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Demonoid Torrent Tracker Shut Down by CRIA
An anonymous reader writes "As of Tuesday, 25th September 2007, Demonoid is currently down, with no prior warnings from any moderators of the site. Both the main torrent page and the forum (fora) are no longer accessible. It is still possible to ping and trace the IP address of the site and it locates itself as in Canada. As of 6:45pm EST on 9-25-07, SSH and SMTP services are no longer active.
Torrentfreak.com has since reported this is due to legal actions from the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) who ordered Demonoid's ISP to shut down the site."
That's right, we just went somewhere else.
CRIA is the new RIAA?
Well, in a "public appearance" sense.
Didn't we just decide that stea^W copyright infringement was legal in Canada since they pay all those taxes on everything that might be used for it?
Maybe it's still illegal to provide, if not infringe...
I dunno, maybe if the article had more words than the summary, I'd have some clue.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands, if not millions of other holes. You will run out of fingers (read funding) long before you ever patch up the holes in the wall that is DRM. We are in an era where the old rules of rights management can not survive. Pandoras Box is open, the cat is out of the bag, you cannot go back without causing more damage, if you can go back at all. Adapt or die.
Karma Whoring for Fun and Profit.
Blame Canada ['s Recording Industry Association]!
I feel a great disturbance in the Force. As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.
I for one welcome our new dyke fingering overlords.
ouch. that hurt just to say.
-- Sig under construction...
last night techwag was reporting the same thing based off the torrent freak article, but a commenter pointed to a discussion out on http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/ which is basically an IRC chat that refutes the CRIA end of the story. The techwag article is here http://techwag.com/index.php/2007/09/25/bad-day-for-bittorrent-demonoid-shut-down/ Yesterday was basically a bad day for Bittorrent, ISOHunt shut down trackers to american users, and demonoid out of service, for what ever reason, either because they were taken down by the ISP or they are having one of their outages that happens randomly, but every time they go down people think they got shut down because they were shut down almost a year ago by BRIEN. There really is no way to tell the truth in the story without getting someone from demonoid to talk about it, and so far, people from demonoid have been very hard to reach. Makes for an interesting story overall though.
This story is useless without details, and nobody has them yet.
TorrentFreak has speculated that they may have been shut down by the CRIA. At present there is absolutely no proof, aside from one article on a dutch blog (which is TF's one and only source).
http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/
For tl;dr types: Torrentfreak made it up, the box is down for unknown reasons. Nobody knows yet. Sorry.
While there are tons of trackers like TPB or Mininova, Demonoid was the best comic book's scans source.
Let's hope they manage to get back online.
The latest speculation I heard on Torrentfreak 5 hours ago was that Demoniod was down due to a hardware failure and not a MAFIAA Hit squad. I haven't seen any statements from CRIA crowing about their victory which you would expect if they were really responsible.
Sounds like the Pirate Bay's legal troubles a while back. Only this time the whiners got their way. There's more than just music on those sites you know. CRIA idiots...
The game.
Some friends and I heard from demonoid's IRC channel chatter that it wasnt a takedown but rather some hdd's that died - have not seen independent confirmation yet to that effect, other than bubblah's reply post above...
the irony makes me laugh, the lack of downloads make me cry, sense the lobotomy i cant really feel anger anymore.....
oh god no!
glad i grabbed the desu while i still had the chance!
> "this is due to legal actions from the CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association) who ordered Demonoid's ISP to shut down the site."
I assume it was a judge who ordered Demonoid's ISP to disconnect Demonoid. If a trade organization like CRIA can order an ISP to disconnect a customer directly, then things are extremely bad in Canada.
But even a judge ordering that seems highly wrong. For example, a judge would not ordinarily order a person's electricity supply to be cut off (unless they're in default of paying their electricity bill of course). Surely here a judge would order Demonoid to immediately drop its site instead, and not order a service supplier to disconnect them upstream. After all, the same Internet feed could be serving many other businesses or private customers perfectly legally.
