Wow you sound pretty much like every pmpus pimple on the ass of progress since the beggining of time.
What are you some math GOD...surely no one else has the same capacity of understanding as yourself. Give it a rest. The man has a theory and it sounds like he believes in it enough to stake his career on it...so when was the last time you had a theory that you believed in so much that you would stake your career on it??
I highly doubt this. Sure you will be able to get some compiler optimization that take advantage, but by and large the advantage will come from well designed multi threaded programs. Since effective threading needs to be at a very high level...far far away from the compile and link steps I doubt you will see any compilers even attempting it for several years to come.
I do agree with you, but I would like to point out the creativity is something that can be strengthened. Just like any skill it takes practice. Programmers should learn to play a musical instrument...not just play it but learn it to the point were you can improvise and great music that comes from within as opposed to someting you see in notes. Of course music is only one possiblity there are countless others.
But you are totally right about some programmers have a natural knack for it and some not. Trueth be known a lot of it is probably due to the programmers "true" level of interest.
Dell inspiron 9200 Mandrake 10.0 and 10.1 Fedora Core3
zero support of ati 9700 mobility chips?
Tough delima right now. Tyring to upgrade from 10.0. Tried Fedora Core3 and couldn't hardly believe what a reck of a distro redhat is now releasing....it has been over 2 years since I last used redhat. Tried Mandrake 10.1 and found out that I would have to install kdevelop myself as it no longer comes with the community verion???? Please tell me I am wrong here...cause I have really grown to like mandrake...but I don't really like the thought of having to pay for it...guess I probably will if I have to. Would rather spend 50 bucks on new 10.1 distro than zero bucks on the current starte of Fedora.
Well that rant has been building for a couple of days now and I just needed to vent...wasn't trying to start a distro flame war....just my simple opinion.
right now I still stick with Mandrake 10.0 as the best distro on the most hardware that I have come across. Rock solid distribution...I am sure that 10.1 is great...
Really offtopic?? LOL I am beggining to believe that:
a) Slashdot has lost all sense of humor b) Slashdot has been taken over by kids (likely) c) VB coders, C++ coders, Java coders, Python coders, Perl ooder, FORTRAN coders, etc..etc...are to insecure with their own coding abilities/language to take a simple joke.
Yeah not sure why I am replying to an AC troll either...but I can speak for most when I say we are gload you don't live here either....value boy...Mr moral....oh mighty supreme foreign dude...LOL
Or maybe in the past we have cared less because we were "farther" away from the rest of the world. Now that the world is becoming much more global I think you will begin to see more Americans keeping up with more international affairs. However we are still going to care about our news the most...then probably Canadas if you are in the North and south america's if you are in the south....just my guess tho.
I do agree with you. They can't stay alive with there current business model forever....but like IBM I believe that they will eveolve with the times....or you will be absoultey right.
LOL. While I wish what you said was true...I would have to say that you are completely off your rocker. Do you have any kind of idea what goes on behind the scenes in MS's R&D labs. Do you really think that they are just sitting around with their collective thumbs up their asses. MS ain't going no were. perhaps the oss community and other software companies will force them to be more creative, but believe me they will change and evolove with the times. MS does actually do some pretty damned inovative stuff and they have tons of talented people that work there....and that cash pile you talk about...he. It is to big to dissapear.
While you are right toa degree. I would like to say that I don't want to have to configure something to not bother me. It should leave me alone by default.
Yes. This is the exact point of something great big and grand. It is sure oo-maze and stun all people (even the French). I urge you to quickly purchase as much land in this area as yo can possible afford....Las vegas House prices will seem like sweet dreams in comparison to what is about to take place at the center of maps.google.com
I do agree with you...but i find complex regular expressions very hard to read and maintain. Perhaps it is because I am not an expert with regexps. I totally agree about C/C++ having ugly syntax, but everyone is forced to use the same ugly syntax which means when I go to read my own or someone elses code it is in the same syntax. I know that a variable is an int because it say's so.
