And there are questions about age of consent, too -- would asking a kid to get undressed for the camera constitute soliciting for kiddie porn? I can see some overzealous prosecutor getting hard over the potential criminal case there.
Good points -- the only downside is that then the **AA could point and scream "FACILITATING PIRACY!" Since the BT stuff would be largely internal, and on the ISP's own trackers... they couldn't very duck that blame-stream.
Of course, if the **AA cartel would get it through their heads that they're missing a huge revenue stream, where their potential customers pay the *entire* advertising and distribution budget -- hell, ideally they should provide inexpensive direct feeds to the ISPs, who could in turn offer that to their customers as internal BTs -- and offer discounted CDs/DVDs as a bonus (which of course would make more money, since if access FROM the BT'd content TO to an ordering system is properly handled, you'd get shitloads of impulse purchases).
I'd guess that the savings to advertising and distribution budgets would more than make up for any actual losses to piracy (for purists, PLERGB defined as "copyright infringement"), and the **AA cartel would come out with a massive net gain on such a system -- as would the ISPs, from all that uploading they would no longer need to pay for.
A minor downside that I can see developing from such a system would be "Warner Brothers content, *exclusive* to AOL members!" and suchlike. (Come to think of it, didn't AOL/TW try something like that once?) But I think the "we offer everything" systems would rapidly predominate, given a chance, much as the general Internet eventually clobbered the specialty services like Prodigy, despite their exclusive content.
Would certainly be a great way to market ancient and back-catalog stuff that can no longer be found anywhere else.... at absolutely no cost to the content providers other than digitizing it. That would be free money falling from the sky, yet they prefer to maintain the illusion of total control instead. *sigh*
I think you're right -- they've got an established business model, with proven ability to suck a steady revenue stream out of ISPs -- why change that? And it won't change unless some new provider comes along who can make a different model work.
So in addition to the cost differential, they're trying to balance it according to probable demand -- which of course makes good sense. You're right, most people would be seriously pissed if the norm was fast uploads but slow downloads!
My ISP (a one-man band, so the owner is also the entire tech dept.) explained it to me thus:
Download bandwidth is essentially free to the ISP.
However, upload bandwidth costs the ISP serious money, they pay so much per gig, and therefore it is a major operating expense. And that's why they limit uploads, and why your upload cap is usually so much smaller than your download cap.
So it's not the downloaders that are the problem, it's the uploaders. If you're going way over 1:1, sad to say your generosity is contributing to the problem.
Until a byte can be compressed to a bit, I don't see any good solution for P2P.
I'd clean forgot til I read your post, but on Monday (I think it was Monday) all I got was a gigantic Demonoid logo and a "try back later" message. Which could have meant anything, from "server busy" to "oh fuck who's at the door??"
Hmm. Sounds like it's about time the Intelligent Designer invested in a pair of bifocals.
Of course, since the ID can't see to design them...
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Same here. If I can't throw it at my computer or whatever device I like, and have it work without it fucking with my equipment or making me jump thru hoops... I don't want it. Nothing is worth that much trouble.
Too bad this is the very first I'd ever heard of the venture. I think the idea is sound enough, tho the firesale pricing is more like what I'd have hoped for as everyday.
(Too bad this happened when I'm too broke to pick up a bunch of stuff...)
I know what you mean. We've become a culture of marketing at every level. What happens when we've exported all the real jobs, and all that's left is marketing?? We're damn close to that as it is!
It's like no one sees any way to make money anymore except by marketing someone else's stuff. No one actually creates this stuff, they just market it.
And yeah, you've got to sell product to stay in business, but when the only product you're selling is marketing......
"Sure, they got an opt-in of the caller but do they have opt-in from the recipient?!"
I had the same thought, but then it occurred to me that if it's tied to the caller's *microphone*, it simply wouldn't hear the recipient talking at all. Solves that problem.
I was at least somewhat impressed that the guy in TFA does recognise that there *are* privacy concerns with this concept, so he doesn't sound totally evil. But what less ethically-endowed companies might do with it remains to be seen.
As an alternative to the "voluntary wiretap" -- sign up for NN-many commercials about ABC-topics, and in exchange you get NNxX-many free minutes. That way you get interest-targeted ads without any need for your provider to eavesdrop.
