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Where are you from Sir? I know many Gypsies, everyone calls himself (as self-description) "Gypsy"! I find it at least both comic and tragic to have some (left-wing) "anti-racists" trying to re-define an ethnicity in which they do NOT belong!
Some other old Greek song about "arapines" (magic nights) - the word is about "(sand-)niggers" as a non-Greek may call them offensively, but in Greek (and the rest of the word) it was not "offensive"... until some (left-wing) "anti-racists" decided that it is now! The guy singing the song is a Greek actor, that is also a Greek politician... in a party those (left-wing) "anti-racists" belong also! The ironic fact about the "arapines" word (which you probably read as a word for the first time in your life): arapines use it to describe themselves!!!
Again my question: Where are you from Sir?
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You may want to read my reply to an actual (i believe) Gypsy, and mostly what HE wrote!
I understand that many people (especialy those less educated) may think that "since it's in a recycling bin, it's not real theft", but the economics of recycling depend on those aluminum cans staying in the recycling bin - without them there is no point of any recycling business to operate, which means no recycling for the plastics also...
Many people here in Greece tell me that i am too hard (e.g., "you can't expect a poor Gypsy/illegal immigrant to starve himself just because you want recycling to work"), but we must at least use the right term: theft - society can not blame recycling businesses as "greedy" and demand operating, when people don't even want to acknowledge that fact.
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AS a Gypsy all I have to say is if it wasn't free then why was it on the side of the road.
Ha! Usually i don't trust anonymous when they state their ethnicity, but you just wrote the exact answer i got from an actual Gypsy, so... as a Greek i salute you*!
If crime was not your main "job" and you did not had that anti-social behaviour (sorry about that, but as a Gypsy you know what i mean... ) i could support the idea to have Gypsies as the exclusive contractors for any recycling done anywhere based on "cultural rights", just because you Gypries were in the recycling business long before a name existed for that, i.e., for some milleniums!
* an old Greek song (composed and signed by Greeks) titled: crazy Gypsy (where are you going? take me with you!) - just to make our "peace" for that "crime" statement (you know the truth... let's leave libtarded barbarians living inside their ignorance: do you know that the new name for you is "Rom", and "Gypsy" is now something only a racist Greek like me would use? Probably not, but that is what the modern anti-racist "social justice war" brought to you: a new name to define youselves!)
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Every waste disposal stream has costs.
That is something we must teach kids even from kindergarten, so they will remeber it when they become autonomous consumers (if they are not already...).
The choice is what we're willing to pay to deal with it.
The choices are a) if we are willing to pay b) how much, if yes - since in reality for "a" the answer is always "yes" (even in the most uncivilized societies *some* "waste disposal" *must* be done), civilized societies must choose how much to pay for "waste disposal AND recycling".
That, and most Americans are too fucking lazy to sort, or have any kind of care in avoiding contamination (or even learning what that means).
If we Greeks can do it, Americans can do it better. I don't believe Americans are so lazy to sort: they just don't know how important is for minimizing the cost of their "waste disposal (AND recycling)" - if they are informed about the issue they will do the right thing (Americans were sensitive about recycling long before we Greeks were).
In Greece we don't sort further than "for dump and for recycling". The major problem in Greece is that gypsies and illegal immigrants... illegaly sort further the "for recycling" bins! The recycling organizations loose the valuable stuff (e.g., aluminum cans) that gets stolen from the recycle bins from them, and they end up with only the less profitable (or unprofitable) "garbage", so it becomes problematic for them to continue operating
That Greek lady mentioned in the/. summary, Valerie Androutsopoulos, is married to some other Greek, Angelos, that, while he is a computer programmer, own some recycling companies, both in Greece and USA. They understand the cost factors for, and how to operate the, recycling business, i hope others can do the society's education for the importance of that business (e.g., teachers - the way it is done in Greece... good values should start from family/school, as early as possible).
You can't avoid Greek in any "barbaric" language (in the same way French people can't avoid English nowdays, regardless of how much they try!) - in the Soylent news story "Is the Internet a Failed Utopia?" the other guy mentioned as an example of Greek support, you already have the word "Utopia" as a problematic (Greek originating) English term, because if it is an "a/u-topos" already, then it makes no-sense (even in English - from my signature: Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names.").
"Make a version of/. in Greek"? Sorry, but it's a bad idea dude - like every other Greek... i can't stand Greeks!
