... false premises. One, that cutting spending will reduce costs.
I suggested no such thing. I suggested that those in authority to spend have disconnected themselves from "the money supply." They don't care how far into debt they spend you. They're Keynsians. It holds no meaning for them. "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money!" Jeebus. *You* should worry about that. They are out of your control.
The other false premise is that the government is actually unable to resolve the current deficit crisis in any other way. That's like running a store, and having such huge discounts that you think "OMG, I'm losing money, I'd better go cheap" when in reality, the thing to do might be to stop giving away everything to your customers.
Do you bother to think before typing? It doesn't appear so. What does that mean?
I've seen and studied a lot of paper (fiat) money based economies, and their (inevitable) results. You're buying snake-oil, and it's long time past that you should have learned not to.
Thanks for the incomplete picture, now please, tell us about the OTHER taxes being paid, and the ACTUAL spending of the budget.
I'll try (but take w a grain of salt; this is more rant than info). In this era of deficit spending, none of this stuff makes a lick of sense. Cf. that annual "debt ceiling" kafuffle that Congress goes through: the gov't wants to go further in debt to spend more money. Taxes? Ptheh. It's simpler to just print more paper (or right-shift the decimal point; whatever).
What's the US' national debt now? How many generations will it take to pay those trillions of dollars back? Does anyone in charge actually care about that kind of stuff, or does Keynesianism still rule (Yes!)?
The IRS is like paint on the hull of the Titanic. Your tax dollars cannot possibly keep that ship from sinking. As long as everyone accepts that Bernie Madoff... sorry, the Federal Reserve knows what it's doing, the dance can continue. Musical chairs anyone? Listen to the pretty music.
Ah, taxes. Payroll taxes, real estate taxes, sin taxes, sales taxes, import/export taxes, municipal taxes, state taxes, capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, estate taxes,...
You suckers. Sorry, we suckers, 'cause we built the damned thing and there's no way to avoid its clutches short of leaving for an even more rapaciously greedy venue. The only way to get your money's worth out of it is to get 'em to shoot you. Death by cop gets you out of the treadmill, but it's going to hurt.
I'll be in that roadside diner serving breakfast alongside that philosopher guy. I'm saving up to fund a new school: "Ragnar Daneskjold's School of Confrontational Politics and Gunboat Diplomacy."
Yeah, crap. No sweat. I'm easily confused (often). Add Scotch, and weird !@#$ happens. "My bad," as the kids say.
For some reason, I got really focussed on my time driving through Idaho and eastern Oregon. CSI's Nevada desert scenes could be shot there and nobody'd know the difference. Little roadside bars with rattlesnake skins nailed to the hitching posts and everything. Pretty spooky for a Canuck to run into that sort of thing so far north.
That's the second time in this thread I've read a boast like that from you guys. Do you even realize how sparsely populated Wyoming or Idaho or Oregon are? I love all three of them for being so damned empty! I've heard Nevada and Utah's even worse (better?). New York, Boston, Seattle, LA, and Washington may be full, but there's a lot of "uninhabitable" places in the US where mortals don't bother to try to settle. Even Minnesota's looking crowded to me these days.
The Nederlanders make use of every damned scrap of their territory, to the point of stealing some of it from an ocean. The US just ignores *lots* of its territory.
OT, sorry. Please tell me how to email you personally? I have questions I'd like to bounce off you and hear your opinion (wrt your specialty, politics, philosophy,...). Non-spam & etc., honest.
I remember a slashdotter telling about something similar in germany, where you can come into a shop where [they] rent you the tools, and you fix the stuff there and then. It also acted as an edutainment, with people coming in to watch and learn.
I'd happily pay admission to get into that sort of venue. That'd be fascinating entertainment for me.
Now, I doubt you'll need to look over your shoulders for them "revenooers" coming to arrest you for non-payment any more than you have your state tax office coming to you for use taxes on the purchases you made from Amazon.
Hey, they appear willing to fall for that joke where Steve Jobs' salary was a buck a year.
This is only correct if you ignore anything before, say, 2004. We've had internet gameplay since DOOM.
You kids.:-)
dict mud... Historically, MUDs (and their more recent progeny with names of MU-form) derive from a hack by Richard Bartle and Roy Trubshaw on the University of Essex's DEC-10 in the early 1980s
There's probably evidence for even more historic stuff out there. ASCII based Go gaming goes *way* back.
Association football is called that because it is played on foot, as opposed to polo, which is played on horseback. Gridiron football derives its name from the fact that the ball was historically 12 inches long.
There are so many logical disconnects in those statements, you just folded my brain inside out.
Cart leading the horse. They barrel into each other because they have the armor. If you want to reduce long term brain/body damage injuries to Football players you need to take away their pads.
