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Mount St. Helens Shoots Steam, Ash

Wynken de Word writes "Months after the preliminary signs starting showing, Washington State's Mount St. Helens is sending a plume of steam and ash 7,600 metres into the air as of Tuesday, 17:25 PST. See the U.S. Geological Survey site for more updates and, come daylight, check out the Mount St. Helens VolcanoCam."

337 comments

  1. No worries by RileyLewis · · Score: 3, Funny

    This story is just a bunch of hot air.

    1. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A whole thread of puns, each funnier than the previous!!! How do you people manage to come up with so many?!

    2. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A whole thread of puns...

      That's a crewel lye.

    3. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry fella, I modded you funny, but it seems my esteemed colleagues consider 0 to be too high a rating for you, as they persisted in modding you down after you'd reached zero on the way back up.

    4. Re:No worries by seminumerical · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why do people do slashdottians sometimes do that? You got modded to -1, funny, Hehe. Well I have one last mod point to give away ... wait, now you are up to 0, funny. Well you can have my last point anyway.

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    5. Re:No worries by seminumerical · · Score: 1

      Okay, I see that I am a newbie! Now I can't mod cause I posted. Duh...

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    6. Re:No worries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw this on wikipedia last night, except the picture was from 1982. So I did not beleive it, at least after I looked into it. My friend who lives in washington said they did not even notice it.

    7. Re:No worries by tylernt · · Score: 1

      Obviously, AC reads Piers Anthony... or is that Pier Xanthony?

      Augh, I can't believe I said that.

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    8. Re:No worries by Cyberherbalist · · Score: 1

      Living not far from this fascinating truncated cone, I try to keep a watch on it, but it premontory rumblings today and its blowing big clouds into the air went completely by me until the 11 oclock news. My brother lives closer, and he got a photo of the ashclould from his roof, taken ten minutes after the eruption started. I think he must have heard it. I wrote a little VolcanoWatcher app that captures and stores the jpegs from the VolcanoCam, and of course I completely missed getting any shots from it! Argh. Just turn my head for an instant, and ' THAR SHE BLOWS! Something about a watched pot... or in this case, volcano.

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    9. Re:No worries by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      Just think of it as a big pimple on Earth's face that needs to be popped. Ewww...

    10. Re:No worries by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yep- saw the big cloud while riding home on Max last night. Thanks to our wierd weather pattern this winter- all the ash went to the underpopulated east. Not a single flake fell on my property in Beaverton. Damn- I was looking forward to getting a serious case of Dementia Concretia thus using a Roadside Attraction to seal my escape from the common economy....

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  2. Ouch! by Wwolmack · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, some people would say steam deserves it, but shooting Ash is just wrong.

    Thanks folks, I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiterbot.

    1. Re:Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that.

      By the way, St. Helena's mount... would that be the Trojan horse?

    2. Re:Ouch! by dauthur · · Score: 0

      Which is the one with the gun?

    3. Re:Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks folks, I'll be here all week.

      I'm pretty sure Megan's Law doesn't apply to the Internet, so no warning was necessary.

    4. Re:Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, some people would say steam deserves it, but shooting Ash is just wrong.

      I don't know. With the number of neurons my children waste on Pokemon, I'm often tempted to shoot Ash.

    5. Re:Ouch! by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Shoulda linked Ash to Ash Ketchum (pokemon).

      At least then nobody would care if you blew him out a volcano...

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    6. Re:Ouch! by Animekiksazz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't he get shot out of a volcano once, they were fighting in it.. and oh god I've given away that I watched the show.

      *hides*

    7. Re:Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you Wikipedia, always here to explain a joke

    8. Re:Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      from link:

      Glen Quagmire Once made reference to Megan's law on the documentary Family Guy

      I always knew the term "documentary" was pretty broad...but cmon...

    9. Re:Ouch! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh god I've given away that I watched the show

      Yeah, that's pretty sad. You even got the reference wro... I mean...

      Now where's that "Post Anonymously" button...

  3. Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I live less than 50 miles from St Helens, and I heard about this on Slashdot first.

    1. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live less than 50 miles from St Helens, and I heard about this on Slashdot first.

      You don't have Fark bookmarked?

    2. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is worse - that you heard about it first on /. instead of looking out your window, or that I heard it on Fark two hours ago?

    3. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Hopefully by the 3rd dupe everyone in the vicinity will have learned of this.

    4. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully by the 3rd dupe everyone in the vicinity will have learned of this.

      As I walk through this world
      Nothing can stop the Dupe of URL

    5. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try stepping out of the basement once in a while

    6. Re:Amazing... by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Almost as amazing but much less nerdy ...

      I was talking to my dad on the phone about the mountain because my sister had told him she thought it was blowing ash again, so I checked the volcano cam. Nothing. Apparently I managed to hit it in the five minute window between when it popped and the next webcam update. So I missed the whole thing. It was glowing in the dark about an hour ago though.

    7. Re:Amazing... by Polybius · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It will be more amazing when Yellowstone blows its top again. I'm sure you will know if you live within 50 miles of that because you will be killed by falling rock. You will also know if you live thousands of miles east due to the rain of ash.

    8. Re:Amazing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I live less than 50 miles from St Helens, and I heard about this on Slashdot first.

      well, you probably want it that way around : i.e. i guess dont want to hear from the volcano before /.

    9. Re:Amazing... by lobsterGun · · Score: 3, Informative

      50 miles??? PAH!!!

      More like 500 miles.

      Linkey 1

      Linkey2

      Geological records indicate that Yellowstone erupts 'calendar like' every 600,000 to 650,000 years. It last erupted 640,000 years ago. It could go any day!

      At most, there's only 10,000 years left!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

    10. Re:Amazing... by goober1473 · · Score: 1

      I live 6 miles from St. Helens and the first time I read anything was on Slashdot. Mind you I am on about St. Helens in the UK.

    11. Re:Amazing... by k98sven · · Score: 1

      Lesson of the day: Just because you have several sources, doesn't mean they're any good.
      (In this case both are named 'Armageddon online', which is obviously implies a trustworthy, balanced and accurate depiction of the geology involved.)

      I suggest peeking at this instead. It's a rather large report from the US Geological Survey.

      It says (under "The future of Yellowstone volcanism"):
      About 700,000 years intervened between the climactic episodes of the first two volcanic cycles and about 650,000 years between the second two

      So perhaps 'calendar like' on a geological timescale, certainly not on a human one.

      To summarize what the report says: Does this really constitute periodicity? They don't know. (4 events isn't much to go on, now is it?)
      Does this mean there's a real risk? They don't know.

      Personally, though, I think there's a lot more in the world to worry about than the fact that if the thing is periodic, it might erupt again, possibly within the next tens of thousands of years.

    12. Re:Amazing... by The+Tarquin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the intarweb's a beautiful thing. I'm a Washingtonian, but I'm in England for a semester, and I found out before my parents did. Thank you internets, I love you. I'm a little pissed that St. Helens went and errupted without me, though. It did that the first time, too! First it can't wait 'til I'm born to erupt, now it can't do me the courtesy of waiting until I get home. Inconsiderate mountain, . . .

    13. Re:Amazing... by lobsterGun · · Score: 1

      DOOMED! I says!

      We are all DOOMED!

    14. Re:Amazing... by microwave_EE · · Score: 1

      Doomed? Especially those of us who live within 50 miles of it!

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  4. Re:Crazy by AnFraX · · Score: 0, Troll

    Maybe Allah really DOES hate the Americans!

    No, just the Washingtonian..ers.

  5. Re:fucking cool, time to climb it again by aussie_a · · Score: 1

    How does your wife feel about being called a Mount?

  6. How long before the USGS is sued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...by someone whining they weren't given enough warning?

    Cynical, perhaps, but there's a lawyer suing NOAA because they didn't give enough warning about a possible tsunami in the Indian Ocean.

    1. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by beyobe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Enquiring minds want to know: where were the psychics? Did any of "them" see this coming?

    2. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by telyio · · Score: 1

      I did. ;)

    3. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by imnojezus · · Score: 1

      Uh, this has been going on for months now. It's no suprise to anyone in the region. Don't blame the USGS if they can't get national air time over Martha, Michael, and Baretta.

    4. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm an intuitive.

      You mean helen is a volcano?

      i've been wasting all my time when saint helen of ann arbor was going to blow....

    5. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by kurzweilfreak · · Score: 1

      Of course they did, but did YOU pay the $4.99/minute to find out?!

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    6. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by quinkin · · Score: 1
      Good point re: NOAA.

      As far as I understand it (not very far...) the pacific countries had spent a large amount of time and money in the past to establish monitoring centres, distribute contact details etc. In the Indian basin no such cooperation and preparation had been enacted.

      If someone contributes time and money in establishing such a system and THEN isn't issued timely notifications then they are entitled to feel disgruntled. If they have done nothing and gotten nothing then should they be surprised?

      Q.

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    7. Re:How long before the USGS is sued by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Yes, they all did. But only after it happened.

  7. Live from Seattle... by ruprechtjones · · Score: 3, Funny

    Woo hoo! I'm watching it right now from my back door! Wait, no I'm not, it's dark here in Seattle.

    What use is it if the thing blows at 5:30pm? The local news needs footage, man!

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    1. Re:Live from Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What use is it if the thing blows at 5:30pm? The local news needs footage, man!

      Actually, the Canadian site needs metreage -- and plenty of it, considering the exchange rate.

    2. Re:Live from Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Local news had live footage. Next time watch Komo instead of CNN Headline news (as important as random dumbasses views on why young people don't watch network news are, network was a good choice in the Seattle area today).

    3. Re:Live from Seattle... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Seattle, but holy hell Portland news is in that awkward phase between a small town and a city so we have the worst mix of human interest and big city news. Last night the eruption coverage was terrible.

