And lets not forget that Javascript kid (not so kid now) with his goatee and still riding on his skateboard. He's making ends meet by delivering errands between the rest of the neighborhood.
Once the data is adjusted for the correct calibration, the slight differences have been fixed. No need to cruxify Nasa again.
As stated in the article:
Squyres is "not embarrassed at all" about the slip-up with the rovers. "It was an easy mistake to make," he says. "It happened during some very busy and stressful times." He also says it is not fair to compare it to past mishaps because the spacecraft suffered no damage
Man that home page is pathetic. Is he 5 years old?
Too bad I don't have mod points right now.
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* sigh *
Well I could care less for XML, the fact that I get paid to code for it is my only inclination to understand it.
I don't understand if XML is such a bad idea why haven't other superior alternatives been more popular? If it's because of the ignorant and stupid (which I agree they are) managers imposing it to their developers and engineers? Is marketing really that powerful?
By reading this thread in slashdot (and others) I hear a lot of grief but I can't find an alternative that other people agreed on using.
So, in the end if it takes 40 hours instead of 1 to acomplish the same thing I will get payed anyways, I still can't beleive technical merit for any standard could be such a terrible victim.
peace.
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Well, the intention was not to say that XML is better or the best but to explain what is used for.
So it happens that the history of XML allowed it to be used and distributed easier than LISP s-exps. Any other standard could be used, the usefulness is that at least someone can agree to use it so we don't have to reinvent the wheel everytime.
I think the confusing part is that we are used to working with XML by reading it from a file, and so the risk of attaching it early to a specific format... but with Web Services XML could be streamed on the fly between servers to achieve some level of communication. This could help build new ideas/systems based on what it's agreed on. Meaning that if one system uses one binary representation that is different from my binary representation I have to account for the convertion before I can work with the data.
The little I studied about communication protocols is that you get involved with automata theory, in where you have to account for all posible states where your automata could end up based on a particular stage of your communication protocol. And I just thought that on top of that you still have to account for all possible types of dates or floating point data interpretations and surely it would become a very complex system.
Is not that it's written in stone, new alternatives could always be used and based on the complaints of this thread I'm sure that something will come up. As an example, SOAP was preached as the best solution for distributed RPC calls but it is so extensive that already a simpler alternative has been adopted extensively. Look at XML-RPC it's a good read.
Right. And the if the boundaries are between remote systems the better it is.
Not the same as "program to an interface, not an implementation"... (The three amigos book)
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I think it's been said previously. Communication protocols are not easy to implement and if on top of that you add your own data representation, it will basically lock everybody into a very unflexible solution (not Universal).
The thing is that XML excels at transporting data between computer systems. I'm talking
Windows ->Macintosh ->Unix ->VMS Mainframe ->"Rusianiski" ->Windows
Instead of agreeing with the authors/creators of all these systems in defining how a number or a date or a floating point is going to be sent over the wire, they can all agree on XML.
So if the rusian guys have this very exotic computer that saves data in a very special format, it can still share data with the outer world by using XML as the standard.
So what happens when we want to talk to a Chinese or Indian system? Good luck trying to put everybody together again because the chinese want to send their special characters in a conflicting encoding that it's already in use by the russians.
(FOR EXAMPLE).
The beauty part is that those battles have already been fought and XML has risen as a good standard.
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Two words: Web Services.
It doesn't have to be SOAP. But if you are going to publish a web service you need at least to describe what the data looks like. And the client is not going to install your software to establish communication, he/she will only make a call to your server like a http request and you will respond with a stream of data.
That data would be VERY useful if it is described in a standard format like XML.
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Yes, that's implementation.
But the question was if it is a universal data description language. Sending binary will kill your data the first time you try to comunicate to a macitosh or Unix system (big endian, little endian).
The common lowest denominator is just text, so to describe any structure we have trees in XML.
Probably the confusion is the influence of Object Oriented design with Entity Relationship schemas in databases. The way that one-many relationships are described in both areas makes sparks fly.
Pivoting on table data is what OO makes it look easy but complicated in ER. For these kinds of problems XML is just the messenger.
