The linux scenario is somewhat different, because at least the source code would likely be available. Maybe. 10 years is a fairly long time; I'd suspect that quite a few projects would be lost due to developers losing data, etc.
Btw, such a "phase out" of support for 2.x applications would likely be unacceptable -now-, let alone in 10 years. That's an MS approach to software - phase out the old software's support so we can sell more.
$40 a month less for/power/? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I've got 3+ x86 machines in my home, and our electric bill this winter has been around $50/month - and that's with the use of an electric space heater for a good 1/3rd of the 24 hour day cycle.
I'm faily certain this guy is a troll, but I'l bite.
So, what is it then exactly about the current breed of MacOS that locks a person in? People don't tend to be terribly concerned about/hardware/ lockin - they're concerned about software.
Name one thing about apple software that currently locks a person into MacOS. I'm genuinely interested. Look here if you have any doubt that apple is, indeed, embracing a more open approach.
In all honesty, I'd wager that you're likely to have better "hardware portability" with PPC stuff and macs in general in the future than with x86, due to the fact that there are many fewer variants of macs compared to PCs, and there seem to be a lot more shitty components that lack multiplatform support on PC (winmodems, nforce chipsets, and what have you).
So basically: it's wintel monoculture vs. everything else, discount or no. "choice of vendors" makes perfect sense, as when there's a monopoly with over 90% market share (hint: it's microsoft), everything else -is- a choice, if it works.
This isn't just a Mac story: The further adoption of open source is being undertaken
The irony here is, there wouldn't be a mac/apple story if it weren't for Apple having gone to OS X and a more open software philosophy. It looks like, were it not for open source, much of the revitalization that Apple has undergone in the wake of OS X would not have occured, and "Apple is dying!" would be all over slashdot - as it as prior to OS X. Haven't seen those trolls for a while, so maybe it's telling.
Of course, now there'll be 15 replies with, "Apple is dying!" or "BSD is dying!" or such, just to spite me.:P
This is why you should at least try to pay attention; reading the article would help, too.
This article is about incompetent admins and actual security breaches using exploits that have had fixes for ages. Thus, security. The windows item was on patches for actual bugs and didn't mention any specific exploit instances: thus, bugs.
Havoc? *gasp* What are you talking about? Don't you know that that's just a natural offspring of natural selection? It's the natural way of progressive evolution!
How are species supposed to evolve into new ones if they're not able to overrun other species' roosts and kill them off?
re: #1, then why are "direct to video" releases still able to make substantial amounts of money? not all of them are poorly made: quite a few of the mare well made.
Net income is unfair, because people will game the system to take large expenses at the same time that they realize large incomes, in order to keep net income down.
It's sick that this is true. In an economy where workers are valued, companies would use that profit to give more money back to the employees, improving the societal wealth.
That's BS. People who make $1M still notice $200k. It may not hurt them AS MUCH. But it still hurts them.
I'm sorry, no. It doesn't. Not when they're still making over 40 times the income of the "median". All it does is hinder their ability to purchase their second yacht, increase their wealth further (exponentially) by playing the game that is the stock market.
The current view behind =not= taxing the rich is that the rich are the ones that spur on our economy and create the jobs, thus they should be given leeway in the arena of taxes: after all, that money will come back to the public in the form of increased jobs and innovation, right? At least, that's what we plebians are told.
Of course, we all know how wrong that belief is, given the outsourcing, abuse, and other such atrocities that those At The Top perform.
"running", or jogging, as most people envision it today, sucks. It's a horrible form of exercise.
- jogging in urban environments is very, very bad for your knees due to large amounts of cement - shin splints suck. I'm not sure what causes them, but they seem to be a perpetual bane for joggers I've known. - it's inefficient - you use almost as much energy as a slow sprint, and move about as fast as a fast walk.
Instead: do something like ride a bike, row a boat (a rowboat by yourself or with someone special, or take up crew or kiaking), swimming (which, if you want to get into shape, would be ideal) or go hiking or walking in fields - all of which are good exercise, don't make you look as foolish, aren't as harsh on your body, and aren't trendy.