      I was back in South Dakota last summer watching the old KELO news out of Sioux Falls and it was more professional than all of the Portland stations put togeather.

  8. Re:fucking cool, time to climb it again by hkb · · Score: 1

    I wish.

    I check daily to see if its opened up again. Hopefully it will before Mother's Day, but not bloody likely.

    Too bad there's no cover to jump behind when a heli flies by up on the mountain.

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  9. It's dark outside by iosmart · · Score: 1

    Guess I'll have to wait until the morning to check out the cam! :-P Man, and I actually clicked it too...

    1. Re:It's dark outside by Cplus · · Score: 1

      Sadly, same here.....though I even went through the "it's the west coast, time difference, just click" thing.

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    2. Re:It's dark outside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The park service should install lights around the volcano. Maybe a boom mic for sound to help add to the entertainment.

    3. Re:It's dark outside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was looking at the camera what must have been a minute before the event earlier today... oh well if I couldn't see it from Redmond/Bellevue no biggie then right?

  10. Threat Level Severe by mctk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Surely this can be linked to Iran...

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  11. photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:photo by rathehun · · Score: 1
      Hmmm...photoblog linked on slashdot?

      "Click of death?" "Volcano picture server melts?"

    2. Re:photo by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      a well-composed photograph to be sure

      It sure is nice to see breaking-news photographs which are also visually appealing. I like how the smoke plume follows the rule of thirds :-)

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    3. Re:photo by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      As this is geek site, can you tell the stuff you use to take that excellent photo?

      If its digital, it made me impressed.

    4. Re:photo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was taken with a Nikon D70, so yes, digital. It was minimally processed in the Gimp, where I just adjusted the color curves slightly for a touch more contrast. Then, resize, and unsharpmask.

  12. Re:Lava flow by geomon · · Score: 4, Informative

    These are andesitic volcanos, not tholiitic.

    The lavas are viscous. Unless you are in the rim of the volcano or are flying over the ridge with an infrared camera you won't see lava from St. Helens.

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  13. NWCN video by bleu24 · · Score: 5, Informative

    NWCN site has a video the "Take a look inside the crater" http://www.nwcn.com/ link shows... well inside the crater. You have to sign up.

    1. Re:NWCN video by bobdotorg · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have it on good authority that their newest member is:

      email: slash@dot.com
      pass: slashdot

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    2. Re:NWCN video by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Funny

      this email guy sure gets around... we've logged his Ip from all over the world... perhaps Santa should enlist him as a helper

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    3. Re:NWCN video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like some lamewad changed the password.

  14. No Signal on the camera by jleq · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heh... no picture, just the usual red/green/blue dashes indicating "no signal", i.e. "the camera melted" Doesn't sound fun.

    1. Re:No Signal on the camera by KORfan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Web cam has been having network problems since March 5, they updated the image at 08:33 PST March 8 along with a message saying the netwrok problem was 30 miles from the camera and that it was being worked on. Of course, with the new activity, I suspect such work may be halted.

    2. Re:No Signal on the camera by loraksus · · Score: 1

      It was fixed this morning. Just dark.
      Wish they had a better camera with a nice lens and ability to take a 60 second exposure or something.

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    3. Re:No Signal on the camera by Cyberherbalist · · Score: 1

      When the old webcam broke it took them a year and a half to put a new one up. So don't ask them to improve anything, or we'd lose it entirely.

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  15. The question on everyone's mind... by skraps · · Score: 4, Funny

    How close is Mount St. Helens to Redmond?

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    1. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ahah ya beat me to it!
      -g

    2. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Close enough that they would have gotten a dusting of ash in 1980 (as did we in Portland, though I was too young to remember), but not close enough to do cover them in lava.

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    3. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by ciroknight · · Score: 1

      Too far :( (knljgkufjydfjydjydf lameness sucks...)

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    4. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by cratermoon · · Score: 1

      Mt. Ranier is much closer and much more of a danger if it were to erupt.

    5. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by CAIMLAS · · Score: 3, Funny

      But what if a large portion of the mountain were ejected in the direction (well, precisely, "at") the MS headquarters? And would there be any way to catalyze such an effect without looking suspicious?

      *reminds self to post as AC

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    6. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by ewithrow · · Score: 1
      Close enough that they would have gotten a dusting of ash in 1980 (as did we in Portland, though I was too young to remember), but not close enough to do cover them in lava.
      My dad always says how that day he went out to his car and noticed a fine layer of ash on the top. He lived in Colorado.
    7. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rainier is really only a hazard to Tacoma and the water supply to Seattle (not to mention the people who live in smaller towns closer to it). Since Rainier is about 30 miles south of Tacoma and against prevailing wind direction, it would have to be a hell of an eruption (even with massive lagunas) to hurt Tacoma. Seattle is 30 miles north of Tacoma and Redmond is about 10 miles northwest of Seattle. It is completely safe from Rainier, fortunately (because I tend to like Seattle even though the Redmond subburb is evil).

    8. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      St. Helans is MUCH closer to Linus's house and OSDL than it is to Bill's house and Redmond.

      so quit praying for an eruption please.

    9. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "How close is Mount St. Helens to Redmond?"

      Ack! NO!! Nintendo's in Redmond!!

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    10. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by peebeejay · · Score: 1

      Not close enough....

    11. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by MostlyHarmless · · Score: 1
      but not close enough to do cover them in lava.


      I read that as "cover them in Java" and immediately had the mental image of some weird plot by Sun microsystems to rain coffee beans down on Redmond, Washington.

      (methinks I need more sleep... or more caffeine)
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    12. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by jd · · Score: 1

      There are closer volcanos that would shoot considerably more ash. Mount Rainier, for example. As for aiming it - well, that's going to be in the next service pack.

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    13. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by WindBourne · · Score: 1
      As for aiming it - well, that's going to be in the next service pack.

      Well, the good news is, that I doubt that they could hit the broadside of a barn located on the montain. The bad news is, they would probably take out the rest of the USA.

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    14. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by codemachine · · Score: 1

      They had dust on their cars in southern Alberta and Saskatchewan too, though probably a fair bit less than Redmond and Seattle had.

    15. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by yiffyfox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Keep in mind that Mt. Rainier is covered with glaciers and would cause massive mud slides if it erupted.

      http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/text/abtus/ourorg/dem /E MDiv/Mt%20Rainier%20VHRP.htm

      In addition to producing tephra, magmatic eruptions of Mt. Rainier can produce lava flows or pyroclastic flows (fast-moving, hot, lethal avalanches of volcanic fragments and gas). The direct effects of such flows are to be expected on and near the steep flanks of Mt. Rainier, largely within the boundaries of Mt. Rainier National Park.

      Much more far-reaching destruction can result from lahars that originate at Mt. Rainier. Deposits of at least 55 lahars within the last 10,000 years have been identified in the large valleys draining Mt. Rainier.

      Lahars look and behave like flowing wet concrete owing to their characteristically high concentration of entrained sediment (commonly less than or equal to 60 volume percent). Because they are gravity flows, they become channeled into valleys. Led by a steep front charged with boulders, logs and any other available debris, they quickly fill pre-existing channels and spread across the adjacent flood plains, destroying mature forests and any human-made structures in their paths, including bridges, dams, roads, pipelines and buildings.

      The depth and speed of a lahar depend on its size, its sediment concentration and the valley configuration. At Mt. Rainier, most of the large lahars are inferred to have traveled as fast as 50 miles/hr at depths of 100 ft or more in confined valleys and at a lower velocity and lesser depth in the wide, populated valleys of the Puget Lowland. For example, remnant valley-wall deposits indicate that the Electron lahar was approximately 50 ft deep in its passage through the mile-wide Puyallup valley 1 1/4 miles upstream from Orting. However, the Electron lahar was about 180 ft deep 6 miles farther upstream, where the main part of the canyon is only about 1/4 miles wide.

      A critical implication from a hazard-mitigation standpoint is that a massive lahar from Mt. Rainier may occur without the kinds of warning usually associated with an impending eruption.

      One much larger, post glacial, flank-collapse lahar has been identified. Known as the Osceola Mudflow, it occurred about 5,600 years ago and was between 10 and 20 times the volume of the Electron lahar. It originated as a massive collapse of Mt. Rainier's summit and upper northeast flank. The Osceola Mudflow filled valleys of the White River system north and northeast of Mt. Rainier, covered more than 80 sq. mi. of the Puget Lowland, and extended into Puget Sound from what are now the Puyallup and Duwamish River valleys. Considered as "worst-case" or "maximum lahar" (only one lahar of this size is known to have occurred in 10,000 years), lahars of this magnitude have been assigned a recurrence interval of 10,000 years.

    16. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info. But Redmond's still safe because its too far away. Too bad for the Tacoma area.

    17. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by b-baggins · · Score: 1

      Yep. I remember that. A few days after the eruption, there was a fine layer of powdered ash all over everything. This was in Colorado Springs.

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    18. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      Too young to remember!??!?!?! I feel old. :(

    19. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by slackerboy · · Score: 1

      I remember it because my prents gave me a paper dust mask and let me play in the ash with my Tonka trucks. Great fun! (We were in Olympia and had a fair amount as I recall.)

      Hmmm. Mybe that doesn't help you feel any younger.

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    20. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > But what if a large portion of the mountain were ejected

      That's pretty much what happened in 1980. If you look at a picture of the
      mountain today, you'll see that the crater is fairly sizeable. It wasn't
      nearly that big before 1980. The immediate area had some very impressive
      mudslides and stuff as a result, and a whole lot of layers of sediment
      were deposited, and all kinds of interesting stuff. It's a fascinating
      eruption to study, because we have a lot more information about it than
      most of the other large ones in recorded history (e.g., Krakatoa), due
      to its location and recentness.

