I don't know, I'm not a basketball expert (or even fan). But since our guys did beat a J.V. team that was a year older (exhibition game), and our guys were also the State Champs at the JH level, they can't have been too bad!:)
But I do recall one decided advantage the wheelchair guys had: they could UNIFORMLY sink baskets from across the mid-court line. Propelling unpowered chairs solely with their own muscles had turned their arms into Superman appendages.
Also, when they got really moving, they could sometimes outrun our guys, who very rapidly decided it was NOT necessary to be "nice" to the "disabled" team!!
I think the line needs to be drawn at the point where something *replaces* part of the human body, rather than being *added* to it (as with skis, etc.) Also, in the case of those high-tech *additions*, everyone has exactly the same opportunity to use them. Of course, this could change -- frex, let *every* runner use spring-loaded gear! surely the same principle could be fitted to an intact leg and foot.
Otherwise, as someone above mentioned, you lose the whole point of the Olympics: to demonstrate what the =human= body can achieve.
When I was in the 9th grade, a wheelchair basketball team gave a demo at our school, then played a regular game against our team -- who were damned good for junior-high kids, in fact they'd *beaten* a pretty good *high school* junior-varsity team.
Despite which, the wheelchair team thoroughly trounced our able-bodied team.
And how long is it before some otherwise-healthy person has their legs amputated so they too can be a spring-loaded sprinter, because they feel that will give them that final edge they need to make the Olympics?
Don't think it won't happen. Obsessed athletes are among the absolute worst for ignoring long-term consequences in favour of short-term goals.
I think it would be interesting to fit an intact human with essentially the same spring-loaded gear, then evaluate his performance both with and without the gear.
I remember when these spring-loaded leg replacements first came on the scene -- what the runners can do with them is amazing. But it is not the same as the ideal of the athlete and nothing but the athlete.
Here's a parallel: let's postulate that there exist waldo suits for paraplegics, giving them full range of motion. Should they then be allowed to compete as wrestlers? is it fair to the other contestant, who can't get a grip on that hard-plastic suit, and doesn't have the leverage that waldo-driven limbs can generate?
Oh yes, the Los Angeles County library system is an embarrassment, especially considering that it serves something like 10-15 million people (a lot of city libraries are part of the county system). I don't think it's coincidental that CA has very few usedbook stores, whereas everywhere I've been in the midwest, there are lots of 'em. CA is just not a reading state, nor, overall, a well-educated state. (Only about 75% of local residents are highschool graduates, and we're not even a big area for illegals. Most in this town are CA-born-and-raised.)
A lot of people suck down milk like there's no tomorrow as kids, then lose their taste for it as adults. That was me, all right! Also, I only like it when it's VERY fresh. I grew up with that very morning's milk delivered in glass bottles to your doorstep, and I think back-then they also didn't skim the cream quite as precisely down to 4%, so it was richer. What's now sold as half-and-half tastes more to me like what milk oughta taste like.
Lemon trees grown from seed can actually be VERY cold-hardy. We had some outdoors in Great Falls, Montana (they never bloomed, but they survived!) and a friend told me of one that was a great producer in Bozeman MT (with considerably colder winters than GtF -- down to -65F!!) Orange producers in NorCal have also found that trees from seed (own-root) are much hardier than grafted trees. Why this is I don't know, but remember the rootstock used for grafting is selected for disease resistance and because it defines the size the grafted part grows to, not so much for hardiness.
My potted lime and lemon trees were grafted, and I think they actually winterkilled because of the +118F summer before (which killed my lawn). The previous winter, the silly lime tree bloomed all winter. Next time, I'll do seeds... was impatient at the time so bought trees already to blooming age. *sigh*
Hmm... remembering that the limes were as sweet as wine grapes, I'm wondering if they coulda been made into lime wine? Sounds tasty, eh?:)
I don't do "organic food", and my biochemist neuron goes ROTFL every time I hear the term... show me the food that's inorganic?;)
Belgrade Montana, little farm town, local library in a tiny log cabin... yet I had FREE access to every public library book from Milwaukee to Seattle. GREAT system. In 12 years using it, only ONCE was it unable to find the book I wanted. GREAT system!