I might be wrong but doesn't Oracle allow you to return data in xml format? I wonder how efficient that is.
By reading the introduciton...
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I realize that he was defining the vocabulary of the subjects that he will talk about later. I recognize this as very important first step that many authors take for granted.
Vocabulary increases our understanding of the entities that we want to work with, so we don't spend our time arguing about what we are trying to say...
For this I remember Ludwig Wittgenstein and his methodology of achieving the Truth by establishing the meaning of words and their relationship with thoughts and their link to reality. I most likely got that wrong (read it in school long time ago) but that philosophy is heavily based on logic and predicates.
My point is, I liked how (at least from reading the intro) how he is preparing us to talk about the rest of the book. Conclusion, I ordered the book.
And also shows how important it is to invest in our kids education and shows what's the effort and investement required. It might sound a little "hippie"-ish but for what it is being spent in defense, at least 5% of that could go a long way in assuring a better future for the kids and the country in general.
Economically and strategically it would prove disastrous not to have the people with the right skills and education... There can be so many successful rock bands, actors, footbal players but I suspect there would be a far greater need for doctors, nurses, engineers, programmers, accountants, researchers, etc. And probably even lawyers. Just checking the population trends in North America will show that baby boomers are retiring in mass and the service sector will be squezeed for bodies to fill in the gaps.... anyway I will get off my podium now (thank you UN delegates!!)
Slashdot Mirror
3) If you can't ship the right product to the right person then you have bigger problems than this
My thoughts exactly.
At first sight the web site doesn't look very sophisticated but after checking a few songs I can appreciate the quality of some of the bands there.
Thanks.
Link is better.
Thanks.
My favorite is this one Take Cover!!
By looking at the CBC site it appears they took the picture from Victoria, BC. Did anyone see it like that?
*SNORT* That's so true!!
And lets not forget that Javascript kid (not so kid now) with his goatee and still riding on his skateboard. He's making ends meet by delivering errands between the rest of the neighborhood.
Once the data is adjusted for the correct calibration, the slight differences have been fixed. No need to cruxify Nasa again.
As stated in the article:
Squyres is "not embarrassed at all" about the slip-up with the rovers. "It was an easy mistake to make," he says. "It happened during some very busy and stressful times." He also says it is not fair to compare it to past mishaps because the spacecraft suffered no damage
So true, unfortunately Intel has 80% of the world market and AMD barely reaches 16%.
But AMD keeps growing, it needs to keep investing in more manufacturing plants and production could soon match levels for mass distribution.
It shows how hard it's been to steer Intel's big hull around to fight the waves of change. AMD is more like speedboat.
I meant to ask "What IF"
must be friday.
In keeping with tradition, I didn't RTFA but I did notice on ThinkSecret's site several way to leave anonymous information.
In such case all ThinkSecret can do is show their logs. It would be up to the (allegedly) Apple employee to have covered his/her tracks appropriately.
Oh god! the more I scroll down the more harder I laugh!!
Man that home page is pathetic. Is he 5 years old?
Too bad I don't have mod points right now.
* sigh *
Well I could care less for XML, the fact that I get paid to code for it is my only inclination to understand it.
I don't understand if XML is such a bad idea why haven't other superior alternatives been more popular? If it's because of the ignorant and stupid (which I agree they are) managers imposing it to their developers and engineers? Is marketing really that powerful?
By reading this thread in slashdot (and others) I hear a lot of grief but I can't find an alternative that other people agreed on using.
So, in the end if it takes 40 hours instead of 1 to acomplish the same thing I will get payed anyways, I still can't beleive technical merit for any standard could be such a terrible victim.
peace.
Well, the intention was not to say that XML is better or the best but to explain what is used for.
So it happens that the history of XML allowed it to be used and distributed easier than LISP s-exps. Any other standard could be used, the usefulness is that at least someone can agree to use it so we don't have to reinvent the wheel everytime.
I think the confusing part is that we are used to working with XML by reading it from a file, and so the risk of attaching it early to a specific format... but with Web Services XML could be streamed on the fly between servers to achieve some level of communication. This could help build new ideas/systems based on what it's agreed on. Meaning that if one system uses one binary representation that is different from my binary representation I have to account for the convertion before I can work with the data.