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    21. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by jonadab · · Score: 1

      See for instance the before and after shots here.

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    22. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Close enough, if we start work on the canal right now .

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    23. Re:The question on everyone's mind... by ChuckleBug · · Score: 1

      Here in Seattle (this goes for Redmond, too) we didn't get a whole lot of ash in 1980. The prevailing winds blow east, and we're north and a bit west. I remember one day when we got a light dusting, but that was about it.

      My friend's dad was pulling his small boat back from a fishing trip to Moses Lake that day, and the boat filled up with ash.

  16. Did we actually LEARN anything? by SamMichaels · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This happened before...quite recently in the grand scheme of things. Lives were lost, lives were ruined, towns destroyed. There's a small vial of dust sitting on a shelf in my parents' house.

    I'd be interested in hearing about the new technology since then as well as what they plan to do. Detailed info seems scarce on the geological site.

    1. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by JanneM · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested in hearing about the new technology since then as well as what they plan to do.

      They? Do? Who are those "they", exactly? If you are living close to an active volcano, I'd say "I" is a better way to frame that question than "they".

      And as for doing, it's a volcano - if it starts acting up, you get out of the way, that's about all you can do. A very effective first step would be not living close to an active volcano in the first place.

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    2. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by geomon · · Score: 1

      A very effective first step would be not living close to an active volcano in the first place.

      There is no place on the planet that is *completely* safe from natural disaster.

      Volcanos, earthquakes, tsunamis, tornados, hurricanes, floods, wild fire, etc.

      Where would you move that is completely safe?

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    3. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by RsG · · Score: 1

      >Where would you move that is completely safe?

      About 6 feet underground ought to do it :-)

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    4. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'd be interested in hearing about the new technology since then as well as what they plan to do.

      In the wake of the disastrous 1980 eruption, the government has been stockpiling hundreds of thousands of tons of baking soda in depots all along the Cascade Range.

      The plan to combat future eruptions is to utilize a fleet of C-130 transports to bombard the volcanoes with massive quantities of baking soda. When the blanket of baking soda combines with the acidic volcanic gasses and melting snowcaps, it will expand into a thick layer of foam that will absorb any lava, ash or debris before it can cause problems for the areas below.

      Our government was very careless in 1980 when they didn't do anything to stop the eruption. They've learned their lesson, and this time around they're not going to be caught off guard.

    5. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by geomon · · Score: 2, Funny

      About 6 feet underground ought to do it :-)

      Yeah, and we are all scheduled to move there someday. :p

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    6. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by JeffWhitledge · · Score: 1

      In the wake of the disastrous 1980 eruption, the government has been stockpiling hundreds of thousands of tons of baking soda in depots all along the Cascade Range.

      That was the plan before those communists at Arm & Hammer reduced their production levels screaming "Ze Americans will be buried in ash, and zen ze shall rule ze vorld! HA HA HA HA!"

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    7. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'd be interested in hearing about the new technology since then as well as what they plan to do."

      Run away. Very fast. Especially if you are on the volcano at the time.

    8. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An abyssal plain on the seafloor is the least geologically active part of the planet (as far as events that can happen in a human lifetime). All that would happen if you were to set up a base camp there is that you would slowly accumulate a layer of sediment (which is why abyssal plains have been thought of as storage areas for large amounts of trash and/or nuclear waste).

    9. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What we plan to do.

      Well, since it is a VOLCANO, we are going to get the hell out of the way and sit back and watch as nothing we can do will make a damn bit of difference.

    10. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by JanneM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no place on the planet that is *completely* safe from natural disaster.

      You are absolutely right, of course.

      However, it's not a binary choice of "safe" versus "unsafe"; it's a smooth range. And some places are inherently a lot less safe than others.

      Living within the expected reach of a known active volcano is one of those less safe places. Just beneath, or on top of, a steep cliff is another. Along a river known to overflow would be a third.

      The problem is that we really like those unsafe places, and for good reason. Floods and volcanic eruptions make for good farming. Steep cliffs make for amazing views.

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    11. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      "Where would you move that is completely safe?"

      North Dakota.

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    12. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by a1cypher · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder if anybody lives at the top of a cliff near by a commonly flooding river(waterfall perhaps) With an active volcano nearby...

      Personally, I live in a flood plane but we're relatively well protected by a massive "floodway" that routes floodwater around the city (visible from space actually. =) Other than the remote possibility of the floodway failing, we are relatively safe. No tornados, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanos.

    13. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. In North Dakota you have to worry about sheep STDs. I think it fits the wording of "natural disaster".

    14. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that the other North Dakota that doesn't have -50F winters (without factoring in windchill), and tornadoes? If it is, I wish I would have grown up there rather than the dangerous one.

    15. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by NonSequor · · Score: 2, Funny

      When you hear the eruption, duck and cover.

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    16. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Massive blizzards, summer tornado fests, swarms of mosquitoes that come at you with knife and fork, and then the rivers flood in the spring. Not to mention the frickin' cold temperatures in the winter, and boiling temperatures in the summer.

      I should know, I lived there for 15 years.

    17. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Kymermosst · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This happened before...quite recently in the grand scheme of things. Lives were lost, lives were ruined, towns destroyed. There's a small vial of dust sitting on a shelf in my parents' house.

      If by "this" you mean today's steam-and-ash explosion, and by "before" you mean the 1980 lateral blast (plinian eruption), you are wrong.

      Relatively, "this" was a firecracker and the 1980 eruption was a stick of dynamite.

      I'd be interested in hearing about the new technology since then as well as what they plan to do. Detailed info seems scarce on the geological site.

      New technology really isn't what's making a difference. GPS clinometers are nice, but keep in mind that in 1980 there was a visible bulge on the side of the mountain before the lateral blast. At the time, nobody figured it'd suddenly fall away and do what it did.

      Specifically, magma with a high gas content was building up inside the mountain due to a plugged vent. It caused visible (to the naked eye) surface deformation on the flank of the hill. Eventually, the slope of this deformation reached a critical point. Finally, coincidentally with a magnitude 5 earthquake, the unstable slope collapsed. This released the pressure on the gas-filled magma, causing instant degassing. Very much like popping the cork on a hot bottle of champaigne.

      What happened today was either a dome collapse or a minor stoppage that was overcome. A very small event.

      Mostly what's changed since 1980 is refined observation and monitoring. Believe me, they are watching for deformation, along with other factors that indicate the character of the eruption sequence. These factors include gas concentrations, surface temperature, lava extrusion rates, seismicity, and others. Instruments to monitor most of these existed in rudimentary form in 1980, they just weren't used like they are today. The huge eruption was a wake-up call: Monitoring and observation are key.

      Today's monitoring instruments are most certainly refined, of course, as technology has progressed. Accuracy has improved quite a bit, and information exchange in the age of the internet and digital communications has improved monitoring quite a bit.

      As for current monitoring technology, geophones that detect low-frequency tremors that indicate rising magma are now emplaced on the mountain and GPS clinometers measure surface deformation on the new dome and sides of the mountain. Regular flyovers also measure surface deformation with LIDAR, sense gas presense of carbon dioxide and sulfur compounds, and measure surface temperature.

      As for what "they" (the USGS is whom I presume you mean) plan to do, I imagine it is sit down and watch, issuing warnings if and when they are needed.

      Disclaimer: I am not a USGS employee, I'm a geek who considered a major in, but took a minor in Geology.

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    18. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Phosphan · · Score: 1

      That's no good protection against an asteroid.

    19. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 1

      I don't know, Northern Ireland seems to be the most boring place on earth regarding natural phenomena. No quakes, high or unusual winds, even snow and lightning are rare. Temperatures don't drop below -5 (and that's very unusual) or above 30. I guess *some* form of wave may be dangerous, but we're pretty far away from any major fault lines as far as I know.

      Of course, a few years back there was a good chance of getting shot or blown up, but I don't think that counts as a natural disaster.

      Stuart

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    20. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by ediron2 · · Score: 1
      About 6 feet underground ought to do it :-)
      Yeah, and we are all scheduled to move there someday. :p
      I'm gonna be burned at the stake by an angry mob, you insensitive clod!
    21. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is an interesting article about new technology for monitoring volcanic activity.
      http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7042&f eedId=online-news_rss20

      These Japanese scientists are using muons to look inside volcanoes. But traditional seismics are also used for volcanoe research.

    22. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by the+Dragonweaver · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not true that nobody figured on the eruption. Author Tim Cahill went to Mt. St. Helens shortly before the major eruption and asked geologists what could possibly happen; their worst-case scenario was so accurate that his article (republished in Jaguars Ripped My Flesh) was widely hailed as a perfect prediction-- right down to the body found of someone wearing a t-shirt that read "I survived Mt. St. Helens." This, of course, caused great embarrassment to Mr. Cahill, who didn't want to take credit for someone else's expertise.

      The geologists knew what could happen, but either nobody listened or the scientists were dismissed as alarmists. People take them more seriously now.

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    23. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Kymermosst · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's not true that nobody figured on the eruption. Author Tim Cahill went to Mt. St. Helens shortly before the major eruption and asked geologists what could possibly happen; their worst-case scenario was so accurate that his article (republished in Jaguars Ripped My Flesh) was widely hailed as a perfect prediction-- right down to the body found of someone wearing a t-shirt that read "I survived Mt. St. Helens." This, of course, caused great embarrassment to Mr. Cahill, who didn't want to take credit for someone else's expertise.

      The geologists knew what could happen, but either nobody listened or the scientists were dismissed as alarmists. People take them more seriously now.


