Well, don't forget the Clinton launching of more cruise missiles at Iraq than GHWB used in the first gulf war, beginning on the first day of his trial and ending on the last. But none of this appears to be your real issue.
What exactly are you fishing for on GWB? If you are going to dredge up first reports (or reports on first reports, referring to first reports, etc) related to Enron you might really wish to look at some of the newer, accurate, information.
Oh yes, don't forget, on the Enron business it was Democrats, recently out of office, that were contacted by Enron that attempted to influence the Bush crew and the Bush crew politely told them "no".
Perhaps you are reading democraticunderground.com too much?
My sloppy chemestry formulas may be a joke to you sir, but it is how I get to and from work and fuel the economic engine that many of us fondly call The United States of America!
And I am still at a complete loss as to why a government should force a choice like this. There is no environmental problem and there is certainly no shortage of fuel.
But we are free to disagree, I am glad that I live in (or close to) the free part of the USA:)
You mean fuel prices in europe are the same as they are here in the USA now? Or are you trying to say that fuel is not taxed at a higher rate in europe than her in the USA?
What european countries now have private rail systems without substantial government monies?
Right idea but I took to a different, basic, solution. Began carrying a small notepad with me everywhere. Take notes, drop the ideas that can not survive interest. When I get back to a desktop machine I write and post a story.
Will be modifying this soon, but will be the same basic concept. My mobile phone is a Handspring VisorPhone, but not seriously thinking of using that on a regular basis.
My 'blog is on a break for a bit, just using the/. journal for now, which BTW is a great way for the non technical set to add comment capability to a plain old static web page.
Bringing up the impending war is nonsense. If that issue were about oil prices we would be joining the french and Germans and pressing for a lift in sanctions. You know, the "Saddam only kills his own so it is none of our business" attitude?
Now, if you are wanting the Texas, Alaska and Gulf of Mexico oil and natural gas industries to bear the sole burden of national defense you have a better, but still bad arguement.
In addition, even if you add up all of the defense costs of the entire world, they get lost in the rounding in the size of the multi-trillion dollar energy market. IF those costs were subsidized by that industry the prices of the products would not budge. Still not exactly fair that the bankers, shopkeepers, and the environmentalits industry would not be paying for their portion of the defense.
The above is only about dollars. The issues with Somolia, Afghanastan, Iraq, Bosnia, Grenada, Haiti, etc. are about people, not money.
As for that rail difference,, Europe's rail system is heavily subsidized while their vehicle fuel is heavily taxed, in general.
Thus creating an artificial demand for the subsidized rail system while discouraging vehicle usage.
Here in the US, our roads are payed for by fuel taxes that are more reasonable and sometimes go to local mass transit too. Also, our rails are mostly corporate owned and freight is much more profitable than moving people.
If this situation was drawn even closer to a free market you would see empty commuter trains, ticket prices rising 2 or 3 times the current levels and a demand from drivers to spend fuel and licensing fees on road expansion. Shifting taxes to railroads from vehicle roads is perfectly doable, but it is incredibly unpopular.
Before that/. doode comes along pointing out that roads are not an "enumerated power" of the government he needs to review Article I Sec. 8 of the US Constitution.
As far as these other forms of energy others are talking about, when they become viable they will be used moree. Right now it is just voodoo.
What is wrong with letting the free market do the price raising? Is the adjusted-for-inflation price dropping (usually) too fast for you?
Sorry, I just happen to appreciate my countrymen more than taxing them to death just because they need to drive to work or wish to drive their children to a library.
As opposed to the "world ending" news I have been hearing from "environmentalists" for the past 30 years?
Look at the signs from the first Earth Day in 1971(?), that we would all be dead by 1991 or 2000 AND out of fossil fuels. Humm, I beg to differ. Add the rest of the "predictions" to my indifference too.
They are consistaant in two ways. The "emergency" is always thirty years away and they never materialize.
The other poster on this thread is right, these "reports" are hogwash. I will add that they are for the money. Money for Greenpeace. They are the axis of spin.
BTW, when your governments take money from MY pocket for CO2 emissions, will the sea give me the money back when it absorbs all of my CO2? Didn't think so.
