Well, not only that, but you have to consider the severity of the hole. If it's just some cross-site scripting bs that gains you user-level access through the apache account, that's one thing. If it's more like the Windows-IIS-r00t-pwnt hole, that's another.
Not only that but it's retarded to compare these things in the first place. IIS is a Microsoft product, developed in-house by their talented people. Apache is developed by dozens (if not hundreds) of decentralized, loosely organized folks. Redhat has little to do with Apache development other than pack it up and ship it after making some tweaks. So to say 'Linux is bla bla' is false, because it's Redhat. Then to say 'Redhat bla bla' is also false, because what we're really comparing is some version of Apache to IIS.
For a couple of educated guys in front of a hardcore group, they sure did something stupid.
Actually, driving time does have a huge impact on driving risk. However, speed..not so much. Insurance companies look more closely at people that drive more, or drive commercially, than they do your typical commuter. For them, it's about managing risk, and the more you drive, the greater your risk. It's basically a numbers game.
No shit, how did you think the Abu Gharib photos got traded? On the internet, from Iraq, with love.
Don't give these soldiers too much credit for being security-minded, most of them are 18 year old kids, fresh out of high school and straight out of the boot camp. The internet is one of the best and worst things for soldiers to have access to. I'd hate to be a military sysadmin.
For more on this, see the crappy performance of any Adobe app in MacOSX. They refuse to conform to the new standards (coconut or whatever the hell they're calling it) and end up with slow slow apps.
Funny how Adobe made all their money from Apple to begin with and NT was once a hobbled stepchild to them. Now Apple's the stepchild. Oh how things have changed.
You should believe I was joking, because if you read my whole post, you would've understood that I'm somewhat agnostic when it comes to operating systems. I'll support anything people install, but won't force anyone into using an OS they don't like or don't want to use. I encourage people to give Linux a try (and hand out LiveCDs of Pclinuxos) and some of them stick with it.
At the end of the day, you know what I said was tongue-in-cheek but holds true: an XP support guy will have a constant stream of business regardless of how many patches he applies or firewalls he throws up. The only safe and maintainable XP machine is one that isn't plugged in to any network.
I tend to cater to wealthy clients myself. I have one client who has terminal problems with her XP computers. She kept asking if she should get a mac, and I kept telling her it was ultimately her decision, they're expensive, but she'd probably like it. A month later she calls me over to setup her new 21" imac. I was pretty impressed by it but it seemed like it should've been faster. Since that day I've had to come over and do a little more maintenance on her other computers (and setup wireless file sharing from her other machines) but overall she really loves her Mac and doesn't have trouble with it. The only problem is, she doesn't need me as much anymore.
People, encourage your colleagues to stick with XP. It's money in the bank.
I think he means they said 'feh' or 'meh', which means 'fuck it, it doesn't matter'. Therefore, meh-ing something means to pay it little or no attention, to shrug it off.
I believe this is a new word, as if English doesn't have enough words already.
Last time around it was called Disct@2 (disc tattoo) and was available from Yamaha. This has been around since mid 2002. The fact that it never went over well isn't much of a surprise, this is gimmicky tech that requires special media.
Let me know when someone builds some tiny inkjet heads in a cdrom drive, and you can slap white stickers over the disc and let it do the work after it burns. All it has to do is some special image processing and it can print as the disc turns slowly either direction.
Actually these days, with fab production moving towards pc3200 and away from pc2700, pc3200 is actually cheaper than 2700 is. Take a look at newegg or any other site selling same-brand, same-size ram and you'll see a difference in price. It's funky but true.
Hey now, that didn't deserve an offtopic. I bet I'm not the only one that misunderstood the difference between a protocol and an implementation of that protocol. Anyway it's still relevant because Apple may use XFree86 or X.org, and that was kinda my original question.
But seriously, thanks for clearing that up. All 12 of you.
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Not only has it taken awhile for Management to catch on, but in that same time, Linux has matured in many ways.
As far as package management goes, Linux is about where it needs to be. Add some online repositories with most flavors of Linux and you can install anything you need without touching a CD. The hardware detection/support has come a long long way also, which was critical for widespread adoption. Nobody can run an OS that doesn't recognize and support their video card/soundcard/network card/you name it.
Price is, and has always been, very competitive. Even with the big guys like RedHat Enterprise, you save cash on seat and server licenses. Add to that whatever factor of ROI you want and Linux becomes more attractive. Uptime is also a crucial factor and according to recent security articles, Linux as a whole is hardening and becoming more stable.