Since i am a (Greek Orthodox - almost similiar to Roman Catholic) Christian, i am an "idealist" (i.e., my religion, among other things, deals with what is needed to be done for both my personal and also world's salvation) - this idealism is transferred to both me and humanity by my church (i.e., the "pragmatic" living organization that knows that humans are not saved yet, so they must be helped achieving their salvation).
I, as my church, am anti-sex outside marriage and pro-sex inside marriage - this is both idealistic and pragmatic solution for (most) abortions, like it is abstinence instead of condom/using a diaphragm/using birth control pills. Of course people must choose between their way or God's way - they are free, as God intended, but they can choose the good advise of the church IF they are religious! This "idealism-pragmatism dipole" can be examined as just a gap capable to be bridged - and this is the role of the church: making people like YOU, who are honest enough to accept truths, live in a way compatible with God's will. Don't forget that the church is not a home for Saints (those are in heaven!), but for sinful humans that live in earth... like me for example...
So: you just found an idealist who does not hate you my brother (in Christ)!
A (Greek) hymn to Virgin Mary: singing people with sins, recognizing their full of sins existence and asking help to be saved - note: the words are hard when they describe their sinful existance, but also cheerful because of their trust to... you know!
I am a sexist (i.e., i believe that -both biological and cultural based- differences between males and females exist... i even find many/most of them good for society/humanity plus for each sex), but i agree with your whole message and, since it covers me fully, i will repeat this "If we're to have true equality, we have to acknowledge these differences, rather than trying to make one gender behave as the other, or pretending these differences don't exist" of yours (at least concerning the biological factors, because i don't want to drag you in my cultural sexism) - just watching people deny science in the way many/most gender equaility advocates do... well, it makes me even more sexist than i already am, but in a worse way!
I can not disagree or agree with what you write because i am ignorant about those things, but the same (common) experiment has been done/repeated in various development stages (e.g., 1 month, 3 months, 1 year, old babies), only to have some people claim "but the results are not because of nature since they have been effected by nurture" - define some age where the result will be credible (i.e., babies developed enough to make a choise on their own, not effected by upbringing) and you will have the same gender based differences.
I am afraid that you may be right - i really try to be informed about foreign to me cultures (some of them i respect/like very much)... but i don't know anything about the Hawaiian "culture" (other than the usual "native touristic sub-culture")!
Used already for Fedora's (o.k., i know, but someone must prepare for the next RHEL!) development (a.k.a. "rawhide") version, to be released around late October as version 23.
You are welcomed my friend, but i originaly watched it thanks to a post from the fellow Slashdoter "popo" so some/most credit should go to him! (i could not remember him when i posted the comment a couple of hour ago, but now i searched one of my older comments where i mention him... you know what kind of stories Slashdot likes to report...)
Anyway, for a sexist person like me all those facts shown in this great documentary are known, but this great documentary has that extra part where extreme (left-wing) European "social scientists" deny science in a shocking way - i am European (Greek), and i have to deal with that kind of persons all the time, but at least in Greece this "political correctness" is not so extreme (yet)... honestly (please my Nothern European friends, don't get angry, you know what i mean), i never expected a Norwegian documentary to expose that "ultra-feministic" unscientific hypocrisy/fanaticism/stupidity... so, my respect to the (few...) remaining real Vikings (the last of the Mohicans!!!???), like the guy making this documentary.
Sorry about that, i know most Yankees probably can not understand my rant, but... you don't know what it means to be a male in Europe (i am afraid that soon it would be illegal to pee standing up - it is not fair to females who must do it sitting down).
Since i already wrote about that "Apple privacy" irony (that you recognize also), i just want to agree with you about the description of DuckDuckGo - i respect what they try/claim to do, but i am glad that i am not the only one who thinks that "It's slower than google, its results are far less accurate, its interface is dated, it has no, not a single, feature that reaches the levels of the big squid. Its only redeeming feature (and just think what people are willing to put up with just to get that one!) is that it does not track.".
You need to go to the Answers in Genesis website. Seriously, you'll get affirmation there. Here people will end up baiting you - as they have.
But modding down at -1 flamebait this comment (that was originaly posted at +1)? I guess my fellow Slashdoters did not liked dissecting frogs in their biology lessons when they were in school... i can't think any other reason!