Perl is an extremely powerful language and I am certainly not knocking it, but for me it is harder to maintain...maybe I have just been writing C for to many years now.
Not to start a flame ware here...but No langauge has made my life maintaining old code more miserable than Perl.
But you are correct....it has rules...but no officers to enforce those rules. It is like living in a world of anarchy....but with rules....that you don't have to follow.
For me perl will remain a language for very quick and dirty tasks. If it is something that I will have to look at again in a month...forget it.
"The trouble is developers would prefer to write something in 5 characters than 30 characters in a mistaken belief that they are being more productive and that typing is the longest task they undertake."
I could not agree more. In fact we use some software with an internal scripting langauge...it is vector based and the company lures people in by say you need 30% less lines of code...to which I respond...so what. Frustrating. I don't care how many lines of code it takes as long as the flow is meaningful and understandable.
Well I can't disagree...as I know someone who has done just this. However...in this case the cost was simply delayed and Troll Tech still got the same amount of money.
I guess you are right...but it could suck if a business spent a lot of time and money building a product and then the Troll's said sorry. Most business would just bite the bullet...and honestly their costs aren't that un-reasonable.
Marries to a librarian....fairly well aquainted with copyright law...open source developer...damn well aquainted with the GPL.. And I am not disagreeing with you about either...but the Troll's can and will refuse to licesene to people who have developed code with GPL'd software...no probably not a small project. But lets assume that microsoft develops a new office product with Qt....and then at the very end decides to purchase a licese for release. What do you think the Trols will have to say about this. You really think they are gonna let MS get away with purchasing a single licesen when they should have purchases numerous licenses.
Besides that....we all agree to their licese so that will be enough to hold up in court...if you don't agree then by all means remove KDE from your desktop...assuming you use it.
Oh I tottally agree. I was saying in the case were the emploer tried to get around the QT license....by developing for free and then purchasing a commercial license to release the code. By definition the original code would have been GPL....but you also bring up a very good point. Is it GPL'ed before it is released? I believe the answer is yes...and that is the viral (but good) nature of the GPL. The GPL doesn't require you to relese the code...but if you do then you have to play by the rules. So if you use the GPL version of QT to develop your code then you must play by the rules when you release it. The Trolls added the extra rule that to purchase a commercial license you must do so before development.
Also I don't think the troll's would ever insist you release your in-house code....and no they could not force you to do so.
yeah you make my point exactly. basically if it is free like that then anyone can setup shop and redistribute it. Since the shop not developing the code have zero overhead they will be able to severly undercut the shop developing it...it is really pretty simple economics.....
So let my flip your last question...can you name an exception? One that make money by selling open source (GPL) software and not selling services? I can't think of one.
maybe / maybe not. They have their reputation on the line. If word got out that they were allowing this then they everyone would try.....but I do believe that you are right over all. If you have a small project and no money...single developer. They aren't gonna refuse you....in their minds you could become a big player which would then make good and purchse numerous licenses for all your developers.
True...but if the code is actually released then according to the troll's all the GPL developed code is GPL'ed and thus the disgruntled employee has some ground to stand on...albiet very thin ground.
Really OS support won't matter much unless it is on servers. It is the applications that will have to be re-written to take advantage of it. And I would venture to guess that either current applications will be re-written or they will shortly find there way to the grave as new companies produce similar software that does take this into account.
IMHO I believe that a paradigm (hate that word) shft is about to take place in programming. I would love to see rocessors hit a brick wall and good programmers being worth their weight in gold again! There was a fine art to code optimzation that has all but been lost...but I see it coming back with a vengance...writing parallel code will be pretty tough for a lot of coders.
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Wow you sound pretty much like every pmpus pimple on the ass of progress since the beggining of time.
What are you some math GOD...surely no one else has the same capacity of understanding as yourself. Give it a rest. The man has a theory and it sounds like he believes in it enough to stake his career on it...so when was the last time you had a theory that you believed in so much that you would stake your career on it??
