tut tut tut, if only it were true. From this link.
Revenue includes such income as sales, licensing, or shareware fees; upgrade or support fees; or revenue from advertising, links, or e-commerce on a web page or site that provides a link from which the application can be downloaded.
So since you download greip from a site with a banner ad that presumeably they recieve revenue from Grip would be considered a commercial user based on CDDB's definition.
We do use robots for exploration, case in point the Mars Lander, exteremely successful we learned a lot. But, it also raised more questions. Now the question would be would it have been more productive to have humans there? Probably, since a robot dosen't have the 'intelligence' of a human. A human could experement further and come up with new ones that could be better suited based on his/her initial findings.
Robots can only bring us so far, in the end it's up to humans to take the data from the robot and make hypotheses(?) based on that and expirement further or draw conclusions. So, in the case of Mars would it have been more productive to have humans there doing expirements? In my opinion yes, would it be feasable? No, right now it's too expensive and dangerous.
Putting people in orbit however is much easier and comparitevely cheaper than going to Mars. Furthermore if we are to venture forth into the cosmos we need to know the effects of prolonged exposure to zero g etc on the human body. We can't do that on earth, so put a man in orbit.
The people doing this are volunteering for it, they know the risks, and accept them. It's the human adventure.
I'll agree with that, but take it another step further, without the research being done CURRENTLY we have no hope of solving the fusion problem.
Most scientists, I think, will agree that Fusion is the key to our next step. But, fusion isn't going to just happen, research is needed, and that means some research outside the confines of earth's gravity.
I guess you have to look at all this as a necessary small evil.
Fine it's pretty much useless sending up a tourist/ex-scientist into space, but so what? I'm sure he's not going to be the ONLY payload on the trip. Supplies and such will have to be sent as well.
Hell if I had the cash to burn I'd do it too, it's been my life long dream to travel into space.
We were further ahead in space exploration in the 60's than we are today, that's just sad and there's no excuse for it.
Humans are curious for a reason, we need to satisfy that curioustiy, exploration is how we do it. Should we all climb back into caves and live out our lives? Hell no.
Your argument about the pollution created by the rocket is bunk. As was said in an earlier post the rocket exhaust contains no harmful compounds and actually puts Ozone BACK in the atmosphere. As was also pointed out if it DID pollute it would be the equavelent of a jetliner making a round trip to Tokyo from the US. SO, should we quit flying and go back to a world where every contry is an isolationist?
And as for your question, do you consider water a fossil fuel?
If you're being serious consider this, if you're trolling, go link to goatse.cx.
While I'll admit school is rough, the guy you just flamed is probably busting his ass MORE trying to support a family and better himself. There are those out there who can't for whatever reasons pick up and just go to school for 6 years.
I get sick of the I went to school I worked hard crap, I went to school and busted my ass but it wasan't nearly as tough on me as it was on one of my friends in Tech Support at Stream International (meat market support) trying to raise a family, work, and get an edcuation.
We all aspire to be something more than we are, just because you took one road don't discount the road others out of necessity take to get to the same place you are.
This makes me wonder if all along the Russians did have the money to keep it up but didn't reveal it so that someone else (US) would come along and give them the money.
I have a friend that works for PacBell installing DSL lines for residential customers in the San Joaquin Valley.
He's been ordered by the company to cap people well under what they're paying for. Apperently if a user suspects this based on their upload/download speed Tech Support is to tell the customer that it's most likely because of the line quality inside the houes which PacBell is not responsible for.
Apperently the only way you can accurately mesaure the speed is with a special tool the DSL installers have.
Unfortunately my friend would not speak up since the job pays quite a lot and he's new, so he didn't want to mess with a good thing.
My advice would be for users to actually see the measured speed the tool is reporting before signing off that the work was completed. Either way I think the lawsuit will flesh it all out.
As far as microsoft's "integration" of a web browser into their operating system. I don't believe this is a valid excuse to break up the empire. In many respects, integration is a benefit to the consumer. (While IE may not be the best implementation) I don't believe that you can honestly say that this is a valid monopolistic practice. No one is forcing the consumer to use IE, they're just making it slightly more convenient, and everpresent. If i don't want to use IE (assuming i would use windows for anything other than a few games), then I can just opt not to click on that little blue E.
It's not that simple, a browser is an application, not part of the OS, by making it imbedded they've taken a part of choice away, the option to not have IE installed AT ALL. You can't tell me that IE is such a needed part of the OS that without it, the OS could not function. As an example removing IE woulden't be like removing rundll32.exe
>Have you noticed that radio stations in the last 10-12 years have become increasingly bland and is too full of "adult contemporary" stations?
You're not kidding, just take the Bay Area for example, RadioAlice, FM 104.9, 94.7, etc, they all play the same crap over and over and over again. Most of it I get the impression is what the record companies want pounded into your head.
Thank goodness that KSJO is still kicking, but even Lamont and Tonelli get boring after awhile.
Funny that the community service message got a -1 and the moderator flame got a 2. Methinks the moderators are toying with us.
