call death threats to democrats then you probably think CNN is left wing.
"No."
Ok let me guess.
New Zealand? or Canada?
"You are right that 9/11 (oh what I hate that date. A lot more people die every day on this earth - I don't see americans crying over that)"
A little under three thousand people died that day. That many people die every week in the US from smoking!
"However - that probably helps cool the earth if anything."
Please educate yourself. Really this kind posting only makes you look foolish. It's better not to say anything then silly statements like that.
" Hint: The minority is sometimes right"
yes, sometimes the minority is right. When it comes to science though most of the time the minority is wrong. In this case the minority seems to mostly consist of crackpots and business types so take that for what it's worth.
"I see more credible proof for a lot of things _besides_ humans heating up the earth than for it - and I'm _against_ using oil."
After 9/11 all air traffic stopped for three days. the lack of contrails created a measurable difference in a whole host of environmental factors. If nothing else this proves beyond any reasonable doubt that humans impact the climate. Start your research here.
If you still think humans are incabable of effecting the atmosphere then you are truly misguided.
"Oh, and no - my country is not fully a US puppy."
Good for you. Is it one of the "coalition of the willing/bribed/threatened"?
"And that's it?"
No. It also supports imap over SSL. To me that's the main feature but I also like it for lots of other reasons.
"Say - you do know that there are other countries outside of the US - right?"
:)"
Yes supposedly those countries are sovereign. Of course if you live in Great Britain, Australia, israel or a handful of other countries you are just a suburb of the US and your governments are our pet dogs.
"But feel free to believe that democrats (I guess those are your Gods then) always tell the truth and that you know everything
I said nothing about democrats. I have posted links to actual institutions of higher learning and governmental agencies. I have repeatedly stated that you should actually listen to scientists and not idialogs. The fact that you have not even understood (or read apparently) the posts that you are replying to is telling indeed.
"You shot down one of Google's links - now go and refute each and every one of them"
I don't need to. I acknowledge that there is dissent but that dissent is the minority. You seem to want latch your hopes on that minority while ignoring completely the majority of the scientists in this dicipline. All those reports have been argued against skillfully by people a lot smarter then me and who know a lot more about the subject then me. Once again read the posts you are replying to.
" http://www.junkscience.com/news/robinson.htm"
Oh where to start with this one.
1) Junkscience.com is a republican propaganda site. It has nothing to do with actual science.
2) As I said before some scientists disagree about global warming just as some scientists believe that there are aliens visiting the earth in UFOs. The fact that these scientists exist is irrelevant because they make up a small minority.
3) The report is from 1997 perhaps you think that mankind has learned nothing in the last six years but trust me tremendous amount of data has been gathered between 1997 and today.
4) chemists are not meteorologists. Why not ask a psycologist, or a veterenarian while you are at it.
5) The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine is a sham institution. It consists of a somebodies house!. Do a google search on it. The fact that you would even bother to post an article written by this so called "institute" illustrates exactly how gullable you are. Go check out the so called papers they publish every single one of them is nothing but republican propaganda. You are a foolish man please educate yourself as soon as possible.
"Most theories accepted as fact today regarding global warming either totally leave out the sun"
Total and utter bullshit. Most theories take into account not only variations in sun tempratures but also variants in the earths orbit and "wobble". I don't believe one second that you have even bothered to read 5 theories let alone "most" of them. You are simply parroting some idiological agenda.
"they ignore the fact that the abrubt raise we've seen has happened many times before (check the ice cores)"
One again bullshit. No widely accepted theory of global warming ignores this. None!
"even that the mean temperature of the earth has been a lot higher several million years ago than it is today."
Three strikes and you are out. The global warming theory relies very heavily on ice core samples. The climatologists know perfectly well historical data going back millions of years. How stupid are you think that people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying climatology are somehow ignorant of the weather patterns of history?
"Human induced? No way."
You keep believing that if it makes you feel better. Ignorance is bliss.
"Regarding "majority" and scientific research grants. Read up on the subject."
I have. The majority of meteorologists and climatologists emphatically agree that there is "global warming" (the phrase global warming is actually misleading "abrupt climate change" might be more descriptive in this case or even "Greenhouse effect"). There are some disagreements about how much and what causes it but there is very little argument about the fact that it's going on and that it has the potential to seriously disrupt life on this planet.