Unix is winning again because due to Linux hackers it's becoming something it never was before: friendly. Ask the 12 year old kid who installed Gentoo last week if it's easy to play Quake3 on Linux. There are good IM clients, Mail clients, the best browsers, file sharing apps, etc. etc. and most of it is untainted by commercial entities shoveling spyware/malware down your throat. As the end user experience becomes enriched, you see more newbies taking a stab at 'this whole Linux thing'. Even hardcore, long-time Windows advocates may shamefully admit to having a Linux router, firewall, or file server in a dark corner of their network, quietly doing it's part to make things work.
In summary, it is a culmination of many factors that is making Linux popular and widespread, and these factors have coalesced over time (and with a little corporate sponsorship) to help foster growth of what we refer to as Linux.
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Judging by the last few years, I'd say that Sun execs play golf...way too much.
People are still running X11 in this day and age? I thought since all the major distros adopted x.org that people quit using the outdated X11. One changes, the other one (sadly) remains the same.
Sucks going with a proprietary, closed vendor sometimes. We've been very happy with our Sip-enabled Polycom phones though, we have an office full of them now and they work like champions. Nobody has even noticed that there are no phone lines in the new cubes and that the handsfree is full duplex now. I like it when new tech makes you take things for granted.
You're talking about issues with the SIP protocol and double NAT. Other, newer protocols like iax and iax2 don't have problems with double NAT. The only problem is, nobody makes IAX/IAX2 phones (yet). People are working on them. In the meantime the little iaxy bugger from Digium is supposed to fill the gap, at least with standard analog phones.
Come on now, who are you kidding here? Anyone that calls themselves 'boi' is obviously in the sparkly part of the sexual spectrum, i.e. light in the loafers.
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Well, not only that, but you have to consider the severity of the hole. If it's just some cross-site scripting bs that gains you user-level access through the apache account, that's one thing. If it's more like the Windows-IIS-r00t-pwnt hole, that's another.
Not only that but it's retarded to compare these things in the first place. IIS is a Microsoft product, developed in-house by their talented people. Apache is developed by dozens (if not hundreds) of decentralized, loosely organized folks. Redhat has little to do with Apache development other than pack it up and ship it after making some tweaks. So to say 'Linux is bla bla' is false, because it's Redhat. Then to say 'Redhat bla bla' is also false, because what we're really comparing is some version of Apache to IIS.
For a couple of educated guys in front of a hardcore group, they sure did something stupid.
Actually, driving time does have a huge impact on driving risk. However, speed..not so much. Insurance companies look more closely at people that drive more, or drive commercially, than they do your typical commuter. For them, it's about managing risk, and the more you drive, the greater your risk. It's basically a numbers game.
Sounds like it's time for some more propaganda posters like these
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No shit, how did you think the Abu Gharib photos got traded? On the internet, from Iraq, with love.
Don't give these soldiers too much credit for being security-minded, most of them are 18 year old kids, fresh out of high school and straight out of the boot camp. The internet is one of the best and worst things for soldiers to have access to. I'd hate to be a military sysadmin.
For more on this, see the crappy performance of any Adobe app in MacOSX. They refuse to conform to the new standards (coconut or whatever the hell they're calling it) and end up with slow slow apps.
Funny how Adobe made all their money from Apple to begin with and NT was once a hobbled stepchild to them. Now Apple's the stepchild. Oh how things have changed.
You should believe I was joking, because if you read my whole post, you would've understood that I'm somewhat agnostic when it comes to operating systems. I'll support anything people install, but won't force anyone into using an OS they don't like or don't want to use. I encourage people to give Linux a try (and hand out LiveCDs of Pclinuxos) and some of them stick with it.
At the end of the day, you know what I said was tongue-in-cheek but holds true: an XP support guy will have a constant stream of business regardless of how many patches he applies or firewalls he throws up. The only safe and maintainable XP machine is one that isn't plugged in to any network.
I tend to cater to wealthy clients myself. I have one client who has terminal problems with her XP computers. She kept asking if she should get a mac, and I kept telling her it was ultimately her decision, they're expensive, but she'd probably like it. A month later she calls me over to setup her new 21" imac. I was pretty impressed by it but it seemed like it should've been faster. Since that day I've had to come over and do a little more maintenance on her other computers (and setup wireless file sharing from her other machines) but overall she really loves her Mac and doesn't have trouble with it. The only problem is, she doesn't need me as much anymore.
People, encourage your colleagues to stick with XP. It's money in the bank.