I highly doubt this. Sure you will be able to get some compiler optimization that take advantage, but by and large the advantage will come from well designed multi threaded programs. Since effective threading needs to be at a very high level ...far far away from the compile and link steps I doubt you will see any compilers even attempting it for several years to come.
I do agree with you, but I would like to point out the creativity is something that can be strengthened. Just like any skill it takes practice. Programmers should learn to play a musical instrument...not just play it but learn it to the point were you can improvise and great music that comes from within as opposed to someting you see in notes. Of course music is only one possiblity there are countless others.
But you are totally right about some programmers have a natural knack for it and some not. Trueth be known a lot of it is probably due to the programmers "true" level of interest.
Dell inspiron 9200
Mandrake 10.0 and 10.1
Fedora Core3
zero support of ati 9700 mobility chips?
Tough delima right now. Tyring to upgrade from 10.0. Tried Fedora Core3 and couldn't hardly believe what a reck of a distro redhat is now releasing....it has been over 2 years since I last used redhat. Tried Mandrake 10.1 and found out that I would have to install kdevelop myself as it no longer comes with the community verion???? Please tell me I am wrong here...cause I have really grown to like mandrake...but I don't really like the thought of having to pay for it...guess I probably will if I have to. Would rather spend 50 bucks on new 10.1 distro than zero bucks on the current starte of Fedora.
Well that rant has been building for a couple of days now and I just needed to vent...wasn't trying to start a distro flame war....just my simple opinion.
right now I still stick with Mandrake 10.0 as the best distro on the most hardware that I have come across. Rock solid distribution...I am sure that 10.1 is great...
Really offtopic?? LOL I am beggining to believe that:
a) Slashdot has lost all sense of humor
b) Slashdot has been taken over by kids (likely)
c) VB coders, C++ coders, Java coders, Python coders, Perl ooder, FORTRAN coders, etc..etc...are to insecure with their own coding abilities/language to take a simple joke.
Grow up people.
Yeah not sure why I am replying to an AC troll either...but I can speak for most when I say we are gload you don't live here either....value boy...Mr moral....oh mighty supreme foreign dude...LOL
What a dork.
LOL Wish I had mod points to give!
While I do understand your worry...you surely can understand why I would love them to leave here and head your way!
Friends don't let friends code VB.
Or maybe in the past we have cared less because we were "farther" away from the rest of the world. Now that the world is becoming much more global I think you will begin to see more Americans keeping up with more international affairs. However we are still going to care about our news the most...then probably Canadas if you are in the North and south america's if you are in the south....just my guess tho.
I do agree with you. They can't stay alive with there current business model forever....but like IBM I believe that they will eveolve with the times....or you will be absoultey right.
LOL. While I wish what you said was true...I would have to say that you are completely off your rocker. Do you have any kind of idea what goes on behind the scenes in MS's R&D labs. Do you really think that they are just sitting around with their collective thumbs up their asses. MS ain't going no were. perhaps the oss community and other software companies will force them to be more creative, but believe me they will change and evolove with the times. MS does actually do some pretty damned inovative stuff and they have tons of talented people that work there....and that cash pile you talk about...he. It is to big to dissapear.
While you are right toa degree. I would like to say that I don't want to have to configure something to not bother me. It should leave me alone by default.
Cool Thanks for the info.
Yes. This is the exact point of something great big and grand. It is sure oo-maze and stun all people (even the French). I urge you to quickly purchase as much land in this area as yo can possible afford....Las vegas House prices will seem like sweet dreams in comparison to what is about to take place at the center of maps.google.com
I do agree with you...but i find complex regular expressions very hard to read and maintain. Perhaps it is because I am not an expert with regexps. I totally agree about C/C++ having ugly syntax, but everyone is forced to use the same ugly syntax which means when I go to read my own or someone elses code it is in the same syntax. I know that a variable is an int because it say's so.
