The gamers of old are no longer the target audience. Nintendos win may mean we won't see the wealth of games for gamers like the PS2, PS1, and SNES had. No Gods of war, Disgea, Pucille tactics, etc... We may be doomed to shallow minigame collections like rayman, warioware, cooking mana etc... Some are fun like cooking Mama but the majority of us will be bored with them before long. The only hope we have is that non-gamers will buy games at a slower pace and that we will still be more profitable to cater to.
There was less competition in the prior generation. Dreamcast was killed at least in part by Sony's fraudulent claims of performance. (Not only could the system actually not push as many triangles as they originally claimed, but it CERTAINLY couldn't push that many triangles in anything but a demo.)
I think you over state the case. The PS2 can indeed push a lot more poly's then the DC but they are of a somewhat lower quality. You'll see in games like FFXII that it is indeed a decent machine. Compare it to any crop of DC titles and you will notice a lot more poligonal objects. The DC would not be able to do the same amounts of detail. As for the DC, it was killed by extremely poor management by sega. Even if no one care about the PS2 the DC would have died anyways. Sega burned too mana US/CA fans bu it's quick push to 32 bits via the 32 x and saturn. The low game count and high cost basically burned the majority of their fanbase. The moderate Sega fan boys jumped ship, only the die hard stayed on.
115h is the total time on my saved game right now. I finished it and then went back to complete the optional bosses and better weapons like hunting for the tournesol.
As for having a life, I work full time, spend a third of my remaining time with the GF, a third going out with friends and working out, and last third with video games. I suppose I don't have the same familial responsibilities as others but my point was I am not the target demographic for the Wii and the games bore me because they're aimed at non gamers. Zelda was great. All the games I've played or own so far was not aimed at me and bored me. Paper mario might be different, I'm not sure because peopel tell me it's more of the same.
No, after a few games of each sport it just wasn't appealing enough to keep playing. It's novelty wore off and the underlying game just wasn't fun to me.
It's about $93 CND every 6 mo. But it's not like I play it or anything... I actualyl stopped. For the very reason that the grind time and the lack of freedom to stop (GF comes over and wants to umm GO but i'm doing an instance.... that was not cool).
Checking AT&T web site They seem par with our company after currency conversion. I guess the only I have on you is 50% company discount and the ability to download what ever I want because it's technically legal to take. just not share. Our competitor ussially has 2.0 mb more for about $5 more but it's cable, and ussually much more heavily saturated. Some of our resellers sell the same service at a $5 discount or sometimes a bit more.
I work at a canadian telco and if I ever want to placate customers about prices I just quote them US high speed prices. They are ussually four times as expensive for the same service. ADSL 3.0 MB is 39.95 CND here with great up time and very low saturation. I get 300KB downloads almost all the time.
Old school console RPG: You visit every possible city talk to eveyr possible character and someone will give you vague instructions to your next quest. You will also have to level for 5h to be strong enought o survive the 6h dungeon crawl.
Some of the more engrossing games caused me to dream of them and fail to sleep even waking up early to rush to the game. Movies never did this except Dawn of the dead.
In my province of Alberta in Canada, there are 2 streams of primary courses. 10/20/30; 13/23/33; as well as pure and applied versions science and math. In the past ree for 10/20/30 with any science or math you'd get a academic high school degree and a non academic one for the other stream(s). 15 years ago they revised it to give the same degree for both so that the dumb ones didn't feel as bad and would be more employable. thats what we did, int he insterest of self esteem we made the smart ones have to work harder to stand out. we reap what we sow. What that did was devalue the HS degree and now most jobs call for some post secondary. The general enrollment of post secondary skyrocketted. You now have to spend 4-5k a year for 2 years at leats to be employable at anything other then service industry.
We also now have a huge swath of people who have innumercy. they dont' understand science or math. Does not bode well the for the future. Even despite this we're doing better then the States.
The Wii is "on par" with the Xbox. With a slight bit more memory no HD and slightly more horse power on paper. Not much better. Although it's hard to compare from nothing more then the specs. I'd think it's more capable but not by that much.
The statement was: despite having a life, I still want value for my money.
no contradictions.
I bought FFXII, it gave me a total of 115h of entertainment so far for $60. I bought Resistance and I got a good 30h of single player and about 40h more multiplayer with friends for $69. For Warcraft III I got well over 1000h of play out of a $80 game (ROTC, TFT). For Rayman Rabbits I got 20min of play for $59, and then some chuckles for an hour when my friends played it. Ditto with warioware and wii sports, although wii sports was free. full game price, shallow mini game content. they have their place but I need something different soon. Paper mario might be a quick fix but I need something like Disgea or FFXII. For now the majority of the wii library is not worth the money.
