Many western states have VAST areas of "empty" land. Have you ever traveled the northern tier highway (90)? Look at Montana, the dakotas, new mexico arizona etc.
"Sadly some of us do consider human life cheap (It's very easy to make, and will be around a long long time)."
It kind of depends doesn't it. My life is precious, the lives of a million iraquis are worthless. Throw hundreds of cruise missiles into bagdad but don't harm a hair on my head.
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Their jobs page won't let you in unless you are using IE.
If I am on your foes list why do you keep posting replies to my messages? Also why do you keep posting anonymously? Are you really that ashamed of your own words and thoughts?
"My point: You can drive a rusted-out '68 Pinto instead of a Lexus for a FRACTION OF THE COST!!!"
Wow you must be a big fan of mine. For those who don't get it this AC is making a reference to an old joke of mine. It went like this.
"Windows 2000 is better then windows 98 like a 78 Pinto is better then a 74 Pinto".
Your memory must be weak though because you got the years wrong. OTOH maybe it's not your memory but your intellect in general that's failing you. I'll let your post speak for your intelligence.
Is that office professional or standard? How much did you pay for visio, publisher, mappoint and the rest of the software. If we presumed that you paid anywhere between $50 and $100 for those pieces of software then you are out anywhere from $300.00 to $500.00 dollars. Maybe you have a rich daddy paying for your education but when I was going to school $300.00 was a lot of money.
Also of course not everybody is a student. Some people are out of school and working for a living. They have lives and kids and mortgages. For those people who actually work and pay taxes a thousand dollars is a lot of money to pay for software especially if there are many free of lower cost alternatives.
BTW I see that you are still afraid to post with your real slashdot ID why is that?
Well I did. here is the link. Ms Office Professional. $519.00 from warehouse.com. It does not include project, nor project server, no visio, no MapPoint, or Publisher. All of those cost extra.
Let's do a quick calculation shall we.
Office Pro $519.00 Visio Professional $439.95 Publisher Deluxe 139.95
And sorry warehouse does not sell mappoint and insight does not publish their prices on it so let's presume that mappoint is actually free. What have totaled so far? Why it's over $1098.00.
I am glad you Mr Anonymous Coward posted that message. I now feel proud to have educated not only you but all other slashdot users on where they can get quality Ms products and how much they should expect to pay for it.
For those users who are interested in getting most of the functionality of Office for free or a fraction of the cost may I reccomend the following links.
Please people don't get ripped off voluntarily it makes you look stupid. I am sure you can put that thousand dollars to better use right? Don't you kids need dentures or a collage education?
"My boss doesn't read Wired, and he sure as hell doesn't listen to speeches by people he's never heard of."
Amazing. He has never heard of Linus Torwalds or Bruce Perens? Ok I understand he doesn't read Wired but is there a magazine in the world that hasn't written about linux othen then maybe TV guide.
"To my mind, the best way to get the message across effectively would be a month-long campaign of full-page ads in the business magazines that we don't read but our managers do."
Both IBM and HP are doing this. IBM even features Linux prominently on TV ads.
Like I said the message is out there, it's where the intended audience can see it and uderstand it. It's just that the audience does not want to listen. The audience (the CIOs) want to be wined and dined and taken to golf junkets but MS sales reps. If you want to sell linux learn to play golf because most CIOs in the world make decisions based only on the quality of the golf course they are taken to. Maybe the sales reps at IBM know how to play golf.
"You can sit there and conclude that he's stupid, or you can entertain the thought that perhaps we're not communicating as effectively as possible."
I really don't think this the problem. What else could anybody say? How many web sites have to have to explain the GPL before people can get it? How many speeches by Bruce Perens, Linus Torwalds have to be made over and over. How many more books and magazine articles need to be written.
You can explain till your blue in the face but if the audience is hell bent on ignoring you then you'll never succeed.
"There are also people whose job it is to smear free software, and the GPL happens to be the easiest thing to confuse people with. Otherwise, free software is just like stuff on the shelf, only you don't have to pay. Easy."
