It was my understanding that Pro Tools Free was restricted to a small number of tracks AND has no hardware support.
If you want the extra tracks, or want to use it with dedicated hardware, you're going to have to buy it.
I haven't priced the ProTools hardware, but you might be able to get a decent soundboard for less than the protools system, and then just get a system to do playback and maybe effects in the computer. I'd rather have a real console under my fingers anyway.
I work at a CBS affiliate, and we make money from the commercials in the shows we broadcast. Most TV stations aren't owned by the networks.
We don't see any money from the cable company. I'm not sure if the network does, but if that's the case the cable company would also have to pay royalties for all the syndicated programming we air.
And you know how the cable company makes money? Primarily advertising... It's like a newspaper, it's not free but they still advertise.
I think you're right about the dot.com advertising. The only company that I've ever bought something from as a result of a banner add was Think Geek.
But the traditional media, TV, Print, Radio. It's all advertising money, and they rake it in hand over fist.
DVD's don't have any amazing resolution. It's not High Def. Hell, assuming it's D1 resolution, (I'm not quite up to spec on DVD, but it's prolly D1) it's 720x480, which if you do the math, it isn't 4:3, that's cause it's non-square pixels, meaning that with the rectangular pixels in a TV it displays 4:3, The letter boxing is done in hardware in the DVD player to "stretch" the movie horizontally, if you turn this off the movie is full frame, but looks squished.
The compression can look good if the data rate is high enough, but something rendered in real time would be uncompressed and you wouldn't need to worry about that...
But "DVD quality" is not 1600x1200, HD is only about the resolution of a 2k film scan...
Actually, if they rendered the actually FF at the same resolution they did the film, D1 video would contain almost a 4th or 16th of the data as the film, which would make it fast enough to render at D1 res in real time...
Well, NTSC is 30 frames a second drop-frame. Every 10 seconds a frame in dropped (It's late, might not be 10). So it turns out to be 29.97.
Analogue resolution is measured in horizontal scan lines, you can't say it's "640x480", it doesn't work that way in the analogue world. A BetacamSP deck can record upwards of 500 lines of resolution, a DV deck (Consumer mini-dv, dvcam, dvcpro) can record 480 lines (Cause it's D1 and uses a different shaped pixel than computer monitors, the resolution is actually 720x486 which would turn out to be 3:2 on a computer monitor, but is 4:3 on a TV.), etc.
Every frame is divided into fields, upper and lower. If you numbered them starting at 1 for the first line, the odd numbers would be displayed first, followed by the even ones. So you have approximitely 30 frames times 2 fields, so you actually have 60 frames per second at an effective "resolution" of app. 240 scan lines a frame. This increases temporal resolution by decreasing spatial resolution. This is called interlacing. It's also why when you pause video and there's movement it will jump back and forth, from odd to even fields.
Pal is 25 fps, with two field per frame, so it has a slightly small temporal resolution (with only 50 effective frames per second) but the spatial resolution is larger, there's more scan lines per frame.
Most 35mm film is projected at 24fps, however the shutter opens and closes several times that every second, if it only opened and closed 24 times every second the flicker would be very noticeable. It still is if you sit very close to a large screen.
In video this is called "progressive". Progressive is where the entire frame is displayed at once, and not in fields like interlaced video. There are a couple different compatible HD formats, one is 24p (p=progressive, i=interlaced) fps, the other 30p fps, and the other is 30i (effectively 60fps). the 24p would be for movies and stuff that originated on film or a 24p HD camera. The 30p stuff would be video content mostly, and the 30i stuff would be for sports where a faster shutter speed would keep movement sharper.
It's interesting to note that most DVDs with content that's from film actually store it as 24 frames per second/progressive. And your DVD player does what's called a 3:2 pull down in hardware to turn it into 30fps, that's also why you can freeze a DVD without interlacing artifacts of the picture jumping back and forth. I'm not sure how PAL DVD players do this, as the preferred method for transferring and distributing PAL VHS tapes was to just run the film at 25 fps, which sped it up. I think the PAL version of Titanic was actually something like 10 minutes shorter than the NTSC version.
But film can be shot and played at virtually any speed mechanically possible.
Wouldn't that result in a negative timestamp? Subtract the numbers of seconds till 1978 from 0...
