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Having fairly recently had a play with a copy of the last release of OpenSTEP on an old Compaq 486 (a relatively current machine at it's release time in 1996), it would need a fair amount of updating of drivers - it didn't have that many drivers in the first place! It took a lot of fooling to get a combination of network, SCSI and graphics that it could actually support, and even then it was not a happy bunny (DPS died relatively often).
New hardware since then would include: AGP, USB, Firewire, ATA33/66/100 (my version didn't seem interested in IDE at all), any number of video cards with proprietry APIs, likewise for sound.
The build system (and the rest of the environment) was pretty cool though.
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If you check through the engineering design guide for Pentium III at intel, there's nothing to suggest that a PIII wouldn't function if not in a grey box. I suspect if Apple made x86 hardware, it might be nicely designed and integrated the same way that their PPC and 68k hardware was, and NeXT's 68k stuff too.
I'm so sure it is, but either way, the mbox size is the total of all your mail, not just one message.
(thinking about it - I think we're both right. For maildirs, you would do a mv(1) into the tmp subdir, which is essentially free, rather than qpoppers copy to a different fs (/tmp) which is slow and expensive)
The Mail(1) command won't work anymore (real nice for all sorts of customer support stuff).
In the context of qmail, using the sendmail-wrapper provided, mail(1) still seems to work fine for me... I find it handy with uuencode to throw file between systems with no other connections.
filesystem level tool work well with maildir. you don't need special "formail" type tools to work wirh them, bash scripting is capable of doing it all by itself.
Yeah, being to grep to find a particular message properly is really handy - as is being able to kill all the messages containing 'University Diploma' with just find, grep and rm...
The other thing I've found in the past with mbox is that if you're really unlucky, the POP3 server will make a temporary copy of your (whole!) mailbox before doing a UIDL/LIST. qpopper used to do this at least, and you really knew about it when someone had a 30Mb mailbox. Maildir has a minimum of file shuffling and reading/rewriting.
this suggests a third branch might be education. Besides, I doubt miners would enjoy being called stupid - I suspect there is a degree of skill and knowledge to that profession, just as to any other.
"if you do it that way, you'll mess up later because...
Although (from memory, I haven't read XP in a while) the supposed way to go is not to be looking ahead to the next problem (that's what refactoring is for), but to concentrate on your one use case and tests. This is one of the parts that didn't sit right with me about XP. I liked the idea of most of it, although as I was reading I was thinking how it might apply to projects I'd been involved in, and wasn't so sure.
Also, since no-one else has mentioned it so far, the main source for information and discussion of XP (and an interesting read in it's own right) is the C2 Wiki.
But Hemos, as you'd notice if you read the comments to a lot of the stories, plenty of the readers notice - I would guess I see perhaps 90% of the stories posted on slashdot, even if I don't read the discussion on all of them (I don't care about what anime is on a US cable network).
Side question: how much do you guys read slashdot comments? I've always got the impression that apart from Jon Katz, it's pretty rarely. Certainly the number of responses from the posting editor suggests that. Are you all just lurkers, or don't bother at all?
The point was more that MS have some sort of idea about quality code, not that they produced the One True Programming Book.
Anyway, please name some (no, really) - I've been looking around for books that cover the practice of programming, not a language reference or tutorial, and not a specific discipline. All I really came up with is Kernighan's Practice Of Programming, and some of Programming Pearls. They also both share Solid Code's anecdotal style, which I liked.
Re: Hungarian Notation - anyone whoe learned Windows programming early, from Petzold would have soaked it up - I know I did for Windows programming - although I don't do a lot of that at the moment. I suspect it's around more than you think, particularly in the windows world.
I know you just wanted a cheap shot, and hey, this is the audience for it, but I would suggest you read either Writing Solid Code or Code Complete, both published by Microsoft Press, and both supposedly based on internal MS coding practice. They are very good examples of the ways in which you can write easy-to-read, easy-to-debug, easy-to-maintain code.