Sorry, but you're the one who's not getting it. Who said anyone wanted to reduce long term brain/body damage? They wear all that armour so that they can show guys the size of small trucks smashing into each other.
Commercials aired during the halftime show is infinitely more important than your concern. No, I don't understand it either.
Have you seen the way those guys barrel into one another in the NFL? That armour stuff is a necessity.
Have you seen the way those/. geeks start out discussing the social merits of Netherlanders vs. $everybody_else, then almost immediately devolve into the relative merits of the various forms of the numerous games oddly all called "football"?
A*maz*ing!
FWIW, I can watch EPL, but because of the fans' incessant singing, I can't stand to listen to it. I prefer the Italian Serie A (and baseball). I've played rugby, and I'm never going back there. Aussie football looks really weird from what I've seen of it.
And I dearly wish I were in Holland right now, just to be around some relatively sane people for a change. I wouldn't even much care if the Nazis were invading; they're not much worse than other stupidity I seem to run across daily, and shivving them in the back with an icepick makes for a rewarding hobby.
So, many MBA/management types are tempted into thinking that even though putting all that infrastructure/mechanical control on the 'net might not be the safest idea, it sure saves money in skilled labor costs, though!
You've got to wonder, why isn't that facet taught to those MBA types? Liability can be a hell of a lot more expensive than mere labour. Are the MBAs to blame, or don't insurance companies know what they're doing?
I'm thinking of that building in Hong Kong (?) where some bright boy decided to move some honking big machinery from where it was to the roof, leading to the collapse of the building. That kind of comedy of errors just astounds me. First, why attempt it in the first place; is there no alternative, or are you just being greedy? Second, has an architect and structural engineer signed off on this? Has anyone checked those guys' credentials and work history? And on, and on. This sort of process should have been sorted out a long time ago, and those MBAs ought to be taught about this stuff before they get their parchments.
Meanwhile, there are people in my own city (Calgary, AB) who're building skyscrapers whose plate glass windows can't stay attached, leading to glass shards raining down on pedestrians, shutting down the centre of the city for two days. I think causing that sort of cock-up should be expensive, yet here we are in the 21st Century and still it happens.
All of the ones I've found had something in common -- no CS degree.
Huh. Some of the best I've worked with were self trained, some even high school dropouts. A degree can mean you can suffer regimentation and drudgery, and learn to take tests. Woohoo.
FTFY. The general public may be assumed to be idiots, but the aforementioned specialists should not.
I hope you're right (about the latter). I've met far too many people in IT who barely made the grade as far as I was concerned. Hopefully, those trades do better on that score.
I actually worked in the industry for years, it's law they have to have safeties, both mechanical and electrical...
You've more faith in the law than I. In my experience, people do what little they hope they can get away with, and the law's only purpose is to clean up the mess that they didn't get away with once their error manifests itself. I wish that were not so. I hate learning about innocents who've been victimized.
I love working with the Mike Holmes types who take their obligations seriously, but I've not met many recently who do.
In your programming world, you make shit up to comply with made up requirements, and get shitty software as a result.
Holmes Inspection is a TV series premised on the fact that home buyers have hired a professional to vet their intended buy, and have been screwed regardless. I've never been a great fan of so-called vetted professionals[*]. "MCSE" == "Must Call Somebody Else" or "Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert".:-P
And no, in my world, I study the problem to death then design a solution that's tested to death to make the problem go away forever.
[*] There are Sun Certified engineers out there who can't list a directory's contents. I can go on and on with other examples of this phenomenon (not necessarily involving Sun) until I put you to sleep, honest.
Slashdot Mirror
Says an AC: "Who up-mods this crap?"
Ha, haha, hahahaha, ... Idjit. FOAD. Seriously. Loser!
Yes, that is more rant than info.
I warned you. :-)
... false premises. One, that cutting spending will reduce costs.
I suggested no such thing. I suggested that those in authority to spend have disconnected themselves from "the money supply." They don't care how far into debt they spend you. They're Keynsians. It holds no meaning for them. "A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you're talking real money!" Jeebus. *You* should worry about that. They are out of your control.
The other false premise is that the government is actually unable to resolve the current deficit crisis in any other way. That's like running a store, and having such huge discounts that you think "OMG, I'm losing money, I'd better go cheap" when in reality, the thing to do might be to stop giving away everything to your customers.
Do you bother to think before typing? It doesn't appear so. What does that mean?
I've seen and studied a lot of paper (fiat) money based economies, and their (inevitable) results. You're buying snake-oil, and it's long time past that you should have learned not to.
FYI, I'm not TP, and not even in the US.