Fear and Loathing in Unix
San Francisco in the middle seventies, was a very special time and place to be a part of, but no explanation, no mix of code or shell scripts or hardware can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and coding, in that corner of time in the world. Whatever it meant. There were errors in any direction, at any hour... you could debug code anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning, and that I think was the handle. That sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or military sense, we didn't need that. Our OS would simply prevail. We had all the momentum. We were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less then 60 years later, you can go up on a steep hill in California and look east over rolling brownouts, and with the right kind of eyes, you can almost see the high water mark. That place where the wave finally broke... and rolled over.
Same way I'll graduate highschool in a semester at 16, but I've been attending college exclusively since I was 14...
Education is overrated.
Some people justify with the social interaction,
others condemn it for the same reason.
I personally would rather get out of school as fast as possible, the college experience has been good though, and interact socially with peers at work, and I love my job, nothings like a live broadcast where hundreds of thousands people watch you screw up...
I remember way back when...
The kernels were 2.0
The year was 1997
I was 12 and a Highschool freshmen
I remember staying up all saturday night editting X-Windows configuration files by hand. BTW this was slackware, so none of that wussy automatic stuff. No Gnome, KDE, I used LWM as a window manager. Very Functional and Very Fast. I have to say looking back I'm very proud of my traditionalist approach.
Right now I'm running Mac OS on the ol' G3 Powerbook, No After Effects or lightwave for linux / however no blender for the mac ('till OS X), But I'll be eagerly awaiting OS X.
Perhaps into the palm desktop to sync, but just to print out, I mean, come on... And if you can sit down and type it in one sitting do you really need the list?
What id like to see, is some small technology that would lemme carry around all the music I might wanna hear with me in a relativley small space, until then, mp3 players cant beat the price/perf ratio:)
I've been thinking about minidisc lately,
Approximately $250 (+ or -) for a portable player/recorder, $2 media that holds 74 minutes stereo 148 minutes mono(say for 2 and 1/2 hours of geeks in space, prairie home companion, college lectures, etc...)
Only thing I'm not sure is how any SDMI or similar schemes might be implented in them, I'd like to find out though.
I bet it's only a matter of time till we get an open letter from Richie Stallman telling us why Plan 9 isn't really Open Source. Not a flame, just an insight.
Seriously, wouldn't food get just about permanently stuck in that beard?
Most normal projectors run less than $4,000. $4,000 being a nice video projector. I imagine those $2500-$5000 figures are missing a decimal point or two? otherwise they'd be reasonably priced...
And wasn't Phantom Menace projected digitally for their daily review and some premieres?
I'm not a legal professional by any stretch of the imagination, I do remember something from highschool history class though.
Can't remember what the exact terminology was, it fell right in next to the Habeus Corpus...
What it boiled down to was that you can't be prosecuted for a crime you didn't know you committed...
Say I move into town and I own a poodle. Turns out owning a poodle in that town is punishable by 90 days in the local prison. I didn't know that, should I be sent to jail for some obscure ruling I was unaware of.
Granted everyone should be aware of all laws applied to them, in the case of the ferry cutter that was just indecent.
If I understand what your saying, you just described the underlying precepts to the X protocol.
i.e. export DISPLAY="CLIENT:00" xterm & logout
I would love to see the X Protocol extended to allow resuming of broken connections, it seems like it could be implemented server-side, with some sort of X-proxy. Not like VNC mind you, straight X.... Geeze, odds are it's already implemented and I'm the last to know..
Borrowing a vision from Asimov, he pictured a world wide network of computers with access to vast libraries of information. As tools. I would be thrilled to see more knowledge-centric projects set up on the internet, for example: Project Gutenburg, it's a great thing, and a start in the right direction. I think it's in these ventures that the internet will actually become welcomed and accepted as commonplace. Where my grandma or aunt Sue would have an opportunity to learn about places and things they otherwise wouldn't have, and without having to worry about managing the mechanics. In a perfect world I suppose...
I've noticed too, that in any highschool there's always a few kids that are convinced that using aol and downloading warez makes them "uber-cool hacker guys." Then on the other hand, there's always a crowd that knows UNIX, and are capable of making 47k straight out of highschool. Fortunately I fell in with the latter. And have been happilly running some form of unix or another since I was 12.
