Anyone who wants to use the BSD code can use the BSD code. Anyone who wants to use the BSD code with GPL modifications will have to use it as GPL.
Neither of which applies to this case where the original code was already GPL (via a dual license) and so anyone who wants to use the GPL code with GPL modifications will use it as GPL.
None of this is new to anyone. The complaint is that GPL developers benefit from the hard work of BSD developers without giving back. Of course, that's exactly how the BSD developers intended for their code to be used and that's not really what's happening since the GPL developers *ARE* giving back, just not in the form of BSD code.
Historically, I tend to side with Theo on things, but this time I think his position is inconsistent and indefensible. Either I haven't seen all the facts or Theo has made a mistake.
It seems like a better measure of firefox users would be the number of auto-updates that occur after a new version is released. This won't count users that get updated via some package manager (emerge, apt, etc), but it would at least give a lower limit on the number of active firefox installations out there.
According to my sister-in-law (who works for a large oil company), Exxon is the only one that isn't looking into alternative energy sources like solar, wind, and biofuel. Exxon seems to take the strategy of waiting to see what works and then buying whoever figured it out.
But you really can't argue against the NTP pool as a default setup, since it works everywhere.
It is an excellent default setting, but it doesn't work everywhere. For example, none of my work machines can reach it through the corporate firewall. Too bad, really. I can only hope that our corporate time servers are as reliable as the NTP pool is.
That's a cute saying, but it's not the tautology that you seem to think it is. It's value is dependent on the context in which it is used.
For example, has there ever been life on Mars? We don't have any conclusive evidence that there was, but we've really only begun looking for it, so you cute little saying would seem to apply.
However, after 100 years of searching for Bigfoot, the absence of evidence has become a compelling argument in its own right. It's not a conclusive argument, but it is certainly compelling one.
Take that train of thought all the way back. At some point, you're going to bump up against faith.
Actually, there are purely pragmatic reasons for not approving of human sacrifice. For example, I find that I am happier if I am not constantly in fear of being killed or having my loved ones killed.
There are also valid economic and political reasons.
Really, it only becomes a question of faith when you don't have a better reason.
Development in the open source world happens fast and it doesn't take long for a driver that isn't continuously updated to fall into obsolescence.
Therefore, I submit to you the reason that I prefer the following pragmatic argument that open source drivers are better than closed source drivers: closed source drivers lag behind kernel development.
It's only a straw man argument if I've mischaracterized the original argument. Since near as I can tell, there is equal evidence for both God and underpants gnomes, I don't see my previous post as a straw man argument.
Please, if you have evidence for the existence of God, post it for the rest of us to examine.
That is far easier to believe than the Universe simply came into existence on its own.
You're claiming that it's easier to believe that: 1) something (God) exists and has no creator 2) God has the ability to create the universe 3) God used that ability to create the universe
As opposed to: 1) something (the Universe) exists and has no creator
Please correct me if I have somehow misrepresented your position.
As long as Apple makes money on the phone (which seems likely), they come out ahead. People who don't want AT&T can now buy the phone. This is a big deal in Europe where AT&T has almost no market.
BSD-style licenses allow for the same type of sharing, but they do not guarantee it. In fact, it's very easy to imagine scenarios where BSD-derived code is kept secret (for example, when was the last time you were allowed to look at Microsoft's changes to the BSD network stack that they used in WindowsNT?).
Not only does the GPL guarantee that the code for any distributed product will be shared, but it also guarantees that modifications to the code can never legally be leveraged against the community.
So if sharing is what you want, you are better served by the GPL than a BSD-style license.
I would love to see how this would play out. The only problem is that even if there's a legitimate case to be made, it's up to the federal prosecutors to decide if they want to pursue the case.
Then unless they can attach an external drive or mount a network drive, it sounds like they're out of luck. But that's missing the point. People with laptops aren't the ones who will be using the stand-alone deployment. Instead, they'll be using the windows update which will only require 50MB or so of space.
I guess what I'm really saying is that if they care, they'll find a way.
I think this is the norm in all the Scandinavian countries (Norway for certain). In Norway, all males are required to spend either 1 or 2 years in the military and then remain in the reserves until sometime in their 40's.
Processing power and storage capacity will define the next generation of games. Once game AI developers start to use the power of the PS3, games that use the simplistic AIs of today will feel "flat" in comparison. If the 360 doesn't have the power to keep up, it will be relegated to "toy" status like the Wii.
Capacity is a no-brainer. As games become more expansive and as hi-res textures become the norm, trying to fit onto a DVD will become a big problem for game developers. The Blu-Ray, at least for now, has some head room built in and having a hard drive in every model will become required (I think they've figured this out with the 360).
I don't think this Wii, X-Box 360, PS3 ranking is seriously likely to change, at least not before PS4 and X-Box 720 (or whatever the next generation of consoles are called) come out.
I expect the PS3 to still be competitive 6 years from now. I don't think the 360 won't make it that long. It will need to replaced/upgraded in the next couple of years.
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They didn't take the FreeBSD kernel, just the userland.
The OSX kernel is a Mach micro-kernel derivative.
And was an illegally relicensed copy of Reyk's work included in the Linux kernel?
Anyone who wants to use the BSD code can use the BSD code.
Anyone who wants to use the BSD code with GPL modifications will have to use it as GPL.
Neither of which applies to this case where the original code was already GPL (via a dual license) and so anyone who wants to use the GPL code with GPL modifications will use it as GPL.