Likely how it would work, yeah... all they'd have to do is attach a fine with points, and make it part of the unspoken ticket quota system...
But it'd be real hard to enforce in a rural state where everyone has dusty/muddy cars almost all the time, or in winter when you get snow splatter freezing on the lower half of the car, and can't drive two blocks without getting resplattered.
Another perverse thought: hairspray. Won't obscure it, but reduces contrast dramatically.
That only explains laws against marijuana (tho as I understand it, originally that was big wood-pulp interests killing the hemp market, and absolutely nothing to do with smokable pot). It doesn't explain coke, heroin, meth, etc.
And it also doesn't explain this: If "recreational drugs" were legal, what's to stop the current pharmaceutical, tobacco, and alcohol interests from ADDING rec-drugs to their marketing arsenal?? They could make a shitload of money from it!!
I'm on the national DNC list, and more importantly, I'm on the master DNC list that is used by newspapers, and eventually propagates to nearly all other businesses.
For many years, I got no junk calls at all.
Over the last year, I've started getting calls again, always trying to sell me a new mortgage -- and they hang up if you demand to know the company name. I think what's happened is that the boilerrooms have moved offshore and are therefore themselves immune from prosecution or civil suits; and so long as you don't have a domestic company name, there's not bloody shit you can do about it.
"For every person seeking to push the edge of human achievement, there will be 1000 bureaucrats and lawyers trying to stop it, or at least make the journey fraught with red tape and roadblocks."
You misspelled "looking for ways to suck tax revenue out of it."
Ah, but that IS the Socialist impulse, Komrade... how else would I know you're being a Good Friend of the State, if you're not watched?? Of course, a friend of the state is no friend of mine, because they might turn me in for failing of the Socialist impulse.
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Oh, I see. You meant this one:
"3. a shower of anything: a hail of bullets."
And there are questions about age of consent, too -- would asking a kid to get undressed for the camera constitute soliciting for kiddie porn? I can see some overzealous prosecutor getting hard over the potential criminal case there.
Eat the rich. The poor are tough and stringy.
Good points -- the only downside is that then the **AA could point and scream "FACILITATING PIRACY!" Since the BT stuff would be largely internal, and on the ISP's own trackers... they couldn't very duck that blame-stream.
Of course, if the **AA cartel would get it through their heads that they're missing a huge revenue stream, where their potential customers pay the *entire* advertising and distribution budget -- hell, ideally they should provide inexpensive direct feeds to the ISPs, who could in turn offer that to their customers as internal BTs -- and offer discounted CDs/DVDs as a bonus (which of course would make more money, since if access FROM the BT'd content TO to an ordering system is properly handled, you'd get shitloads of impulse purchases).
I'd guess that the savings to advertising and distribution budgets would more than make up for any actual losses to piracy (for purists, PLERGB defined as "copyright infringement"), and the **AA cartel would come out with a massive net gain on such a system -- as would the ISPs, from all that uploading they would no longer need to pay for.
A minor downside that I can see developing from such a system would be "Warner Brothers content, *exclusive* to AOL members!" and suchlike. (Come to think of it, didn't AOL/TW try something like that once?) But I think the "we offer everything" systems would rapidly predominate, given a chance, much as the general Internet eventually clobbered the specialty services like Prodigy, despite their exclusive content.
Would certainly be a great way to market ancient and back-catalog stuff that can no longer be found anywhere else.... at absolutely no cost to the content providers other than digitizing it. That would be free money falling from the sky, yet they prefer to maintain the illusion of total control instead. *sigh*
I think you're right -- they've got an established business model, with proven ability to suck a steady revenue stream out of ISPs -- why change that? And it won't change unless some new provider comes along who can make a different model work.
Good explanation. My brain hurts. :)
So in addition to the cost differential, they're trying to balance it according to probable demand -- which of course makes good sense. You're right, most people would be seriously pissed if the norm was fast uploads but slow downloads!
My ISP (a one-man band, so the owner is also the entire tech dept.) explained it to me thus:
Download bandwidth is essentially free to the ISP.
However, upload bandwidth costs the ISP serious money, they pay so much per gig, and therefore it is a major operating expense. And that's why they limit uploads, and why your upload cap is usually so much smaller than your download cap.