I'd accept the "abortion is murder" argument form a person who also believed that all killing of other people is murder. Unfortunately, not many do. Most of them just love to kill people in religion based wars, or for gathering firewood on the sabbath.
As a Christian: all killing of other people is murder (i exclude accidents) - your turn now!
At 22.22 of the video: a test on newborn (one day old!) babies, where they present them a mechanical object and a face: boys look longer on mechanical object, girls look longer on face!
Both genders should have the same opportunities. They don't necessarily have the same interests.
And the more "gender equality on opportunities" for a society, the more evident the -biology based- gender differences on interests becomes (since boys choose boy toys/jobs and girls choose girl toys/jobs, because they feel free to choose what they like): a great documentary (first watch it after a fellow Slashdoter posted a couple of months ago) from -maybe the most "gender equality" society of the world- Norway (with English subtitles), called "The Gender Equality Paradox", with -among other things- scientists proving the gender biological differences (with "toy experiments" on children), plus... "religious feminists" ignoring science!
note: the documentary was made from a usual extreme political correct Norwegian person... not a sexist Greek like me - so: watch it!
And just the idea of a "(native) culture deserving protection" is a proof that this "culture" does not exist actually. I am a Greek, my culture is "protected" by the Western Civilization, in the same way Roman culture is - and if we even consider less influencial (for the world than the Greek) and more "exotic" (to the "dominant Western") cultures: a Greek choir singing a Zulu song... if something good (or just something... anything!) exist it would be preserved by just existing!
In some wild life parks the "good guys" cut the horns from rhinoceros as a way to protect them from the "bad guys", so a "prosthetic horn" is dangerous idea actually.
Many people (many of them educated enough to know better) "believe" (note the quotation marks) in homeopathy, but most/all of them in a "let's try this also" way - i personally know many of them, but i don't know any of them who dis-believes real medicine in favor of this fake medicine, even if some of them may claim that it was the fake medicine that cured them (while in reality it was the real medicine who realy trusted, while trying this "homeopathy" also).
From wikipedia: Some homeopaths give credit for the revival to Greek homeopath George Vithoulkas, who performed a "great deal of research to update the scenarios and refine the theories and practice of homeopathy" beginning in the 1970s - as a Greek i know that this Vithoulkas guy (who never studied medicine - it is just a teacher) "believes" in this homeopathy pseudo-science, but recommends to his patients to try (real) medicine also!
This "taxicab subjects" blog guy is eponymous (i.e., using a real name) and posts various stories/comments on the web (i.e., not only in his blog - or in Slashdot) about this subject (passionate enough about the subject?) - i guess this "arctother" Slashdoter is the same guy, and since he already made a comment to this story, maybe he could/(should) answer!
"Greek" you wrote? Hmmm... i know many people will be glad if a Greek Nationalist like me leave this barbaric Slashdot for the less barbaric Soylent, but even here exist people needing Greek support (and a Greek like me i may add!) - e.g., recently i read (and made a comment about it) a Slashdot summary where they missed the Greek "m" for the Micro unit, not to mention some (few) barbarians here who like and know Greek.
Anyway, i congratulate Soylent News, not only for their unicode support but also for the rest developments of the code - but let's not criticize Slashdot so much, just a couple of days ago the added... a "share" button!
You thought right, Slashdot does not support unicode, this story is just news for nerds that is reported by accident, as stuff that matters for G[r]eeks only!
note: i now continue my comment with a very interesting paragraph, but it is in Greek, so you can not read it, not even if you want to translate it:
Fine; numbanus it is (you know, what with you being "Greek" and all.;)
Your English is clearly fantastic; infinitely better than my Francais (five years) and my Nihongo (ten years);
I was ready to call you an asshole (you know, after that numbanus and all!) but after complimenting me for my English the situation changed Sir! By the way: Nihongo - i have 2 (Greek) lady friends styding the language (one needs it for -maritime- business reasons, and the other even stayed for some time in Japan)... not much progress for both!
the problem is your inability to grasp an incredibly complex issue in anything but the simplest, emotionally-loaded terms. So no, I don't want to see only politicians' daughters able to murder their unborn children (I won't lower myself to phrasing it any other way) without having to resort to a rusty back-alley coat hanger...