None of this is new to anyone. The complaint is that GPL developers benefit from the hard work of BSD developers without giving back. Of course, that's exactly how the BSD developers intended for their code to be used and that's not really what's happening since the GPL developers *ARE* giving back, just not in the form of BSD code.
Historically, I tend to side with Theo on things, but this time I think his position is inconsistent and indefensible. Either I haven't seen all the facts or Theo has made a mistake.
What you've said is true of OpenBSD and (I think) NetBSD. FreeBSD doesn't seem to care about blobs.
It seems like a better measure of firefox users would be the number of auto-updates that occur after a new version is released. This won't count users that get updated via some package manager (emerge, apt, etc), but it would at least give a lower limit on the number of active firefox installations out there.
Here in Tennessee, there are goat owners who make extra income by renting goats to land owners for kudzu removal.
According to my sister-in-law (who works for a large oil company), Exxon is the only one that isn't looking into alternative energy sources like solar, wind, and biofuel. Exxon seems to take the strategy of waiting to see what works and then buying whoever figured it out.
Can you use Kudzu for anything beyond ground cover?
But you really can't argue against the NTP pool as a default setup, since it works everywhere.
It is an excellent default setting, but it doesn't work everywhere. For example, none of my work machines can
reach it through the corporate firewall. Too bad, really. I can only hope that our corporate time servers are
as reliable as the NTP pool is.
That's a cute saying, but it's not the tautology that you seem to think it is. It's value is dependent on the context in which it is used.
For example, has there ever been life on Mars? We don't have any conclusive evidence that there was, but we've really only begun looking for it, so you cute little saying would seem to apply.
However, after 100 years of searching for Bigfoot, the absence of evidence has become a compelling argument in its own right. It's not a conclusive argument, but it is certainly compelling one.
Complete specs are exactly what we've been asking for.
Kudos to AMD for listening.
Take that train of thought all the way back. At some point, you're going to bump up against faith.
Actually, there are purely pragmatic reasons for not approving of human sacrifice. For example, I find that I am happier if I am not constantly in fear of being killed or having my loved ones killed.
There are also valid economic and political reasons.
Really, it only becomes a question of faith when you don't have a better reason.
Development in the open source world happens fast and it doesn't take long for a driver that isn't continuously updated to fall into obsolescence.
Therefore, I submit to you the reason that I prefer the following pragmatic argument that open source drivers are better than closed source drivers: closed source drivers lag behind kernel development.
It's only a straw man argument if I've mischaracterized the original argument. Since near as I can tell, there is equal evidence for both God and underpants gnomes, I don't see my previous post as a straw man argument.
Please, if you have evidence for the existence of God, post it for the rest of us to examine.
That is far easier to believe than the Universe simply came into existence on its own.
You're claiming that it's easier to believe that:
1) something (God) exists and has no creator
2) God has the ability to create the universe
3) God used that ability to create the universe
As opposed to:
1) something (the Universe) exists and has no creator
Please correct me if I have somehow misrepresented your position.
the existence of God cannot be disproven.
Nor can we disprove the existence of the Tooth Fairy, the Great Pumpkin, or the Underpants Gnomes.
The thing is, we don't really need to disprove the existence of something if there isn't any evidence to indicate that it exists in the first place.
As long as Apple makes money on the phone (which seems likely), they come out ahead. People who don't want AT&T can now buy the phone. This is a big deal in Europe where AT&T has almost no market.
BSD-style licenses allow for the same type of sharing, but they do not guarantee it. In fact, it's very easy to imagine scenarios where BSD-derived code is kept secret (for example, when was the last time you were allowed to look at Microsoft's changes to the BSD network stack that they used in WindowsNT?).
Not only does the GPL guarantee that the code for any distributed product will be shared, but it also guarantees that modifications to the code can never legally be leveraged against the community.
So if sharing is what you want, you are better served by the GPL than a BSD-style license.
I would love to see how this would play out. The only problem is that even if there's a legitimate case to be made, it's up to the federal prosecutors to decide if they want to pursue the case.
Then unless they can attach an external drive or mount a network drive, it sounds like they're out of luck. But that's missing the point. People with laptops aren't the ones who will be using the stand-alone deployment. Instead, they'll be using the windows update which will only require 50MB or so of space.
I guess what I'm really saying is that if they care, they'll find a way.
I think this is the norm in all the Scandinavian countries (Norway for certain).
In Norway, all males are required to spend either 1 or 2 years in the military and
then remain in the reserves until sometime in their 40's.
Thank you for that great post. Wish I had mod points.
Doesn't a US citizen have to follow US laws while abroad?
If so, shouldn't a US corporation be held to the same standard?
Graphics aren't the issue.
Processing power and storage capacity will define the next generation of games. Once game AI developers start to use the power of the PS3, games that use the simplistic AIs of today will feel "flat" in comparison. If the 360 doesn't have the power to keep up, it will be relegated to "toy" status like the Wii.
Capacity is a no-brainer. As games become more expansive and as hi-res textures become the norm, trying to fit onto a DVD will become a big problem for game developers. The Blu-Ray, at least for now, has some head room built in and having a hard drive in every model will become required (I think they've figured this out with the 360).
I don't think this Wii, X-Box 360, PS3 ranking is seriously likely to change, at least not before PS4 and X-Box 720 (or whatever the next generation of consoles are called) come out.
I expect the PS3 to still be competitive 6 years from now.
I don't think the 360 won't make it that long.
It will need to replaced/upgraded in the next couple of years.