"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
Oh, like the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if they downloaded 12 GB (or however much it is) without asking the user? Or sending their personal information to 100+ domains without the ability to turn it off? Yeah, they admitted they were doing this and that too.
But keep telling yourself that there is a ghost that is floating to peoples' computers and maliciously installing operating systems on them. Microsoft already apologized two months ago for doing what you're denying is occurring.
1: this infection defaults to enabled in the optional update list, it's trying to get installed 'by accident'. Trying very hard.
2: it's burning 3Gb of my deliberately small C: partition and every time I deleted the installer it just downloaded it again.
That's not looking like any sort of choice to me unless I revert the entire OS to an unsafe state without security updates. Given I don't have a clean ISO for Win8 with Bing that's going to be a challenge.
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
Addendum: do you realize that Microsoft admitted that this was occurring two months ago?
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
No, you can't. Windows bypasses its hosts file when contacting Microsoft domains hardcoded into the OS. You have to block the domains from the router (or maybe a third-party firewall would do the trick).
Right, somebody broke into our locked office building just to maliciously update our OSes? It happened on her computer because her updates were set to "Install updated automatically (recommended)". Perhaps your settings are different. But lots of users have reported Windows 10 installing without any user interaction whatsoever.
WINE's pretty good. Again, try it and see what happens. If it works fine, no problems. If it doesn't work for whatever reason, you still have alternatives.
Just put your preferred distro on a live USB and test it. Alternatively, put your Windows 7 partition in a virtual machine, disconnect it from the Internet, and use it solely for your necessary software and Linux for everything else.
They're making money from the 100+ domains that they use your computer to phone home to. Plus the integrated ads in the start menu, and the app store (which they swindle some tech unsavvy people to buy DVD codecs and Solitaire from, unfortunately).
Yep. That's where I was. I simply let it go and then tested my apps. Everything seems to still work but there wasn't a clean way to prevent the upgrade. I'm still checking some of the third tier apps I use (don't run very often but want to check) and can just reinstall Windows 7 if I find something horribly bad (yes, I have regular backups as well).
You can block the spying if you put 100+ of the domains that Windows phones to (see here for a full list: https://github.com/WindowsLies...) on your router's firewall. If you don't, there's an integrated key logger, but I'm not sure if Microsoft co-opts the microphone to listen to everything.
My coworker left automatic updates on her computer (Windows 7 Professional). She left for the weekend Friday. Came back Monday and Windows 10 was installed.
I have also read some comments on Ars Technica's article that some users could not find any way to interrupt the installation, only hard reboot, or wait for the full installation to finish and then regress back to 7.
Sorry, you're mistaken. Read the comments on Ars Technica for the previous article: once the Windows 10 update was accidentally downloaded, it couldn't be stopped, only rescheduled. Some users had to go through the full update and then do the full regression back to Windows 7.
Windows 10 phones home to over 100 different domains with your personal information. This cannot be turned off completely, except in the "Enterprise" edition (although some reports say it is still not possible there). Drivers will automatically update and the user cannot stop it; it can be delayed through some tricks, but the update will eventually happen.
It's also because there are a lot of idiots who are championing a browser by a fucking ad broker which sells your privacy.
Chrome: has telemetry on, Do-Not-Track off, etc. by default.
Firefox: has telemetry on, Do-Not-Track off, etc. by default. Also has built-in ads that read your browsing history.
Both are pretty bad here, but ironically, it's the "not-for-profit" browser that's more invasive of your privacy than the ad broker's browser.
Go to Settings. Turn off "Use a prediction service to help complete searches". Or/also press the "Clear browsing data" button and clear browsing history and cookies (or delete the offending entries by hand by going to the "History" tab"). Firefox does the exact same thing, btw.
RE: "I'll stick to open stuff" -- Chrome is almost entirely FLOSS. The only difference from the BSD-licensed Chromium browser is that Chrome adds in the auto-updater, Flash, and Widevine.
Pick any of the following that you like: Spying on their users, collaborating with the NSA, donating money to immoral causes, monopolistic tendencies, churning out shit products with terrible support.
I myself am interested in a full workstation OS (Linux-MATE would be my preference, but I could live with Mac OS X) on a tablet that can be augmented with a kickstand keyboard. Unfortunately, there's nothing for me except Surface lines, which I refuse to buy because I am boycotting Microsoft. I do all of my work in LibreOffice, so a tablet with iOS and Android are not options (and since the mobile versions of WPS Office and MS Office are crippled pieces of shit, I would imagine LO wouldn't be of much use, even if it was on iOS/Android). The UbuTab looks like it was a scam, but it's exactly what I was looking for.
Basically what I'm saying is that there's nothing for me; Microsoft is raking in all of the purchases that my population sector is interested in. I would buy a detachable MacBook or an iPad with OS X, so it's Apple's loss that Tim Cook doesn't want to market to me.
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"Your" experience is second hand, and appears to be someone playing a practical joke upon a co-worker. The "reports of several people" seems dubious too.
I have my own direct experience of how the install works, I've done it twice. Given actual, first hand, experience of three machines - two installed, one not - given the fact millions of people would be protesting if there had ever been a period whereby Windows 10 "installed itself" without bringing up a single cancellable dialog, and given the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if it ever tried to pull this stunt, I would seriously advice you to locate the practical joker in your office.
Oh, like the severe legal situation Microsoft would be in if they downloaded 12 GB (or however much it is) without asking the user? Or sending their personal information to 100+ domains without the ability to turn it off? Yeah, they admitted they were doing this and that too.
