If they are using features that only IE supports, it is an outright security issue to allow other browsers into the site. The classic example is the "Enabled" property. If they use this in even one location in their web app, the have to restrict it to IE only, because the button shows up as Enabled no matter what in any other browser. If other browsers don't disable the function properly, who knows what pages they could get to outside of the designated process flow?
As has been pointed out numerous times in this discussion, the block against IE is easily circumvented by faking a user-agent. You're depending on the proper implementation of some feature on the *client* side for security? I'll bet you do your password authentication through client-side javascript too.
No, no it's not. Where should they be stopped? Right before they start to download a tune? With a giant browser crash? How about apologizing to them when they call up and complain that they can't download the song?
Yes, yes it is. When I try to "enter" their "store", I am not even allowed to look around unless I have a proper "player". How is this not a good analogy?
They should be stopped when they try to download the song, which is the only thing that really requires the use of IE and WMP. Take them to an install page and install it then.
I've worked on many projects where it's just out of the question to add development time for "browsers that our customers have never heard of".
Really, have you? That's amazing. Sounds like you need to write a book about your experiences so the whole world can come to realize how important an issue this really is. If only everyone would develop only for IE, then web development costs around the world would plummet!
Look, we've all read various versions of your silly comment numerous times. Why do you think that none of us understand it? Yes, I understand that developing for 300 browsers is expensive. I'm not arguing against developing for the browser with the most market share. I'm arguing against companies that *purposely* restrict their site to *only* IE.
I've developed sites for IE alone before. In fact, that's how I usually do it. I don't test in anything but IE. But I try to write reasonably generic code/markup so that it will at least work in another browser, and I don't make it impossible to get to my site by putting in browser-checks, like these folks have.
Well, I run Windows at home, which is where I would probably download the music. But in the world of consumer marketing, the word is impulse buying. I'm interested RIGHT NOW. If I have to wait till I get home, I'll probably have forgotten about the whole thing. Sure it's a free country, but that doesn't mean that they're not going to lose customers by *preventing* anyone using non-windows software from accessing their site. Yes, I understand that I'm not going to be able to access the entirety of their site, but a quick look would be nice.
WHY OH WHY do these folks have to RESTRICT access to these sites to people ONLY running IE? Yes, I know that I can't really use their site like they want me to, but what I just want to explore it to see what they offer. They just lost a potential customer...
Because rich people don't on average spend as much money relative to their income than poor people do. Give it to the poor and they'll spend it because they have to.
Guess what, most women aren't the Biker loving, Jerk following, abuse magnets that you seem to think that they are. Just because you can't find a good woman, doesn't mean that most of them are idiots.
Maybe you should stop hanging out in bars and try other ways to meet people.
True, the verification of a theory isn't really that world-changing, especially when the theory turns out to be correct. It's when an experiment shows that the theory is *incorrect* is when the world changes.
Take the experiments that showed the universe is speeding up. They were simply to try to refine the Hubble constant. No one would've seen that coming. In fact, one might have said, "Why bother ? We know the universe is expanding. How accurate does it need to be?!"
Fundamentalist Mormons? Do you realize that the only people to use that term are those outside of all the groups claiming origins with Joseph Smith? To imply that somehow members of the "modern" LDS church are polygamous since some *extreme minority* who claim to understand God's will better than the official leaders continue to practice it is ignorant at best.
Joseph Smith, who is said to have had 27 wives
While officially true, it is generally accepted that few to none of these extra marriages were actually consumated. Especially since most of them were made after Joseph Smith's death. Joseph Smith is known to not have really liked the idea of polygamy and did not tell the church that he had received the order from God for years. Even then, his wife disliked the idea so much that it made it difficult for him to practice it.
Don't take the above as an apology for polygamy. As a Mormon myself, I believe that God commanded the church to practice polygamy and that perhaps someday, that practice will be reimplemented. I don't think it is morally wrong. I always find it interesting that while many people want gay marriage to be made legal, they are unwilling to consider polygamy.
Now, many polygamists are prone to the practice of marrying young girls. This is NOT moral. This is child abuse. But just because a few are misusing the practice, doesn't make the practice wrong.
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Finally, from what I've read (including on the Fossil site), it won't synchronize directly with a computer. You have to load up special software on an existing Palm, and then use that software to sync selected data from your handheld to the watch (via IR). I suppose that someone might be able to hack together a CPU-based IR sync system, but that should be standard equipment.