Los Angeles County, California -- ILLoan is only within the county system, which I've found sadly limited in the SF/F department (I'd estimate it only has about 10% of what I go looking for). If you want a book from outside the system, you PAY to get it in. (Used to be you paid for within the system too, tho that went away a few years ago.) Sucks, sucks, sucks!
To the contrary. Usenet is full of trolls who only harrass particular individuals. Cruise through the alt.* hierarchy and you'll see plenty. Some have gone on for years and even slopped over into meatspace (I know of at least one where the troll tried to get their target arrested).
Now, should this be illegal?? if it is -- then any post, or worse series of posts that a troll makes on slashdot is ALSO ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT IS AIMED AT THE PREVIOUS POSTER -- which is to say, it targets an individual.
I don't drink milk anymore, just keep it on hand for whatever cooking needs it. So it needs to keep about a month. Since a gallon at Sam's or Costco costs the same as a half-gallon (or less) at the grocery, and keeps a good 2-3 weeks longer, I buy those gallon jugs (and freeze part if I have room in the freezer)... but the downside is that the tail end frequently goes to waste toward the end of its shelf life. If some of it became cheese instead, that would be a Good Use for it. Hence my interest.
Ah, the more acid the more clabbered, yeah. So green limes or really sour lemons or maybe even vinegar would work.
Will have to find a sour lemon seed to plant, I guess. The lemons I can get for free are fairly sweet, and the climate here rots fruit too fast for buying bulk (my shopping philosophy: if you can't buy it at Sam's or Costco, you can't buy it:) I had a lime but it winterkilled (cuz it wasn't own-root; grown from seed are MUCH more hardy), and it made fruit that was so sweet it was gaggy!!
Not only that, but kids have said the same nasty things to each other since time began. What's next, felony prosecution of grade schoolers who bully or tease one another?? how is it different just because it's online rather than one gang yelling at another across the playground?? Does this become yet another Magic Age Of Responsibility, where if a 17 year old says "Go kill yourself, loser" it's just kids being kids, but one day later and an 18th birthday, and the same speech is a felony?? What about the considerable body of music and literature on the subject -- could it be regarded as "conducive" to suicide?
Also, suicidal people don't go for it because of what any one person says, no matter how nasty. It's a long slow process. So who do you really blame here? The parent she lives with every day, who failed to notice anything amiss? kids at school doing normal kid teasing and bullying? the fictional boyfriend? Do you blame the situation or the tipping point? Is the mean-spirited woman-next-door the culprit or the scapegoat?
This could set a precedent where trolling could eventually become illegal as "conducive to poor self-esteem" or whatever is the PC-speak at the time.
Are we really that thin-skinned and fragile as a species?? If we are, or want to be, sooner or later natural selection will have its way with us.
Yes, BUT.... these connection attempts continue for several DAYS after the BT client is shut down (I see 'em in my firewall logs). And there is *no* DOS-like effect from that.
The clogged stack problem only happens WHILE the BT client is running, and stops *immediately* when the BT client is terminated. Never, ever otherwise.
That's exactly what my ISP guy told me (it's a one-man outfit). Rather than waste his time trying to close off particular clients, you can use whatever the hell you like -- so long as you don't *routinely* hog UPLOAD bandwidth. If you do, he just throttles down your uploads til you get the message. He said it's because downloading is essentially free to the ISP, but uploading costs.
He told me about one user that was a little slow... they were filling the uplink 100% 24/7, and that went on for weeks... so he kept throttling 'em down further and further til their uplink was down to barely dialup speed, and they still didn't catch on!! Oh well, says my ISP guy, if that's how they want it....:)
As I say above, I am suspicious of the BT protocol itself. I never allow BT to have more than a few connections, yet I sometimes see "clogged up the network stack" behaviour -- from two unrelated BT clients. Conversely, I often have have *dozens* of other types of connections going, with no problem whatever.
Of course, this doesn't exclude that flakey hardware might be more susceptible to faults caused by certain *types* of connections, but considering that my own hardware has proved otherwise 100% stable over long years of use, and that only BT causes a problem, I'm inclined to blame the BT protocol.
I haven't used Limewire, but I've noticed a problem with two completely unrelated bittorent clients, which caused me to conclude that the problem might be in the BT protocol itself:
When a BT client is running, occasionally the network stack gets screwed up, with the usual effect that I am unable to do anything online at all. Nothing connects.
Unload the BT client, and everything instantly goes back to normal.