I think he means they said 'feh' or 'meh', which means 'fuck it, it doesn't matter'. Therefore, meh-ing something means to pay it little or no attention, to shrug it off.
I believe this is a new word, as if English doesn't have enough words already.
"So far all dictatorships have failed."
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Shhh! Don't say that too loud, Korea or Cuba might hear you!
That'd be cool, but what would the icon be? A sniper reticle aimed at a question mark? A huge globe falling onto a tiny ant?
The only question is, who is still using sendmail? Major distros have moved on to postfix and qmail is always an option.
Well, Prius owners are as lucky as Pontiac Aztec owners are; your cars are so hideously ugly that no criminals want to steal them.
Last time around it was called Disct@2 (disc tattoo) and was available from Yamaha. This has been around since mid 2002. The fact that it never went over well isn't much of a surprise, this is gimmicky tech that requires special media.
Let me know when someone builds some tiny inkjet heads in a cdrom drive, and you can slap white stickers over the disc and let it do the work after it burns. All it has to do is some special image processing and it can print as the disc turns slowly either direction.
"so can we PLEASE try to keep this from turning into the usual religeon flamewar?"
Sure, but first let me trade your extraneous letter 'e' for an 'i'. I.e. religion, not religeon (like pigeon?).
Actually these days, with fab production moving towards pc3200 and away from pc2700, pc3200 is actually cheaper than 2700 is. Take a look at newegg or any other site selling same-brand, same-size ram and you'll see a difference in price. It's funky but true.
I just bought a pair of Mushkin DDR, 2 matched sticks of 512, pc3200, for $130 after rebate. Got it from Newegg.com.
Hey now, that didn't deserve an offtopic. I bet I'm not the only one that misunderstood the difference between a protocol and an implementation of that protocol. Anyway it's still relevant because Apple may use XFree86 or X.org, and that was kinda my original question.
But seriously, thanks for clearing that up. All 12 of you.
Not only has it taken awhile for Management to catch on, but in that same time, Linux has matured in many ways.
As far as package management goes, Linux is about where it needs to be. Add some online repositories with most flavors of Linux and you can install anything you need without touching a CD. The hardware detection/support has come a long long way also, which was critical for widespread adoption. Nobody can run an OS that doesn't recognize and support their video card/soundcard/network card/you name it.
Price is, and has always been, very competitive. Even with the big guys like RedHat Enterprise, you save cash on seat and server licenses. Add to that whatever factor of ROI you want and Linux becomes more attractive. Uptime is also a crucial factor and according to recent security articles, Linux as a whole is hardening and becoming more stable.
Unix is winning again because due to Linux hackers it's becoming something it never was before: friendly. Ask the 12 year old kid who installed Gentoo last week if it's easy to play Quake3 on Linux. There are good IM clients, Mail clients, the best browsers, file sharing apps, etc. etc. and most of it is untainted by commercial entities shoveling spyware/malware down your throat. As the end user experience becomes enriched, you see more newbies taking a stab at 'this whole Linux thing'. Even hardcore, long-time Windows advocates may shamefully admit to having a Linux router, firewall, or file server in a dark corner of their network, quietly doing it's part to make things work.
In summary, it is a culmination of many factors that is making Linux popular and widespread, and these factors have coalesced over time (and with a little corporate sponsorship) to help foster growth of what we refer to as Linux.
Judging by the last few years, I'd say that Sun execs play golf...way too much.
"Let's hinge our company around Java!"
"Great idea Frank. Fore!"
People are still running X11 in this day and age? I thought since all the major distros adopted x.org that people quit using the outdated X11. One changes, the other one (sadly) remains the same.
Wow, props to the insightful, well-written post, low user number, and relevancy.
There may be hope for Slashdot after all.
Louisiana is a curiously French influenced state that doesn't really count towards the whole of US policy.
Sucks going with a proprietary, closed vendor sometimes. We've been very happy with our Sip-enabled Polycom phones though, we have an office full of them now and they work like champions. Nobody has even noticed that there are no phone lines in the new cubes and that the handsfree is full duplex now. I like it when new tech makes you take things for granted.
You're talking about issues with the SIP protocol and double NAT. Other, newer protocols like iax and iax2 don't have problems with double NAT. The only problem is, nobody makes IAX/IAX2 phones (yet). People are working on them. In the meantime the little iaxy bugger from Digium is supposed to fill the gap, at least with standard analog phones.
Come on now, who are you kidding here? Anyone that calls themselves 'boi' is obviously in the sparkly part of the sexual spectrum, i.e. light in the loafers.