But keep telling yourself that there is a ghost that is floating to peoples' computers and maliciously installing operating systems on them. Microsoft already apologized two months ago for doing what you're denying is occurring.
1: this infection defaults to enabled in the optional update list, it's trying to get installed 'by accident'. Trying very hard.
2: it's burning 3Gb of my deliberately small C: partition and every time I deleted the installer it just downloaded it again.
That's not looking like any sort of choice to me unless I revert the entire OS to an unsafe state without security updates. Given I don't have a clean ISO for Win8 with Bing that's going to be a challenge.
They truly are scum.
You can use Windows 8 to make an ISO of itself for backup. See here: http://windows.microsoft.com/e...
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
Addendum: do you realize that Microsoft admitted that this was occurring two months ago?
Like the sibling, I would go with "Someone did this for them". The installation process asks questions throughout the install, before, during, and after. You cannot proceed with the install without answering the questions.
I'm not sure what else to tell you. Maybe eventually somebody will make a recording of Windows 10 installing itself, but until then, your assurances fly in the face of my experience, and the reports of several people.
No, you can't. Windows bypasses its hosts file when contacting Microsoft domains hardcoded into the OS. You have to block the domains from the router (or maybe a third-party firewall would do the trick).
Right, somebody broke into our locked office building just to maliciously update our OSes? It happened on her computer because her updates were set to "Install updated automatically (recommended)". Perhaps your settings are different. But lots of users have reported Windows 10 installing without any user interaction whatsoever.
WINE's pretty good. Again, try it and see what happens. If it works fine, no problems. If it doesn't work for whatever reason, you still have alternatives.
I am a big fan of Windows 10, but I still think this is a jerk move. Who do they think they are? Apple or something?
So why are you a "big fan" of Windows 10? Will you still be, when an unstoppable update bricks your computer?
You're mistaken. My coworker came back from the weekend (this was in September I think) and found her Windows 7 Pro machine to have Windows 10 on it.
Just put your preferred distro on a live USB and test it. Alternatively, put your Windows 7 partition in a virtual machine, disconnect it from the Internet, and use it solely for your necessary software and Linux for everything else.
They're making money from the 100+ domains that they use your computer to phone home to. Plus the integrated ads in the start menu, and the app store (which they swindle some tech unsavvy people to buy DVD codecs and Solitaire from, unfortunately).
Yep. That's where I was. I simply let it go and then tested my apps. Everything seems to still work but there wasn't a clean way to prevent the upgrade. I'm still checking some of the third tier apps I use (don't run very often but want to check) and can just reinstall Windows 7 if I find something horribly bad (yes, I have regular backups as well).
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See here: http://www.howtogeek.com/22072...
You can block the spying if you put 100+ of the domains that Windows phones to (see here for a full list: https://github.com/WindowsLies...) on your router's firewall. If you don't, there's an integrated key logger, but I'm not sure if Microsoft co-opts the microphone to listen to everything.
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My coworker left automatic updates on her computer (Windows 7 Professional). She left for the weekend Friday. Came back Monday and Windows 10 was installed.
I have also read some comments on Ars Technica's article that some users could not find any way to interrupt the installation, only hard reboot, or wait for the full installation to finish and then regress back to 7.
Many users reported that they had no way to interrupt the installation, only to reschedule it or hard reboot.
Sorry, you're mistaken. Read the comments on Ars Technica for the previous article: once the Windows 10 update was accidentally downloaded, it couldn't be stopped, only rescheduled. Some users had to go through the full update and then do the full regression back to Windows 7.
Windows 10 phones home to over 100 different domains with your personal information. This cannot be turned off completely, except in the "Enterprise" edition (although some reports say it is still not possible there). Drivers will automatically update and the user cannot stop it; it can be delayed through some tricks, but the update will eventually happen.
What are these system services you speak of?
Firefox's telemetry is even more invasive than Chrome's.
It's also because there are a lot of idiots who are championing a browser by a fucking ad broker which sells your privacy.
Chrome: has telemetry on, Do-Not-Track off, etc. by default.
Firefox: has telemetry on, Do-Not-Track off, etc. by default. Also has built-in ads that read your browsing history.
Both are pretty bad here, but ironically, it's the "not-for-profit" browser that's more invasive of your privacy than the ad broker's browser.
Is there any evidence that Google *doesn't* mine the synced data?
Go to Settings. Turn off "Use a prediction service to help complete searches". Or/also press the "Clear browsing data" button and clear browsing history and cookies (or delete the offending entries by hand by going to the "History" tab"). Firefox does the exact same thing, btw.
RE: "I'll stick to open stuff" -- Chrome is almost entirely FLOSS. The only difference from the BSD-licensed Chromium browser is that Chrome adds in the auto-updater, Flash, and Widevine.
Pick any of the following that you like: Spying on their users, collaborating with the NSA, donating money to immoral causes, monopolistic tendencies, churning out shit products with terrible support.
I myself am interested in a full workstation OS (Linux-MATE would be my preference, but I could live with Mac OS X) on a tablet that can be augmented with a kickstand keyboard. Unfortunately, there's nothing for me except Surface lines, which I refuse to buy because I am boycotting Microsoft. I do all of my work in LibreOffice, so a tablet with iOS and Android are not options (and since the mobile versions of WPS Office and MS Office are crippled pieces of shit, I would imagine LO wouldn't be of much use, even if it was on iOS/Android). The UbuTab looks like it was a scam, but it's exactly what I was looking for.
Basically what I'm saying is that there's nothing for me; Microsoft is raking in all of the purchases that my population sector is interested in. I would buy a detachable MacBook or an iPad with OS X, so it's Apple's loss that Tim Cook doesn't want to market to me.