I'll store a couple TB for someone for 3 grand each.
... they need you to manage backup of the data, and meet a performance SLA at all times (even in case of hardware failure); and that a defined transfer rate has to be achieved...
That's kind of a bit different use case than the OP's, don'tcha think? As in, Lambourghini vs. Yugo? SR-71 Blackbird vs.... anything?
$3000 is not that much to a corporation that needs reliability, employing someone extra and buying the hardware would not even be close.
$3000/Gb/yr. is not that much?!? Why the !@#$ can't I find clients as stupid as this? You could hire all the unemployed burger flipping living-in-their-Mom's-basement geeks in the Universe for that! I know average home users who have terabytes online. What would this scheme cost them?
Still, $3000 is an absolute bargain compared to trying to do this as a one off your self.
You've got to be kidding. The last time I looked, 4 Gb USB keys were selling for well under $50. Buy ten and copy your data to them...
Now do it again every time there is any update to your data. Let me know when you hit $3,000.
Fine, buy seven external USB drives, use one per day to do a backup, and keep the other six off site rotating daily. Seven * $250 == $1750, a little more than half what they're charging. Oh, and that $250 ea. buys you a lot more than four measly Gb.
If you need to do a backup "every time there is any update to your data", you're either doing it wrong or you need to go to clusters. I was talking about TFS, where he had one Gb of data. So many rich morons out there, and still I'm not rich.
Still, $3000 is an absolute bargain compared to trying to do this as a one off your self.
You've got to be kidding. The last time I looked, 4 Gb USB keys were selling for well under $50. Buy ten and copy your data to them, then hand them out to all of your friends and family (encrypted even). In the event that your hard drive melts down, one email Bcc'd to them all will likely get you at least five copies of your data within a day. Your next door neighbour may just walk his copy over for the price of a free cup of coffee.
Make your passphrase simple but obscure. No way three grand is a reasonable price for this.
I like how you say 12 minutes, the ignoring the other hour it takes to get everything and make it.
and frozen pizza shells? please. when I make pizza, I MAKE the fucking pizza, eh?
Cool.
We are capable of doing stuff.
Okay, maybe that was a bit cruel.
NEWSFLASH not everyone is capable of doing the same stuff.
Duh. It's a fair cop. But come on, geeks ought to be able to make their own pizza, FFS!!!111
Sorry. Actually, I've been dreading the prospect of a real Italian showing up in here. NorthAm pizza !== "pizza" as invented by Italians. Me: pepperoni (or pepper rings), mushrooms, & black olives!
That joke just never gets old. You haven't noticed the "Preview" button, I take it? As in proofread? As in, "A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools"?
Apparently cooking is like alchemy to most people.
Tycho Brahe was an alchemist, as was Isaac Newton. Chemists owe those people a lot.
I was blessed with a couple of parents who could cook and were capable of passing it on to their kids; well, one of their kids (my sister could burn Jello, but she's improved a lot since then). It was good training for an IT guy too. Recipes are just like other systems. Ingredients, timing, process, tools, presentation, yada yada. I can make a different breakfast every day of the month without repeating any of them, and I can thrill my ca. ninety year old Mom with half an hour's effort in a kitchen. It's great to not need a microwave except for leftovers. Pizza Pops?!? Screw that. Roast your girl a chicken, and she'll be crawling all over you before you're finished dinner. Now that's power!:-)
Unfortunately, not everyone can live in a city with decent pizza.
Stupidest post, EVAR!
Hint: I can make pizza. Perhaps you can too? Lina's Italian place on Centre St. N. sells frozen pizza shells. Paint with pizza sauce, add mozzarella, black olives, sliced mushrooms, and pepperoni slices (or pepper rings for vegetarians),... et viola[sic]! Twelve minutes in the oven and Bob's your uncle.
This's Slashdot. We're expected to be capable of doing stuff. Ya know? FFS.
The problem is that it's completely non-violent white collar crime being treated as if it were a murder.... It seems very unlikely that the piracy scheme in this case... cost the entertainment industry anything.
FTFY. On the other hand, it does appear these days that the MafiAA is going out of its way to generate as much bad press as it can (cf. Chris Dodd), so a stupid three time perp. sent to jail for infringing isn't exactly what they would ordinarily be proud of. A homeless Mom with five kids sent to jail is more their style.