Also, BT clients occasionally cause a BSOD by munging up the network driver... on a machine that otherwise NEVER crashes.
Or to the other special interests. Many of the loudest and most influential are not corporations. "Animal rights" groups are a good example of that. Lots of money and a big agenda that no one wants but themselves, and because they make campaign contributions and hire lobbyists, they still have their way with legislators. (Polls run about 80% *against* these special interests, yet they still pass. I rest my case.)
Let me translate this into everydaylifespeak for ya:
"I have no problem at all with hammers being illegal to use to pound on passing cars. When a cop has the power to arrest you for having a hammer on your person, there's something seriously wrong. Even if you wish to trust your police to understand what you're doing with it, he's got one more thing to nail you with if he's corrupt. It's his word against yours. Yes, if he's corrupt he can claim you were pounding on passing cars, but having that extra onus to prove it is exactly what you need to have a society that doesn't encourage corruption."
Where I used to live we had mound-building fire ants in droves. My front yard looked like a beaver convention, with a dozen 2 foot high piles of sticks and junk the fire ants built. I poured a couple tablespoons of diazinon granules atop each mound, and next morning ALL the fire ants were dead. End of problem.
I'd say that if it's to the point where we have to pick our battles, the war is probably already lost.:(
As to practical workarounds if you don't have the time or funds to be a Public Example or Civilly Disobedient, I'd say make your laptop look as innocuous and uninteresting as possible... the most ordinary of Windows (Linux is not sufficiently well-recognised to *always* fail to draw attention), the most ordinary of software, and a generally well-used appearance (keep innocuous data files of various ages present) so it doesn't look like you just cleaned off all your suspicious files. There's *nothing* more suspicious than a total LACK of data.
And keep all your REAL files encrypted and on a secure FTP server, ready to download from wherever you need them. If necessary, keep other OS disk images there as well, and run them in a VM.
That sounds simple enough, and probably very good as a spread, with appropriate herbs or whatever. Do the lemons have to be particularly acid? (Hmm... lemon pepper or better yet lime pepper as the seasoning!)
Raw milk won't keep as long as I need it to, and is WAY too expensive around here, if you can find it (not sure if you can anymore -- but specialty milk runs about 4x the cost of regular milk). But I've heard about adding buttermilk and heating it for a while to make a sort of cottage cheese. Should try experimenting with that and the lemon trick and see what develops. Thanks!
Must stuff is not only made cheaper at home, but usually better too. Commercial jelly is just gaggy after eating even *my* attempts at jelly (which was no more than boiling some plums and sugar together).
I've gotta try making cheese out of leftover milk.. sometimes I buy a gallon and just never seem to use it. I know cottage cheese can be made easily enough, just need to try it. I had some dry-curd cottage cheese from a dairy in South Dakota that as it aged (just from sitting around for a couple months, no special care other than being kept cool), turned into something very similar to Swiss.
Bread, tho, is an exception -- IF you've got a GOOD bakery that makes real yeasty white bread, IMO it's better than what you can make at home... ooooh.... The old Buttrey's and Albertson's chains in Montana had GOOD white bread, with the real yeasty taste and smell (the kind you want to bury your nose in and eat it by the squished handful rather than as a sandwich), and strong enough texture to smear with peanut butter... The closest I've seen in California, believe it or not, are the hoagies from Sam's Club!
Some of those infomercial products are actually pretty good (thanks for the reference; if I see a Ronco oven I'll try to snag it!) Frex, I have an old Popiel Pocket Fisherman that is great for overgrown riverbanks. -- These guys discovered self-marketing and keeping most of the profits LONG before the new DIY music distribution industry!:)
Sad about the rootbeer:( Ameci's Pizza carries a couple brands of old-style rootbeer and cream soda, and ooooh, they are heavenly, and nothing like any of the current namebrand sodas. The nearest I remember otherwise would be the ***OLD*** A&W soda, back when they still delivered a tray to your car.
And that reminds me of Dairy Queen back when they served GOOD ice cream... damn, even fast food has gone to hell!
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I don't know, I'm not a basketball expert (or even fan). But since our guys did beat a J.V. team that was a year older (exhibition game), and our guys were also the State Champs at the JH level, they can't have been too bad! :)
But I do recall one decided advantage the wheelchair guys had: they could UNIFORMLY sink baskets from across the mid-court line. Propelling unpowered chairs solely with their own muscles had turned their arms into Superman appendages.