      This is true, but I don't think a lot of scientists thought that there would be a lateral blast quite like this (nearly horizontal). From my understanding, the general expectation was that the magma would get through and most of the energy would go upward. Most of it went sideways instead.

      The eruption was immediately preceeded by the largest landslide in (recorded) history. According to what I learned in Geo Hazards, nobody figured on that part. The landslide contributed largely to directing the blast near horizontally.

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    24. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by SunFan · · Score: 1


      Isn't baking soda used in some fire extinguishers?

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    25. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by Tassach · · Score: 1
      Where would you move that is completely safe?
      Well, it's not completely safe, but one of the safest areas from natural disasters is Harper's Ferry West Virginia (and neighboring areas of MD and VA). You don't get many hurricanes (they tend to hit the Outer Banks in NC, and the ones that do dodge the Outer Banks don't do much damage that far inland. It's geologically stable, so you're safe from earthquakes and volcanoes, and the area is not particuarly prone to tornadoes.
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    26. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by ChuckleBug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As for what "they" (the USGS is whom I presume you mean) plan to do, I imagine it is sit down and watch, issuing warnings if and when they are needed.

      I read a book about Mt. Rainier (or as we call it up here, "The Mountain") in which the story was told of a USGS person who had to lay low in Orting as the bearer of bad news. He had been trying to get people to prepare for the possibility of a lahar like the Electron, which went right through where Orting now is. They asked him, "What can we do?" He said, "Get to high ground real fast." "No," they asked, "what do we do to protect our homes?" "Nothing," he said. They kept asking questions, and when he kept telling them there is nothing to be done to prevent this, many of them just got mad at him.

      This is not to disparage the citizens of Orting. I understand they have a very good evacuation plan in place. But the initial reaction to the bad news appeared to be blaming the messenger.

      It's hard for people to accept that there are forces of nature from which we can't shield ourselves. All we can do is try to get out of the way.

    27. Re:Did we actually LEARN anything? by rilian4 · · Score: 1
      The geologists knew what could happen, but either nobody listened or the scientists were dismissed as alarmists. People take them more seriously now.
      This is a very accurate summary of what happened. The scientists involved in 1980 had a pretty good idea of what could happen and warned people about it but not everyone listened. There was a prevailing attitude that "Mt. St. Helens would not erupt on them" and "who were these alarmist scientists trying to fool" and "How dare they keep me away from my favorite campground". The eruption in 1980 was not a big surprise to the scientists at all...
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  17. Hey, that's a US volcano. by r00t · · Score: 4, Funny

    Our volcano is blasting stuff 25000 feet up.
    (it sounds more impressive if you use feet)

    1. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      How many stacked VW beetles is that?

    2. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it must be USian, doesn't stop polluting.

    3. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Our volcano is blasting stuff 25000 feet up.
      (it sounds more impressive if you use feet)

      It's all about size with you Americans, isn't it? ;-)
    4. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by bbcisdabomb · · Score: 1

      Eeh, I estimate it's about 125000 beetles tall, or 1250000 1/10 size models. Now I just want to know where I can buy that many.

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    5. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      It would appear from this site that it is about 5,081 (25,000' / 4.92') new VW beetles stacked on top of each other.

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    6. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, last time the Euros ordered some condoms from the U.S., they specified that they be 9" long and 3" in diameter. They were shipped marked "medium".

    7. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by bbcisdabomb · · Score: 1

      The moral to this story, kids, is that I hate math.

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    8. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by Compact+Dick · · Score: 1

      Mixed up your inches and centimetres again, eh?

    9. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Haha! Those would be some small Beetles, just about 2.4" tall :)

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    10. Re:Hey, that's a US volcano. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, compared to Russia or China? Pffft.

  18. Re:fucking cool, time to climb it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have climbed Mt. St. Helen's about 10 times.
    Time to climb it again!


    It's too late now. You might have to wait awhile to be hit with a plume of superheated steam and ash.

  19. Re:Just wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very far.

  20. Here are some pictures by KenSeymour · · Score: 1

    Here are some pictures taken today. They show the ash plume.

    http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Images/M SH 04/framework.html

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  21. Pictures by kitzilla · · Score: 5, Informative
    > Has anyone found pictures of the lava flow?

    Probably aren't any yet. Any flow should have been confined to the crater and obscured by ash and steam. The event came just before local sunset. Things may be clearer in the morning.

    The Mt. St. Helens webcam sometimes picks up the infared glow of exposed lava after dark. It went offline Friday, but service was fortunately restored this afternoon -- just hours before St. Helens burped. Check to see whatever can be seen here. My site also has some background on the webcam.

    KPTV has some impressive stills of the ash plume here.

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    1. Re:Pictures by kitzilla · · Score: 1

      A reply to my own note -- the networks have footage of thin, bright red rivulets of lava trickling down the exterior crater wall. There were also still photos on Drudge last night of a small lava fountain, Seems to have been quite an eruption.

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  22. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're both wrong. He hates you both. Individually. :|

  23. Uh, it's dark outside. by Radi-0-head · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to mention it's currently nighttime where the camera is located. Duh.

    1. Re:Uh, it's dark outside. by Everleet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Strangely enough, night time in Washington looks exactly like a color bar test signal.

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    2. Re:Uh, it's dark outside. by jleq · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I always wondered what those red/green/blue color bars I see at night were. Now, I know!

    3. Re:Uh, it's dark outside. by retrosurf · · Score: 1

      Actually, the camera is sensitive in infrared, and works (some) at night. If
      you poke around on the site, you can find "nightglow" pictures.

    4. Re:Uh, it's dark outside. by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Yep, the picture you see is probably just the noise from the CCD chip and the signal amplifier. Try again when it's day.

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  24. Mt. St. Helens Video "Adams Peak" by TheWorkz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We did a video last year for the National Film Challenge which is a good depiction of what we thought an eruption should look like. :)
    www.fwstudios.com
    It was a fun video to do and we did it in only about 60 hours. (that is, wrote, rehearsed, edited, and produced)
    -Luke

    1. Re:Mt. St. Helens Video "Adams Peak" by TheWorkz · · Score: 1

      Ohhh, one more thing.. This is Mt. St Helens we did shoot at last year when it was at a Level 3 activity. We got past state troopers to shoot the film that weekend by fibbing and saying that we were shooting a wedding up the road.. There were hundreds of others who were blocked at the road block, while we were the only to get up there during this time for the project.. Just an FYI. :)

    2. Re:Mt. St. Helens Video "Adams Peak" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This information has been forwarded to the Washington State Patrol. Thank you for playing.

    3. Re:Mt. St. Helens Video "Adams Peak" by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      Wow, that movie was lame. I had to scrub my eyes with bleach after seeing that guy in a thong at the start. And what the hell is up with the ending? Turns into a B-rated porn flick. I dunno what you guys were smoking when you made this...

    4. Re:Mt. St. Helens Video "Adams Peak" by TheWorkz · · Score: 1

      You know what we were smoking. :) lol. We ended up winning "best Coming of Age Film" in Nationals out of 160+ teams. Suprised?? so were we.. Thanks for your honest opinion. :)

    5. Re:Mt. St. Helens Video "Adams Peak" by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1

      In all seriousness, the camera work and such were fine, but the acting and script were um... sub par :P But for whatever your budget was (I assume next-to-nothing), the explosion graphics weren't too shabby. Fake looking obviously, but not too shabby.

  25. Well as with any other natural event by SidV · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn Global Warming

    1. Re:Well as with any other natural event by TimeTraveler1884 · · Score: 1

      I know you were kidding, but I just wanted to say that this actually could lower the global temp. When I was a kid (90's) some mountain exploded in the Philippines and I read that the ashe released in the atmosphere lowered the global temp by a degree or two. The reason being, is it reflected radiation back out into space.

    2. Re:Well as with any other natural event by CRepetski · · Score: 2, Informative
      In 1883 the Krakatau volcano exploded in the Indonesian archepellago, shooting ash into the stratosphere.

      This caused lots of weird stuff to happen, including the sun looking blue or green, and crazy red sunsets up to three years later.

      Global temperatures were lowered up to 1.2 degrees Celcius in the following year, and didn't return to normal until 1888.

      Not to mention the huge tidal waves killing tens of thousands and the explosion being heard on 1/13th of the earth's surface.

      Crazy!

    3. Re:Well as with any other natural event by SidV · · Score: 5, Funny

      No No No

      Global warming causes Volcanoes.

      Just like it caused the Tsunami in Indonesia, the Kennedy assasination and male pattern baldness.

    4. Re:Well as with any other natural event by Johnny5000 · · Score: 1

      In 1816, Due to volcanic eruptions in Indonesia, the northeastern US was getting snowstorms in june, and seeing lake and river ice in july and august.

      Check this out:
      Year Without a Summer

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    5. Re:Well as with any other natural event by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Global warming causes Volcanoes. Just like it caused the Tsunami in
      > Indonesia, the Kennedy assasination and male pattern baldness.

      No, it's not global warming that causes baldness. It's the hole in the ozone.
      HTH.HAND.

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  26. Re:Crazy by AnFraX · · Score: 2, Funny

    You're both wrong. He hates you both. Individually. :|

    You're right. Now excuse me while I go off and cry.

  27. Is this about MSFT? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Funny
    If it were, God (tm) would have smited (smitten?) them already.

    Now, if they get consumed by a volcano, I'm just going to say it was random.

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    1. Re:Is this about MSFT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word is 'smote'.

    2. Re:Is this about MSFT? by Meetch · · Score: 1
      smited (smitten?)

      I believe you're looking for smote. Stoopid language...

    3. Re:Is this about MSFT? by dosius · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. Would have + smite = would have smitten.

