Forget about Greg Perry's underfunded pension whining, that's a red herring. Though as someone who's lived in Mountain View for eight years I would say that our city council has done a pretty good, though far from perfect, job in the face of a terrible economy the last four years.
A big problem I have with this deal is that Google is not just building office space on federal land but also housing (up to 2,000 units) and retail space. Guess what? There won't be any taxes paid on the homes and stores either. Most Google employees are younger, many in the age range when having kids is common, and those children will be going to local schools even though this deal will avoid paying into the school district to fund the increased enrollment.
For those of you who said that hey, it's not like Google was paying local taxes now, I guess you forgot where the company's main office complex currently sits. That would be Mountain View and so, yes, they do pay local taxes because of it and that money would evaporate with this deal.
Even given these negatives I do believe that Google and NASA should make the deal; the underfunded pension liabilities are indeed irrelevant. However, if the company executives want to live up to "Do No Evil" then they should alter the terms to account for the cost the development will incur. Otherwise this will be just one more in the recent skein showing Google's corporate morality is now second banana to a misguided self-interest.
Please tell me why the article link goes to Science Blog when the entire entry is simply a copy & paste of an original article from the Washington University in St. Louis University News? Were the extra two clicks too much work for CowboyNeal before approving the post? Pretty sad, IMO, since the submitter BenSullivan is the same Ben Sullivan who produces the attempt at moneymaking blog.
Adam Bosworth? Surely he's key to whatever client-side initiatives the Mountain View Monster is developing and yet no mention of him by Dvorak (not too surprising) or here (AFAICS).
Your figures ignore the taxes that, at least in the US, will be deducted as withholding from salary. $50k after US and state (esp. California and NY where so many Indian workers are located) surely comes to less than $35k net and so the savings end up much lower. Then again, H1-b is usually closer to six years than two.
You're forgetting that the nations of the world, though the UN, have already signed a treaty that prevents any single nation or private corporate entity from exploiting extraterrestrial resources. No corp would be allowed to go to the Asteroid Belt and bring *anything* back unless they agreed to give the minerals to the UN for use/dispersal.
Sorry, said I was new to start with, but the reason I asked is that the SP being considered for a from-scratch project offers the two as alternatives, Webmin free, Plesk $10/month.
WTF do we need this for? The band is hardly obscure, whether one enjoys the music or not, and they aren't dead or broke either AFAIK. Wouldn't the musicians involved be better off creating their own new, original music instead of trying to drag some cred off the cape of an MIA '70s band?
No wonder this comment was posted as AC since it is just a dupe of something posted last year and even that comment was posted anonymously so I expect it was copied from elsewhere (though Google is not showing me where that might be).
Remove the funny points! Do not encourage IP theft!
I'm just thinking out loud here but I think the cost is not just for the addresses, which are a one-time (per address) expense, but the bandwidth, preparation, and other resources used in actually sending a spam attack.
Literal reading, fed or state issue, aside, equal protection does not mean that everyone who violates a law must be prosecuted or prosecuted to the same degree.
This is clearly demonstrated when two cars are speeding and a cop only pulls one of them over for ticketing. You can scream until you're blue in the face but numerous court decisions (IANAL so don't ask for cites) have upheld the right of police and prosecutors to 'use discretion' in these decisions.
I really like my Vaio, thought the price was fair for the features 18 months ago and the screen is great.
But now I have 802.11b set up and wanted to take my laptop to the local coffee shop with no-fee WiFi service. Got there only to find myself with a "Battery less than 10% charged...shutting down" message on bootup. Oddly the battery showed 100% charged when I left home but I'd never tried to use the battery before.
Calling the Sony support line I got the same "Pay us $20 before we'll talk with you" message. They don't even stock the battery on the website by now (18/19 months after purchase) and other stores want at least $183.
Fsck Sony! But are other companies all that much better? MS, Dell, HP, Sun have all been slammed here in the recent past. Laptops are not really build at home projects after all. Fsck them all!
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LOL, an anonymous coward, woohoo, you got the guts!
So where do you live and what's so freaking cool about it? Surely, the fact that you live there means the entire state gets modded down two points.