The little I studied about communication protocols is that you get involved with automata theory, in where you have to account for all posible states where your automata could end up based on a particular stage of your communication protocol. And I just thought that on top of that you still have to account for all possible types of dates or floating point data interpretations and surely it would become a very complex system.
Is not that it's written in stone, new alternatives could always be used and based on the complaints of this thread I'm sure that something will come up. As an example, SOAP was preached as the best solution for distributed RPC calls but it is so extensive that already a simpler alternative has been adopted extensively. Look at XML-RPC it's a good read.
Right. And the if the boundaries are between remote systems the better it is.
Not the same as "program to an interface, not an implementation"... (The three amigos book)
So if the rusian guys have this very exotic computer that saves data in a very special format, it can still share data with the outer world by using XML as the standard.
So what happens when we want to talk to a Chinese or Indian system? Good luck trying to put everybody together again because the chinese want to send their special characters in a conflicting encoding that it's already in use by the russians. (FOR EXAMPLE).
The beauty part is that those battles have already been fought and XML has risen as a good standard.
Two words: Web Services.
It doesn't have to be SOAP. But if you are going to publish a web service you need at least to describe what the data looks like. And the client is not going to install your software to establish communication, he/she will only make a call to your server like a http request and you will respond with a stream of data.
That data would be VERY useful if it is described in a standard format like XML.
Yes, that's implementation.
But the question was if it is a universal data description language. Sending binary will kill your data the first time you try to comunicate to a macitosh or Unix system (big endian, little endian).
The common lowest denominator is just text, so to describe any structure we have trees in XML.
Probably the confusion is the influence of Object Oriented design with Entity Relationship schemas in databases. The way that one-many relationships are described in both areas makes sparks fly.
Pivoting on table data is what OO makes it look easy but complicated in ER. For these kinds of problems XML is just the messenger.
I might be wrong but doesn't Oracle allow you to return data in xml format? I wonder how efficient that is.
I realize that he was defining the vocabulary of the subjects that he will talk about later. I recognize this as very important first step that many authors take for granted.
/obscure?
Vocabulary increases our understanding of the entities that we want to work with, so we don't spend our time arguing about what we are trying to say...
For this I remember Ludwig Wittgenstein and his methodology of achieving the Truth by establishing the meaning of words and their relationship with thoughts and their link to reality. I most likely got that wrong (read it in school long time ago) but that philosophy is heavily based on logic and predicates.
My point is, I liked how (at least from reading the intro) how he is preparing us to talk about the rest of the book. Conclusion, I ordered the book.
Well apparently many other programmers that do these things have been hired and so we have these problems including at the OS level!
Parent post explained it concisely, no need to top it off with the latest sarcastic slashdot cliche.
Bah!
That sounds like a very good proposal.
... anyway I will get off my podium now (thank you UN delegates!!)
And also shows how important it is to invest in our kids education and shows what's the effort and investement required. It might sound a little "hippie"-ish but for what it is being spent in defense, at least 5% of that could go a long way in assuring a better future for the kids and the country in general.
Economically and strategically it would prove disastrous not to have the people with the right skills and education... There can be so many successful rock bands, actors, footbal players but I suspect there would be a far greater need for doctors, nurses, engineers, programmers, accountants, researchers, etc. And probably even lawyers. Just checking the population trends in North America will show that baby boomers are retiring in mass and the service sector will be squezeed for bodies to fill in the gaps.
You do if are constantly invaded by root kits, since there is no guarantee of removing one completely.
SysInternals Releases RootkitRevealer
Why not spend the money on a license of Xandros. I've heard it is one of the easiest distributions to use yet.
Xandros Desktop OS Version 3 Deluxe Edition
Amen. Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
/Please mod parent up.
Intel wake up!! See how easy it is to upgrade, no new socket layouts, no new motherboards.
/owns AMD, trying very hard to repress fanboy attitudes.
Besides trying to determine what model is the Pentium dual core gives me headaches.