O.K., i respect the way you phrasing it - let me defend myself for the "inability to grasp an incredibly complex issue...": i don't feel so insulted by you criticism... it may be correct, but coming from a (fellow) Slashdoter after my first comment you replied to modded down (by other -fellow- Slashdoters) as "Score: -1, Offtopic"... it just makes me think that this "note before down-mod" that i wrote was a prophesy, and i am a prophet!
A one minute video, the first result after i search for "abortion" in Youtube (note: what has been seen can not be unseen)
No my friend, i never seen the fetus room at "Body Worlds" (it come to Greece, i wanted to go, but i was busy unfortunatly) - but why i should "fuck off" when we can see babies from abortions in Youtube?
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Some other old Greek song about "arapines" (magic nights) - the word is about "(sand-)niggers" as a non-Greek may call them offensively, but in Greek (and the rest of the word) it was not "offensive"... until some (left-wing) "anti-racists" decided that it is now! The guy singing the song is a Greek actor, that is also a Greek politician... in a party those (left-wing) "anti-racists" belong also! The ironic fact about the "arapines" word (which you probably read as a word for the first time in your life): arapines use it to describe themselves!!!
Again my question: Where are you from Sir?
I understand that many people (especialy those less educated) may think that "since it's in a recycling bin, it's not real theft", but the economics of recycling depend on those aluminum cans staying in the recycling bin - without them there is no point of any recycling business to operate, which means no recycling for the plastics also...
Many people here in Greece tell me that i am too hard (e.g., "you can't expect a poor Gypsy/illegal immigrant to starve himself just because you want recycling to work"), but we must at least use the right term: theft - society can not blame recycling businesses as "greedy" and demand operating, when people don't even want to acknowledge that fact.
AS a Gypsy all I have to say is if it wasn't free then why was it on the side of the road.
Ha! Usually i don't trust anonymous when they state their ethnicity, but you just wrote the exact answer i got from an actual Gypsy, so... as a Greek i salute you*!
If crime was not your main "job" and you did not had that anti-social behaviour (sorry about that, but as a Gypsy you know what i mean... ) i could support the idea to have Gypsies as the exclusive contractors for any recycling done anywhere based on "cultural rights", just because you Gypries were in the recycling business long before a name existed for that, i.e., for some milleniums!
* an old Greek song (composed and signed by Greeks) titled: crazy Gypsy (where are you going? take me with you!) - just to make our "peace" for that "crime" statement (you know the truth... let's leave libtarded barbarians living inside their ignorance: do you know that the new name for you is "Rom", and "Gypsy" is now something only a racist Greek like me would use? Probably not, but that is what the modern anti-racist "social justice war" brought to you: a new name to define youselves!)
Every waste disposal stream has costs.
That is something we must teach kids even from kindergarten, so they will remeber it when they become autonomous consumers (if they are not already...).
The choice is what we're willing to pay to deal with it.
The choices are a) if we are willing to pay b) how much, if yes - since in reality for "a" the answer is always "yes" (even in the most uncivilized societies *some* "waste disposal" *must* be done), civilized societies must choose how much to pay for "waste disposal AND recycling".
That, and most Americans are too fucking lazy to sort, or have any kind of care in avoiding contamination (or even learning what that means).
If we Greeks can do it, Americans can do it better. I don't believe Americans are so lazy to sort: they just don't know how important is for minimizing the cost of their "waste disposal (AND recycling)" - if they are informed about the issue they will do the right thing (Americans were sensitive about recycling long before we Greeks were).
In Greece we don't sort further than "for dump and for recycling". The major problem in Greece is that gypsies and illegal immigrants... illegaly sort further the "for recycling" bins! The recycling organizations loose the valuable stuff (e.g., aluminum cans) that gets stolen from the recycle bins from them, and they end up with only the less profitable (or unprofitable) "garbage", so it becomes problematic for them to continue operating
That Greek lady mentioned in the /. summary, Valerie Androutsopoulos, is married to some other Greek, Angelos, that, while he is a computer programmer, own some recycling companies, both in Greece and USA. They understand the cost factors for, and how to operate the, recycling business, i hope others can do the society's education for the importance of that business (e.g., teachers - the way it is done in Greece... good values should start from family/school, as early as possible).
"Make a version of /. in Greek"? Sorry, but it's a bad idea dude - like every other Greek... i can't stand Greeks!