      Moll.

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    4. Re:Is this about MSFT? by gstoddart · · Score: 1, Informative
      If it were, God (tm) would have smited (smitten?) them already.

      Smote.
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    5. Re:Is this about MSFT? by Peyna · · Score: 1

      Smitten is also appropriate.

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    6. Re:Is this about MSFT? by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      would have smited (smitten?)

      Smote.

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  28. OMG!!!!1 by zephc · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's blowing red, blue, green and black ash EVERYWHERE!!!

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    1. Re:OMG!!!!1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ""I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr."

      Yeah, but at least he smelled good. That's more than a lot of Slashdotters can claim.

  29. Re:Crazy by Phroggy · · Score: 1

    Yes, "Washingtonians" is the usual term.

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  30. Oops by KenSeymour · · Score: 3, Informative

    I guess it would work better as a link.

    Cascades Volcano Observatory

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    1. Re:Oops by sapgau · · Score: 1

      Link is better.
      Thanks.

      My favorite is this one Take Cover!!

    2. Re:Oops by CSG_SurferDude · · Score: 1

      Oh, just freaking great....

      They survived the eruption, but get burned to a crisp from their servers melting down from /.

    3. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I submitted that as a link instead of the broken volcano cam. Slashdot didn't think that was important enough.

  31. OMG! by cmacb · · Score: 0, Redundant

    All I see is black on that camera...it's as if the view was obscured by... err... steam and ash.

    1. Re:OMG! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 3, Funny
    2. Re:OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      All I see is black on that camera...it's as if the view was obscured by... err... steam and ash.

      Or maybe even a planet.

    3. Re:OMG! by mtrisk · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do believe that is the first time I've seen a South Park screen capture modded up as informative.

      /. never ceases to amaze me!

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    4. Re:OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice job stealing that from the fark thread fuckhole...

    5. Re:OMG! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      Funny mods don't count for karma...

      No profit, so I claim fair use!

  32. Whoa! by sapgau · · Score: 1

    By looking at the CBC site it appears they took the picture from Victoria, BC. Did anyone see it like that?

    1. Re:Whoa! by gblues · · Score: 1

      No, that picture was probably taken from Portland. If it had been taken from Victoria, BC you would be able to see the crater.

      Nathan

    2. Re:Whoa! by plog · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If it had been taken from Victoria, BC you would be able to see the crater.

      Is that a typo? There is an impressive mountain range and a whole lotta horizon between BC and Mt. St. Helens. You can, however, see Mt Baker from Victoria, which puffs a little steam sometimes.

    3. Re:Whoa! by fuzzbrain · · Score: 1

      It's been a while since I was last in Victoria but as I recall you can't see Mount St Helens from there-- you can, however, see Mount Baker.

    4. Re:Whoa! by rev063 · · Score: 1

      Can't see any reference to Victoria on the CBC page now, but are you sure you weren't confusing Vancouver, Washington (right next to Portland Ore, and about 50 miles from Mt St Helens) with Vancouver, British Columbia?

    5. Re:Whoa! by spewey · · Score: 1

      Well, it's certainly hard to see from Vancouver, Tennessee.

  33. About 140 miles... by Radi-0-head · · Score: 1

    By road. Maybe 100 miles as the crow flies. The volcano would have to take out Seattle first I think.

    1. Re:About 140 miles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Details, only minor details.

  34. Congratulations by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

    Mt Ruapehu, (vulcanocam) one of our vulcanos, became active for about a year in 1995/1996 and is now pregnant with a lahar. We're probably about a year away from birth. The event is highly anticipated, with special communication links set up so that the neighbours can know as soon as possible.

    (No disrespect for the victims of Tangiwai is intended by the light-hearted nature of this post.)

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    1. Re:Congratulations by Engineer+Andy · · Score: 1

      And the crazy thing is that the government was happier to let an unpredictable lahar occur than to let contractors onto the mountain to breach the wall when it was possible (not possible any more due to the height of the water behind it now).

      Got to love the political correctness back in Aotearoa.

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    2. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got to love the political correctness back in Aotearoa.

      Dunno where that is, but it's pretty bad in New Zealand too. I'm expecting assaults on the un-PC names of Mt Egmont and Mt Cook any day now... ;-)

    3. Re:Congratulations by Engineer+Andy · · Score: 1

      Dude. I left NZ to avoid Aunty Helen's nanny state, and the thought police. It may not be wonderful here in queensland, but at least you can express a view without being labelled as a backwards red-neck.

      It's bad enough that Petone in wellington has had its signs altered to be Pe-tone (or something like that).

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    4. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the Mackenzie...I have to see signs saying 'Aoraki-Mt Cook' every damn day. I tell ya, one night, me and a pot of green paint...

    5. Re:Congratulations by mikael · · Score: 1

      And the crazy thing is that the government was happier to let an unpredictable lahar occur than to let contractors onto the mountain to breach the wall when it was possible (not possible any more due to the height of the water behind it now).

      Surely it would be possible to drill a drainage channel through the solid rock underneath, and allow the water to drain out?

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    6. Re:Congratulations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must everyone persist in using that Indonesian term "lahar"? There's a perfectly good English word for these sudden-volcano-warmed-melting-glacial-land-tidal- wave-debris-flows: jökulhlaup.

  35. Re:Just wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rainier is much closer.

  36. Re:Here are some pictures MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  37. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Maybe Allah really DOES hate the Americans!

    Allah: So help me me, I hate Americans. I know, I'm going to show my displeasure by giving them an exciting but not too dangerous display of my might.

    If that doesn't work, I'll send another tsunami to Asia and make them give charity!

  38. ...more importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...does it run Linux?

  39. Just on CBC News by saskboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    CBC News just reported about 4000 small earthquakes about 200km off the west coast of Vancouver Island, none no more than 5.x on the Richter scale.

    They believe this may be related to the growth of a new underwater volcano, and hope to see it's initial erruption. This is almost certainly connected to the eruption at Mt. St. Helens, and I suspect related to the large earth quakes in south-east asia in December.

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  40. Re:Crazy by iMaple · · Score: 1

    Maybe Allah really DOES hate the Americans!
    No, just the Washingtonian..ers.


    Some one modded the parent insightful , now that IS funny :)

  41. I saw it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was flying home from SEA -> SJC this evening and saw the thing happen from 20,000 feet. The ash shot up and within a few minutes was at the same altitude as our still-climbing 737. Within a few minutes the ash was well above our altitude and the Captain came on and stated that it seemed to him to be well above 30,000 feet. Needless to say, we flew well clear of the plume.

    That being said, it was an amazing sight to see this huge jet of ash go so high, so quickly. The late afternoon sun lit it just right and I really wish I had had a camera.

    1. Re:I saw it! by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

      I wish you had your camera, too! What an awesome view that would have been. i would have been pissed if I were seated on the wrong side of the plane.

    2. Re:I saw it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i would have been pissed if I were seated on the wrong side of the plane.

      I would've just pointed to the guy on the favorable side of the plane and said "SHOE BOMB". Then I'd take pictures out of his window while the rest of the passengers were busy kicking his ass. But that's just me.

    3. Re:I saw it! by jskiff · · Score: 1

      Needless to say, we flew well clear of the plume.

      And a good thing you did, too. A British Airways 747 flew through volcanic ash once. The results were nogt good, though kudos to the crew for getting the bird down safely.

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    4. Re:I saw it! by slackerboy · · Score: 1

      A British Airways 747 flew through volcanic ash once. The results were nogt good, though kudos to the crew for getting the bird down safely.

      Interestingly enough, the last page in Discover magazine this month is about exactly this issue. You can see it here.

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  42. Too much stress. by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

    I told helen to relax. But she wouldn't listen.

    I knew it was just a matter of time before she blew her top.

    Thank you, I'm hear each tuesday thru thursday.

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    1. Re:Too much stress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with more jokes like that, you will be here alone ;)

    2. Re:Too much stress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I told helen to relax. But she wouldn't listen.
      I knew it was just a matter of time before she blew her top.


      If this were to come into contact with a joke made of normal matter, the result would be catastrophic.

  43. Newsworthy? by LokieLizzy · · Score: 1

    I wonder if we'll have a volcano-relief telethon if erupts.

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    1. Re:Newsworthy? by geomon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My son went looking for news coverage on CNN because we had heard that St. Helens was erupting.

      Nada. This is a non-event for anyone not living in the region (and I do live near St. Helens).

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    2. Re:Newsworthy? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      Go check again. It wasn't the main story, but it was on their website. Everybody loves volcanoes, although those who don't live here tend to downplay the coolness, just because they're jealous they don't have one of their own.

  44. To the tune of the old Speed Racer theme by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
    Here it comes
    Here comes St. Helens
    It's a mountain that reels
    It's a mountain and it's gonna be blowin' up sometime.

    It's gainin' on you so you better look alive.
    It's busy revvin' up a powerful mud slide.

    And when the odds are against it
    And there's lava work to do
    You bet your life St. Helens
    Will see it through.

    Flee St. Helens
    Flee St. Helens
    Flee St. Helens, Flee!