Hummm... so the Germans are going to replace the world's largest coalmine with wind farms or something?
I saw an interesting show on the Discovery channel. They have the largest coal mining equipment on earth digging away following the seam. They move entire towns if they are in the way too, as it is a surface mine.
What "tax breaks for SUVs" are you talking about? I recall a recent proposal for small businesses to be allowed to expense up to $75,000. If you spend all of that on an SUV you still have to amortize everything else you buy, but you might be talking of something else.
I am still missing the point on this "fossile fuels bad" arguement, but here is a post with some related info. I bought the arguement when I was a teenager, but not any more, as NONE of the predictions on fossil fuels materialized, including (in constant dollars) the price (it has dropped over time).
Just a few years later, about 1978 or 1979, the game "Traveler" riveted my interest in a much more interesting way. Then I got a car and a girlfriend, but I progress . ..
The couple of D&D Dungeons I was involved in then were interesting, but I never really got the "big deal" of it.
This interview of Emmanuel Goldstein of 2600 magazine, from around 1996, has not been featured on/. for AGES! I miss the nine month recycling of this one that went on for years.
CNN does not help by scooting the copyright date up, it says 2001 on the page I viewed.
Nope, I am not "confused" about anything, I just do not agree with you. Perhaps you find this amazing, but it is true.
I don't buy $20 parts for my Jeep unless they are supposed to work on the thing and I only buy from merchants that will take the parts back if they do not work as expected.
Looks like some real market forces embeded in the valid example above. None include the government mandated labeling of anything.
I am not in favor of the government forcing ladder manufacturers to "inform" their customers that they should not stand on their toes at the top while it is on ice either. Not even touching the Oragon thing.
Are you
going to argue that manufacturers being required to disclose that their product contains
sugar, dimethol-hy-whatnot, is a violation of their free speech?
Apparently you eat your media, otherwise you would not mistake this with a health issue. Folks like you are why ladders have so many nonsensical labels.
As for the second half of your analogy, I'm not even sure where
to begin. Labeling people for their religous and sexual preferences and then
beginning a government campaign to exterminate the entire group does not even
begin to compare to product labeling.
Now what the hell are you talking about? I was obviously speaking as to labeling being bad, you, apparently, have the same problems as those that wish to label everything at the point of a gun.
Wouldn't you be a bit ticked if the CD burner you bought
was used as a hammer by the store manager's kid, without any notice about it?
This is nothing of the sort, you know it, I know it and this populist grandstander is pulling another watered down Gore/McCarthy stunt.
Nobody expects a Yugo, the zenith of Communist cosumer goods, to be able to keep up with a tricked out CJ-7 in a hill climb. If people market products WITHOUT "copy protection" (a misnomer at best) and LABEL THOSE ACCURATELY AND VOLUNTARILY then that is fine by me.
And the similarity is that Communists/Fascists, or any other shade of totalitarian the Political Science Departmet can classify, employ this labelig tactic to force speech on others, just as this fellow is trying to pull.
Why are we bitching at the Democrats? Oh, because it was on slashdot and the
genius editor posted it "from the compromising-freedom dept", so we don't have to
actually read the the article before kicking into full knee-jerk mode.
Umm, no the issue is at the core of the top post modded "funny" at the moment. The government is making an attempt at forcing speech, with their police power, on the speakers. Just like Tipper Gore with the PMRC, Hitler with the yellow Stars of David, pink triangles and the rest.
Slashdot Mirror
Well, don't forget the Clinton launching of more cruise missiles at Iraq than GHWB used in the first gulf war, beginning on the first day of his trial and ending on the last. But none of this appears to be your real issue.
What exactly are you fishing for on GWB? If you are going to dredge up first reports (or reports on first reports, referring to first reports, etc) related to Enron you might really wish to look at some of the newer, accurate, information.
Oh yes, don't forget, on the Enron business it was Democrats, recently out of office, that were contacted by Enron that attempted to influence the Bush crew and the Bush crew politely told them "no".
Perhaps you are reading democraticunderground.com too much?