If you must jog, please take care of your body and don't run on hardened surfaces such as roadways and/or cement.
Um, they'd be liable for barratry, as there would be quite solid evidence acted in bad faith, ie, they knew they didn't have a case and were suing for fun.
They evidently know there's not evidence of violation within linux, as they have the SCO Unix source code to compare it. If there'd beeen evidence, they'd have presented it already. But instead they keep shifting about trying to find something that sticks. If they didn't initially know they were being fraudulent, then they would have dropped their case instead of shifting ground and claiming something else as "infringing on their IP".
I think you have it backwards. People have been moving away from the antiquity and poor planning/design of slackware for years. I've never heard of someone moving -to- slackware, or even of a new user using it.
There's even less reason to use slack now that there's gentoo. things like slapt-get are mere imitations of the quality tools.
Furthermore, would you want your distro to be associated with the shit-bomb that is ST, let alone ST2? No. So maybe this does speak with apt recognition for what slackware is, after all.
Here are my hopes: - that it's a remake, and not a sequel. - it's sexy supporting actresses disrobe - proper battle suits, damn it. - and maybe try and stick to the scifi theme, while they're at it.
I say they pulled these 'causes' out of their collective corporate asses so as to further their cause. How do they know that 'piracy, poor economic conditions and competition from video games and DVDs' are the cause of their shortcoming sales?
Piracy Piracy is the industry's perpetual phantom whipping boy. Studies have shown that, contrary to their claims, piracy seems to increase CD sales. At the very least, it's a controversal issue, and in no way could legitimately be claimed as a cause for decreased sales. Thus: this item is pure propaganda. The fact that it's first on their list only drives the point home what their intentions are.
poor economic conditions No suprise there. everyone is undergoing tough times. People have to adapt to the changing business landscape, or they will die. The only thing that makes the RIAA companies think they're any different is that they're an established monopoly, and they think they can use this change to their advantage.
competition from video games and DVDs No, this isn't competition. This is simple economics. People would rather spend their money on a different product. Competition comes into play when the products are similar and directly competing for dollars - such as, say, independent labels (which very well might be the case). It's like saying that motorcycles are competition for automobiles: they aren't, generally speaking. People still purchase cars if they own a motorcycle, and vice versa (if indeed the person has an interest in a motorcycle). The real crux of the matter is that there simply isn't a demand for CDs, as they suck. People don't want to buy a new Ford Taurus, because they're all the same fucking thing, from year to year. Humvees, VWs, and other trendy vehicles have appeal because they change.
I think what the industry is seeing is a decrease in people who simply hear a song on the radio, and then spend nearly $20 for the full CD. People are becoming more 'educated' about music. They'll either grab the MP3 they want online, or more likely, they'll find bands that have more than just a single good song per CD online, and then purchase their albums (as I and most of my friends do). Very rarely does it seem that these bands are anything but independent. There's also much more of a "music culture" surrounding good music - all the more incentive to listen to it and not the radio silt.
I don't know about recently, but: I have/had a professor (a Dr. Robert Freese, who used to be an executive - iirc - of the company that became worldcom) of mine spoke of having this, and other things like it, happen to him several times.
One instance he spoke of (during his earlier years) involved a confrontation with his boss, getting fired (I think?) and then returning as that person's boss. I believe he also mentioned an instance in which he left a company, and was later hired by one of his underlings from that company.
He also spoke of a time as a professor at a state university in which he was, believe it or not, told to train his replacement, who unbelieveably, was fresh out of school and was making twice what Freese was. He promptly told the dean to shove it.