Perl is an extremely powerful language and I am certainly not knocking it, but for me it is harder to maintain...maybe I have just been writing C for to many years now.
Not to start a flame ware here...but No langauge has made my life maintaining old code more miserable than Perl.
But you are correct....it has rules...but no officers to enforce those rules. It is like living in a world of anarchy....but with rules....that you don't have to follow.
For me perl will remain a language for very quick and dirty tasks. If it is something that I will have to look at again in a month...forget it.
"The trouble is developers would prefer to write something in 5 characters than 30 characters in a mistaken belief that they are being more productive and that typing is the longest task they undertake."
I could not agree more. In fact we use some software with an internal scripting langauge...it is vector based and the company lures people in by say you need 30% less lines of code...to which I respond...so what. Frustrating. I don't care how many lines of code it takes as long as the flow is meaningful and understandable.
Well I can't disagree...as I know someone who has done just this. However...in this case the cost was simply delayed and Troll Tech still got the same amount of money.
I guess you are right...but it could suck if a business spent a lot of time and money building a product and then the Troll's said sorry. Most business would just bite the bullet...and honestly their costs aren't that un-reasonable.
Marries to a librarian....fairly well aquainted with copyright law...open source developer...damn well aquainted with the GPL.. And I am not disagreeing with you about either...but the Troll's can and will refuse to licesene to people who have developed code with GPL'd software...no probably not a small project. But lets assume that microsoft develops a new office product with Qt....and then at the very end decides to purchase a licese for release. What do you think the Trols will have to say about this. You really think they are gonna let MS get away with purchasing a single licesen when they should have purchases numerous licenses.
Besides that....we all agree to their licese so that will be enough to hold up in court...if you don't agree then by all means remove KDE from your desktop...assuming you use it.
Oh I tottally agree. I was saying in the case were the emploer tried to get around the QT license....by developing for free and then purchasing a commercial license to release the code. By definition the original code would have been GPL....but you also bring up a very good point. Is it GPL'ed before it is released? I believe the answer is yes...and that is the viral (but good) nature of the GPL. The GPL doesn't require you to relese the code...but if you do then you have to play by the rules. So if you use the GPL version of QT to develop your code then you must play by the rules when you release it. The Trolls added the extra rule that to purchase a commercial license you must do so before development.
Also I don't think the troll's would ever insist you release your in-house code....and no they could not force you to do so.
yeah you make my point exactly. basically if it is free like that then anyone can setup shop and redistribute it. Since the shop not developing the code have zero overhead they will be able to severly undercut the shop developing it...it is really pretty simple economics.....
So let my flip your last question...can you name an exception? One that make money by selling open source (GPL) software and not selling services? I can't think of one.
maybe / maybe not. They have their reputation on the line. If word got out that they were allowing this then they everyone would try.....but I do believe that you are right over all. If you have a small project and no money...single developer. They aren't gonna refuse you....in their minds you could become a big player which would then make good and purchse numerous licenses for all your developers.
True...but if the code is actually released then according to the troll's all the GPL developed code is GPL'ed and thus the disgruntled employee has some ground to stand on...albiet very thin ground.
Nope you are wrong. Go do a little reading before spouting off.
I apologize for assuming you were being what you weren't.
I thinh we both agree and are saying the same thing in different way's. You are totally correct it does not change the GPL...nor could it.
Cheers
John
Really OS support won't matter much unless it is on servers. It is the applications that will have to be re-written to take advantage of it. And I would venture to guess that either current applications will be re-written or they will shortly find there way to the grave as new companies produce similar software that does take this into account.
IMHO I believe that a paradigm (hate that word) shft is about to take place in programming. I would love to see rocessors hit a brick wall and good programmers being worth their weight in gold again! There was a fine art to code optimzation that has all but been lost...but I see it coming back with a vengance...writing parallel code will be pretty tough for a lot of coders.