Honestly now. What percentage of the companies of the world make money selling software? Those are the only companies that need to even think about the GPL. The rest can use it and modify it their hearts content as long as they don't redistribute.
The whole GPL-is-a-virus bullshit effects less then 1% of the businesses in the world.
That and the they have to report the loss to the IRS, inform their investors and wall street that they lost that much money and actually adjust their books to account for it.
"The error in your reasoning is the presumption that increased jail terms will deter this type of crime."
The error in your reasoning is the presumption that criminal penalties are imposed in order to deter crime.
Given the high rate of recivitism it should be obvious that jail time never deters crime. The purpose of punishment is to get dangerous people off the streets and into an evirnonment where they will not do further damage to the general population.
If the CIA decided to spy on the us citizens would anybody know? Could anybody punish them? Who would make them stop? Would they be stupid enough to get caught? Could they frame anybody they want to shift the blame? Could you take them to court and win?
Why did they come to that conclusion? No law says we can't use Linux or Mac. Lots of people do. Most people would agree both are better than Windows."
I don't think you know the legal meaning of monopoly. Look it up. I'll give you a hint. It does not mean you are unable to buy or use any other product.
Why wouln't pakistan, china, russia, iran or a dozen other countries not give them help? A lot of people hate us you know. You think there is not one russian or chinese scientist who wishes he could hurt the US?
"It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine Queda performing North American attacks for Hussein."
It is very much a stretch. Iraq is a secular govt and therefore considered evil by Bin Laden. In the most recent tape Bin LAden refered to iraq as a "communist" nation which is a huge insult as far as Bin Laden is concerned. The only reason Hussein would help Al Quada is if he himself was threathened and he thought Bin LAden could either deter ot extract revenge. Oh wait a minute never mind that last bit.
Even if it was PROBABLE I still say it's a bit silly to drop hundreds of cruise missles on a country because they MIGHT help somebody who then MIGHT attack the US. If that was your criterea for war then you might as well add russia, china, north korea, yemen, iran, egypt, libya, and dozens of other countries all over the world to your list of people to invade.
Finally chemical weapons are pretty easy to make bin laden does not really need saddams help in that. He can get fissible materials from iran and north korea, pakistan and even china.
"That would be it. Just that city.... well not just that city. It would be a very hard blow, of course. But that in and of itself won't bring the US to it's knees. It'll sting for a while, but we'll come through it."
It depends on the city. If he took out NY then the US would REALLY suffer bad. Look what hitting two buildings did to the economy. If he took out redmond then the US would be crippled for decades. Imagine if the price of MS stock hit zero overnight. Imagine what kind of a hit that would be on the US and worldwide economy.
And yet your chances of being killed by iraq are nill. You have a better chance of winning the lottery then being killed by iraq. Your chances of being effected by palladium OTOH is almost 100%.
"they" are worrying about the wrong thing. "They" are also incapable of worrying about more then one thing at a time. "They" worry about whatever the media tells them to worry about.
"Isn't the reality that the content creators would be the ones locking everything up? Who says MS is going to for them?"
MS is a content provider too. In fact they are one of the biggest content producers in the world. MS produces software which is content. MS develops games which are content. MS has stake in many media companies which produce content including web sites, radio stations, and video production companies.
Let's not make a silly distinction between "content providers" and MS.
"Funny, the small rural states are usually the ones that are the most fiecely independent."
It is indeed one of the greatest ironies of the American landscape. The greatest leeches on the back of the taxpayer are the ones who hate the government the most. Go ask any farmer or rancher what he thinks of welfare and you'll get an earful, ask them to give up subsidies or pay fair market prices for grazing fees and they'll throw a fit like you have never seen.
There is a joke out in the west, it goes like this. Why do farmers want to be buried in shallow graves? It's so that they could keep their hand out.
"Politicians love to spend other people's money, that's all there is to it."
It's what we elect them for. We elect politicians who promise to tax other people and spend that money on us. It's called bringing home the bacon.
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Many western states have VAST areas of "empty" land. Have you ever traveled the northern tier highway (90)? Look at Montana, the dakotas, new mexico arizona etc.
"Sadly some of us do consider human life cheap (It's very easy to make, and will be around a long long time)."