    1. Re:To the tune of the old Speed Racer theme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now do it in rap.

    2. Re:To the tune of the old Speed Racer theme by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1
      Now do it in rap

      Yeah... Uh huh So destructive I take you to the mountain top I'll let you see the lava pop Go 'head girl, don't you stop Keep goin 'til you flee that spot (woah)

  45. Re:Lava flow by Zsinj · · Score: 2, Informative

    There shouldn't be any visible lava flow. The best you will get is possibly a bit of lava oozing out at the surface - probably already crusted over, so it would just look like a rock with growing cracks. It has to do with the lava type. The lava in Hawaii, that flows very well, has much less dissolved gases and is at a higher tempurature than the lava in Mt. St. Helens. The dissolved gases is the really important part that make it more explosive. As a gaseous magma rises towards the surface, the pressure from the overlying rock lessens. Like in a soda bottle when you open the top (thus reducing pressure) the dissolved gasses bubble out to the surface. The gasses in magma have nowhere to go. The surface is clogged with solidified magma and is sealed. So, when the gasses inside the volcano dissolve, they have no volume to expand into. So the pressure goes UP UP UP! (like in a soda bottle, if you shake it.) Eventually, this pressure builds up so high that it goes KABLOOIE! and blows the piece of cooled rock that seals the to of the volcano off (this is called the Plug.) The only lava you'd see is after the plug gets blown off and while the plug re-forms.

  46. Re:Crazy by AnFraX · · Score: 1

    Some one modded the parent insightful , now that IS funny :)

    Well, they DO allow Microsoft to reside inside their borders. If I were a god I would certianly hate them.

  47. Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This was reported 24 years ago!

  48. And the corollary... by tool462 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does this mean that Mr. Gates has finally created the One Ring?

    If so, I sure hope penguins have furry feet. Fedora Baggins and Samwise Gentoo can save us.

  49. Re:I'm an american... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The metric system is the tool of the devil! My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

    / I'll also accepts furlongs per bushel.

  50. Copyright infringement by bstadil · · Score: 1

    The estate of Jackson Pollock should sue!

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  51. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I laugh every time a bunch of those nuts on the other side of the planet get wiped out by an earthquake or tsunami.

  52. good photos from Sugar Bowl camera by CRepetski · · Score: 5, Informative
    In case you don't feel like hunting through the USGS website (there's some good stuff in there!) you can cut to the chase:

    http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/MSH/Eruption04 /Monitoring/plume_in_the_evening_8march05.html

    This has some pretty good photos, as well as a picture with (MS Paint?) editing describing what's what.

    The photos are taken from a remote camera on the mountain that takes a picture every 2.5 minutes. This is as good as it gets.

    1. Re:good photos from Sugar Bowl camera by kernel_dan · · Score: 1

      MS Paint?

      The embeddded JPEG metadata indicates Adobe Photoshop 2.5

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    2. Re:good photos from Sugar Bowl camera by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "This has some pretty good photos, as well as a picture with (MS Paint?)"

      Oh come on guys, let's not be so hard on GIMP.

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    3. Re:good photos from Sugar Bowl camera by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      "as well as a picture with (MS Paint?)"

      You mean the one that looks like the profile of a breast? That's *hot*.

  53. All I know, I lernt [sic] from Gary Larson... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
    Didn't Mr. Larson do a Far Side cartoon with God sitting in front of a computer, finger poised over the "smite" key?

    That's where I got it, that's my story, it's not the whiskey, and I am sticking to it!

    Actually Dictionary.com says smitten is OK - although I find the "Did you mean smutted?" amusing.

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    1. Re:All I know, I lernt [sic] from Gary Larson... by Meetch · · Score: 1
      EEEK!

      If everyone followed Larson then I'd be be a lot more paranoid than just the tin-foil hat! Beware the poker-playing critters.

      Anyway, smite, smote, smitten... yes indeed 'tis a stoopid language. It's soooo much fun explaining that there are so many exceptions to the spelling rules, even to my rather bright 7-year-old.

      But back to the only slightly OT. Indeed, any non-denominational-specific god could have certainly found a way to smu^Ho^Hite Redmond if they really wanted to, unless it's protected as some sort of nexus for the (closed-)source of all evil in the world? :-P

  54. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cnn article said: "Glowing lava was visible inside the mountain's crater after the disturbance, which occurred at about 5:20 p.m." If they saw the lava, they should have pictures as well. The cnn article shows a picture inside the crater, but it doesn't show any glowing lava. Hopefully someone has a picture that does show the lava.

  55. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Eventually, this pressure builds up so high that it goes KABLOOIE!"

    Is this the technical term?

  56. I wonder how... by jlramirez · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Bruce Campbell is doing. All with being shot and all.

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  57. Re:Lava flow by geomon · · Score: 5, Informative

    That could be hot gas. Look up the words "nueé ardente".

    Andesitic lavas have more water in them than tholiitic. That is why volcanos on or near continental margins explode violently and lavas from island chains only shoot ~30 meters into the air.

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  58. Re:Oh, that Mt. St. Helens... by lionheart1327 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Melt Bill Gates, Melt! Wooooohooo!

    Joke people, joke.

  59. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I expect, being a god and all, that you'd probably not give a rats ass about petty little things like humans or their affairs. (Seems to be how they work.)

  60. Not that exciting by Darth+Cow · · Score: 3, Informative

    I live in Portland, Oregon, so I saw the eruption when it was taking place from my front porch.

    It really wasn't very exciting. It was just a bunch of smoke and steam, around the size of several a few months ago.

    Despite it being the sole story on the local news, nobody is going to die or even be injured. Nobody is going to care after tomorrow.

    The volcano is regrowing a lava dome, and the dome is increasing in size. There's no visible lava, or anything more than the normal pickup truck worth of rock that's been added to the dome every second since October.

    I don't get what the big deal is. It's a bit of smoke, that's all.

    1. Re:Not that exciting by GISGEOLOGYGEEK · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      How typical.

      An American thinks it wasn't exciting because no one is going to die or be injured.

      He can't see any interest in what's actually happening, he just wants to see blood and guts.

      I think Darth Cow should be tied to the whale back for a few weeks. Maybe that kind of entertainment would prevent all those Dubyas down your way from wrecking our world.

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    2. Re:Not that exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How typical.

      An [insert nationality here] doesn't like Americans for [insert reason here], so picks some random word from said American's post. He then distorts it, and applies it to all Americans. Ultimately, he fails.

    3. Re:Not that exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said he wasn't American?

    4. Re:Not that exciting by clockmaker · · Score: 1

      I live in Portland, Oregon, so I saw the eruption when it was taking place from my front porch

      The eruption took place on your front porch?

    5. Re:Not that exciting by Darth+Cow · · Score: 1

      Excuse me?!?

      I think it's not interesting because there's nothing to see other than a bunch of smoke. There are, of course, plenty of other things that are interesting besides blood and guts, but those certainly qualify in making something newsworthy.

      I don't see why this is newsworthy enough for slashdot. Sure, it's a volcano and fairly large one.

      But it just had a relatively minor eruption and spewed some ash. It's neat to see, to be sure, but hardly anything that would affect anyone. That's what I define as interesting and newsworthy: something that actually affects humanity and is in some way remarkable.

      At this point, shooting more ash and steam is hardly remarkable. Even the scientists the news stations were talking to on the phone had little to say. It's just another random, minor, burst of steam and ash. It's hardly a change from the status quo.

      And way to go with absurd, unfair and baseless extrapolations from my post.

    6. Re:Not that exciting by Darth+Cow · · Score: 1

      Very funny. I saw it from my front porch.

    7. Re:Not that exciting by Legion303 · · Score: 1

      Don't feed the trolls.

    8. Re:Not that exciting by Kredal · · Score: 1

      nonono... it's News For Nerds not because it's erupting, but because there's a live VolcanoCam! How cool is that? I bet it's running on a beowulf cluster of linux servers, too!

      What we really need is a story on the tech behind the VolcanoCam!

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    9. Re:Not that exciting by homeslice3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless you've been up close and seen something on this scale, you really don't have a clue what an awesome site it is - no TV, video or photo can capture it.

      St Helens is one of my favorite places; I ride my motorcycle there at least a couple of times a year (lots of twisties on the way and great views. The death zone from the 1980 blast is incredible - you're miles from he top and there are no trees and the closer you get the more moonscapish is it (though life is coming back incredibly fast).

      I was up last fall when the mountain was acting up - a crystal clear day and there was lots of steam and activity. Awesome sites.

      Yesterday it was cloudy in Olympia, so I didn't see the plume so I was a little bummed.

    10. Re:Not that exciting by SunFan · · Score: 1


      If no one is going to doe or even be injured, I'm suprised a local news station bothered at all to cover it. Local news in the US sucks (is this true elsewhere, too?).

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  61. Now if it'd just do that for a few weeks.. by joemc79 · · Score: 1

    ...then maybe we'd have some decent skiing out here. 2' of fresh ash anyone? :)

    1. Re:Now if it'd just do that for a few weeks.. by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 2, Funny

      Best joke/cartoon about it was during the 1980s eruptive sequence. A guy is standing in a ticket booth with a steaming volcano behind him and what's supposed to be a ski lift running up one side. The sign says "Mt. St. Helens Ski Area". The caption reads, "Sure we know how to make it stop but did you ever try to find a female virgin at a ski area?"

      Oh well, I guess you had to be there.

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  62. Stereogram by soloport · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ok, so for others, not so near... If you stare at the web cam shot long enough -- and try to look sort of past your screen -- you can see it in 3D.

    No? Just keep staring...

    1. Re:Stereogram by Knnniggit · · Score: 1

      Hey, a sailboat!

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  63. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Quick, cut off some heads to appease him!!!!!

  64. I disagree. . . by mazulauf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hmmm, are you sure you were looking in the right direction?

    I live in Beaverton, and while I couldn't see the peak (hidden behind the West Hills), I could tell the plume was a _lot_ bigger than any of the others since it started up again.

    Plus, from what I've heard, the dome is growing at the rate of a dump truck load each second (gotta be an order of magnitude more than a pickup truck). If it keeps up at this rate, then the new dome will be peeking above the rim within a few years.

    That would be kind of a neat thing to see from downtown PDX...