So it's not the downloaders that are the problem, it's the uploaders. If you're going way over 1:1, sad to say your generosity is contributing to the problem.
Until a byte can be compressed to a bit, I don't see any good solution for P2P.
I'd clean forgot til I read your post, but on Monday (I think it was Monday) all I got was a gigantic Demonoid logo and a "try back later" message. Which could have meant anything, from "server busy" to "oh fuck who's at the door??"
"...and the CRIA is a scapegoat."
Well, at least that means for once the CRIA is doing something useful! Now, where are those tigers??
Hmm. Sounds like it's about time the Intelligent Designer invested in a pair of bifocals.
Of course, since the ID can't see to design them...
Same here. If I can't throw it at my computer or whatever device I like, and have it work without it fucking with my equipment or making me jump thru hoops... I don't want it. Nothing is worth that much trouble.
Too bad this is the very first I'd ever heard of the venture. I think the idea is sound enough, tho the firesale pricing is more like what I'd have hoped for as everyday.
(Too bad this happened when I'm too broke to pick up a bunch of stuff...)
I know what you mean. We've become a culture of marketing at every level. What happens when we've exported all the real jobs, and all that's left is marketing?? We're damn close to that as it is!
It's like no one sees any way to make money anymore except by marketing someone else's stuff. No one actually creates this stuff, they just market it.
And yeah, you've got to sell product to stay in business, but when the only product you're selling is marketing......
"Sure, they got an opt-in of the caller but do they have opt-in from the recipient?!"
I had the same thought, but then it occurred to me that if it's tied to the caller's *microphone*, it simply wouldn't hear the recipient talking at all. Solves that problem.
I was at least somewhat impressed that the guy in TFA does recognise that there *are* privacy concerns with this concept, so he doesn't sound totally evil. But what less ethically-endowed companies might do with it remains to be seen.
As an alternative to the "voluntary wiretap" -- sign up for NN-many commercials about ABC-topics, and in exchange you get NNxX-many free minutes. That way you get interest-targeted ads without any need for your provider to eavesdrop.
Yeah, but your cable service does...
I'm reminded of the two Russians who spoke Latin to get around the Soviet censors.
(Supposedly a true story, BTW.)
Tee hee, oooh, that's just evil, and so decorative too :D
Likely how it would work, yeah... all they'd have to do is attach a fine with points, and make it part of the unspoken ticket quota system...
But it'd be real hard to enforce in a rural state where everyone has dusty/muddy cars almost all the time, or in winter when you get snow splatter freezing on the lower half of the car, and can't drive two blocks without getting resplattered.
Another perverse thought: hairspray. Won't obscure it, but reduces contrast dramatically.
[drives through large mud puddle, neglects to wash truck]
There. All captcha'd.
That only explains laws against marijuana (tho as I understand it, originally that was big wood-pulp interests killing the hemp market, and absolutely nothing to do with smokable pot). It doesn't explain coke, heroin, meth, etc.
And it also doesn't explain this: If "recreational drugs" were legal, what's to stop the current pharmaceutical, tobacco, and alcohol interests from ADDING rec-drugs to their marketing arsenal?? They could make a shitload of money from it!!
I'm on the national DNC list, and more importantly, I'm on the master DNC list that is used by newspapers, and eventually propagates to nearly all other businesses.
For many years, I got no junk calls at all.
Over the last year, I've started getting calls again, always trying to sell me a new mortgage -- and they hang up if you demand to know the company name. I think what's happened is that the boilerrooms have moved offshore and are therefore themselves immune from prosecution or civil suits; and so long as you don't have a domestic company name, there's not bloody shit you can do about it.
"For every person seeking to push the edge of human achievement, there will be 1000 bureaucrats and lawyers trying to stop it, or at least make the journey fraught with red tape and roadblocks."
You misspelled "looking for ways to suck tax revenue out of it."
Because while the Right looks out for its own interests, the Left knows what's BEST for you, Komrade.
Ah, but that IS the Socialist impulse, Komrade... how else would I know you're being a Good Friend of the State, if you're not watched?? Of course, a friend of the state is no friend of mine, because they might turn me in for failing of the Socialist impulse.