I, as my church, am anti-sex outside marriage and pro-sex inside marriage - this is both idealistic and pragmatic solution for (most) abortions, like it is abstinence instead of condom/using a diaphragm/using birth control pills. Of course people must choose between their way or God's way - they are free, as God intended, but they can choose the good advise of the church IF they are religious! This "idealism-pragmatism dipole" can be examined as just a gap capable to be bridged - and this is the role of the church: making people like YOU, who are honest enough to accept truths, live in a way compatible with God's will. Don't forget that the church is not a home for Saints (those are in heaven!), but for sinful humans that live in earth... like me for example...
So: you just found an idealist who does not hate you my brother (in Christ)!
A (Greek) hymn to Virgin Mary: singing people with sins, recognizing their full of sins existence and asking help to be saved - note: the words are hard when they describe their sinful existance, but also cheerful because of their trust to... you know!
I am a sexist (i.e., i believe that -both biological and cultural based- differences between males and females exist... i even find many/most of them good for society/humanity plus for each sex), but i agree with your whole message and, since it covers me fully, i will repeat this "If we're to have true equality, we have to acknowledge these differences, rather than trying to make one gender behave as the other, or pretending these differences don't exist" of yours (at least concerning the biological factors, because i don't want to drag you in my cultural sexism) - just watching people deny science in the way many/most gender equaility advocates do... well, it makes me even more sexist than i already am, but in a worse way!
I can not disagree or agree with what you write because i am ignorant about those things, but the same (common) experiment has been done/repeated in various development stages (e.g., 1 month, 3 months, 1 year, old babies), only to have some people claim "but the results are not because of nature since they have been effected by nurture" - define some age where the result will be credible (i.e., babies developed enough to make a choise on their own, not effected by upbringing) and you will have the same gender based differences.
I am afraid that you may be right - i really try to be informed about foreign to me cultures (some of them i respect/like very much)... but i don't know anything about the Hawaiian "culture" (other than the usual "native touristic sub-culture")!
Used already for Fedora's (o.k., i know, but someone must prepare for the next RHEL!) development (a.k.a. "rawhide") version, to be released around late October as version 23.
note: an old reply from an anonymous Slashdoter to an older comment i made, that contained the same video my comment you reply to contains!
Great link. Thank you for it!
You are welcomed my friend, but i originaly watched it thanks to a post from the fellow Slashdoter "popo" so some/most credit should go to him! (i could not remember him when i posted the comment a couple of hour ago, but now i searched one of my older comments where i mention him... you know what kind of stories Slashdot likes to report...)
Anyway, for a sexist person like me all those facts shown in this great documentary are known, but this great documentary has that extra part where extreme (left-wing) European "social scientists" deny science in a shocking way - i am European (Greek), and i have to deal with that kind of persons all the time, but at least in Greece this "political correctness" is not so extreme (yet)... honestly (please my Nothern European friends, don't get angry, you know what i mean), i never expected a Norwegian documentary to expose that "ultra-feministic" unscientific hypocrisy/fanaticism/stupidity... so, my respect to the (few...) remaining real Vikings (the last of the Mohicans!!!???), like the guy making this documentary.
Sorry about that, i know most Yankees probably can not understand my rant, but... you don't know what it means to be a male in Europe (i am afraid that soon it would be illegal to pee standing up - it is not fair to females who must do it sitting down).
That "fun" part starts at 32.25 of the video... how (left-wing) European (social) "scientists" reject science in the most tragic/comic way!
Since i already wrote about that "Apple privacy" irony (that you recognize also), i just want to agree with you about the description of DuckDuckGo - i respect what they try/claim to do, but i am glad that i am not the only one who thinks that "It's slower than google, its results are far less accurate, its interface is dated, it has no, not a single, feature that reaches the levels of the big squid. Its only redeeming feature (and just think what people are willing to put up with just to get that one!) is that it does not track.".
You need to go to the Answers in Genesis website. Seriously, you'll get affirmation there. Here people will end up baiting you - as they have.
But modding down at -1 flamebait this comment (that was originaly posted at +1)? I guess my fellow Slashdoters did not liked dissecting frogs in their biology lessons when they were in school... i can't think any other reason!
I'd accept the "abortion is murder" argument form a person who also believed that all killing of other people is murder. Unfortunately, not many do. Most of them just love to kill people in religion based wars, or for gathering firewood on the sabbath.
As a Christian: all killing of other people is murder (i exclude accidents) - your turn now!