Something seems wrong with this (or maybe it's just bad reporting). Otherwise, Canada is in dire straights.
"The question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than [] whether submarines can swim" - Dijkstra
what about pay for your bandwith like torrent users do?.
As far as I know there is not any strong evidence that CRIA has done anything yet. The server is down, true, but I heard it's just a hard drive failure. Some demonoid people were complaining about the bad journalism reporting that the CRIA shut down demonoid, without anybody from demonoid saying this. Who is the source on this? Some nu.nl article? How do they know anything? Here is an IRC log where demonoid staff give the torrentfreak admin a hard time for reprinting the nu.nl story about the CRIA without having confirmed it in any way. To be fair, at this point in time, the torrentfreak article uses the word "allegedly." maybe they changed it.
The CRIA couldnt have shut them down here, I work for one of the few ISP's that could have handled their traffic, and the rules here state that if another company (read *IAA) wants to shut someone down/off the proper responce is to ask them for the MAC address, if they provide it then we shut *IAA off for illigaly obtaining information from our network, if they dont we say get it and call us back.... The big ISP's in Canada LOVE torrent sites, Trackers bring in ALOT of cash to the ISP's that shelter them.
-Ours is the wisdom of Solomon, the magic of Merlyn, the fall of Icaris.
Was it the CRIA or RIAA guy who was shagging the Canadian government official woman?
Maybe the igloo melted and all the servers got wet.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
I know... it's "wikipedia" but still...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonoid_(BitTorrent)
That's the word I'm seeing. And according to the article, this is essentially speculation.
"What is Internet Explorer 7? Are you saying we can't access the normal internet?" - I love tech support. Really.
Action like this is highly unlikely, because within our legal system they cannot (rather, should not) take action with the assumption that you are guilty without first having a full judgement.
If there were in fact a judgement, given the speed of our legal system, it would be shut down three years from now.
Oh no, Demonoid is shut down! But we still have TPB, Suprnova, and mininova
Damnation. They had one of the best selections of out-of-print and rare reggae that I knew of. Whatever the reason, I sure hope they get back online. It's real hard to find quality reggae in the middle of the High Plains...
Are we so sure this is true? http://diggdl.googlepages.com/demonoid
Don't jump the gun, I've talked to #demonoid ops and they say nothing has been confirmed. Goto:
irc://irc.p2p-network.net/demonoid
#demonoid
ping traceroute to demonoid.com and it will respond to pings, if I was to diagnose it today, it looks like it is data layer on up, could be a database connectivity issue, but then we speculate. Which is fun.
Fuck you. Mysterious download caps and slow upload speeds are the fault of scumbag ISPs massively over selling their lines. If you're going to bitch, then bitch about the ISPs, and not about people trying to use what they've legitimately paid for.
If you "need" the bandwidth, pay for a small business package from your ISP. They'll tell you exactly what you're getting, and won't be so restrictive on uploading.
More Twoson than Cupertino
You people literally took up almost all the network bandwidth at one point for what is, in actuality, a very inefficient distribution mechanisim.
Find us a more efficient distribution mechanism and we'll use it.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
This is truly why I still read slashdot ...
Someone can post BS and that'll be refuted in the comments.
(anonym because mod-pointed)
hey, do you know bob in vancouver?
I pondered this last night.
For my needs (EQ, email, occasional funny video) a $17 AT&T DSL account would be fine. It's okay because of occasional torrent related surges that I keep my $55 cable line.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
After all...everyone Blames Canada... >:-)
People don't go to demonoid for Britteny Spears. They go for Jazz and Classical recordings that have not been available for purchase in the US for 20 years. They go for medical textbooks. I got a full Principa Mathmatica there for cripe's sake. It's where Americans get 30 year old BBC productions. I'd been wanting to see The Sweeny for years. I'd have paid for it given the chance.
The copyright Nazis don't give a shit about 90% of what's there and 90% of the people using Demonoid don't give a shit about any of the stuff the copyright Nazis give a shit about.
Seriously folks, *obviously* all the people wanting Heroes resulted in a sort of Denial of Service effect!