Re: The G4MP's they would kick some serious ass but I'm not going to hold my breath. I can remember when the Mac IIfx was just a roumor and yet that came through. Damn I think I have my poster I got at a Mac World in SF of the Mac IIfx's motherboard back when it was unveiled. Had a tagline something to the effect of Necessity is the mother of invention. If Apple really intends to get into the Server market then having a MP system is a necessity.
PS I wish SETI would make their client use the Velocity engine, I'd like to see if my G4 can do fast fourier transforms faster than my 4 way Sun Enterprise 4000.;-)
Well the site the article resides on is now well slashdotted. Hrmmm guess this could be considered a DOS attack and oh wait heaven forbid I contributed to it with my Windows box!! I only have one thing to say about the article, it's pure verbal diarrhea.
Um I could be wrong but I think I remember reading here that the next pentium is a 64bit processor. Can't find the story at the moment. Any one have more insight?
That would make a really good argument on some other planet but around here there needs to be a competitor to Microsoft.
I'll grant you that the current browser offering leaves alot to be desired, but the Mozilla project shows alot of promise.
There needs to be a viable alternative to IE and Mozilla is going to be it. Netscape is trying hard, don't forget they get ZERO revenue from the browser and don't have Microsoft's resources to make up for that shortcoming. I'll add that Netscape was FORCED into this strategy by the guys from Redmond who began to give IE away for free.
Also, don't even suggest that IE didn't shit all over standards either.
I'm rather surprised that Pixar didn't show up in this list. I believe they're running SGI ORIGIN 2000 machines, and I'm sure they need alot of horsepower to crank out those movies. Any insights?
but if the MSN client can see who is online on AIM doesen't it stand to reason that they need to access AOL's servers to do that? I'm not all that well versed on how it works but it seems feasable. If that is the case then AOL would have to of allowed MS to access it. Maybe there is something larger going on here. And, no I'm not a conspiracy theorist, or a speller for that matter.
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Ahhhh, the serenity.
Hmmmm by your argument then Laser Discs should have been the second coming. ;-)
Damn, now I just feel the need to go watch my Buck Rodgers Laser Disc movie. Mmmmmmmm Erin Grey in spandex...... bitti bitti bitti
tut tut tut, if only it were true. From this link.
:-)
Revenue includes such income as sales, licensing, or shareware fees; upgrade or support fees; or revenue from advertising, links, or e-commerce on a web page or site that provides a link from which the application can be downloaded.
So since you download greip from a site with a banner ad that presumeably they recieve revenue from Grip would be considered a commercial user based on CDDB's definition.
Ah well, there's FreeDB.
Pantera or Black Sabbath for the first and Boston for the second.
Ahhh progress and a decent thread.
We do use robots for exploration, case in point the Mars Lander, exteremely successful we learned a lot. But, it also raised more questions. Now the question would be would it have been more productive to have humans there? Probably, since a robot dosen't have the 'intelligence' of a human. A human could experement further and come up with new ones that could be better suited based on his/her initial findings.
Robots can only bring us so far, in the end it's up to humans to take the data from the robot and make hypotheses(?) based on that and expirement further or draw conclusions. So, in the case of Mars would it have been more productive to have humans there doing expirements? In my opinion yes, would it be feasable? No, right now it's too expensive and dangerous.
Putting people in orbit however is much easier and comparitevely cheaper than going to Mars. Furthermore if we are to venture forth into the cosmos we need to know the effects of prolonged exposure to zero g etc on the human body. We can't do that on earth, so put a man in orbit.
The people doing this are volunteering for it, they know the risks, and accept them. It's the human adventure.
I'll agree with that, but take it another step further, without the research being done CURRENTLY we have no hope of solving the fusion problem.
Most scientists, I think, will agree that Fusion is the key to our next step. But, fusion isn't going to just happen, research is needed, and that means some research outside the confines of earth's gravity.
I guess you have to look at all this as a necessary small evil.
Q: Is this idiot a troll?
A: Too right!
And if you're not, go hug a tree somewhere.
Fine it's pretty much useless sending up a tourist/ex-scientist into space, but so what? I'm sure he's not going to be the ONLY payload on the trip. Supplies and such will have to be sent as well.
Hell if I had the cash to burn I'd do it too, it's been my life long dream to travel into space.
We were further ahead in space exploration in the 60's than we are today, that's just sad and there's no excuse for it.
Humans are curious for a reason, we need to satisfy that curioustiy, exploration is how we do it. Should we all climb back into caves and live out our lives? Hell no.
Your argument about the pollution created by the rocket is bunk. As was said in an earlier post the rocket exhaust contains no harmful compounds and actually puts Ozone BACK in the atmosphere. As was also pointed out if it DID pollute it would be the equavelent of a jetliner making a round trip to Tokyo from the US. SO, should we quit flying and go back to a world where every contry is an isolationist?
And as for your question, do you consider water a fossil fuel?
If you're being serious consider this, if you're trolling, go link to goatse.cx.
While I'll admit school is rough, the guy you just flamed is probably busting his ass MORE trying to support a family and better himself. There are those out there who can't for whatever reasons pick up and just go to school for 6 years.