At least Microsoft is singular, and they aren't in the position to sell me a car, book plane tickets, give me a loan, or offer me a long-distance plan.
You may have heard of CarPoint, Expedia, and they have a financial joint venture too, just can't think of the name of it, maybe FirstData? Okay, so they traded their 75% of Expedia to USA Networks for stock. The only one in your list MS doesn't do is long distance, and Paul Allen is working on that.
Okay, so the author missed a little bit. But he's opened a clear dialogue and that can't hurt.
I just read Proudly Serving My Corporate Masters (buy it or read it online at http://books.iuniverse.com/viewbooks.asp?isbn=0595 161286&page=fm1) and Breaking Windows (http://breakingwindows.net) and I think a key lesson from both is the importance of evangelism. Win the developers and you win the battle. Network effect/tipping point is key here and with time and continued effort (and probably a little good luck) Linux will reach the necessary level to be at leas a co-equal desktop platform.
Other posters have questioned if Linux should be (at least in part, or have the capability of being) a Windows clone. I agree with those who say it shouldn't but then again that's the beauty of this open source world cuz those who think otherwise are welcome to go for it.
My thought is that the Office paradigm is 10 years old as a GUI and 20 years old (+-) in the sense of L1-2-3/WordPerfect apps. Haven't we learned enough over these years to devise a better way of helping people get ordinary business tasks done? Should the community invent an improved combustion engine or a practical fuel cell?
Soegaard does point out, more or less, that Office forces users to adapt their work processes to its features/capabilities. Better software would, at a minimum, be adaptable to those processes instead. Mark Hurst's GoodEasy system for the Mac (http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt) points to one small step in this direction but I don't feel it goes near far enough.
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Forget about Greg Perry's underfunded pension whining, that's a red herring. Though as someone who's lived in Mountain View for eight years I would say that our city council has done a pretty good, though far from perfect, job in the face of a terrible economy the last four years.
A big problem I have with this deal is that Google is not just building office space on federal land but also housing (up to 2,000 units) and retail space. Guess what? There won't be any taxes paid on the homes and stores either. Most Google employees are younger, many in the age range when having kids is common, and those children will be going to local schools even though this deal will avoid paying into the school district to fund the increased enrollment.
For those of you who said that hey, it's not like Google was paying local taxes now, I guess you forgot where the company's main office complex currently sits. That would be Mountain View and so, yes, they do pay local taxes because of it and that money would evaporate with this deal.
Even given these negatives I do believe that Google and NASA should make the deal; the underfunded pension liabilities are indeed irrelevant. However, if the company executives want to live up to "Do No Evil" then they should alter the terms to account for the cost the development will incur. Otherwise this will be just one more in the recent skein showing Google's corporate morality is now second banana to a misguided self-interest.
Please tell me why the article link goes to Science Blog when the entire entry is simply a copy & paste of an original article from the Washington University in St. Louis University News? Were the extra two clicks too much work for CowboyNeal before approving the post? Pretty sad, IMO, since the submitter BenSullivan is the same Ben Sullivan who produces the attempt at moneymaking blog.
Adam Bosworth? Surely he's key to whatever client-side initiatives the Mountain View Monster is developing and yet no mention of him by Dvorak (not too surprising) or here (AFAICS).
Your figures ignore the taxes that, at least in the US, will be deducted as withholding from salary. $50k after US and state (esp. California and NY where so many Indian workers are located) surely comes to less than $35k net and so the savings end up much lower. Then again, H1-b is usually closer to six years than two.
You're forgetting that the nations of the world, though the UN, have already signed a treaty that prevents any single nation or private corporate entity from exploiting extraterrestrial resources. No corp would be allowed to go to the Asteroid Belt and bring *anything* back unless they agreed to give the minerals to the UN for use/dispersal.
People pray to game companies now? I know we live in a very strange post-modern world but I thought only musicians were gods.
Sorry, said I was new to start with, but the reason I asked is that the SP being considered for a from-scratch project offers the two as alternatives, Webmin free, Plesk $10/month.
(I'm fairly uneducated in these matters but need to make a choice soon, hence the following question.)