Actually, if the infringed party feels that the infringing party is unduly harming them, they can ask the judge to issue a temporary injunction from operations. However, in that case, the site can remain operational to explain the situation. Of course, the legality of providing links to files, and not files themselves has yet to be tested in Canadian courts.
It more likely is a hardware failure than anything. When I first tried Demonoid on Monday, the site was returning no data (it was responding to HTTP, however). Tuesday, it was returning connection resets. Blocked for firewalled sites time out, not return no data or connection resets. Heck, if you had torrents running, the torrent tracker server is contactable at the announce URL. If they shut it ALL down, the tracker servers will also be dead, but they're still being scraped normally. (Heck, it appears a few clients with cached torrent files are still connecting...).
It's not like it hasn't happened before - Demonoid has suffered a hardware failure earlier this year (in June, I believe) - took them 3 or 4 days to get the server to the point of "We had a hardware failure". being posted on the main page. Speculation ran that it was a shutdown, as well.
(I didn't know Demonoid was Canadian, honestly... either. That's news to me). As for torrents sapping bandwidth - most good clients have bandwidth throttles you can use to prevent you going over your gig limit. Shaw's "draconian" gig limits (30 for "lite", 60 for "regular", 100 for "regular plus", and 160 for "extreme" or so) aren't that bad, really. And Shaw's are known to be draconian. You can calculate the maximum upload rates if you want to not exceed these, but they're still quite reasonable (I believe 10kB/sec (bytes) will get you at most half way through the 60GB limit a month, roughly, if you uploaded 24/7 continually). If it's a private tracker, well, just keep it running and eventually you'll hit 1:1 ratio. May take a few days compared to the 3 hours to download, but oh well.
Yea, Bob here. What can I do you for? eh?
A dyke is a lesbian.
I was wondering why I got so aroused by his first sentence.
This action is akin to putting a finger in the dyke, but there are thousands, if not millions of other holes.
i always thought the name of digg was funny, in an ironic way. the verb you have to do in order to get anything useful from it.
Someone from the CRIA found where demonoid was hosting their server, got into the server room all ninja stealth style; and then proceeded to violate the server in an unspeakable fashion.
SEE? THE CRIA IS RESPONSIBLE!
I mean, backhoes have been attempting the take down of the internet for quite some time. (Those big one armed bastards!)
My point being, what's the use of discussing this without any further information? We're just speculating until we have it.
Star Pirates
Alright, here's an example of when you should check your sources before posting a news article. I thought this level of stupidity was reserved for Digg.com, but I guess I was mistaken. The site is temporarily offline due to hardware maintenance in their servers. It will probably be back up in a day or two.
Weaksauce as they say...
"Without torrent is there a need for high speed?"
Are you dumb? P2P services like Soulseek and E-Mule are showing no signs of being even remotely effected by all this bullshit, and as long as P2P exists and the popularity of video hosting sites like YouTube and Google Video remains unchallenged, there will be a need for high speed.
This whole article is poorly researched in any case:
http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/
obligatory Blue Rodeo reference is in order:
Don't tell me I'm wrong,
'Cause I've been watching every move that you make.
Oh you got to CRIA, CRIA, CRIA.
Ah don't you know you've got to CRIA,
CRIA, CRIA. Oooh
Oh baby you CRIAAA..
Set your phasers on "funky"!
WE DON'T NEED NO BLOG CONTROL.
That would only be more efficient in the following conditions:
Postage + Disk_Cost
and
average_postal_transit_time
The above conditions would only really be efficient for large amounts of data. Where large amounts of data is relative to your bandwidth and other fellow sharers.
* I omitted the sender's bandwidth on the the extremely far reaching assumption that the file sharer uploads enough back to the network as he downloads.
* This is a gross exaggeration and meant more for humor than real world modeling. That's right, laugh it's meant to be funny and geeky.