I can finally waste as many Brain Cells in Linux having fun. Than I could by bashing my head against the keyboard out of the frustration of windows just freezing and me losing my final term paper... This is definitely a Good Thing(TM)
Mix is good, I've had no problems with it. I used it at school a while back. If you fiddle with the configuration files you can disable twm (its default window manager). Then you can run whatever window manager you want off of the remote linux box.
There's another commercial server, that I toyed around with a demo, Xwin-Pro or something, its on Tucows. The nice feature was it had an option to use its own window manager, which integrated X apps with the windows title bars, minimize, etc.. I'm sure anyone that's used to windows would accept this better then any unix window manager, at first anyways. Its not free.
A third commercial server, Omni-X, which is my personal favorite, Sells to Government and Academic licenses at a discount, maybe they could cut you a deal. www.xlink.com. My favorite feature with this one is it'll query an xdm server. You run XDM on the linux server, user starts up Omni-X, they enter their login/pass, apps and window manager start up.
An Xserver that supports XDMCP would seem to be a must, as it would cut your administration time by quite a few factors.
VNC was suggested, but keep in mind if you used this, you'd have to actively mantain a concurrent VNC server running for each user. They're client is incredible however, IMO. too bad it doesn't have support for straight X.
If you have any questions, you can mail -- finale @macroshaft.org
heh, I usually read through all the coments before posting, I haven't even had my morning pot of coffee yet, so I'm gonna take the bet that no one brought this up yet.
Remember back in Europe, a long time ago, the Do-Nothing kings? They just threw parties in the palace and slept off hangovers, and they mayors of the palace did all the work. That's what it sounds like to me.
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I think it's a Charlie Daniels Band tune... Something about Stroker Ace I think
It was my understanding that Pro Tools Free was restricted to a small number of tracks AND has no hardware support.
If you want the extra tracks, or want to use it with dedicated hardware, you're going to have to buy it.
I haven't priced the ProTools hardware, but you might be able to get a decent soundboard for less than the protools system, and then just get a system to do playback and maybe effects in the computer. I'd rather have a real console under my fingers anyway.
Heh, someone mod'd this up, even though it's wrong, and I even posted and agreed it was wrong. Ah well.
Heh, looks like your right.
For some reason I had that buried in my head, must be another software based NLE that specifically excludes iMacs...
Final Cut Pro doesn't run on the iMacs, never has and never will. I own a mac, and like 'em, but all the iMacs I've used were real flakey.
I work at a CBS affiliate, and we make money from the commercials in the shows we broadcast. Most TV stations aren't owned by the networks.
We don't see any money from the cable company. I'm not sure if the network does, but if that's the case the cable company would also have to pay royalties for all the syndicated programming we air.
And you know how the cable company makes money? Primarily advertising... It's like a newspaper, it's not free but they still advertise.
I think you're right about the dot.com advertising. The only company that I've ever bought something from as a result of a banner add was Think Geek.
But the traditional media, TV, Print, Radio. It's all advertising money, and they rake it in hand over fist.
We all know no one on the west coast counts...
I work in broadcast television and last I checked I get paid with 100% advertising revenue.
DVD's don't have any amazing resolution. It's not High Def. Hell, assuming it's D1 resolution, (I'm not quite up to spec on DVD, but it's prolly D1) it's 720x480, which if you do the math, it isn't 4:3, that's cause it's non-square pixels, meaning that with the rectangular pixels in a TV it displays 4:3, The letter boxing is done in hardware in the DVD player to "stretch" the movie horizontally, if you turn this off the movie is full frame, but looks squished.
The compression can look good if the data rate is high enough, but something rendered in real time would be uncompressed and you wouldn't need to worry about that...
But "DVD quality" is not 1600x1200, HD is only about the resolution of a 2k film scan...
Actually, if they rendered the actually FF at the same resolution they did the film, D1 video would contain almost a 4th or 16th of the data as the film, which would make it fast enough to render at D1 res in real time...
Well, NTSC is 30 frames a second drop-frame. Every 10 seconds a frame in dropped (It's late, might not be 10). So it turns out to be 29.97.