WRONG (from amazon):
How do I synchronize a Wrist PDA with a PC? Included with the Wrist PDA is the HotSync Pod, which enables you to synchronize information between your Wrist PDA and your PC. Connect the cable from the HotSync Pod to the port on the back of the watch when recharging, or to perform a HotSync operation. You will initially need to install some software.
You sir, are a bigot. Just because you can't bring yourself to actually name the group that you're insulting (Mormons or Latter-day Saints) doesn't make you any less of a bigot. You decide, SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF THEIR RELIGION, that they're stupid, ignorant, superstitous followers.
I don't know which Mormons you met, but I'm sure that many of them were actually children of members who think that the Mormons are all evil because their parents wouldn't let them date before they were 16. I wonder, did you actually get to know any Mormons? Or did your opinion simply come from your observation of your neighbors, who you assumed were Mormons?
I agree that *Utahns* in general are not overly welcoming to outsiders, but this is common throughout the west. It's part of the culture. However, to say that only the Mormons are this way is bigoted.
Well, since the recovery is by a completely seperate team of "gobuernent" workers, I think the water is going to be sitting out in the hot sun longer than a few seconds.
I'm from Utah, and it seems you went through there. A couple comments:
1. Thank you for not going through Hogle (Utah's) Zoo and instead going through the Denver Zoo. I don't know how good the Denver Zoo is, but I'm sure it's better than Utah's. 2. Your picture of the temple is interesting. Curious how you got it so the angel Moroni (the golden statue) looks like it's on the roof, when it's really on one of the steeples.
Folks who've never lived in a desert don't seem to understand how valuable water is in some parts of the country. While the article mentions that they water is reclaimed later by workers, in someplace like Utah or Arizona, I'm sure thousands of gallons are lost through evaporation before that can happen.
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If they are using features that only IE supports, it is an outright security issue to allow other browsers into the site. The classic example is the "Enabled" property. If they use this in even one location in their web app, the have to restrict it to IE only, because the button shows up as Enabled no matter what in any other browser. If other browsers don't disable the function properly, who knows what pages they could get to outside of the designated process flow?
As has been pointed out numerous times in this discussion, the block against IE is easily circumvented by faking a user-agent. You're depending on the proper implementation of some feature on the *client* side for security? I'll bet you do your password authentication through client-side javascript too.
Yeah, *real* secure.
No, no it's not. Where should they be stopped? Right before they start to download a tune? With a giant browser crash? How about apologizing to them when they call up and complain that they can't download the song?
Yes, yes it is. When I try to "enter" their "store", I am not even allowed to look around unless I have a proper "player". How is this not a good analogy?
They should be stopped when they try to download the song, which is the only thing that really requires the use of IE and WMP. Take them to an install page and install it then.
That's like requiring people who want to walk into a record store to show proof of owning a CD player.
I've worked on many projects where it's just out of the question to add development time for "browsers that our customers have never heard of".
Really, have you? That's amazing. Sounds like you need to write a book about your experiences so the whole world can come to realize how important an issue this really is. If only everyone would develop only for IE, then web development costs around the world would plummet!
Look, we've all read various versions of your silly comment numerous times. Why do you think that none of us understand it? Yes, I understand that developing for 300 browsers is expensive. I'm not arguing against developing for the browser with the most market share. I'm arguing against companies that *purposely* restrict their site to *only* IE.
I've developed sites for IE alone before. In fact, that's how I usually do it. I don't test in anything but IE. But I try to write reasonably generic code/markup so that it will at least work in another browser, and I don't make it impossible to get to my site by putting in browser-checks, like these folks have.
I just want to LOOK.
They won't even let me do that. I run windows at home. I AM a potential customer.
Well, I run Windows at home, which is where I would probably download the music. But in the world of consumer marketing, the word is impulse buying. I'm interested RIGHT NOW. If I have to wait till I get home, I'll probably have forgotten about the whole thing. Sure it's a free country, but that doesn't mean that they're not going to lose customers by *preventing* anyone using non-windows software from accessing their site. Yes, I understand that I'm not going to be able to access the entirety of their site, but a quick look would be nice.
WHY OH WHY do these folks have to RESTRICT access to these sites to people ONLY running IE? Yes, I know that I can't really use their site like they want me to, but what I just want to explore it to see what they offer. They just lost a potential customer...
Because rich people don't on average spend as much money relative to their income than poor people do. Give it to the poor and they'll spend it because they have to.
The minute "fair use" became synonymous with "download everything I can from KaZaA so I don't have to pay".
Still, when was fair taken away, and by whom? Folks may be sharing out the wazoo, but I don't see how their actions take away my fair use rights.
How about Choose Your Own Adventure? I've tried in vain to get any copies of these books.
so it was taken away.
when?