I know of journalists, animators, artists, scientists and accountants who code **regularly** on a myriad of languages.
Journalists and accountants? So you include LaTeX and Excel as programming? I agree with the former. As for the latter, I'll admit I'm biased. Accountants, lawyers and doctors rate close to the bottom wrt IT in my experience.
Coding is what is in question here.
I don't know how you got that. Go ahead and sue me but I still believe in the Waterfall Method: Analysis, Design, Implementation, Testing, and Maintenance. Coding is (part of) implementation.
Picasso was a developer, using paint, but he was also a designer; what I'd also call an engineer, though I'd reserve the latter for someone who understands physical properties of entities, and can use complex math and physics to understand limits and stresses of those entities.
As for web developers calling themselves "Software Engineers", I'm against it. I've done it, and I'm no engineer (Programmer/Analyst & Systems Administrator).
To me, "engineer" means lives are potentially on the line, so they take their jobs very seriously. I know many of the criticisms of guilds, and I agree with many of them. However, I don't write them off as just protectionism.
I'd like to inject one thought into this discussion I've not seen mentioned yet: "Combat Engineer." How serious would you be about doing your job with sniper rounds and shrapnel raining down around you?
The submitter, Esther Schindler, is the editor of HP's IO blog. I don't think this is about her personal experiences.
Yeah. Wikipedia lists her history with "Team OS/2" (noted computer industry writer) and Evans Data Corp. No management experience, no hands on tech. experience mentioned. It sounds like she's spent her career talking to clueless management who rely on scapegoats to deflect their own inability to vet competent staff.
I doubt I'll be spending much time on HP's IO blog.
Yeah, that's the libertarian argument. Any criminal is better than the government, because the government is evil by definition...
No, it's not the libertarian argument. It's the one put forward by the framers of the US' Constitution, trying their damnedest to make sure that the US wouldn't end up with a government like it has today. Too bad they failed.
I've no sympathy for people who do this !@#$ to themselves.
I rather get the feeling that, if you were to turn up at this workplace with a roll of duct tape, an apple (fruit or computer ; doesn't really matter as long as it will fit into the target's mouth well enough to muffle the screams), a selection of home-made stun guns...
Er, hey thanks.
PHBs who see the annual maintenance cost as more desirable than submitting a CapEx line for a system that is working.
That's where their argument falls down. It's not working. Their plan failed. You can't just ignore this stuff and expect to get away with it. Entropy exists. It's always there trying to rust you out. "You can't beat the Reaper."
Everyone involved in this cockup has been ignoring reality for years. A critical system running on proprietary closed software which runs on freakin' DOS, something no fool's bothered with in close to two decades, and they wonder what they need do to get back to zero. Idiots.
Their parents should have tossed 'em off the cliff at birth.
Yes, proprietary software which only runs on DOS which can't be upgraded until the hardware it is connected to is upgraded makes it a big deal. Anyway in 2 years it can be upgraded to a windows 7 machine.
Popcorn anyone? This's either the funniest, or most tragic, story I've heard of in at least a decade. Now I understand why all that critical infrastructure that Panetta's mumbling about is web accessible. Idiots.
A system doesn't need to be supported to be able to fully work.
What?!?
If an environment is completely stable why does it need support?
What environment is completely stable? Even rocks weather away. Even Black Holes evaporate (in theory). What kind of idiot hires people who believe in such things?
I was going to say that someone would exploit a known hole before then, but this shit is so old that none of the major script kiddie tools probably would even recognize the system and have exploits for it.
If it's that old, the Morris worm would be all they need.
I'm with the guy above. I've no sympathy for people who do this !@#$ to themselves. Wake up and smell the coffee and bite the damned bullet already. No sympathy.
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And sorry but invoking clusters as any sort of solution to data protection just placed you firmly in the "don't know what they're talking about" camp.
No less than ExxonMobil thinks otherwise, so back at ya.
whoosh yourself.
I'll store a couple TB for someone for 3 grand each.
... they need you to manage backup of the data, and meet a performance SLA at all times (even in case of hardware failure); and that a defined transfer rate has to be achieved ...
That's kind of a bit different use case than the OP's, don'tcha think? As in, Lambourghini vs. Yugo? SR-71 Blackbird vs. ... anything?
$3000 is not that much to a corporation that needs reliability, employing someone extra and buying the hardware would not even be close.