Regardless of what the front office does and decides as a direction, there are some pretty clever people at Microsoft (not to mention Microsoft Research - Blinn, Kajiya, Gray, and many others).
(of course, feel free to add a more illuminating comment if it wasn't just the usual MS==BAD)
"Sun is allowing third parties to put Linux on SPARCstations and is propagating the Linux-based StarOffice, but it's commitment is hardly emphatic, observers said. "
StarOffice has been available for Windows and Solaris for quite some time hasn't it? And don't Sun now sell Cobalt (i.e. Linux) products?
Yeah - I'm well aware of the RF problem:) I just haven't had a chance to sort out a decent lead. It still looks better than my PS1 ever did with RGB though.
Thanks for the component video explanation - one step past S-video then.
I never have figured out what American's refer to as Component Video (is it RGB, or S-Video?), but according to this the Dreamcast has RGB, S-Video and Composite outs, which covers both of those.
How does that go? Speak not from whence you know not.
I'm not familiar with the PS2, but the quality of output from my DC on RF is pretty impressive - not got a scart cable yet. I have a normal 25" TV, and a cheap DVD player, which obviously makes my opinion worthless, but there you go.
Page 28 has the current requirements for Vcc/Icc. Up to 23A for the core at 1.13Ghz!!
At 2V Vcc, that's 46W, n'est pas?
Does anyone know of a small, sensible desktop platform based around the SA1110? I'd like an NCD/Corel Netwinder sixed system with one of these. Low power, quiet, and quite a lot of interesting gadgetry. Sort of an X terminal on steroids, with sound, USB, etc. It looks like you should be able to build them for about $400 or so (no disk).
I know that for MD, but... Sony have a Memory Stick walkman. Do they use MP3? No, they use ATRAC on a proprietary storage medium, and somehow make everyone believe it's an MP3 player like the Rio, because you can convert your easy-to-deal-with MP3s into their restricted format, stored on their SDMI-enabled medium.
My Sony MD walkman will only record one generation digitally, IIRC. I've only ever used the optical in to record audio from my PC onto MD or direct from my CD player. Analog it doesn't care about at all.
Aside from their display products (I love trinitrons), it will probably be the last Sony product I buy, which is a shame from a general product quality point-of-view, but their variety of attempts at lock-in and customer-control (MD Data, memory stick, ATRAC-not-mp3, no non-windows support for otherwise-nice laptops) has made me think twice.
But the Microsoft solution does get you transaction support in ASP, never mind the database, a replication architecture that has been around a couple of versions (I've never actually used it, but I know that at least SQL6.5 had it), and an army of button-pushers who know how to use it.
Maybe you don't need all the database and transactional features for your application, but you aren't comparing like for like here.
Jon, for someone who seems to have such a hard-on for new media changing our lives, it surprises me to find all your replies just dumped in the top of the heirarchy in a row like this. Replying to posts the normal way would make this so much easier to read (and the poster would know you replied too, through their profile page).
Not really - all of those examples don't require anyone else to put up with your choices. The nearest anyone else would have to come to them is the paper produced by LaTeX.
EMail is *entirely* about interoperablity, on the net-at-large, at least - your choice of mail client and format does affect what I see.
That said, if someone could make a "liblinks" so that I could read the HTML mail in links without having it as an external viewer in mutt, that'd be cool - as it stands, HTML mail is passed over in favour of mail I can read without effort, unless it's someone I know.
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Having fairly recently had a play with a copy of the last release of OpenSTEP on an old Compaq 486 (a relatively current machine at it's release time in 1996), it would need a fair amount of updating of drivers - it didn't have that many drivers in the first place! It took a lot of fooling to get a combination of network, SCSI and graphics that it could actually support, and even then it was not a happy bunny (DPS died relatively often).
New hardware since then would include: AGP, USB, Firewire, ATA33/66/100 (my version didn't seem interested in IDE at all), any number of video cards with proprietry APIs, likewise for sound.