It kind of depends doesn't it. My life is precious, the lives of a million iraquis are worthless. Throw hundreds of cruise missiles into bagdad but don't harm a hair on my head.
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If I am on your foes list why do you keep posting replies to my messages? Also why do you keep posting anonymously? Are you really that ashamed of your own words and thoughts?
"My point: You can drive a rusted-out '68 Pinto instead of a Lexus for a FRACTION OF THE COST!!!"
Wow you must be a big fan of mine. For those who don't get it this AC is making a reference to an old joke of mine. It went like this.
"Windows 2000 is better then windows 98 like a 78 Pinto is better then a 74 Pinto".
Your memory must be weak though because you got the years wrong. OTOH maybe it's not your memory but your intellect in general that's failing you. I'll let your post speak for your intelligence.
Now THAT's funny!
Is that office professional or standard? How much did you pay for visio, publisher, mappoint and the rest of the software. If we presumed that you paid anywhere between $50 and $100 for those pieces of software then you are out anywhere from $300.00 to $500.00 dollars. Maybe you have a rich daddy paying for your education but when I was going to school $300.00 was a lot of money.
Also of course not everybody is a student. Some people are out of school and working for a living. They have lives and kids and mortgages. For those people who actually work and pay taxes a thousand dollars is a lot of money to pay for software especially if there are many free of lower cost alternatives.
BTW I see that you are still afraid to post with your real slashdot ID why is that?
Well I did. here is the link. Ms Office Professional. $519.00 from warehouse.com. It does not include project, nor project server, no visio, no MapPoint, or Publisher. All of those cost extra.
Let's do a quick calculation shall we.
Office Pro $519.00
Visio Professional $439.95
Publisher Deluxe 139.95
And sorry warehouse does not sell mappoint and insight does not publish their prices on it so let's presume that mappoint is actually free. What have totaled so far? Why it's over $1098.00.
I am glad you Mr Anonymous Coward posted that message. I now feel proud to have educated not only you but all other slashdot users on where they can get quality Ms products and how much they should expect to pay for it.
For those users who are interested in getting most of the functionality of Office for free or a fraction of the cost may I reccomend the following links.
Open office
KDE/Koffice
The Kompany
602 Office
IBM/Lotus
Corel
Please people don't get ripped off voluntarily it makes you look stupid. I am sure you can put that thousand dollars to better use right? Don't you kids need dentures or a collage education?
"My boss doesn't read Wired, and he sure as hell doesn't listen to speeches by people he's never heard of."
Amazing. He has never heard of Linus Torwalds or Bruce Perens? Ok I understand he doesn't read Wired but is there a magazine in the world that hasn't written about linux othen then maybe TV guide.
"To my mind, the best way to get the message across effectively would be a month-long campaign of full-page ads in the business magazines that we don't read but our managers do."
Both IBM and HP are doing this. IBM even features Linux prominently on TV ads.
Like I said the message is out there, it's where the intended audience can see it and uderstand it. It's just that the audience does not want to listen. The audience (the CIOs) want to be wined and dined and taken to golf junkets but MS sales reps. If you want to sell linux learn to play golf because most CIOs in the world make decisions based only on the quality of the golf course they are taken to. Maybe the sales reps at IBM know how to play golf.
Since when are Project and Project Server in Office?
"You can sit there and conclude that he's stupid, or you can entertain the thought that perhaps we're not communicating as effectively as possible."
I really don't think this the problem. What else could anybody say? How many web sites have to have to explain the GPL before people can get it? How many speeches by Bruce Perens, Linus Torwalds have to be made over and over. How many more books and magazine articles need to be written.
You can explain till your blue in the face but if the audience is hell bent on ignoring you then you'll never succeed.
"There are also people whose job it is to smear free software, and the GPL happens to be the easiest thing to confuse people with. Otherwise, free software is just like stuff on the shelf, only you don't have to pay. Easy."
Bingo.
Honestly now. What percentage of the companies of the world make money selling software? Those are the only companies that need to even think about the GPL. The rest can use it and modify it their hearts content as long as they don't redistribute.