My sloppy chemestry formulas may be a joke to you sir, but it is how I get to and from work and fuel the economic engine that many of us fondly call The United States of America!
And I am still at a complete loss as to why a government should force a choice like this. There is no environmental problem and there is certainly no shortage of fuel.
:)
But we are free to disagree, I am glad that I live in (or close to) the free part of the USA
You mean fuel prices in europe are the same as they are here in the USA now? Or are you trying to say that fuel is not taxed at a higher rate in europe than her in the USA?
What european countries now have private rail systems without substantial government monies?
Right idea but I took to a different, basic, solution. Began carrying a small notepad with me everywhere. Take notes, drop the ideas that can not survive interest. When I get back to a desktop machine I write and post a story.
/. journal for now, which BTW is a great way for the non technical set to add comment capability to a plain old static web page.
Will be modifying this soon, but will be the same basic concept. My mobile phone is a Handspring VisorPhone, but not seriously thinking of using that on a regular basis.
My 'blog is on a break for a bit, just using the
Bringing up the impending war is nonsense. If that issue were about oil prices we would be joining the french and Germans and pressing for a lift in sanctions. You know, the "Saddam only kills his own so it is none of our business" attitude?
Now, if you are wanting the Texas, Alaska and Gulf of Mexico oil and natural gas industries to bear the sole burden of national defense you have a better, but still bad arguement.
In addition, even if you add up all of the defense costs of the entire world, they get lost in the rounding in the size of the multi-trillion dollar energy market. IF those costs were subsidized by that industry the prices of the products would not budge. Still not exactly fair that the bankers, shopkeepers, and the environmentalits industry would not be paying for their portion of the defense.
The above is only about dollars. The issues with Somolia, Afghanastan, Iraq, Bosnia, Grenada, Haiti, etc. are about people, not money.
I agree with your opening statement.
/. doode comes along pointing out that roads are not an "enumerated power" of the government he needs to review Article I Sec. 8 of the US Constitution.
As for that rail difference,, Europe's rail system is heavily subsidized while their vehicle fuel is heavily taxed, in general.
Thus creating an artificial demand for the subsidized rail system while discouraging vehicle usage.
Here in the US, our roads are payed for by fuel taxes that are more reasonable and sometimes go to local mass transit too. Also, our rails are mostly corporate owned and freight is much more profitable than moving people.
If this situation was drawn even closer to a free market you would see empty commuter trains, ticket prices rising 2 or 3 times the current levels and a demand from drivers to spend fuel and licensing fees on road expansion. Shifting taxes to railroads from vehicle roads is perfectly doable, but it is incredibly unpopular.
Before that
As far as these other forms of energy others are talking about, when they become viable they will be used moree. Right now it is just voodoo.
What is wrong with letting the free market do the price raising? Is the adjusted-for-inflation price dropping (usually) too fast for you?
Sorry, I just happen to appreciate my countrymen more than taxing them to death just because they need to drive to work or wish to drive their children to a library.
As opposed to the "world ending" news I have been hearing from "environmentalists" for the past 30 years?
Look at the signs from the first Earth Day in 1971(?), that we would all be dead by 1991 or 2000 AND out of fossil fuels. Humm, I beg to differ. Add the rest of the "predictions" to my indifference too.
They are consistaant in two ways. The "emergency" is always thirty years away and they never materialize.
The other poster on this thread is right, these "reports" are hogwash. I will add that they are for the money. Money for Greenpeace. They are the axis of spin.
BTW, when your governments take money from MY pocket for CO2 emissions, will the sea give me the money back when it absorbs all of my CO2? Didn't think so.
Well, then you are speaking of something other than a tax break. You are speaking of CAFE standards and emissions.
You are still not completely correct on that as the standards were toughened for trucks (SUVs are in the truck category) in 2001 I believe.
Hummm... so the Germans are going to replace the world's largest coalmine with wind farms or something?
I saw an interesting show on the Discovery channel. They have the largest coal mining equipment on earth digging away following the seam. They move entire towns if they are in the way too, as it is a surface mine.