The build system (and the rest of the environment) was pretty cool though.
If you check through the engineering design guide for Pentium III at intel, there's nothing to suggest that a PIII wouldn't function if not in a grey box. I suspect if Apple made x86 hardware, it might be nicely designed and integrated the same way that their PPC and 68k hardware was, and NeXT's 68k stuff too.
I'm so sure it is, but either way, the mbox size is the total of all your mail, not just one message.
(thinking about it - I think we're both right. For maildirs, you would do a mv(1) into the tmp subdir, which is essentially free, rather than qpoppers copy to a different fs (/tmp) which is slow and expensive)
The Mail(1) command won't work anymore (real nice for all sorts of customer support stuff).
In the context of qmail, using the sendmail-wrapper provided, mail(1) still seems to work fine for me... I find it handy with uuencode to throw file between systems with no other connections.
filesystem level tool work well with maildir. you don't need special "formail" type tools to work wirh them, bash scripting is capable of doing it all by itself.
Yeah, being to grep to find a particular message properly is really handy - as is being able to kill all the messages containing 'University Diploma' with just find, grep and rm...
The other thing I've found in the past with mbox is that if you're really unlucky, the POP3 server will make a temporary copy of your (whole!) mailbox before doing a UIDL/LIST. qpopper used to do this at least, and you really knew about it when someone had a 30Mb mailbox. Maildir has a minimum of file shuffling and reading/rewriting.
young, stupid men can no longer find employment
this suggests a third branch might be education. Besides, I doubt miners would enjoy being called stupid - I suspect there is a degree of skill and knowledge to that profession, just as to any other.
"if you do it that way, you'll mess up later because ...
Although (from memory, I haven't read XP in a while) the supposed way to go is not to be looking ahead to the next problem (that's what refactoring is for), but to concentrate on your one use case and tests. This is one of the parts that didn't sit right with me about XP. I liked the idea of most of it, although as I was reading I was thinking how it might apply to projects I'd been involved in, and wasn't so sure.
Also, since no-one else has mentioned it so far, the main source for information and discussion of XP (and an interesting read in it's own right) is the C2 Wiki.
No, no, no! I'm on a winblows computer at school! I can't download it the instant it's out - I won't be part of the /. effect against kernel.org!
Right, because Windows doesn't have internet access built in.
But Hemos, as you'd notice if you read the comments to a lot of the stories, plenty of the readers notice - I would guess I see perhaps 90% of the stories posted on slashdot, even if I don't read the discussion on all of them (I don't care about what anime is on a US cable network).
Side question: how much do you guys read slashdot comments? I've always got the impression that apart from Jon Katz, it's pretty rarely. Certainly the number of responses from the posting editor suggests that. Are you all just lurkers, or don't bother at all?
The point was more that MS have some sort of idea about quality code, not that they produced the One True Programming Book.
Anyway, please name some (no, really) - I've been looking around for books that cover the practice of programming, not a language reference or tutorial, and not a specific discipline. All I really came up with is Kernighan's Practice Of Programming, and some of Programming Pearls. They also both share Solid Code's anecdotal style, which I liked.
Re: Hungarian Notation - anyone whoe learned Windows programming early, from Petzold would have soaked it up - I know I did for Windows programming - although I don't do a lot of that at the moment. I suspect it's around more than you think, particularly in the windows world.
I know you just wanted a cheap shot, and hey, this is the audience for it, but I would suggest you read either Writing Solid Code or Code Complete, both published by Microsoft Press, and both supposedly based on internal MS coding practice. They are very good examples of the ways in which you can write easy-to-read, easy-to-debug, easy-to-maintain code.
Regardless of what the front office does and decides as a direction, there are some pretty clever people at Microsoft (not to mention Microsoft Research - Blinn, Kajiya, Gray, and many others).
(of course, feel free to add a more illuminating comment if it wasn't just the usual MS==BAD)
You should soon be able to skip the PSX part and use nGine or DreamSNES directly on the, errr, emulated Dreamcast.