He currently teaches at Colorado Technical University in Sioux Falls, SD. He's got quite a few accomplishments under his belt (2 majors and a PhD, black belt, veteran, to name a few), and he's one of the few people on this earth whom I can sincerely say I respect. A wonderful professor, at that.:P
For a.5 release, I'm surprised it's as incomplete as it is (as far as features are concerned). Several things of note: - a complete file browser (file dialogs are lacking) - an integrated browser (using khtml wouldn't have hurt too much, would it guys?) - a MIME editor - no Quicklaunch bar
The only really noticeable change is that it's a bit faster - and still pretty doggish, I might add. I don't personally notice any UI changes since when it was first anounced on slashdot some (6+?) months ago. Seems either their code is pretty bloaty, or their development suite is crap (Kylix).
This is certainly a project I'd like to see succeed, as it would make a very good drop-in replacement for a basic Windows desktop for the average user - to the point where they might not even notice the change, if they're already using things like OO.o and Mozilla.
I personally think that the file manager shouldn't "bother" to impliment things such as Unix permissions, but to abstract them to "Windows standards", if you will (maybe with an option for Unix permissions?).
I'd say it's VERY VERY important to impliment the Quicklaunch bar and make it so that the taskbar's position is "customizeable" as it is in Windows. Aside from the complete computer retard, it seems nearly everyone has their own "custom" taskbar setup (auto-minimize, double-deep taskbar w/ quicklaunch on top, quicklaunch on bottom, on the left side, on the right, no quicklaunch, multiple quicklaunch, quicklaunch to the right, to the left, etc.)
I'd not get into any vehicle that has the componentry to receive a broadcast that has potential to control the velocity and/or direction of the vehicle - and only posibly if it's "turned off". There's too much of a likelyhood that someone will learn how to hijack or corrupt the signal and cause havock. And then there's also a chance that if it is turned off, that someone might find a way to turn it back on remotely. Considering that this is a car, and not an easily-updateable computing device (people most certainly wouldn't bring their car into the shop to "upgrade the firmware", because they see no need and certainly wouldn't want to put down a couple hundred for a "needless" upgrade) I suspect such a thing would result in quite a lot of chaos.
Additionally, I see a couple other problems with "automated" vehicles.
- People now "have" to pay attention while they're driving. If they're feeling confident in the vehicle's ability to drive itself, they're fairly likely to space out - or at least the average person is. Surely this will lead in many accidents in and of itself: a car swirves into your lane while you're not paying attention, and your car swirves off the road, right into the 4 year old girl riding her bike. - Roads aren't currently designed to accomidate for these things - what about roads that are in poor repair, with their white and/or yellow lines faded, poorly applied, and/or with an older line conflicting with the new line? A human should be able to relatively easily tell, "well, this line isn't as faded as the other line, so it must be the correct one," but will a computer be able to do as well a job? What about snowy road conditions? - What about precipitation and/or low-cropped bushes or trees? What about objects in the road which the radar/whatever isn't able to detect which would cause a hell of a lot of trouble (such as a child's metal tricycle) at a relatively 'fast' speed (15MPH even)?
my favorites have only come by recently. while not 'nigerian' scams, they're still certainly scams. likely the first creative/entertaining spam I've seen. Ive not actually read them, but their subject lines are roughly as follows, with mixed case, l33t speak, etc etc.:
Sounds like the only one on a high horse is you. And you certainly have one hell of a chip on your shoulder. But by all means, please do tell me where you live. I'd love to go to this great utopia where everyone is free yet somehow agrees on all world conflicts, on all internal policy, has the most enlightened leader ever, and doesn't even need an army because the country is loved by everybody, world over.
Slashdot Mirror
AV? What is that? ArdVark search engine?
The linux scenario is somewhat different, because at least the source code would likely be available. Maybe. 10 years is a fairly long time; I'd suspect that quite a few projects would be lost due to developers losing data, etc.
Btw, such a "phase out" of support for 2.x applications would likely be unacceptable -now-, let alone in 10 years. That's an MS approach to software - phase out the old software's support so we can sell more.
Great. Why not buy it? You didn't give reasoning.
:) Pretty nice history.