The whole GPL-is-a-virus bullshit effects less then 1% of the businesses in the world.
My we are being brave today.
That and the they have to report the loss to the IRS, inform their investors and wall street that they lost that much money and actually adjust their books to account for it.
"The error in your reasoning is the presumption that increased jail terms will deter this type of crime."
The error in your reasoning is the presumption that criminal penalties are imposed in order to deter crime.
Given the high rate of recivitism it should be obvious that jail time never deters crime. The purpose of punishment is to get dangerous people off the streets and into an evirnonment where they will not do further damage to the general population.
If the CIA decided to spy on the us citizens would anybody know? Could anybody punish them? Who would make them stop? Would they be stupid enough to get caught? Could they frame anybody they want to shift the blame? Could you take them to court and win?
An anoynous coward sprouting the standard rebulican hate machine rhetoric gets modded up to interesting.
Only on slashdot.
Make up your own mind.
"Microsoft is a monopoly.
Why did they come to that conclusion? No law says we can't use Linux or Mac. Lots of people do. Most people would agree both are better than Windows."
I don't think you know the legal meaning of monopoly. Look it up. I'll give you a hint. It does not mean you are unable to buy or use any other product.
Why wouln't pakistan, china, russia, iran or a dozen other countries not give them help? A lot of people hate us you know. You think there is not one russian or chinese scientist who wishes he could hurt the US?
"It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine Queda performing North American attacks for Hussein."
It is very much a stretch. Iraq is a secular govt and therefore considered evil by Bin Laden. In the most recent tape Bin LAden refered to iraq as a "communist" nation which is a huge insult as far as Bin Laden is concerned. The only reason Hussein would help Al Quada is if he himself was threathened and he thought Bin LAden could either deter ot extract revenge. Oh wait a minute never mind that last bit.
Even if it was PROBABLE I still say it's a bit silly to drop hundreds of cruise missles on a country because they MIGHT help somebody who then MIGHT attack the US. If that was your criterea for war then you might as well add russia, china, north korea, yemen, iran, egypt, libya, and dozens of other countries all over the world to your list of people to invade.
Finally chemical weapons are pretty easy to make bin laden does not really need saddams help in that. He can get fissible materials from iran and north korea, pakistan and even china.
"That would be it. Just that city.... well not just that city. It would be a very hard blow, of course. But that in and of itself won't bring the US to it's knees. It'll sting for a while, but we'll come through it."
It depends on the city. If he took out NY then the US would REALLY suffer bad. Look what hitting two buildings did to the economy. If he took out redmond then the US would be crippled for decades. Imagine if the price of MS stock hit zero overnight. Imagine what kind of a hit that would be on the US and worldwide economy.
And yet your chances of being killed by iraq are nill. You have a better chance of winning the lottery then being killed by iraq. Your chances of being effected by palladium OTOH is almost 100%.
"they" are worrying about the wrong thing. "They" are also incapable of worrying about more then one thing at a time. "They" worry about whatever the media tells them to worry about.
"Isn't the reality that the content creators would be the ones locking everything up? Who says MS is going to for them?"
MS is a content provider too. In fact they are one of the biggest content producers in the world. MS produces software which is content. MS develops games which are content. MS has stake in many media companies which produce content including web sites, radio stations, and video production companies.
Let's not make a silly distinction between "content providers" and MS.
"Funny, the small rural states are usually the ones that are the most fiecely independent."
It is indeed one of the greatest ironies of the American landscape. The greatest leeches on the back of the taxpayer are the ones who hate the government the most. Go ask any farmer or rancher what he thinks of welfare and you'll get an earful, ask them to give up subsidies or pay fair market prices for grazing fees and they'll throw a fit like you have never seen.
There is a joke out in the west, it goes like this. Why do farmers want to be buried in shallow graves? It's so that they could keep their hand out.
"Politicians love to spend other people's money, that's all there is to it."
It's what we elect them for. We elect politicians who promise to tax other people and spend that money on us. It's called bringing home the bacon.
To MS and MS employees all open source developers are cancerous communists. He was just being polite calling you a wannabe.