    1. Re:I disagree. . . by Darth+Cow · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I was looking in the right direction. I live in the west hills southwest of downtown and can see the full mountain from my house. I could very well be wrong on the dump truck vs. pickup truck thing. Still doesn't feel that remarkable to me.

    2. Re:I disagree. . . by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

      Geologists think it's cut back a bit. The last estimate I heard was about 5 m^3/s, which is a dump truck every 2 seconds. It sounds impressive, but the initial eruption displaced about 3 billion cubic meters of mountain top (0.7 cubic miles according to one source I found). Of course, that little ash burst could have been things opening up a little more. Looking at the sugarbowl camera and the video from the channel 8 chopper, it looks like this might even have come from a new vent. It's really hard to tell though, between the angle and the lighting.

      According to the USGS, the volume of the extruded lava and uplift is a little over half the size of the dome that grew from 1980-1986, and this is in just 5 months. About two weeks ago, it's highest point was just 100 feet short of "Shoestring Notch," the lowest point on the south rim. Since then it's been crumbling significantly, though, and may be shorter. I think we've got a pretty good shot of seeing something peeking in a year or two if it keeps up.

  65. Who hasn't been there? by jd_esguerra · · Score: 1

    All that urgent cramping and pressure.....

    The mad dash to seek relief.....

    And in the end it ends up being a big fart.

  66. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well is'nt that andesitastic.

  67. Mother Earth by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    Mother Earth pops a zit...

    And here we humans had the nerve to think that we were powerful, or something. I am told anecdotally that Pompeii unleashed more total energy than all of the atomic bomb tests to date.

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    1. Re:Mother Earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i do find that hard to believe, or it only includes ATOMIC bombs (ie 1950s and earlier). not a hydrogen bomb or a thermonuclear weapon of today (or the recent tests which stopped in 1992 if i recall corectly).

      either way. thats a lot more power than an eruption i would think.

    2. Re:Mother Earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I'm Troy McClure. You may remember me from such educational movies as "Earwigs, eww!" and "Man vs. Nature: The Road to Victory."

    3. Re:Mother Earth by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Pompeii was nowhere near that big. Whereas it's impossible to say with certainty, it's believed that Pompeii released less than 30 megatons of TNT in energy, going by the amount of rock remaining. Chances are you're thinking of Toba, the only supervolcano eruption known in history, which we believe occurred roughly 73,000 years ago. I'm no geologist, but with some quick math based on the numbers at that wikipedia page, I think the eruption was about 550 megatons; unfortunately the wikipedia page doesn't actually say.

      Hell, Mount Saint Helens barely has that size distinction as one of the largest volcanic events known, and that's only because we stopped serious large nuke testing in the late seventies. The 1980 Mount Saint Helens event was by far and away the most devastating volcanic event in US history. Wikipedia suggests that the 1980 event had the cumulative power of 27,000 Little Boy explosions. Little boy, the bomb which exploded over Hiroshima, had a yield of 13,000 kilotons, giving the US' largest volcanic eruption ever a yield of approximately 351 megatons.

      By contrast, the largest weapon ever tested on Earth was the Tsar Bomba, whose design allows for a hundred megaton yield, though the tested version was scaled back to 50 megaton; even so the mushroom cloud was taller than the atmosphere of the planet, and would have given fatal third degree radiation burns at a hundred kilometers from the blast site.

      That device was capable of a hundred megatons in 1961, meaning that three and a half of that bomb would match mount saint helens. By modern standards the Tsar Bomba is modest but reasonable, for a single warhead on a MIRV. A MIRV frequently carries twenty or more times the power of the 1980 Mount Saint Helens event on a single rocket. Current bomb designs are often twice or more the size of the mount saint helens 1980 event in a single device; they just haven't been set off. There are more than a dozen US nuclear designs where a single bomb is larger than the theoretical Toba event.

      Just because we haven't been stupid enough to set off the bombs of ours which are that large doesn't mean we can't bring to bear significant power. There are some which believe a bomb of that size might be enough to ignite Jupiter.

      It also takes mother earth hundreds of thousands of years, tens of millions of cubic yards of molten rock and a significant portion of her total thermal energy - nearly a quarter of a percent - to set one of those events off. By contrast, a nuke these days can be huge, be made out of a hundred fifty pounds of expensive metal, and set off in under a thousandth of a second.

      Look, Mother Earth has events whose power just makes us look stupid. Earthquakes, tsunami, hurricanes. Volcanoes just aren't one of them, as impressive as they seem. It's a bunch of molten rock and ash; big deal. Earthquakes deal with continental pressure, which makes some hot ground's kinetic energy run for cover. Tsunami involve pressure fronts crossing an ocean-sized body of water, carrying far more than enough water to put mount saint helens out of its misery. Hurricanes are atmospheric events involving huge amounts of thermal energy, water weight and electrical discharge. "But volcanoes are much hotter than hurricanes!" Yes, and they're far smaller. Hurricanes are miles across and three dimensional. Volcanoes are a few hot spurts of rock.

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  68. Re:Crazy by jbrader · · Score: 1

    We're Washingtonians

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  69. Re:fucking cool, time to climb it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About ten times? Aren't you sure?

  70. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's an ominous image that shows some orange lines presumably inside the crater. I am not a geologist (at least not professionally) but I would guess that it is probably remnants of the collapsed lava dome (and technically lava).

    On a side note, there are some amusing pictures from Portland on this site. Wish I could have seen it in person.

  71. NOT OFFTOPIC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid mods. The lava dome has collapsed! The articles say that. There is a good reason to believe that there might be visible lava at the surface (probably not a flow). Modding the parent offtopic was very narrow minded.

    1. Re:NOT OFFTOPIC by Goeland86 · · Score: 1

      wooo, slow your horses down! I'm in Portland, OR, and I was observing the plume from outside just earlier, and then tuned to the local news (Channel 8 News), and they say it MIGHT have, but that it's unlikely. Same deal on kgw.com, which is the website for the tv station. Free reg, but you get access to streaming wmv's of everything that goes on tv (and I haven't noticed any spam from that reg either, they're clean). It's not collapsed yet, the articles are being a bit presumptuous. Until the USGS confirms it, it's only a hypothesis. Besides, it's in a dome building phase, not an eruptive phase, we would've felt it here.

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    2. Re:NOT OFFTOPIC by Cyberherbalist · · Score: 1
      The new lava dome has been growing steadily for the past three months, but has recently started fragmenting and big chunks falling off, causing minor ash eruptions. The thing was unstable, and the daily reports were predicting that the dome might undergo a more serious collapse (that is, a sudden fragmentation) which was bound to result in pressure release and a big ash and steam blowout.

      So, it happened. Cool, but no big deal.

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    3. Re:NOT OFFTOPIC by Goeland86 · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. The kgw.com homepage (local news for Portland area) indicates that:
      " MOUNT ST. HELENS, Wash. -- Mount St. Helens' latest eruption lasted for about 10 minutes, hurled rocks and sent a faint ash cloud all the way to Montana, but scientists said Tuesday's blast was small and the new lava dome was intact. "

      So, I know what the reports said, but they were wrong it seems. Always wait for the officials to say something in a story like this. =)

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  72. Re:Lava flow by tricops · · Score: 1

    Don't know about pictures of the lava, but see here for a post to video of a helicopter flight around the edge of the crater. I watched it and there was indeed visible lava.

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  73. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not completely true. You will see lava, but as you stated, it is heavily viscous, and therefore will not be flowing with enough strength and volume to actually spill forth from the dome.

  74. I can see the /. headline now.... by caferace · · Score: 1

    "M$H Erupts! Covers M$ Headquarters in Java!"

  75. Re:Lava flow by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny
    The lavas are viscous.

    Hell yah they are! They will kick your ass!! I saw this one dude got stuck in the lavas and he just fucking melted...

    What?

    Oh. Nevermind.

  76. Re:Lava flow by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

    Look up the words "nueé ardente".

    All I got was some porn. Blech.

  77. Premise of article is mistaken by dhirsch226 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Months after the preliminary signs starting showing, Washington State's Mount St. Helens is sending a plume of steam and ash 7,600 metres into the air.

    It's incorrect to imply, as the posting does, that the earlier activity is "preliminary", and that now the real action is going to get going. We are, in all likelihood, in a dome-building phase. It will have natural variation, times of activity and times of quiescence, just as the volcanic system has on a geologic time scale. There is no reason to expect a large explosive event in the near future.

    -David Hirsch Asst. Professor of geology

    1. Re:Premise of article is mistaken by dhirsch226 · · Score: 1

      I'll refine last night's comment by the following: there is no reason to expect a large (1980-style) event in the near future (as reckoned on a human time scale). Of course, on the geological time scale, 1980 was hardly worth noticing, and events of that size are happening almost constantly (on the geological time scale).

      Again, expect to see ash plumes intermittently (not "periodically") as the edifice builds up again. Worth keeping an eye on, but remember that this activity indicates release of pressure, not build-up of pressure. It's the build-up that will get you. -Dave

  78. 36,000 ft. by Rafikichi · · Score: 2

    USGS Vancouver says it was actually 36,000 ft.

  79. Iran???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hummm. Blowing lots of hot steam. Not really doing much of anything. Doing no good for anybody but itself.

    Does not sound like Iran. Sounds more like on the other side of the planet.

  80. Just on CBC News.... but 2 wks old. by Rafikichi · · Score: 1

    The Juan de Fuca faultline news is close to 2 weeks old... They're now preparing dives to observe the ocean floor. Mt. St. Helens has been grumbling and burping since last October. Related? Probably not... different faultlines = different geologic plumbing. Just because these events happended in close chronological proximity doesn't provide any evidence that they're connected.