At 22.22 of the video: a test on newborn (one day old!) babies, where they present them a mechanical object and a face: boys look longer on mechanical object, girls look longer on face!
Both genders should have the same opportunities. They don't necessarily have the same interests.
And the more "gender equality on opportunities" for a society, the more evident the -biology based- gender differences on interests becomes (since boys choose boy toys/jobs and girls choose girl toys/jobs, because they feel free to choose what they like): a great documentary (first watch it after a fellow Slashdoter posted a couple of months ago) from -maybe the most "gender equality" society of the world- Norway (with English subtitles), called "The Gender Equality Paradox", with -among other things- scientists proving the gender biological differences (with "toy experiments" on children), plus... "religious feminists" ignoring science!
note: the documentary was made from a usual extreme political correct Norwegian person... not a sexist Greek like me - so: watch it!
And just the idea of a "(native) culture deserving protection" is a proof that this "culture" does not exist actually. I am a Greek, my culture is "protected" by the Western Civilization, in the same way Roman culture is - and if we even consider less influencial (for the world than the Greek) and more "exotic" (to the "dominant Western") cultures: a Greek choir singing a Zulu song... if something good (or just something... anything!) exist it would be preserved by just existing!
In some wild life parks the "good guys" cut the horns from rhinoceros as a way to protect them from the "bad guys", so a "prosthetic horn" is dangerous idea actually.
From wikipedia: Some homeopaths give credit for the revival to Greek homeopath George Vithoulkas, who performed a "great deal of research to update the scenarios and refine the theories and practice of homeopathy" beginning in the 1970s - as a Greek i know that this Vithoulkas guy (who never studied medicine - it is just a teacher) "believes" in this homeopathy pseudo-science, but recommends to his patients to try (real) medicine also!
This "taxicab subjects" blog guy is eponymous (i.e., using a real name) and posts various stories/comments on the web (i.e., not only in his blog - or in Slashdot) about this subject (passionate enough about the subject?) - i guess this "arctother" Slashdoter is the same guy, and since he already made a comment to this story, maybe he could/(should) answer!
> That slashdot didn't support unicode
However Soylent News has had full unicode support since last year. Here is a recent thread with lots of greek.
"Greek" you wrote? Hmmm... i know many people will be glad if a Greek Nationalist like me leave this barbaric Slashdot for the less barbaric Soylent, but even here exist people needing Greek support (and a Greek like me i may add!) - e.g., recently i read (and made a comment about it) a Slashdot summary where they missed the Greek "m" for the Micro unit, not to mention some (few) barbarians here who like and know Greek.
Anyway, i congratulate Soylent News, not only for their unicode support but also for the rest developments of the code - but let's not criticize Slashdot so much, just a couple of days ago the added... a "share" button!
That slashdot didn't support unicode
You thought right, Slashdot does not support unicode, this story is just news for nerds that is reported by accident, as stuff that matters for G[r]eeks only!
note: i now continue my comment with a very interesting paragraph, but it is in Greek, so you can not read it, not even if you want to translate it:
Fine; numbanus it is (you know, what with you being "Greek" and all. ;)
Your English is clearly fantastic; infinitely better than my Francais (five years) and my Nihongo (ten years);
I was ready to call you an asshole (you know, after that numbanus and all!) but after complimenting me for my English the situation changed Sir! By the way: Nihongo - i have 2 (Greek) lady friends styding the language (one needs it for -maritime- business reasons, and the other even stayed for some time in Japan)... not much progress for both!
the problem is your inability to grasp an incredibly complex issue in anything but the simplest, emotionally-loaded terms. So no, I don't want to see only politicians' daughters able to murder their unborn children (I won't lower myself to phrasing it any other way) without having to resort to a rusty back-alley coat hanger...
O.K., i respect the way you phrasing it - let me defend myself for the "inability to grasp an incredibly complex issue...": i don't feel so insulted by you criticism... it may be correct, but coming from a (fellow) Slashdoter after my first comment you replied to modded down (by other -fellow- Slashdoters) as "Score: -1, Offtopic"... it just makes me think that this "note before down-mod" that i wrote was a prophesy, and i am a prophet!
No my friend, i never seen the fetus room at "Body Worlds" (it come to Greece, i wanted to go, but i was busy unfortunatly) - but why i should "fuck off" when we can see babies from abortions in Youtube?