Analogue resolution is measured in horizontal scan lines, you can't say it's "640x480", it doesn't work that way in the analogue world. A BetacamSP deck can record upwards of 500 lines of resolution, a DV deck (Consumer mini-dv, dvcam, dvcpro) can record 480 lines (Cause it's D1 and uses a different shaped pixel than computer monitors, the resolution is actually 720x486 which would turn out to be 3:2 on a computer monitor, but is 4:3 on a TV.), etc.
Every frame is divided into fields, upper and lower. If you numbered them starting at 1 for the first line, the odd numbers would be displayed first, followed by the even ones. So you have approximitely 30 frames times 2 fields, so you actually have 60 frames per second at an effective "resolution" of app. 240 scan lines a frame. This increases temporal resolution by decreasing spatial resolution. This is called interlacing. It's also why when you pause video and there's movement it will jump back and forth, from odd to even fields.
Pal is 25 fps, with two field per frame, so it has a slightly small temporal resolution (with only 50 effective frames per second) but the spatial resolution is larger, there's more scan lines per frame.
Most 35mm film is projected at 24fps, however the shutter opens and closes several times that every second, if it only opened and closed 24 times every second the flicker would be very noticeable. It still is if you sit very close to a large screen.
In video this is called "progressive". Progressive is where the entire frame is displayed at once, and not in fields like interlaced video. There are a couple different compatible HD formats, one is 24p (p=progressive, i=interlaced) fps, the other 30p fps, and the other is 30i (effectively 60fps). the 24p would be for movies and stuff that originated on film or a 24p HD camera. The 30p stuff would be video content mostly, and the 30i stuff would be for sports where a faster shutter speed would keep movement sharper.
It's interesting to note that most DVDs with content that's from film actually store it as 24 frames per second/progressive. And your DVD player does what's called a 3:2 pull down in hardware to turn it into 30fps, that's also why you can freeze a DVD without interlacing artifacts of the picture jumping back and forth. I'm not sure how PAL DVD players do this, as the preferred method for transferring and distributing PAL VHS tapes was to just run the film at 25 fps, which sped it up. I think the PAL version of Titanic was actually something like 10 minutes shorter than the NTSC version.
But film can be shot and played at virtually any speed mechanically possible.
Wouldn't that result in a negative timestamp? Subtract the numbers of seconds till 1978 from 0...
Fear and Loathing in Unix
San Francisco in the middle seventies, was a very special time and place to be a part of, but no explanation, no mix of code or shell scripts or hardware can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and coding, in that corner of time in the world. Whatever it meant. There were errors in any direction, at any hour... you could debug code anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning, and that I think was the handle. That sense of inevitable victory over the forces of old and evil. Not in any mean or military sense, we didn't need that. Our OS would simply prevail. We had all the momentum. We were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. So now, less then 60 years later, you can go up on a steep hill in California and look east over rolling brownouts, and with the right kind of eyes, you can almost see the high water mark. That place where the wave finally broke... and rolled over.
Same way I'll graduate highschool in a semester at 16, but I've been attending college exclusively since I was 14...
Education is overrated.
Some people justify with the social interaction,
others condemn it for the same reason.
I personally would rather get out of school as fast as possible, the college experience has been good though, and interact socially with peers at work, and I love my job, nothings like a live broadcast where hundreds of thousands people watch you screw up...
I remember way back when...
The kernels were 2.0
The year was 1997
I was 12 and a Highschool freshmen
I remember staying up all saturday night editting X-Windows configuration files by hand. BTW this was slackware, so none of that wussy automatic stuff. No Gnome, KDE, I used LWM as a window manager. Very Functional and Very Fast. I have to say looking back I'm very proud of my traditionalist approach.
Right now I'm running Mac OS on the ol' G3 Powerbook, No After Effects or lightwave for linux / however no blender for the mac ('till OS X), But I'll be eagerly awaiting OS X.
Who types their shopping list anyway?
Perhaps into the palm desktop to sync, but just to print out, I mean, come on... And if you can sit down and type it in one sitting do you really need the list?
What id like to see, is some small technology that would lemme carry around all the music I might wanna hear with me in a relativley small space, until then, mp3 players cant beat the price/perf ratio :)
I've been thinking about minidisc lately, Approximately $250 (+ or -) for a portable player/recorder, $2 media that holds 74 minutes stereo 148 minutes mono(say for 2 and 1/2 hours of geeks in space, prairie home companion, college lectures, etc...)