Btw, you did go on "for a while"
$40 a month less for /power/? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I've got 3+ x86 machines in my home, and our electric bill this winter has been around $50/month - and that's with the use of an electric space heater for a good 1/3rd of the 24 hour day cycle.
I'm faily certain this guy is a troll, but I'l bite.
/hardware/ lockin - they're concerned about software.
So, what is it then exactly about the current breed of MacOS that locks a person in? People don't tend to be terribly concerned about
Name one thing about apple software that currently locks a person into MacOS. I'm genuinely interested. Look here if you have any doubt that apple is, indeed, embracing a more open approach.
In all honesty, I'd wager that you're likely to have better "hardware portability" with PPC stuff and macs in general in the future than with x86, due to the fact that there are many fewer variants of macs compared to PCs, and there seem to be a lot more shitty components that lack multiplatform support on PC (winmodems, nforce chipsets, and what have you).
So basically: it's wintel monoculture vs. everything else, discount or no. "choice of vendors" makes perfect sense, as when there's a monopoly with over 90% market share (hint: it's microsoft), everything else -is- a choice, if it works.
This isn't just a Mac story: The further adoption of open source is being undertaken
:P
The irony here is, there wouldn't be a mac/apple story if it weren't for Apple having gone to OS X and a more open software philosophy. It looks like, were it not for open source, much of the revitalization that Apple has undergone in the wake of OS X would not have occured, and "Apple is dying!" would be all over slashdot - as it as prior to OS X. Haven't seen those trolls for a while, so maybe it's telling.
Of course, now there'll be 15 replies with, "Apple is dying!" or "BSD is dying!" or such, just to spite me.
This is why you should at least try to pay attention; reading the article would help, too.
This article is about incompetent admins and actual security breaches using exploits that have had fixes for ages. Thus, security. The windows item was on patches for actual bugs and didn't mention any specific exploit instances: thus, bugs.
It all makes sense now, doesn't it?
You'd be amazed at what could be accomplished with a .45 and a full 12-round clip.
Havoc? *gasp* What are you talking about? Don't you know that that's just a natural offspring of natural selection? It's the natural way of progressive evolution!
How are species supposed to evolve into new ones if they're not able to overrun other species' roosts and kill them off?
People didn't evolve with guns around, either.
Should people laugh whenever they see someone get shot in the head?
No.
You're a sick bastard, rationalizing this.
re: #1, then why are "direct to video" releases still able to make substantial amounts of money? not all of them are poorly made: quite a few of the mare well made.
Net income is unfair, because people will game the system to take large expenses at the same time that they realize large incomes, in order to keep net income down.
It's sick that this is true. In an economy where workers are valued, companies would use that profit to give more money back to the employees, improving the societal wealth.
That's BS. People who make $1M still notice $200k. It may not hurt them AS MUCH. But it still hurts them.
I'm sorry, no. It doesn't. Not when they're still making over 40 times the income of the "median". All it does is hinder their ability to purchase their second yacht, increase their wealth further (exponentially) by playing the game that is the stock market.
The current view behind =not= taxing the rich is that the rich are the ones that spur on our economy and create the jobs, thus they should be given leeway in the arena of taxes: after all, that money will come back to the public in the form of increased jobs and innovation, right? At least, that's what we plebians are told.
Of course, we all know how wrong that belief is, given the outsourcing, abuse, and other such atrocities that those At The Top perform.
Get real. Governments have more realistic threats, concerns, and such, even if you exclude the problems they've made for themselves.
- wars
- criminals
- poverty
- health care
- etc., etc.
Any one of those things are significantly more prevailant than a large asteroid impact, let alone an extinction-level event (ELE?).
"running", or jogging, as most people envision it today, sucks. It's a horrible form of exercise.
- jogging in urban environments is very, very bad for your knees due to large amounts of cement
- shin splints suck. I'm not sure what causes them, but they seem to be a perpetual bane for joggers I've known.
- it's inefficient - you use almost as much energy as a slow sprint, and move about as fast as a fast walk.