$3000/Gb/yr. is not that much?!? Why the !@#$ can't I find clients as stupid as this? You could hire all the unemployed burger flipping living-in-their-Mom's-basement geeks in the Universe for that! I know average home users who have terabytes online. What would this scheme cost them?
It's simple arithmetic. I'll wait ...
Still, $3000 is an absolute bargain compared to trying to do this as a one off your self.
You've got to be kidding. The last time I looked, 4 Gb USB keys were selling for well under $50. Buy ten and copy your data to them ...
Now do it again every time there is any update to your data. Let me know when you hit $3,000.
Fine, buy seven external USB drives, use one per day to do a backup, and keep the other six off site rotating daily. Seven * $250 == $1750, a little more than half what they're charging. Oh, and that $250 ea. buys you a lot more than four measly Gb.
If you need to do a backup "every time there is any update to your data", you're either doing it wrong or you need to go to clusters. I was talking about TFS, where he had one Gb of data. So many rich morons out there, and still I'm not rich.
Still, $3000 is an absolute bargain compared to trying to do this as a one off your self.
You've got to be kidding. The last time I looked, 4 Gb USB keys were selling for well under $50. Buy ten and copy your data to them, then hand them out to all of your friends and family (encrypted even). In the event that your hard drive melts down, one email Bcc'd to them all will likely get you at least five copies of your data within a day. Your next door neighbour may just walk his copy over for the price of a free cup of coffee.
Make your passphrase simple but obscure. No way three grand is a reasonable price for this.
I like how you say 12 minutes, the ignoring the other hour it takes to get everything and make it.
and frozen pizza shells? please. when I make pizza, I MAKE the fucking pizza, eh?
Cool.
We are capable of doing stuff.
Okay, maybe that was a bit cruel.
NEWSFLASH not everyone is capable of doing the same stuff.
Duh. It's a fair cop. But come on, geeks ought to be able to make their own pizza, FFS!!!111
Sorry. Actually, I've been dreading the prospect of a real Italian showing up in here. NorthAm pizza !== "pizza" as invented by Italians. Me: pepperoni (or pepper rings), mushrooms, & black olives!
How would this apply to Apple's iMessages. (Wasn't it in the news yesterday that texting is actually decreasing! ...
Don't know. Seriously, don't care. FFS man, "How would this apply to Apple's iMessages?" Who would ask such a stupid question?!?
Jeebus.
Damn it slashdot for stripping my text.
That joke just never gets old. You haven't noticed the "Preview" button, I take it? As in proofread? As in, "A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools"?
How's about if I come over to your place and put a bullet in your head? It'll be quicker.
Just a thought.
Apparently cooking is like alchemy to most people.
Tycho Brahe was an alchemist, as was Isaac Newton. Chemists owe those people a lot.
I was blessed with a couple of parents who could cook and were capable of passing it on to their kids; well, one of their kids (my sister could burn Jello, but she's improved a lot since then). It was good training for an IT guy too. Recipes are just like other systems. Ingredients, timing, process, tools, presentation, yada yada. I can make a different breakfast every day of the month without repeating any of them, and I can thrill my ca. ninety year old Mom with half an hour's effort in a kitchen. It's great to not need a microwave except for leftovers. Pizza Pops?!? Screw that. Roast your girl a chicken, and she'll be crawling all over you before you're finished dinner. Now that's power! :-)
... or give it to me!
Get in line, pal.
Unfortunately, not everyone can live in a city with decent pizza.
Stupidest post, EVAR!
Hint: I can make pizza. Perhaps you can too? Lina's Italian place on Centre St. N. sells frozen pizza shells. Paint with pizza sauce, add mozzarella, black olives, sliced mushrooms, and pepperoni slices (or pepper rings for vegetarians), ... et viola[sic]! Twelve minutes in the oven and Bob's your uncle.
This's Slashdot. We're expected to be capable of doing stuff. Ya know? FFS.
How dare they turn down delicious tasty pizza!
When baking it, one doesn't turn pizza.
Captain Obvious, to the rescue! Yay!!!111
The problem is that it's completely non-violent white collar crime being treated as if it were a murder. ... It seems very unlikely that the piracy scheme in this case ... cost the entertainment industry anything.