Also, when they got really moving, they could sometimes outrun our guys, who very rapidly decided it was NOT necessary to be "nice" to the "disabled" team!!
I think the line needs to be drawn at the point where something *replaces* part of the human body, rather than being *added* to it (as with skis, etc.) Also, in the case of those high-tech *additions*, everyone has exactly the same opportunity to use them. Of course, this could change -- frex, let *every* runner use spring-loaded gear! surely the same principle could be fitted to an intact leg and foot.
Otherwise, as someone above mentioned, you lose the whole point of the Olympics: to demonstrate what the =human= body can achieve.
When I was in the 9th grade, a wheelchair basketball team gave a demo at our school, then played a regular game against our team -- who were damned good for junior-high kids, in fact they'd *beaten* a pretty good *high school* junior-varsity team.
Despite which, the wheelchair team thoroughly trounced our able-bodied team.
And how long is it before some otherwise-healthy person has their legs amputated so they too can be a spring-loaded sprinter, because they feel that will give them that final edge they need to make the Olympics?
Don't think it won't happen. Obsessed athletes are among the absolute worst for ignoring long-term consequences in favour of short-term goals.
I think it would be interesting to fit an intact human with essentially the same spring-loaded gear, then evaluate his performance both with and without the gear.
I remember when these spring-loaded leg replacements first came on the scene -- what the runners can do with them is amazing. But it is not the same as the ideal of the athlete and nothing but the athlete.
Here's a parallel: let's postulate that there exist waldo suits for paraplegics, giving them full range of motion. Should they then be allowed to compete as wrestlers? is it fair to the other contestant, who can't get a grip on that hard-plastic suit, and doesn't have the leverage that waldo-driven limbs can generate?
Oh yes, the Los Angeles County library system is an embarrassment, especially considering that it serves something like 10-15 million people (a lot of city libraries are part of the county system). I don't think it's coincidental that CA has very few usedbook stores, whereas everywhere I've been in the midwest, there are lots of 'em. CA is just not a reading state, nor, overall, a well-educated state. (Only about 75% of local residents are highschool graduates, and we're not even a big area for illegals. Most in this town are CA-born-and-raised.)
A lot of people suck down milk like there's no tomorrow as kids, then lose their taste for it as adults. That was me, all right! Also, I only like it when it's VERY fresh. I grew up with that very morning's milk delivered in glass bottles to your doorstep, and I think back-then they also didn't skim the cream quite as precisely down to 4%, so it was richer. What's now sold as half-and-half tastes more to me like what milk oughta taste like.
:)
;)
Lemon trees grown from seed can actually be VERY cold-hardy. We had some outdoors in Great Falls, Montana (they never bloomed, but they survived!) and a friend told me of one that was a great producer in Bozeman MT (with considerably colder winters than GtF -- down to -65F!!) Orange producers in NorCal have also found that trees from seed (own-root) are much hardier than grafted trees. Why this is I don't know, but remember the rootstock used for grafting is selected for disease resistance and because it defines the size the grafted part grows to, not so much for hardiness.
My potted lime and lemon trees were grafted, and I think they actually winterkilled because of the +118F summer before (which killed my lawn). The previous winter, the silly lime tree bloomed all winter. Next time, I'll do seeds... was impatient at the time so bought trees already to blooming age. *sigh*
Hmm... remembering that the limes were as sweet as wine grapes, I'm wondering if they coulda been made into lime wine? Sounds tasty, eh?
I don't do "organic food", and my biochemist neuron goes ROTFL every time I hear the term... show me the food that's inorganic?
Depends where you're at, how good it is.
Belgrade Montana, little farm town, local library in a tiny log cabin... yet I had FREE access to every public library book from Milwaukee to Seattle. GREAT system. In 12 years using it, only ONCE was it unable to find the book I wanted. GREAT system!
Los Angeles County, California -- ILLoan is only within the county system, which I've found sadly limited in the SF/F department (I'd estimate it only has about 10% of what I go looking for). If you want a book from outside the system, you PAY to get it in. (Used to be you paid for within the system too, tho that went away a few years ago.) Sucks, sucks, sucks!
Not only that, but they won't always buy the books I want to read!!