Wouldn't a taco chart just be the top half of a pie chart?
I love you guys. :-)
All this tax talk is making me hungry.
Snicker! :-) Stop! Please, stop! No, don't! Don't stop!
Keep it coming, you glorious bastards. I wish Douglas Adams was still alive to see this !@#$. Pardon my French.
That's a pathetic attempt at trolling.
ACs, complaining about trolling. Ha, haha, hahahahaha, ...
Loser.
Thanks for the incomplete picture, now please, tell us about the OTHER taxes being paid, and the ACTUAL spending of the budget.
I'll try (but take w a grain of salt; this is more rant than info). In this era of deficit spending, none of this stuff makes a lick of sense. Cf. that annual "debt ceiling" kafuffle that Congress goes through: the gov't wants to go further in debt to spend more money. Taxes? Ptheh. It's simpler to just print more paper (or right-shift the decimal point; whatever).
What's the US' national debt now? How many generations will it take to pay those trillions of dollars back? Does anyone in charge actually care about that kind of stuff, or does Keynesianism still rule (Yes!)?
The IRS is like paint on the hull of the Titanic. Your tax dollars cannot possibly keep that ship from sinking. As long as everyone accepts that Bernie Madoff ... sorry, the Federal Reserve knows what it's doing, the dance can continue. Musical chairs anyone? Listen to the pretty music.
Ah, taxes. Payroll taxes, real estate taxes, sin taxes, sales taxes, import/export taxes, municipal taxes, state taxes, capital gains taxes, corporate taxes, estate taxes, ...
You suckers. Sorry, we suckers, 'cause we built the damned thing and there's no way to avoid its clutches short of leaving for an even more rapaciously greedy venue. The only way to get your money's worth out of it is to get 'em to shoot you. Death by cop gets you out of the treadmill, but it's going to hurt.
I'll be in that roadside diner serving breakfast alongside that philosopher guy. I'm saving up to fund a new school: "Ragnar Daneskjold's School of Confrontational Politics and Gunboat Diplomacy."
hot water heater
Why would you want to heat water that's already hot?
Would you prefer a cold water heater? Isn't that a bit redundant? What other kind of water needs to be heated to make it hot water?
Semantics. Gotta love 'em.
Yeah, crap. No sweat. I'm easily confused (often). Add Scotch, and weird !@#$ happens. "My bad," as the kids say.
For some reason, I got really focussed on my time driving through Idaho and eastern Oregon. CSI's Nevada desert scenes could be shot there and nobody'd know the difference. Little roadside bars with rattlesnake skins nailed to the hitching posts and everything. Pretty spooky for a Canuck to run into that sort of thing so far north.
Sorry for the noise.
If you have to travel 100 miles to get something repaired, it might not be worth it.
Agreed.
What does it matter if you actually see anyone while you traverse it?
You might want to reconsider that one. I like solitude, but interesting people are often a better alternative. It's why we're here, after all.
I was just establishing the level of bullshit the original poster was at :)
ACK, but I would categorize it as ignorance, not BS (I try to be charitable first :-). ARPANET started in '68, long before most current /.ers were born.
Ignorant kids and their dick wars/hormonal imbalances ... "Get off my lawn you brats!" :-)
The US is pretty damn big.
That's the second time in this thread I've read a boast like that from you guys. Do you even realize how sparsely populated Wyoming or Idaho or Oregon are? I love all three of them for being so damned empty! I've heard Nevada and Utah's even worse (better?). New York, Boston, Seattle, LA, and Washington may be full, but there's a lot of "uninhabitable" places in the US where mortals don't bother to try to settle. Even Minnesota's looking crowded to me these days.
The Nederlanders make use of every damned scrap of their territory, to the point of stealing some of it from an ocean. The US just ignores *lots* of its territory.
Don't get me started on Alaska.
OT, sorry. Please tell me how to email you personally? I have questions I'd like to bounce off you and hear your opinion (wrt your specialty, politics, philosophy, ...). Non-spam & etc., honest.
Carry on. Whenever; no hurry. Thanks.
I remember a slashdotter telling about something similar in germany, where you can come into a shop where [they] rent you the tools, and you fix the stuff there and then. It also acted as an edutainment, with people coming in to watch and learn.
I'd happily pay admission to get into that sort of venue. That'd be fascinating entertainment for me.
The dutch are insanely thrifty people.
I thought that was the Scots.
Yes, I am a Scot. I don't consider thriftiness a character flaw. I make things go until they explode via molecular failure. No apologies. :-)
Now, I doubt you'll need to look over your shoulders for them "revenooers" coming to arrest you for non-payment any more than you have your state tax office coming to you for use taxes on the purchases you made from Amazon.