As for posting on slashdot. I have breaks at work and I prefer to read at my desk rather then have a smoke.
"I, state your name, am NOT in Nintendo's target demographic." I get that feeling a lot. The game is fun for the first 20 then I'm left wondering "and now what?"
for instance nintendogs for the DS. Fun for exactly 20 minutes then you find out thats it. No locked features, no extras, just more decoration. Wii Cooking mama.. can't do anything with those points just minigames. Wii Warioware.. minigames. Wii Rayman.. minigames. Wii sports. 20 min then meh. Lotsa of minigames nothing with meat except zelda. thankfully there is more variety in DS titles but my fear is they will abandon my market segment to do nothing but shallow mini-game collections.
I have a life and am busy too but I need a $40+ to entertain me for more then 20min.
Or we ran across a mostly complete skeleton of a dinosaur and thought "wow, this creature must have been huge and powerful." And thus the dragon mythos is born.
Creativity isn't stifled over there. Only the tech colleges focus on practical skills while the big universities work on Theoretical skills. Notice Chinese cryptography is pretty good these days. I know second hand that the country doesn't stifle creativity, my other cousin is a fashion photographer with major contracts witht he chinese version of elle, cosmo and vogue. He's also done work for cartier and campaigns for various fashion houses. At 35 he's far ahead of where most photogs are. He's born and bred in china.
BTW, where is there. I am in the market for a tech job. I'm at a decent call center job. I don't spend much time on phones, I do mostly administrative work but I feel liek I'm wasting my CS degree.
- I fixed my churches computer - made my neighbor a Database for his toy collection - put together a vb script that gives random numbers to my D&D group
Would impress a corprate hiring manager. the answer in NO. A lab tech gets paid to do so as an undergrad, his work is not volenteer. The time spent working as a undergrad is counted as experience. I can't volenteer at a meth lab and put that down as experience. How many other labs are there? Helicopter pilot? Recreational air time problably counts but most industries don't resemble that. My point is free work devalues the work. Because you did the tech support it means someone else has a harder time making a business to do the same work for a fee, because he has one less customer. Thus devaluing the work. I am tech support for all of my family, friends, and take on part time gigs for small businesses. But I have yet to get a job in that. I have applied. The avenues for entry have vanished. Partly due to the.com bubble bursting. All of a sudden "entry level" doesn't require 4 years of CS but instead "CS degree + 4 years in industry". At some point the jobs will come back. Saddly it will be when they realize Off shoring is more often a money hole then a cost savings (my current employer just went through that, 2 years overdue. A few dozen million over budget.) and that the pool of 10+ year vetrans has all retired/drop dead.
Noy everyone enjoys multi-player long term grinds. I prefer my RPGS epic and finishable in less thena month. For this DQ8 and FFXII and oblivion fills my needs. If I need online play I frefer War 3, where my skills are more important then how long I spend grinding out quests, honor, epics, and guild mates.
If they had released advent children instead of the spirits within they problably would not have lost their shirt. Advent children in (japanese with subs) is a pretty good anime flick. With decent action sequences and CG but it will never be as good in yoru mind as what you want from FF7 just as I will never get a game that hit me like FFVI or FFIV. IT's called nostalgia.
I thought X was the most EMO piece of frustrating tripe that exsisted. Story was based around the relationship of a whiny little shit and a odd asian stoic stereo type (see Rei:Neongenesis). FFVIII was not so good. IX was fun but not great, VII was good but a bit slapshot and VI will always be my favorite.
6 is still legendary but a lot more gamers were exposed to 7. 6 felt more together being the last of a game generation. 7 seemed pretty slapshot because of the various styles of FMV and new 3d elements. I personally would have prefered RPGS to hit it big with 6 and see sequels to 6 instead. but you get what you get.
Example: The Mechanical Loom, Back in the day it was incredibly valuable to have a copy of those plans to make this machine. What value does a copy have now? Ironically the US made it's wealth at first on natural resources but then from stolen IP from europe. The cycle is just repeating itself in Asia.
Only in non-US locales. In the US truth is enough to defend yourself. That is why there is so much negative campaigning. The truth can be paraded around even if it's unrelated and humiliating (facts like "I really like naruto, a targetted kids show" or "I enjoyed kinky sex").
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They might have lost 300m on 500k sold due to them producing more. They could have made 1mil only sold half and had a 300m loss for the time.