To the contrary. Usenet is full of trolls who only harrass particular individuals. Cruise through the alt.* hierarchy and you'll see plenty. Some have gone on for years and even slopped over into meatspace (I know of at least one where the troll tried to get their target arrested).
Now, should this be illegal?? if it is -- then any post, or worse series of posts that a troll makes on slashdot is ALSO ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT IS AIMED AT THE PREVIOUS POSTER -- which is to say, it targets an individual.
I don't drink milk anymore, just keep it on hand for whatever cooking needs it. So it needs to keep about a month. Since a gallon at Sam's or Costco costs the same as a half-gallon (or less) at the grocery, and keeps a good 2-3 weeks longer, I buy those gallon jugs (and freeze part if I have room in the freezer)... but the downside is that the tail end frequently goes to waste toward the end of its shelf life. If some of it became cheese instead, that would be a Good Use for it. Hence my interest.
:) I had a lime but it winterkilled (cuz it wasn't own-root; grown from seed are MUCH more hardy), and it made fruit that was so sweet it was gaggy!!
Ah, the more acid the more clabbered, yeah. So green limes or really sour lemons or maybe even vinegar would work.
Will have to find a sour lemon seed to plant, I guess. The lemons I can get for free are fairly sweet, and the climate here rots fruit too fast for buying bulk (my shopping philosophy: if you can't buy it at Sam's or Costco, you can't buy it
Not only that, but kids have said the same nasty things to each other since time began. What's next, felony prosecution of grade schoolers who bully or tease one another?? how is it different just because it's online rather than one gang yelling at another across the playground?? Does this become yet another Magic Age Of Responsibility, where if a 17 year old says "Go kill yourself, loser" it's just kids being kids, but one day later and an 18th birthday, and the same speech is a felony?? What about the considerable body of music and literature on the subject -- could it be regarded as "conducive" to suicide?
Also, suicidal people don't go for it because of what any one person says, no matter how nasty. It's a long slow process. So who do you really blame here? The parent she lives with every day, who failed to notice anything amiss? kids at school doing normal kid teasing and bullying? the fictional boyfriend? Do you blame the situation or the tipping point? Is the mean-spirited woman-next-door the culprit or the scapegoat?
This could set a precedent where trolling could eventually become illegal as "conducive to poor self-esteem" or whatever is the PC-speak at the time.
Are we really that thin-skinned and fragile as a species?? If we are, or want to be, sooner or later natural selection will have its way with us.
Yes, BUT.... these connection attempts continue for several DAYS after the BT client is shut down (I see 'em in my firewall logs). And there is *no* DOS-like effect from that.
The clogged stack problem only happens WHILE the BT client is running, and stops *immediately* when the BT client is terminated. Never, ever otherwise.
That's exactly what my ISP guy told me (it's a one-man outfit). Rather than waste his time trying to close off particular clients, you can use whatever the hell you like -- so long as you don't *routinely* hog UPLOAD bandwidth. If you do, he just throttles down your uploads til you get the message. He said it's because downloading is essentially free to the ISP, but uploading costs.
:)
He told me about one user that was a little slow... they were filling the uplink 100% 24/7, and that went on for weeks... so he kept throttling 'em down further and further til their uplink was down to barely dialup speed, and they still didn't catch on!! Oh well, says my ISP guy, if that's how they want it....
Some ISPs (mine included) will throttle you if your *upload* bandwidth is too high. That's probably what was happening to you.
:)
Reason is, downloading is essentially free to the ISP, but uploading costs them money.
My ISP is a very talkative one-man-band, so I've heard all about it.
As I say above, I am suspicious of the BT protocol itself. I never allow BT to have more than a few connections, yet I sometimes see "clogged up the network stack" behaviour -- from two unrelated BT clients. Conversely, I often have have *dozens* of other types of connections going, with no problem whatever.
Of course, this doesn't exclude that flakey hardware might be more susceptible to faults caused by certain *types* of connections, but considering that my own hardware has proved otherwise 100% stable over long years of use, and that only BT causes a problem, I'm inclined to blame the BT protocol.
I haven't used Limewire, but I've noticed a problem with two completely unrelated bittorent clients, which caused me to conclude that the problem might be in the BT protocol itself:
When a BT client is running, occasionally the network stack gets screwed up, with the usual effect that I am unable to do anything online at all. Nothing connects.