Instead: do something like ride a bike, row a boat (a rowboat by yourself or with someone special, or take up crew or kiaking), swimming (which, if you want to get into shape, would be ideal) or go hiking or walking in fields - all of which are good exercise, don't make you look as foolish, aren't as harsh on your body, and aren't trendy.
If you must jog, please take care of your body and don't run on hardened surfaces such as roadways and/or cement.
Um, they'd be liable for barratry, as there would be quite solid evidence acted in bad faith, ie, they knew they didn't have a case and were suing for fun.
They evidently know there's not evidence of violation within linux, as they have the SCO Unix source code to compare it. If there'd beeen evidence, they'd have presented it already. But instead they keep shifting about trying to find something that sticks. If they didn't initially know they were being fraudulent, then they would have dropped their case instead of shifting ground and claiming something else as "infringing on their IP".
Seems pretty obvious to me.
I think you have it backwards. People have been moving away from the antiquity and poor planning/design of slackware for years. I've never heard of someone moving -to- slackware, or even of a new user using it.
There's even less reason to use slack now that there's gentoo. things like slapt-get are mere imitations of the quality tools.
Furthermore, would you want your distro to be associated with the shit-bomb that is ST, let alone ST2? No. So maybe this does speak with apt recognition for what slackware is, after all.
Here are my hopes:
- that it's a remake, and not a sequel.
- it's sexy supporting actresses disrobe
- proper battle suits, damn it.
- and maybe try and stick to the scifi theme, while they're at it.
I say they pulled these 'causes' out of their collective corporate asses so as to further their cause. How do they know that 'piracy, poor economic conditions and competition from video games and DVDs' are the cause of their shortcoming sales?
Piracy
Piracy is the industry's perpetual phantom whipping boy. Studies have shown that, contrary to their claims, piracy seems to increase CD sales. At the very least, it's a controversal issue, and in no way could legitimately be claimed as a cause for decreased sales. Thus: this item is pure propaganda. The fact that it's first on their list only drives the point home what their intentions are.
poor economic conditions
No suprise there. everyone is undergoing tough times. People have to adapt to the changing business landscape, or they will die. The only thing that makes the RIAA companies think they're any different is that they're an established monopoly, and they think they can use this change to their advantage.
competition from video games and DVDs
No, this isn't competition. This is simple economics. People would rather spend their money on a different product. Competition comes into play when the products are similar and directly competing for dollars - such as, say, independent labels (which very well might be the case). It's like saying that motorcycles are competition for automobiles: they aren't, generally speaking. People still purchase cars if they own a motorcycle, and vice versa (if indeed the person has an interest in a motorcycle). The real crux of the matter is that there simply isn't a demand for CDs, as they suck. People don't want to buy a new Ford Taurus, because they're all the same fucking thing, from year to year. Humvees, VWs, and other trendy vehicles have appeal because they change.
I think what the industry is seeing is a decrease in people who simply hear a song on the radio, and then spend nearly $20 for the full CD. People are becoming more 'educated' about music. They'll either grab the MP3 they want online, or more likely, they'll find bands that have more than just a single good song per CD online, and then purchase their albums (as I and most of my friends do). Very rarely does it seem that these bands are anything but independent. There's also much more of a "music culture" surrounding good music - all the more incentive to listen to it and not the radio silt.
I don't know about recently, but: I have/had a professor (a Dr. Robert Freese, who used to be an executive - iirc - of the company that became worldcom) of mine spoke of having this, and other things like it, happen to him several times.
:P
One instance he spoke of (during his earlier years) involved a confrontation with his boss, getting fired (I think?) and then returning as that person's boss. I believe he also mentioned an instance in which he left a company, and was later hired by one of his underlings from that company.
He also spoke of a time as a professor at a state university in which he was, believe it or not, told to train his replacement, who unbelieveably, was fresh out of school and was making twice what Freese was. He promptly told the dean to shove it.