Hey, they appear willing to fall for that joke where Steve Jobs' salary was a buck a year.
This is only correct if you ignore anything before, say, 2004. We've had internet gameplay since DOOM.
You kids. :-)
dict mud ... Historically, MUDs (and their more recent progeny with names of MU-form) derive from a hack by Richard Bartle and Roy Trubshaw on the University of Essex's DEC-10 in the early 1980s
There's probably evidence for even more historic stuff out there. ASCII based Go gaming goes *way* back.
Association football is called that because it is played on foot, as opposed to polo, which is played on horseback. Gridiron football derives its name from the fact that the ball was historically 12 inches long.
There are so many logical disconnects in those statements, you just folded my brain inside out.
Cart leading the horse. They barrel into each other because they have the armor. If you want to reduce long term brain/body damage injuries to Football players you need to take away their pads.
Sorry, but you're the one who's not getting it. Who said anyone wanted to reduce long term brain/body damage? They wear all that armour so that they can show guys the size of small trucks smashing into each other.
Commercials aired during the halftime show is infinitely more important than your concern. No, I don't understand it either.
Have you seen the way those guys barrel into one another in the NFL? That armour stuff is a necessity.
Have you seen the way those /. geeks start out discussing the social merits of Netherlanders vs. $everybody_else, then almost immediately devolve into the relative merits of the various forms of the numerous games oddly all called "football"?
A*maz*ing!
FWIW, I can watch EPL, but because of the fans' incessant singing, I can't stand to listen to it. I prefer the Italian Serie A (and baseball). I've played rugby, and I'm never going back there. Aussie football looks really weird from what I've seen of it.
And I dearly wish I were in Holland right now, just to be around some relatively sane people for a change. I wouldn't even much care if the Nazis were invading; they're not much worse than other stupidity I seem to run across daily, and shivving them in the back with an icepick makes for a rewarding hobby.
My C$0.02.
So, many MBA/management types are tempted into thinking that even though putting all that infrastructure/mechanical control on the 'net might not be the safest idea, it sure saves money in skilled labor costs, though!
You've got to wonder, why isn't that facet taught to those MBA types? Liability can be a hell of a lot more expensive than mere labour. Are the MBAs to blame, or don't insurance companies know what they're doing?
I'm thinking of that building in Hong Kong (?) where some bright boy decided to move some honking big machinery from where it was to the roof, leading to the collapse of the building. That kind of comedy of errors just astounds me. First, why attempt it in the first place; is there no alternative, or are you just being greedy? Second, has an architect and structural engineer signed off on this? Has anyone checked those guys' credentials and work history? And on, and on. This sort of process should have been sorted out a long time ago, and those MBAs ought to be taught about this stuff before they get their parchments.
Meanwhile, there are people in my own city (Calgary, AB) who're building skyscrapers whose plate glass windows can't stay attached, leading to glass shards raining down on pedestrians, shutting down the centre of the city for two days. I think causing that sort of cock-up should be expensive, yet here we are in the 21st Century and still it happens.
All of the ones I've found had something in common -- no CS degree.
Huh. Some of the best I've worked with were self trained, some even high school dropouts. A degree can mean you can suffer regimentation and drudgery, and learn to take tests. Woohoo.
Your smiley face question mark just blew my mind.
You don't get out much? [Something profound goes here, but escapes me ATM ...]
Tooduls. Have fun, and try not to hurt anybody.
... The Princess Bride are all so horrible.
Bite your tongue! "I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die!"
Classic.
FTFY. The general public may be assumed to be idiots, but the aforementioned specialists should not.
I hope you're right (about the latter). I've met far too many people in IT who barely made the grade as far as I was concerned. Hopefully, those trades do better on that score.
I actually worked in the industry for years, it's law they have to have safeties, both mechanical and electrical ...
You've more faith in the law than I. In my experience, people do what little they hope they can get away with, and the law's only purpose is to clean up the mess that they didn't get away with once their error manifests itself. I wish that were not so. I hate learning about innocents who've been victimized.
I love working with the Mike Holmes types who take their obligations seriously, but I've not met many recently who do.
In your programming world, you make shit up to comply with made up requirements, and get shitty software as a result.
Holmes Inspection is a TV series premised on the fact that home buyers have hired a professional to vet their intended buy, and have been screwed regardless. I've never been a great fan of so-called vetted professionals[*]. "MCSE" == "Must Call Somebody Else" or "Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert". :-P
And no, in my world, I study the problem to death then design a solution that's tested to death to make the problem go away forever.
[*] There are Sun Certified engineers out there who can't list a directory's contents. I can go on and on with other examples of this phenomenon (not necessarily involving Sun) until I put you to sleep, honest.