Unload the BT client, and everything instantly goes back to normal.
Also, BT clients occasionally cause a BSOD by munging up the network driver... on a machine that otherwise NEVER crashes.
I wouldn't be so quick to point out the Swiss as a sane society... read this and the attendant links:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3818457.ece
Plant rights??!!!
Or to the other special interests. Many of the loudest and most influential are not corporations. "Animal rights" groups are a good example of that. Lots of money and a big agenda that no one wants but themselves, and because they make campaign contributions and hire lobbyists, they still have their way with legislators. (Polls run about 80% *against* these special interests, yet they still pass. I rest my case.)
Let me translate this into everydaylifespeak for ya:
"I have no problem at all with hammers being illegal to use to pound on passing cars. When a cop has the power to arrest you for having a hammer on your person, there's something seriously wrong. Even if you wish to trust your police to understand what you're doing with it, he's got one more thing to nail you with if he's corrupt. It's his word against yours. Yes, if he's corrupt he can claim you were pounding on passing cars, but having that extra onus to prove it is exactly what you need to have a society that doesn't encourage corruption."
Or insert any ordinary tool of your choice.
Where I used to live we had mound-building fire ants in droves. My front yard looked like a beaver convention, with a dozen 2 foot high piles of sticks and junk the fire ants built. I poured a couple tablespoons of diazinon granules atop each mound, and next morning ALL the fire ants were dead. End of problem.
I'd say that if it's to the point where we have to pick our battles, the war is probably already lost. :(
... the most ordinary of Windows (Linux is not sufficiently well-recognised to *always* fail to draw attention), the most ordinary of software, and a generally well-used appearance (keep innocuous data files of various ages present) so it doesn't look like you just cleaned off all your suspicious files. There's *nothing* more suspicious than a total LACK of data.
As to practical workarounds if you don't have the time or funds to be a Public Example or Civilly Disobedient, I'd say make your laptop look as innocuous and uninteresting as possible
And keep all your REAL files encrypted and on a secure FTP server, ready to download from wherever you need them. If necessary, keep other OS disk images there as well, and run them in a VM.
That sounds simple enough, and probably very good as a spread, with appropriate herbs or whatever. Do the lemons have to be particularly acid? (Hmm... lemon pepper or better yet lime pepper as the seasoning!)
Raw milk won't keep as long as I need it to, and is WAY too expensive around here, if you can find it (not sure if you can anymore -- but specialty milk runs about 4x the cost of regular milk). But I've heard about adding buttermilk and heating it for a while to make a sort of cottage cheese. Should try experimenting with that and the lemon trick and see what develops. Thanks!
I've got a bread droid. Does that count? :)
Must stuff is not only made cheaper at home, but usually better too. Commercial jelly is just gaggy after eating even *my* attempts at jelly (which was no more than boiling some plums and sugar together).
I've gotta try making cheese out of leftover milk.. sometimes I buy a gallon and just never seem to use it. I know cottage cheese can be made easily enough, just need to try it. I had some dry-curd cottage cheese from a dairy in South Dakota that as it aged (just from sitting around for a couple months, no special care other than being kept cool), turned into something very similar to Swiss.
Bread, tho, is an exception -- IF you've got a GOOD bakery that makes real yeasty white bread, IMO it's better than what you can make at home... ooooh.... The old Buttrey's and Albertson's chains in Montana had GOOD white bread, with the real yeasty taste and smell (the kind you want to bury your nose in and eat it by the squished handful rather than as a sandwich), and strong enough texture to smear with peanut butter... The closest I've seen in California, believe it or not, are the hoagies from Sam's Club!
Some of those infomercial products are actually pretty good (thanks for the reference; if I see a Ronco oven I'll try to snag it!) Frex, I have an old Popiel Pocket Fisherman that is great for overgrown riverbanks. -- These guys discovered self-marketing and keeping most of the profits LONG before the new DIY music distribution industry! :)
:( Ameci's Pizza carries a couple brands of old-style rootbeer and cream soda, and ooooh, they are heavenly, and nothing like any of the current namebrand sodas. The nearest I remember otherwise would be the ***OLD*** A&W soda, back when they still delivered a tray to your car.
Sad about the rootbeer
And that reminds me of Dairy Queen back when they served GOOD ice cream... damn, even fast food has gone to hell!