  81. Not quite as funny... by jd · · Score: 5, Informative
    I was leaving work in Vancouver at the time it blew. It was quite spectacular. The plume was impressively long. By the tail end, you could see the seperation of ash from the steam.


    What is interesting is that there was absolutely ZERO warning. There had been some minor tremors in the hours before, but nothing that would indicate something on this scale.


    Personally, I think someone slipped the volcano some lima beans.

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    1. Re:Not quite as funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF!!1!! 4 digit UID?!?

      plz2have m4d pr0pz

    2. Re:Not quite as funny... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 4, Informative

      I work in the emergency services sector in Skamania County (the county that the mountain is in) and it put us all into a flurry.

      Within 30 minutes they were having emergency meetings to discuss the ashfall, getting all the services (Fire, EMS, and Law Enforcement) briefed on what to do, etc...

      After an hour they realized the winds would blow it just past the major population areas of our county and into the neighboring county (Klickitat) to the east.

      Right now Klickitat is getting ashfall like it's snowing...

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    3. Re:Not quite as funny... by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If there's anyone in the building trade in that area, they've got a veritable goldmine coming their way. Volcanic ash can be used to make a cheap, strong concrete that will also set underwater. It's also one of the hardiest, which is good for a northern climate.

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    4. Re:Not quite as funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must've looked impressive... but I wouldn't exactly call it unexpected: Isn't the fact that it's a bloody great active volcano that has catastrophically erupted within living memory a bit of a heads-up? =)

    5. Re:Not quite as funny... by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Informative

      People in the pet shop sector have a goldmine on their hands too, I hear it's great for kitty boxes.

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    6. Re:Not quite as funny... by mpe · · Score: 1

      Must've looked impressive... but I wouldn't exactly call it unexpected: Isn't the fact that it's a bloody great active volcano that has catastrophically erupted within living memory a bit of a heads-up? =)

      The difference is that the last time it hadn't errupted for over a century. Thus had plenty of time to build up preassure.
      Far better for it to let off some steam every few decades than to do nothing then literally blow it's top...

    7. Re:Not quite as funny... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, and it will be spread across the entire county, and kind of hard to pick up. Maybe if you got an infinite number of monkeys with shop-vacs...

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    8. Re:Not quite as funny... by drMental · · Score: 1

      No warning what so ever. Just goes to prove what I have known all along, Mt.St.Helen is an Ash Hole.

    9. Re:Not quite as funny... by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      If there's anyone in the building trade in that area, they've got a veritable goldmine coming their way.

      Not to mention what fine volcanic ash does to cars. I'm not sure if air cleaners will prevent some of the ash from entering the engine and accelerating the erosion of moving parts.

      If I lived there I would consider a well-timed vacation to reduce the exposure of my lungs to that stuff, too.

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    10. Re:Not quite as funny... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A baby bottle, some gasoline, and a DEAD Lima Bean perhaps?

    11. Re:Not quite as funny... by PMuse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is interesting is that there was absolutely ZERO warning. There had been some minor tremors in the hours before, but nothing that would indicate something on this scale.

      People who live near volcanos (and earthquake faults and hurricane zones and tornado alleys and flood zones and . . . ) can acquire such an interesting perspective on what "no warning" means.

      I mean, it's a _volcano_. It warned us in 1980. What more can we expect?

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    12. Re:Not quite as funny... by stonecypher · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The ancient romans managed to collect it. What makes you think we can't? The bulk of it will be within three miles of the volcano, besides. Hell, I have a vial of ash from Mt. St. Helens' eruption around 25 years ago as a souvenier, and it's far more valuable as underwater concrete than as souveniers...

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    13. Re:Not quite as funny... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so what? :b

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  82. Seismographs by jd · · Score: 1
    There's a bunch of seismic readings taken continuously from "hot spots" in the area. From a geek standpoint, these can be as fun as the photos.


    Seismic Webcams

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  83. Consumed? Hardly by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

    Evil geniuses always tap into volcanic power. Bill is just making more room in his secret layer.

  84. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get with the program, it's IANAG

  85. Are you kidding? It's a conspiracy! by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1

    This is totally the work of HAARP. Allow me to enlighten you by slashdotting the first poor bastard to be unlucky enough to pop up in the google results.

  86. Finally! by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
    It's about time someone shot Steam. Talk about a real pain-in-the-ass way to buy/manage a computer game...

  87. In Case You Were Wondering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, Microsoft is still standing. Thanks, and have a good night. I'll be here all week.

  88. Big Deal by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Funny

    I used to live in Texas... we saw things like this after every Chili cookoff!

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  89. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're Washingtonians

    In Oregon we call you the "Californians of the North."

  90. Re:Lava flow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy crap, an informative post.
    Thanks.(not being sarcastic)

  91. VolcanoCam by ozbird · · Score: 2, Funny

    "This is a static image of Mount St. Helens, taken from the Johnston Ridge Observatory." (my emphasis.)

    Very funny - now turn the lights back on so we can see the volcano...
    Apart from the infrared glow from the lava flows last year, I've only even seen static from the camera in my timezone.

    I prefer the White Island Crater VolcanoCam - despite predictions of an acidic death, Dino lives!

  92. News by TheEnglishPatient · · Score: 1

    for Nerds or for Americans?

    1. Re:News by Monkey · · Score: 1

      Come on, at least the link is on the CBC

  93. Great, and not so great... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm glad to hear that Steam got shot. It's a crappy palladium-lite as far as I'm concerned. Maybe now that it'd dead I'll get around to buying Half-Life 2.

    But Ash getting shot was great loss. You'd think that if he could survive the army of darkness, he could survive a volcano!

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  94. There wasn't really any lava. by JeanPaulBob · · Score: 1

    There wasn't really any lava in 1980, just pyroclastics. Since that time, new lava domes have been forming, made of a high-silica lava more viscous than tooth paste--this stuff doesn't really flow, it just slowly pushes its way up to the surface.

  95. Disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might be a good time for all WA companies to review their Disaster Recovery solution(s). WA is a hot spot for earthquakes and volcanic activities.

  96. PHOTOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took pictures of the ash eruption from a clearing near my home that has a clear view of Mt St Helens.

    http://www.abraysive.com/fotomatic/

  97. Headlines by Hieronymus+Howard · · Score: 1

    Today's headline: Volcano shoots steam and ash.
    Tomorrow's headline: Bears found defecating in woods
    Friday's headline: Pope discovered to be a Catholic.

  98. That is because.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We did not have this guy protecting the volcano. Unfortunately he stands guard in New Zealand...

  99. an ac wrote by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    an ac wrote:"Try stepping out of the basement once in a while"

    And get killed by falling rocks and ash?!?! No thanks! I'd rather live in my world where I saw the headline and thought that somebody had shot the Halflife game management system and that nice man with the chainsaw from Army of Darkness.

  100. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Northeast we call all of you "hippies." You might as well all be Californians.

  101. Stereotypes are FUN! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Disclaimer: I am a citizen of the United States, AND an American.

    I also take offense at how you generalize 350 million citizens of the US, and many more that are Americans

    (hint: Canada is in "America" too, as it's a CONTINENT)

    I also live in Portland, and quite frankly, the complete lack of warning that an event like this happened kinda gives me the willies.

    How's the weather up there on your high horse? Same as it is down here? Ok.

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    1. Re:Stereotypes are FUN! by Aeolusz · · Score: 1

      Canadians live in America, but are not, "American." Geographically, yes, but in terms of nationality, you, the people of the United States, are the only Americans. Here's a question then. Is someone from Hawaii an American?

  102. The article said... by arfonrg · · Score: 1

    "about 36,000 feet" so some freak had to convert it into meters (what ever the hell those are).

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  103. Longhorn Slips Due to Eruption by bananahead · · Score: 1

    Film at 11

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  104. Funny by tommyth · · Score: 0

    This article would be more interesting if it read "Mount St. Helens Shoots Load"

  105. Re:Crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that I live in Oregon I find it funny that the news organizations are constantly saying "Pacific NORTHWEST" as if to distance themselves from california. And there's lots of news coverage of stuff in Washington and Seattle. I can't remember ever seening any kind of coverage of Portland or Oregon matters on Washington news channels.

  106. 30 miles away by Dog135 · · Score: 1

    I live just 30 miles northwest of helens, with a 45 degree view into the crater. I have a good pic of a steam puff that showed up the day before. I'd upload it, but I fear a slashdotting.

    I can see the mountain from the computer I'm sitting at. Though it's pretty boring right now.

    I didn't know it was erupting until my wife saw it on the news. I was busy programming on my computer in my office. (This computer is the "family" internet connected computer, in the kitchen)

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  107. You win! by Cyberherbalist · · Score: 1
    Right. Well, I was speculating in advance of actual data, so I deserved to get it wrong. The vulcanologists had been predicting that the new dome was going to fall apart, thus releasing some pressure and causing an event like we saw, and I thought that that might be what had happened. The new dome has already experienced some falling apart, so it seemed like a good call at the time.

    Here's a shot of the "whaleback" with one "scar" that raised some dust on 2/22, and further disintegration on 2/25. The "whaleback" is gradually coming apart.

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  108. Re:Lava flow by millennial · · Score: 1

    Incorrect. KGW TV had a chopper flying around that caught video of a lava flow, and I'm pretty sure they weren't in the rim or using an infrared camera.
    See for yourself.

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  109. Metamoderation note by billstewart · · Score: 1

    The parent article got modded redundant and I got to metamoderate. As far as I can tell, the first similar article appeared about two minutes before this one, so technically this one _was_ redundant, so I metamodded as "Fair". However, both articles were about 10 minutes after the original posting, so it may really be an issue of who hit the Enter key first. Luck of the draw, I guess.

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