(are there really 5000 games for the PSX and SNES? That many?)
"Sun is allowing third parties to put Linux on SPARCstations and is propagating the Linux-based StarOffice, but it's commitment is hardly emphatic, observers said. "
StarOffice has been available for Windows and Solaris for quite some time hasn't it? And don't Sun now sell Cobalt (i.e. Linux) products?
Yeah - I'm well aware of the RF problem :) I just haven't had a chance to sort out a decent lead. It still looks better than my PS1 ever did with RGB though.
Thanks for the component video explanation - one step past S-video then.
and hope they aren't using HTTP/1.1 virtual hosts?
It doesn't affect me because I read the web with telnet, but it might be a problem for some.
I never have figured out what American's refer to as Component Video (is it RGB, or S-Video?), but according to this the Dreamcast has RGB, S-Video and Composite outs, which covers both of those.
How does that go? Speak not from whence you know not.
I'm not familiar with the PS2, but the quality of output from my DC on RF is pretty impressive - not got a scart cable yet. I have a normal 25" TV, and a cheap DVD player, which obviously makes my opinion worthless, but there you go.
In UK at least, it's Wega.
As others have pointed out, the case is over - it's the appeal process now.
Also, it's not just the DoJ but a couple of dozen state AG's that are bringing suit, so you'd need to convince all of them too.
It's already the name of a Bruce Sterling (IIRC) short story, about illegal trafficking of the drug: Are You For '86?
Page 50 (PDF page 50) of http://developer.intel.com/design/pentiumiii/datas hts/24445208.pdf has Thermal Specs.
Page 28 has the current requirements for Vcc/Icc. Up to 23A for the core at 1.13Ghz!!
At 2V Vcc, that's 46W, n'est pas?
Does anyone know of a small, sensible desktop platform based around the SA1110? I'd like an NCD/Corel Netwinder sixed system with one of these. Low power, quiet, and quite a lot of interesting gadgetry. Sort of an X terminal on steroids, with sound, USB, etc. It looks like you should be able to build them for about $400 or so (no disk).
I know that for MD, but... Sony have a Memory Stick walkman. Do they use MP3? No, they use ATRAC on a proprietary storage medium, and somehow make everyone believe it's an MP3 player like the Rio, because you can convert your easy-to-deal-with MP3s into their restricted format, stored on their SDMI-enabled medium.
My Sony MD walkman will only record one generation digitally, IIRC. I've only ever used the optical in to record audio from my PC onto MD or direct from my CD player. Analog it doesn't care about at all.
Aside from their display products (I love trinitrons), it will probably be the last Sony product I buy, which is a shame from a general product quality point-of-view, but their variety of attempts at lock-in and customer-control (MD Data, memory stick, ATRAC-not-mp3, no non-windows support for otherwise-nice laptops) has made me think twice.
But the Microsoft solution does get you transaction support in ASP, never mind the database, a replication architecture that has been around a couple of versions (I've never actually used it, but I know that at least SQL6.5 had it), and an army of button-pushers who know how to use it.
Maybe you don't need all the database and transactional features for your application, but you aren't comparing like for like here.
Jon, for someone who seems to have such a hard-on for new media changing our lives, it surprises me to find all your replies just dumped in the top of the heirarchy in a row like this. Replying to posts the normal way would make this so much easier to read (and the poster would know you replied too, through their profile page).
This is like arguing... [examples chopped]
Not really - all of those examples don't require anyone else to put up with your choices. The nearest anyone else would have to come to them is the paper produced by LaTeX.
EMail is *entirely* about interoperablity, on the net-at-large, at least - your choice of mail client and format does affect what I see.
That said, if someone could make a "liblinks" so that I could read the HTML mail in links without having it as an external viewer in mutt, that'd be cool - as it stands, HTML mail is passed over in favour of mail I can read without effort, unless it's someone I know.