He currently teaches at Colorado Technical University in Sioux Falls, SD. He's got quite a few accomplishments under his belt (2 majors and a PhD, black belt, veteran, to name a few), and he's one of the few people on this earth whom I can sincerely say I respect. A wonderful professor, at that.
(It's not like I was keeping a pet *nix-geek in a box under my bed.)
:P They're wonderful companion animals.
If you're female, you should look into getting one.
For a .5 release, I'm surprised it's as incomplete as it is (as far as features are concerned). Several things of note:
- a complete file browser (file dialogs are lacking)
- an integrated browser (using khtml wouldn't have hurt too much, would it guys?)
- a MIME editor
- no Quicklaunch bar
The only really noticeable change is that it's a bit faster - and still pretty doggish, I might add. I don't personally notice any UI changes since when it was first anounced on slashdot some (6+?) months ago. Seems either their code is pretty bloaty, or their development suite is crap (Kylix).
This is certainly a project I'd like to see succeed, as it would make a very good drop-in replacement for a basic Windows desktop for the average user - to the point where they might not even notice the change, if they're already using things like OO.o and Mozilla.
I personally think that the file manager shouldn't "bother" to impliment things such as Unix permissions, but to abstract them to "Windows standards", if you will (maybe with an option for Unix permissions?).
I'd say it's VERY VERY important to impliment the Quicklaunch bar and make it so that the taskbar's position is "customizeable" as it is in Windows. Aside from the complete computer retard, it seems nearly everyone has their own "custom" taskbar setup (auto-minimize, double-deep taskbar w/ quicklaunch on top, quicklaunch on bottom, on the left side, on the right, no quicklaunch, multiple quicklaunch, quicklaunch to the right, to the left, etc.)
I'd not get into any vehicle that has the componentry to receive a broadcast that has potential to control the velocity and/or direction of the vehicle - and only posibly if it's "turned off". There's too much of a likelyhood that someone will learn how to hijack or corrupt the signal and cause havock. And then there's also a chance that if it is turned off, that someone might find a way to turn it back on remotely. Considering that this is a car, and not an easily-updateable computing device (people most certainly wouldn't bring their car into the shop to "upgrade the firmware", because they see no need and certainly wouldn't want to put down a couple hundred for a "needless" upgrade) I suspect such a thing would result in quite a lot of chaos.
Additionally, I see a couple other problems with "automated" vehicles.
- People now "have" to pay attention while they're driving. If they're feeling confident in the vehicle's ability to drive itself, they're fairly likely to space out - or at least the average person is. Surely this will lead in many accidents in and of itself: a car swirves into your lane while you're not paying attention, and your car swirves off the road, right into the 4 year old girl riding her bike.
- Roads aren't currently designed to accomidate for these things - what about roads that are in poor repair, with their white and/or yellow lines faded, poorly applied, and/or with an older line conflicting with the new line? A human should be able to relatively easily tell, "well, this line isn't as faded as the other line, so it must be the correct one," but will a computer be able to do as well a job? What about snowy road conditions?
- What about precipitation and/or low-cropped bushes or trees? What about objects in the road which the radar/whatever isn't able to detect which would cause a hell of a lot of trouble (such as a child's metal tricycle) at a relatively 'fast' speed (15MPH even)?
my favorites have only come by recently. while not 'nigerian' scams, they're still certainly scams. likely the first creative/entertaining spam I've seen. Ive not actually read them, but their subject lines are roughly as follows, with mixed case, l33t speak, etc etc.:
rocket penis
bullet penis
reactor penis
penis launcher 3g
penis launcher md
penis launcher pro
penis rocket TM
etc. etc.
Quite humorous stuff.
Sounds like the only one on a high horse is you. And you certainly have one hell of a chip on your shoulder. But by all means, please do tell me where you live. I'd love to go to this great utopia where everyone is free yet somehow agrees on all world conflicts, on all internal policy, has the most enlightened leader ever, and doesn't even need an army because the country is loved by everybody, world over.
He must be talking about Canada.