I get sick of the I went to school I worked hard crap, I went to school and busted my ass but it wasan't nearly as tough on me as it was on one of my friends in Tech Support at Stream International (meat market support) trying to raise a family, work, and get an edcuation.
We all aspire to be something more than we are, just because you took one road don't discount the road others out of necessity take to get to the same place you are.
Have some consideration.
This makes me wonder if all along the Russians did have the money to keep it up but didn't reveal it so that someone else (US) would come along and give them the money.
Cheapskates!
They'd probably kick an ass or two! That's what Microsoft would do!
I have a friend that works for PacBell installing DSL lines for residential customers in the San Joaquin Valley.
He's been ordered by the company to cap people well under what they're paying for. Apperently if a user suspects this based on their upload/download speed Tech Support is to tell the customer that it's most likely because of the line quality inside the houes which PacBell is not responsible for.
Apperently the only way you can accurately mesaure the speed is with a special tool the DSL installers have.
Unfortunately my friend would not speak up since the job pays quite a lot and he's new, so he didn't want to mess with a good thing.
My advice would be for users to actually see the measured speed the tool is reporting before signing off that the work was completed. Either way I think the lawsuit will flesh it all out.
Didn't userfriendly.org just have a series of strips about a band doing exactly that?
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Oh yes, they did!
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=200007
Good God! This gets an insightful??
Read the article, a group of people outside mozilla are developing this based on an existing Mozilla feature, XUL.
This is not something the mozilla team is adding to mozilla, it's a feature another group of of developers are utilizing.
Oops, have I been trolled?
As far as microsoft's "integration" of a web browser into their operating system. I don't believe this is a valid excuse to break up the empire. In many respects, integration is a benefit to the consumer. (While IE may not be the best implementation) I don't believe that you can honestly say that this is a valid monopolistic practice. No one is forcing the consumer to use IE, they're just making it slightly more convenient, and everpresent. If i don't want to use IE (assuming i would use windows for anything other than a few games), then I can just opt not to click on that little blue E.
.02 and I know I can't spell!
It's not that simple, a browser is an application, not part of the OS, by making it imbedded they've taken a part of choice away, the option to not have IE installed AT ALL. You can't tell me that IE is such a needed part of the OS that without it, the OS could not function. As an example removing IE woulden't be like removing rundll32.exe
Just my
It's the property taxes that will kill you.
What you paid for the land and the house hasen't changed but the value has. The more value the land has the higher the tax.
Apple's is better:
Apple Computer
One Infinite Loop
Cupertino, Ca. 9xxxx (can't remember)
>Have you noticed that radio stations in the last 10-12 years have become increasingly bland and is too full of "adult contemporary" stations?
You're not kidding, just take the Bay Area for example, RadioAlice, FM 104.9, 94.7, etc, they all play the same crap over and over and over again. Most of it I get the impression is what the record companies want pounded into your head.
Thank goodness that KSJO is still kicking, but even Lamont and Tonelli get boring after awhile.
Funny that the community service message got a -1 and the moderator flame got a 2. Methinks the moderators are toying with us.
;-)
Re: The G4MP's they would kick some serious ass but I'm not going to hold my breath. I can remember when the Mac IIfx was just a roumor and yet that came through. Damn I think I have my poster I got at a Mac World in SF of the Mac IIfx's motherboard back when it was unveiled. Had a tagline something to the effect of Necessity is the mother of invention. If Apple really intends to get into the Server market then having a MP system is a necessity.
PS I wish SETI would make their client use the Velocity engine, I'd like to see if my G4 can do fast fourier transforms faster than my 4 way Sun Enterprise 4000.
Well the site the article resides on is now well slashdotted. Hrmmm guess this could be considered a DOS attack and oh wait heaven forbid I contributed to it with my Windows box!! I only have one thing to say about the article, it's pure verbal diarrhea.
Um I could be wrong but I think I remember reading here that the next pentium is a 64bit processor. Can't find the story at the moment. Any one have more insight?
That would make a really good argument on some other planet but around here there needs to be a competitor to Microsoft.
I'll grant you that the current browser offering leaves alot to be desired, but the Mozilla project shows alot of promise.
There needs to be a viable alternative to IE and Mozilla is going to be it. Netscape is trying hard, don't forget they get ZERO revenue from the browser and don't have Microsoft's resources to make up for that shortcoming. I'll add that Netscape was FORCED into this strategy by the guys from Redmond who began to give IE away for free.
Also, don't even suggest that IE didn't shit all over standards either.
I'm rather surprised that Pixar didn't show up in this list. I believe they're running SGI ORIGIN 2000 machines, and I'm sure they need alot of horsepower to crank out those movies. Any insights?
Check under the couch.
Cool idea but that's assuming that NASA does have money left over after all is said and done.
but if the MSN client can see who is online on AIM doesen't it stand to reason that they need to access AOL's servers to do that? I'm not all that well versed on how it works but it seems feasable. If that is the case then AOL would have to of allowed MS to access it. Maybe there is something larger going on here. And, no I'm not a conspiracy theorist, or a speller for that matter.