How does Webmin compare (regarding security) with Plesk?
But are the cheesesteaks any good?
WTF do we need this for? The band is hardly obscure, whether one enjoys the music or not, and they aren't dead or broke either AFAIK. Wouldn't the musicians involved be better off creating their own new, original music instead of trying to drag some cred off the cape of an MIA '70s band?
No wonder this comment was posted as AC since it is just a dupe of something posted last year and even that comment was posted anonymously so I expect it was copied from elsewhere (though Google is not showing me where that might be).
Remove the funny points! Do not encourage IP theft!
I'm just thinking out loud here but I think the cost is not just for the addresses, which are a one-time (per address) expense, but the bandwidth, preparation, and other resources used in actually sending a spam attack.
Literal reading, fed or state issue, aside, equal protection does not mean that everyone who violates a law must be prosecuted or prosecuted to the same degree.
This is clearly demonstrated when two cars are speeding and a cop only pulls one of them over for ticketing. You can scream until you're blue in the face but numerous court decisions (IANAL so don't ask for cites) have upheld the right of police and prosecutors to 'use discretion' in these decisions.
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I really like my Vaio, thought the price was fair for the features 18 months ago and the screen is great.
But now I have 802.11b set up and wanted to take my laptop to the local coffee shop with no-fee WiFi service. Got there only to find myself with a "Battery less than 10% charged...shutting down" message on bootup. Oddly the battery showed 100% charged when I left home but I'd never tried to use the battery before.
Calling the Sony support line I got the same "Pay us $20 before we'll talk with you" message. They don't even stock the battery on the website by now (18/19 months after purchase) and other stores want at least $183.
Fsck Sony! But are other companies all that much better? MS, Dell, HP, Sun have all been slammed here in the recent past. Laptops are not really build at home projects after all. Fsck them all!
LOL, an anonymous coward, woohoo, you got the guts!
So where do you live and what's so freaking cool about it? Surely, the fact that you live there means the entire state gets modded down two points.
backers have the $$$ to totally flood the media (which they own)
If they own the media, they don't need to flood them with stories, they just need to not broadcast or print anything at all on the subject.
Newsflash: /. is ad-supported and you read /. You probably want CmdrTaco and crew to keep the site going, eh? Newsflash: $$$ are required for this.
At least Microsoft is singular, and they aren't in the position to sell me a car, book plane tickets, give me a loan, or offer me a long-distance plan.
You may have heard of CarPoint, Expedia, and they have a financial joint venture too, just can't think of the name of it, maybe FirstData? Okay, so they traded their 75% of Expedia to USA Networks for stock. The only one in your list MS doesn't do is long distance, and Paul Allen is working on that.
But will JBoss run into the same licensing issues that Enhydra Enterprise did? Uh oh.
Okay, so the author missed a little bit. But he's opened a clear dialogue and that can't hurt.
5 161286&page=fm1) and Breaking Windows (http://breakingwindows.net) and I think a key lesson from both is the importance of evangelism. Win the developers and you win the battle. Network effect/tipping point is key here and with time and continued effort (and probably a little good luck) Linux will reach the necessary level to be at leas a co-equal desktop platform.
I just read Proudly Serving My Corporate Masters (buy it or read it online at http://books.iuniverse.com/viewbooks.asp?isbn=059
Other posters have questioned if Linux should be (at least in part, or have the capability of being) a Windows clone. I agree with those who say it shouldn't but then again that's the beauty of this open source world cuz those who think otherwise are welcome to go for it.
My thought is that the Office paradigm is 10 years old as a GUI and 20 years old (+-) in the sense of L1-2-3/WordPerfect apps. Haven't we learned enough over these years to devise a better way of helping people get ordinary business tasks done? Should the community invent an improved combustion engine or a practical fuel cell?
Soegaard does point out, more or less, that Office forces users to adapt their work processes to its features/capabilities. Better software would, at a minimum, be adaptable to those processes instead. Mark Hurst's GoodEasy system for the Mac (http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt) points to one small step in this direction but I don't feel it goes near far enough.
Brainstorm, people!