FTFY. On the other hand, it does appear these days that the MafiAA is going out of its way to generate as much bad press as it can (cf. Chris Dodd), so a stupid three time perp. sent to jail for infringing isn't exactly what they would ordinarily be proud of. A homeless Mom with five kids sent to jail is more their style.
I know of journalists, animators, artists, scientists and accountants who code **regularly** on a myriad of languages.
Journalists and accountants? So you include LaTeX and Excel as programming? I agree with the former. As for the latter, I'll admit I'm biased. Accountants, lawyers and doctors rate close to the bottom wrt IT in my experience.
Coding is what is in question here.
I don't know how you got that. Go ahead and sue me but I still believe in the Waterfall Method: Analysis, Design, Implementation, Testing, and Maintenance. Coding is (part of) implementation.
Picasso was a developer, using paint, but he was also a designer; what I'd also call an engineer, though I'd reserve the latter for someone who understands physical properties of entities, and can use complex math and physics to understand limits and stresses of those entities.
As for web developers calling themselves "Software Engineers", I'm against it. I've done it, and I'm no engineer (Programmer/Analyst & Systems Administrator).
To me, "engineer" means lives are potentially on the line, so they take their jobs very seriously. I know many of the criticisms of guilds, and I agree with many of them. However, I don't write them off as just protectionism.
I'd like to inject one thought into this discussion I've not seen mentioned yet: "Combat Engineer." How serious would you be about doing your job with sniper rounds and shrapnel raining down around you?
The submitter, Esther Schindler, is the editor of HP's IO blog. I don't think this is about her personal experiences.
Yeah. Wikipedia lists her history with "Team OS/2" (noted computer industry writer) and Evans Data Corp. No management experience, no hands on tech. experience mentioned. It sounds like she's spent her career talking to clueless management who rely on scapegoats to deflect their own inability to vet competent staff.
I doubt I'll be spending much time on HP's IO blog.
The problem is, the Libertarians and Greens are actually worse than Democrats or Republicans.
Idiot. Imbecile. FOAD.
Yeah, that's the libertarian argument. Any criminal is better than the government, because the government is evil by definition ...
No, it's not the libertarian argument. It's the one put forward by the framers of the US' Constitution, trying their damnedest to make sure that the US wouldn't end up with a government like it has today. Too bad they failed.
I've no sympathy for people who do this !@#$ to themselves.
I rather get the feeling that, if you were to turn up at this workplace with a roll of duct tape, an apple (fruit or computer ; doesn't really matter as long as it will fit into the target's mouth well enough to muffle the screams), a selection of home-made stun guns ...
Er, hey thanks.
PHBs who see the annual maintenance cost as more desirable than submitting a CapEx line for a system that is working.
That's where their argument falls down. It's not working. Their plan failed. You can't just ignore this stuff and expect to get away with it. Entropy exists. It's always there trying to rust you out. "You can't beat the Reaper."
Everyone involved in this cockup has been ignoring reality for years. A critical system running on proprietary closed software which runs on freakin' DOS, something no fool's bothered with in close to two decades, and they wonder what they need do to get back to zero. Idiots.
Their parents should have tossed 'em off the cliff at birth.
To drive traffic to SlashBi, of course.
Please 'scuse my ignorance. What does "SlashBi" mean? Is that some sort of "bisexool" crack? [I have no irons in this fire; just curious.]
Yes, proprietary software which only runs on DOS which can't be upgraded until the hardware it is connected to is upgraded makes it a big deal. Anyway in 2 years it can be upgraded to a windows 7 machine.
Popcorn anyone? This's either the funniest, or most tragic, story I've heard of in at least a decade. Now I understand why all that critical infrastructure that Panetta's mumbling about is web accessible. Idiots.
A system doesn't need to be supported to be able to fully work.
What?!?
If an environment is completely stable why does it need support?
What environment is completely stable? Even rocks weather away. Even Black Holes evaporate (in theory). What kind of idiot hires people who believe in such things?
I was going to say that someone would exploit a known hole before then, but this shit is so old that none of the major script kiddie tools probably would even recognize the system and have exploits for it.
If it's that old, the Morris worm would be all they need.
I'm with the guy above. I've no sympathy for people who do this !@#$ to themselves. Wake up and smell the coffee and bite the damned bullet already. No sympathy.
Ann Coulter will stop by your house and dry hump you like a desiccated [praying] mantis in heat.
She will bite my head off when she's done, right? Then, I think I'm okay with that.