The gamers of old are no longer the target audience. Nintendos win may mean we won't see the wealth of games for gamers like the PS2, PS1, and SNES had. No Gods of war, Disgea, Pucille tactics, etc... We may be doomed to shallow minigame collections like rayman, warioware, cooking mana etc... Some are fun like cooking Mama but the majority of us will be bored with them before long. The only hope we have is that non-gamers will buy games at a slower pace and that we will still be more profitable to cater to.
There was less competition in the prior generation. Dreamcast was killed at least in part by Sony's fraudulent claims of performance. (Not only could the system actually not push as many triangles as they originally claimed, but it CERTAINLY couldn't push that many triangles in anything but a demo.)
I think you over state the case. The PS2 can indeed push a lot more poly's then the DC but they are of a somewhat lower quality. You'll see in games like FFXII that it is indeed a decent machine. Compare it to any crop of DC titles and you will notice a lot more poligonal objects. The DC would not be able to do the same amounts of detail. As for the DC, it was killed by extremely poor management by sega. Even if no one care about the PS2 the DC would have died anyways. Sega burned too mana US/CA fans bu it's quick push to 32 bits via the 32 x and saturn. The low game count and high cost basically burned the majority of their fanbase. The moderate Sega fan boys jumped ship, only the die hard stayed on.
115h is the total time on my saved game right now. I finished it and then went back to complete the optional bosses and better weapons like hunting for the tournesol.
As for having a life, I work full time, spend a third of my remaining time with the GF, a third going out with friends and working out, and last third with video games. I suppose I don't have the same familial responsibilities as others but my point was I am not the target demographic for the Wii and the games bore me because they're aimed at non gamers. Zelda was great. All the games I've played or own so far was not aimed at me and bored me. Paper mario might be different, I'm not sure because peopel tell me it's more of the same.
No, after a few games of each sport it just wasn't appealing enough to keep playing. It's novelty wore off and the underlying game just wasn't fun to me.
It's about $93 CND every 6 mo. But it's not like I play it or anything... I actualyl stopped. For the very reason that the grind time and the lack of freedom to stop (GF comes over and wants to umm GO but i'm doing an instance.... that was not cool).
Checking AT&T web site They seem par with our company after currency conversion. I guess the only I have on you is 50% company discount and the ability to download what ever I want because it's technically legal to take. just not share. Our competitor ussially has 2.0 mb more for about $5 more but it's cable, and ussually much more heavily saturated. Some of our resellers sell the same service at a $5 discount or sometimes a bit more.
My Ex-GF in Riverside Cali. 768 kbps = $60 USD. Where exactly are you?
I work at a canadian telco and if I ever want to placate customers about prices I just quote them US high speed prices. They are ussually four times as expensive for the same service. ADSL 3.0 MB is 39.95 CND here with great up time and very low saturation. I get 300KB downloads almost all the time.
Old school console RPG: You visit every possible city talk to eveyr possible character and someone will give you vague instructions to your next quest. You will also have to level for 5h to be strong enought o survive the 6h dungeon crawl.
RPGS have come a long way
Some of the more engrossing games caused me to dream of them and fail to sleep even waking up early to rush to the game. Movies never did this except Dawn of the dead.
In my province of Alberta in Canada, there are 2 streams of primary courses. 10/20/30; 13/23/33; as well as pure and applied versions science and math. In the past ree for 10/20/30 with any science or math you'd get a academic high school degree and a non academic one for the other stream(s). 15 years ago they revised it to give the same degree for both so that the dumb ones didn't feel as bad and would be more employable. thats what we did, int he insterest of self esteem we made the smart ones have to work harder to stand out. we reap what we sow. What that did was devalue the HS degree and now most jobs call for some post secondary. The general enrollment of post secondary skyrocketted. You now have to spend 4-5k a year for 2 years at leats to be employable at anything other then service industry.
We also now have a huge swath of people who have innumercy. they dont' understand science or math. Does not bode well the for the future. Even despite this we're doing better then the States.
The Wii is "on par" with the Xbox. With a slight bit more memory no HD and slightly more horse power on paper. Not much better. Although it's hard to compare from nothing more then the specs. I'd think it's more capable but not by that much.
The statement was: despite having a life, I still want value for my money.
no contradictions.