For people who are not ideologially incapable of absorbing useful information I urge you to visit some of the web sites listed here
Read what the actual scientists are saying and educate yourself. Please disregard the opinions of anybody who does not actually study climatology for a living (including myself). Meteorology is a very complex science and it takes years to understand the complex physics and mathematics involved. No radio talk show host, TV personality, slashdot poster, journalist, or CEO has even the remotest idea what goes into this subject. When some idiot from the chamber of commerce starts telling you that global warming is a myth ask him/her to do a second order differential or to plot even the simplest weather chart. If they can't they are full of shit.
" There are lots of climatologists with PHDs who _don't_ think humans have much to do with the current warming trend."
Do they represent a majority?
"However, your research only gets funded if you think we do, atm."
Bullshit. If your research shows that global warming is a myth big business and the republican party will throw tons of money at you and you will get an instant best seller.
"I see no reason why I should support the US conquering oil and lucrative re-building contracts, when the US is the biggest terrorist state there is."
Then stop buying American made products. If the overseas sales of Coke and Pepsi fell by 10% tommorow you can bet your ass the CEOs of those companies would call up Bush and make him back off. He does not give a flying fuck about the protesters but you can bet your ass he cares about the CEO of Coca Cola.
BTW Kellogg is a subsidiary of Haliburton.
I actually want the number of dead iraqis. I have seen some sites which count the number of civillian dead but I am interested in how many human beings are killed by this war. That is a number I can't seem to find anywhere.
"Global warming" is a myth. A popular one, but a myth nonetheless. "Global cooling" - which was popular a few centuries ago - is actually more likely to happen."
And you would know better then those idiot climatologists with PHDs. Those liberal elite intellectual scintists are full of shit. Don't listen to scientists because radio talk show hosts know all there is to know about the climate.
ironic you have to go to a chinese web site to get news. I wish the US had free press.
"He exactly does not say that it is significant that Linux users are eating Windows marketshare."
No he is not. What he is saying is that of those people who switched to linux for development most switched from windows. This had nothing to do with users.
You are missing the point entirely.
His point is that people develop for Linux switched from windows.
In other words Linux is eating into the Windows developer mindshare and that's a significant outcome (if his conclusion is true that is).
Ah yes because there are only two alternatives. No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much money you spend you will never be able to find another solution to your problem then burning wood/coal or nuclear energy. Really it's a black and white world. All complex problems have only two possible solutions and only two possible outcomes.
The majority of URBANITES like him. The big-city, know-it-alls in America's cultural freakshows such as NYC, Detroit, Philly, DC, LA, etc. The rest of the country despises Gore.
And yet those are the people most likely to buy Macs.
Farmers and ranchers in hicksville don't buy macs do they?
"but the open relay is enabling the spammer."
Why is that? Every copy of windows 2000 comes with a SMTP server right? Why do you need a open relay anymore?
Makes you wonder.
What would happen if the American consumer ever realized that people in other parts of the world are paying much less for the exact same product. Could you imagine if everybody in the US refused to get screwed? Now that would be something.
"The "done business" change is iffy"
Especially when you are dealing with a juggernaut like MS. MS is HUGE. They have ownership in thousands of companies. Technically they could claim that if you listened to a fisher broadcasting radio station (like you could avoid that!) you have done business with MS. Of course they would have to somehow convince you to give them your email address but you get the point.
With some companies it's harder NOT to do business with them.
He was saying people buy office but only use word (well he also said something about pointless graphs in excel).
Mostly it's letting somebody else do the research for you. MS uses apple for research, OSS uses MS for research.
Wow I have a stalker!. That's kind of cool and creepy at the same time. Aren't there any cure girls in your high school to stalk though? Even if you are gay it would be better to stalk one of those boy bands them me!. Whatever makes you dick hard though I am not making any judgements. I am curious if you jerk off while reading my posts though if you do then maybe I can post some erotica for you.
As for shouting me down how do you intend to do that when you are fearful of posting with your real ID? As a coward you post at zero while I post with a +1. Seems silly.
"were you serious about those crappy programs substituting for MS Office? "
Hell yes. They work great. I am not stupid enough to spend a thousand dollars on software when I can get free software that's perfectly suitable to my needs.
"Do you also drink toilet water?"
I used to drink glenlevit almost exclusively but these days I seem to be drinking lagavulin, laphroaig, or oban. Some people refer to them as toilet water but I like them nevertheless. I hate paying for crappy software but I don't mind paying for nice scotch. A thousand dollars buys you a lot of nice scotch.
Exactly. The solution is to either scrap SMTP and build a new protocol or to fix it.
Make the sender que and store message until final acceptance, make it impossible to forge headers, give the power to reject the message to the end user based on metadata.
Simple really.