What "tax breaks for SUVs" are you talking about? I recall a recent proposal for small businesses to be allowed to expense up to $75,000. If you spend all of that on an SUV you still have to amortize everything else you buy, but you might be talking of something else.
I am still missing the point on this "fossile fuels bad" arguement, but here is a post with some related info. I bought the arguement when I was a teenager, but not any more, as NONE of the predictions on fossil fuels materialized, including (in constant dollars) the price (it has dropped over time).
But I am still open to new facts as they come in.
Sounds like another arguement for my hydrogen powered Jeep. GWB mentioned it in his State of the Union Address too.
No telling what the British are thinking though, with all of that renewable energy sitting right there under the North Sea.
Exactly my thought, like drop off one of each at a Delaware welding shop and pick it up after lunch.
With this progress it won't be long until the larger baloon clubs can launch something like this. "We choose to go to the weather baloon.
Just a few years later, about 1978 or 1979, the game "Traveler" riveted my interest in a much more interesting way. Then I got a car and a girlfriend, but I progress . . .
The couple of D&D Dungeons I was involved in then were interesting, but I never really got the "big deal" of it.
This interview of Emmanuel Goldstein of 2600 magazine, from around 1996, has not been featured on /. for AGES! I miss the nine month recycling of this one that went on for years.
:)
CNN does not help by scooting the copyright date up, it says 2001 on the page I viewed.
Wow, the things I miss from the last century
Nope, I am not "confused" about anything, I just do not agree with you. Perhaps you find this amazing, but it is true.
I don't buy $20 parts for my Jeep unless they are supposed to work on the thing and I only buy from merchants that will take the parts back if they do not work as expected.
Looks like some real market forces embeded in the valid example above. None include the government mandated labeling of anything.
Watch out for bass boats using DeCSS!
I am not in favor of the government forcing ladder manufacturers to "inform" their customers that they should not stand on their toes at the top while it is on ice either. Not even touching the Oragon thing.
Are you going to argue that manufacturers being required to disclose that their product contains sugar, dimethol-hy-whatnot, is a violation of their free speech?
Apparently you eat your media, otherwise you would not mistake this with a health issue. Folks like you are why ladders have so many nonsensical labels.
As for the second half of your analogy, I'm not even sure where to begin. Labeling people for their religous and sexual preferences and then beginning a government campaign to exterminate the entire group does not even begin to compare to product labeling.
Now what the hell are you talking about? I was obviously speaking as to labeling being bad, you, apparently, have the same problems as those that wish to label everything at the point of a gun.
Wouldn't you be a bit ticked if the CD burner you bought
was used as a hammer by the store manager's kid, without any notice about it?
This is nothing of the sort, you know it, I know it and this populist grandstander is pulling another watered down Gore/McCarthy stunt.
Nobody expects a Yugo, the zenith of Communist cosumer goods, to be able to keep up with a tricked out CJ-7 in a hill climb. If people market products WITHOUT "copy protection" (a misnomer at best) and LABEL THOSE ACCURATELY AND VOLUNTARILY then that is fine by me.
Apparently YOU need a nanny.
It does NOT prevent Copyright violatiions, aka "Piracy" at all. It just makes gives the average consumer more hassles.
This is a mutant Tipper Gore PMRC measure at it's best.
The difference is . . .
And the similarity is that Communists/Fascists, or any other shade of totalitarian the Political Science Departmet can classify, employ this labelig tactic to force speech on others, just as this fellow is trying to pull.
Why are we bitching at the Democrats? Oh, because it was on slashdot and the genius editor posted it "from the compromising-freedom dept", so we don't have to actually read the the article before kicking into full knee-jerk mode.
Umm, no the issue is at the core of the top post modded "funny" at the moment. The government is making an attempt at forcing speech, with their police power, on the speakers. Just like Tipper Gore with the PMRC, Hitler with the yellow Stars of David, pink triangles and the rest.
That, Sir, is the issue.
Senator Ron Wyden, D-OR sounds more like a Communist with all of his piling on and crawling up the bum of the merchant with is foofy regulations.
Are the "D" blokes part of the Greens/Labor or are thay part of the Workers World Party?