I bought FFXII, it gave me a total of 115h of entertainment so far for $60. I bought Resistance and I got a good 30h of single player and about 40h more multiplayer with friends for $69. For Warcraft III I got well over 1000h of play out of a $80 game (ROTC, TFT). For Rayman Rabbits I got 20min of play for $59, and then some chuckles for an hour when my friends played it. Ditto with warioware and wii sports, although wii sports was free. full game price, shallow mini game content. they have their place but I need something different soon. Paper mario might be a quick fix but I need something like Disgea or FFXII. For now the majority of the wii library is not worth the money.
As for posting on slashdot. I have breaks at work and I prefer to read at my desk rather then have a smoke.
I think I mentioned zelda as being the only real game I've bought so far. I hear paper mario is short and easy as well.
for instance nintendogs for the DS. Fun for exactly 20 minutes then you find out thats it. No locked features, no extras, just more decoration. Wii Cooking mama.. can't do anything with those points just minigames. Wii Warioware.. minigames. Wii Rayman.. minigames. Wii sports. 20 min then meh. Lotsa of minigames nothing with meat except zelda. thankfully there is more variety in DS titles but my fear is they will abandon my market segment to do nothing but shallow mini-game collections.
I have a life and am busy too but I need a $40+ to entertain me for more then 20min.
Or we ran across a mostly complete skeleton of a dinosaur and thought "wow, this creature must have been huge and powerful." And thus the dragon mythos is born.
Creativity isn't stifled over there. Only the tech colleges focus on practical skills while the big universities work on Theoretical skills. Notice Chinese cryptography is pretty good these days. I know second hand that the country doesn't stifle creativity, my other cousin is a fashion photographer with major contracts witht he chinese version of elle, cosmo and vogue. He's also done work for cartier and campaigns for various fashion houses. At 35 he's far ahead of where most photogs are. He's born and bred in china.
BTW, where is there. I am in the market for a tech job. I'm at a decent call center job. I don't spend much time on phones, I do mostly administrative work but I feel liek I'm wasting my CS degree.
Tell me if
.com bubble bursting. All of a sudden "entry level" doesn't require 4 years of CS but instead "CS degree + 4 years in industry". At some point the jobs will come back. Saddly it will be when they realize Off shoring is more often a money hole then a cost savings (my current employer just went through that, 2 years overdue. A few dozen million over budget.) and that the pool of 10+ year vetrans has all retired/drop dead.
- I fixed my churches computer
- made my neighbor a Database for his toy collection
- put together a vb script that gives random numbers to my D&D group
Would impress a corprate hiring manager. the answer in NO. A lab tech gets paid to do so as an undergrad, his work is not volenteer. The time spent working as a undergrad is counted as experience. I can't volenteer at a meth lab and put that down as experience. How many other labs are there? Helicopter pilot? Recreational air time problably counts but most industries don't resemble that. My point is free work devalues the work. Because you did the tech support it means someone else has a harder time making a business to do the same work for a fee, because he has one less customer. Thus devaluing the work. I am tech support for all of my family, friends, and take on part time gigs for small businesses. But I have yet to get a job in that. I have applied. The avenues for entry have vanished. Partly due to the
Noy everyone enjoys multi-player long term grinds. I prefer my RPGS epic and finishable in less thena month. For this DQ8 and FFXII and oblivion fills my needs. If I need online play I frefer War 3, where my skills are more important then how long I spend grinding out quests, honor, epics, and guild mates.
If they had released advent children instead of the spirits within they problably would not have lost their shirt. Advent children in (japanese with subs) is a pretty good anime flick. With decent action sequences and CG but it will never be as good in yoru mind as what you want from FF7 just as I will never get a game that hit me like FFVI or FFIV. IT's called nostalgia.
I thought X was the most EMO piece of frustrating tripe that exsisted. Story was based around the relationship of a whiny little shit and a odd asian stoic stereo type (see Rei:Neongenesis). FFVIII was not so good. IX was fun but not great, VII was good but a bit slapshot and VI will always be my favorite.
6 is still legendary but a lot more gamers were exposed to 7. 6 felt more together being the last of a game generation. 7 seemed pretty slapshot because of the various styles of FMV and new 3d elements. I personally would have prefered RPGS to hit it big with 6 and see sequels to 6 instead. but you get what you get.
Example: The Mechanical Loom, Back in the day it was incredibly valuable to have a copy of those plans to make this machine. What value does a copy have now? Ironically the US made it's wealth at first on natural resources but then from stolen IP from europe. The cycle is just repeating itself in Asia.
Only in non-US locales. In the US truth is enough to defend yourself. That is why there is so much negative campaigning. The truth can be paraded around even if it's unrelated and humiliating (facts like "I really like naruto, a targetted kids show" or "I enjoyed kinky sex").