Only thing I'm not sure is how any SDMI or similar schemes might be implented in them, I'd like to find out though.
I bet it's only a matter of time till we get an open letter from Richie Stallman telling us why Plan 9 isn't really Open Source. Not a flame, just an insight.
Seriously, wouldn't food get just about permanently stuck in that beard?
Most normal projectors run less than $4,000. $4,000 being a nice video projector. I imagine those $2500-$5000 figures are missing a decimal point or two? otherwise they'd be reasonably priced...
And wasn't Phantom Menace projected digitally for their daily review and some premieres?
I'm not a legal professional by any stretch of the imagination, I do remember something from highschool history class though.
Can't remember what the exact terminology was, it fell right in next to the Habeus Corpus...
What it boiled down to was that you can't be prosecuted for a crime you didn't know you committed...
Say I move into town and I own a poodle. Turns out owning a poodle in that town is punishable by 90 days in the local prison. I didn't know that, should I be sent to jail for some obscure ruling I was unaware of.
Granted everyone should be aware of all laws applied to them, in the case of the ferry cutter that was just indecent.
If I understand what your saying, you just described the underlying precepts to the X protocol.
i.e.
export DISPLAY="CLIENT:00"
xterm &
logout
I would love to see the X Protocol extended to allow resuming of broken connections, it seems like it could be implemented server-side, with some sort of X-proxy. Not like VNC mind you, straight X.... Geeze, odds are it's already implemented and I'm the last to know..
Borrowing a vision from Asimov, he pictured a world wide network of computers with access to vast libraries of information. As tools.
I would be thrilled to see more knowledge-centric projects set up on the internet, for example:
Project Gutenburg, it's a great thing, and a start in the right direction.
I think it's in these ventures that the internet will actually become welcomed and accepted as commonplace. Where my grandma or aunt Sue would have an opportunity to learn about places and things they otherwise wouldn't have, and without having to worry about managing the mechanics. In a perfect world I suppose...
After the same question was posed about solaris, it went Open Source, to an extent.
Does this signify the advent of the "closed sourcing" of linux?
Any bets?
I've noticed too, that in any highschool there's always a few kids that are convinced that using aol and downloading warez makes them "uber-cool hacker guys." Then on the other hand, there's always a crowd that knows UNIX, and are capable of making 47k straight out of highschool.
Fortunately I fell in with the latter. And have been happilly running some form of unix or another since I was 12.
I can finally waste as many Brain Cells in Linux having fun. Than I could by bashing my head against the keyboard out of the frustration of windows just freezing and me losing my final term paper...
This is definitely a Good Thing(TM)
Mix is good, I've had no problems with it. I used it at school a while back. If you fiddle with the configuration files you can disable twm (its default window manager). Then you can run whatever window manager you want off of the remote linux box.
There's another commercial server, that I toyed around with a demo, Xwin-Pro or something, its on Tucows. The nice feature was it had an option to use its own window manager, which integrated X apps with the windows title bars, minimize, etc.. I'm sure anyone that's used to windows would accept this better then any unix window manager, at first anyways. Its not free.
A third commercial server, Omni-X, which is my personal favorite, Sells to Government and Academic licenses at a discount, maybe they could cut you a deal. www.xlink.com. My favorite feature with this one is it'll query an xdm server. You run XDM on the linux server, user starts up Omni-X, they enter their login/pass, apps and window manager start up.
An Xserver that supports XDMCP would seem to be a must, as it would cut your administration time by quite a few factors.
VNC was suggested, but keep in mind if you used this, you'd have to actively mantain a concurrent VNC server running for each user. They're client is incredible however, IMO. too bad it doesn't have support for straight X.
If you have any questions, you can mail -- finale @macroshaft.org
heh, I usually read through all the coments before posting, I haven't even had my morning pot of coffee yet, so I'm gonna take the bet that no one brought this up yet.
Remember back in Europe, a long time ago, the Do-Nothing kings? They just threw parties in the palace and slept off hangovers, and they mayors of the palace did all the work. That's what it sounds like to me.
/Orion, Cliche` subjects: A thing of the past.