Beethoven would be in a mental institution if he lived in our day. He could barely stay in a relationship very long, let alone get married.
Did you just get dumped for a Biker?
Guess what, most women aren't the Biker loving, Jerk following, abuse magnets that you seem to think that they are. Just because you can't find a good woman, doesn't mean that most of them are idiots.
Maybe you should stop hanging out in bars and try other ways to meet people.
See A whole lot of unecessary effort
Sorry, GPL is not a religion.
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huh?
BSD works well, and considering this is a government application using the GPL is unlikely
What application? The parent poster mentioned several.
Whine, bitch, groan then accept reality and move on
Again, huh?
Fine, but since a large portion (if not a majority) of open source software *is* licensed under the GPL, then it's pretty much the same thing.
Sex causes babies. Saying that you've had sex and have no babies, doesn't invalidate that claim.
But where, ultimately, does this research lead?
Nobody knows. That's why it's called research.
True, the verification of a theory isn't really that world-changing, especially when the theory turns out to be correct. It's when an experiment shows that the theory is *incorrect* is when the world changes.
Take the experiments that showed the universe is speeding up. They were simply to try to refine the Hubble constant. No one would've seen that coming. In fact, one might have said, "Why bother ? We know the universe is expanding. How accurate does it need to be?!"
Fundamentalist Mormons? Do you realize that the only people to use that term are those outside of all the groups claiming origins with Joseph Smith? To imply that somehow members of the "modern" LDS church are polygamous since some *extreme minority* who claim to understand God's will better than the official leaders continue to practice it is ignorant at best.
Joseph Smith, who is said to have had 27 wives
While officially true, it is generally accepted that few to none of these extra marriages were actually consumated. Especially since most of them were made after Joseph Smith's death. Joseph Smith is known to not have really liked the idea of polygamy and did not tell the church that he had received the order from God for years. Even then, his wife disliked the idea so much that it made it difficult for him to practice it.
Don't take the above as an apology for polygamy. As a Mormon myself, I believe that God commanded the church to practice polygamy and that perhaps someday, that practice will be reimplemented. I don't think it is morally wrong. I always find it interesting that while many people want gay marriage to be made legal, they are unwilling to consider polygamy.
Now, many polygamists are prone to the practice of marrying young girls. This is NOT moral. This is child abuse. But just because a few are misusing the practice, doesn't make the practice wrong.
Finally, from what I've read (including on the Fossil site), it won't synchronize directly with a computer. You have to load up special software on an existing Palm, and then use that software to sync selected data from your handheld to the watch (via IR). I suppose that someone might be able to hack together a CPU-based IR sync system, but that should be standard equipment.
WRONG (from amazon):
How do I synchronize a Wrist PDA with a PC?
Included with the Wrist PDA is the HotSync Pod, which enables you to synchronize information between your Wrist PDA and your PC. Connect the cable from the HotSync Pod to the port on the back of the watch when recharging, or to perform a HotSync operation. You will initially need to install some software.
You sir, are a bigot. Just because you can't bring yourself to actually name the group that you're insulting (Mormons or Latter-day Saints) doesn't make you any less of a bigot. You decide, SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF THEIR RELIGION, that they're stupid, ignorant, superstitous followers.
I don't know which Mormons you met, but I'm sure that many of them were actually children of members who think that the Mormons are all evil because their parents wouldn't let them date before they were 16. I wonder, did you actually get to know any Mormons? Or did your opinion simply come from your observation of your neighbors, who you assumed were Mormons?
I agree that *Utahns* in general are not overly welcoming to outsiders, but this is common throughout the west. It's part of the culture. However, to say that only the Mormons are this way is bigoted.
Well, since the recovery is by a completely seperate team of "gobuernent" workers, I think the water is going to be sitting out in the hot sun longer than a few seconds.
I'm from Utah, and it seems you went through there. A couple comments:
1. Thank you for not going through Hogle (Utah's) Zoo and instead going through the Denver Zoo. I don't know how good the Denver Zoo is, but I'm sure it's better than Utah's.
2. Your picture of the temple is interesting. Curious how you got it so the angel Moroni (the golden statue) looks like it's on the roof, when it's really on one of the steeples.
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Why move if proper usage of the available resources makes life perfectly comfortable?
Not really. Workers come along later to reclaim the water.
Folks who've never lived in a desert don't seem to understand how valuable water is in some parts of the country. While the article mentions that they water is reclaimed later by workers, in someplace like Utah or Arizona, I'm sure thousands of gallons are lost through evaporation before that can happen.