Star Pirates
Demonoid shit:
.. Query with (ernesto)/(~info@P2PNET-41E95253.groni1.gr.home.nl) opened on (Tuesday, September 25th 2007, 18:00:54). .. Total queries: (40)/(~0.7 per day) .. Queries today: (1) .. Common channels: (+#demonoid)
Ok folks, here it is. Demonoid is down. It has been for around 1 day 2 hours. The reason is down is unkown. It hasnt been RAIDed, shutdown, terminated, deleted, burned, mamed, or thrown under a bridge. There have been speculation as demonoid.com whereabouts. Well the rurmors are false. A no name site in Netherlands has a blog about Demonoid.com being down. As I don't speak douche, I can not translate. However TorrentFreak Decided upon there own free will to further spread this and rumors. Torrent freak has known to be a sleazy site they post false rumors and hope they turn out true. They do this in order for money and popularity. Quite sad isn't it. To prove this is quite easy:
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] ((
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54]
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] ((
[05:26] *seanap*
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:00.54] (ernesto) hi
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.01] (ernesto) it's ernesto from TF
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.05] (seanap) hello
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.27] (ernesto) brb 1 min
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:01.28] (seanap) are you part of the staff there?
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.01] (ernesto) I'm the staff
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.03] (ernesto) hehe
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.32] (seanap) that article is completely false.
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.39] (ernesto) well, I based my story on a respectable source
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.47] (ernesto) but I doubted it
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:02.55] (ernesto) so what's going on then?
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.05] (seanap) there hasn't been word yet
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.44] (seanap) the 2 IRC ops that are usually in contact with Deimos haven't been around
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:03.45] (ernesto) last time demonoid staff said it were hw problems you relocated to CAN
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.11] (ernesto) they said my story was false then too
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.20] (ernesto) but it turned out not to be
[05:26] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:04.46] (seanap) well i'm saying we as site and IRC staff haven't heard anything.. and we'd be the first people to hear
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.18] (ernesto) perhaps Deimos doesn't know it?
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.21] (ernesto) yet
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.28] (seanap) so i don't think you should be reporting unconfirmed things, the IRC is going insane.. almost double the amount of users in a day
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:05.32] (ernesto) that was exactly how it happened last time
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.04] (ernesto) nu.nl is the biggest news source in NL
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.12] (ernesto) they might have inside info
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.21] (seanap) form who?! we are the inside
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.22] (ernesto) from the isp or the CRIA
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.41] (ernesto) the ISP probably firewalled the servers
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:06.52] (ernesto) after some seriuos legal threats
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.04] (ernesto) it's not unlikely
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.16] (seanap) no its not, but it's not.. confirmed
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.31] (ernesto) as long as you can't explain what's happening this is all I have
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.16] (seanap) no its not, but it's not.. confirmed
[05:27] *seanap* [09/25/07 - 18:07.31] (ernesto) as long as you can't explain what's happening this i
Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d encule de ta mere.
The equations messed up, sorry. Here they are:
Postage + Disk_Cost < ISP_Monthly_Fee/Seconds(current_month) * download_time_in_seconds
and
average_postal_transit_time < download_time_in_days
Star Pirates
Last night I tried to track down some software I wanted to try out and I wanted to see if Demonoid had it. To my surprise the site wouldn come up. I thought it might have been a DNS issue or some site maintenance. Anyways it got me thinking that perhaps I should sign up with them during their start of the month registration process. Looks like that won't be happening. This site has to be a goldmine for the "authorities". Demonoids databases track information their subscribers download history such as whose a more of a leecher than others and RATES THEM on it! I guess it's their way enforcing good behavior. Hopefully this "feature" won't hurt those that did sign up and are now having their data combed through by the resident evil investigator whose only doing her/his job.
Oh Lord! I hope Isohunt doesn't get bitch slapped again with this shit! I love that site despite it being heavily policed by MediaJackoff!
If they had some sort of alternative explanation, they would post it.
CRIA pwned Demonoid.
LOL! How about you stop bootlegging shit while acting like it's a human right to do so?
The site is down for maintenance. Perhaps someone should hit Demonoids IRC before posting fantastical stories of it's demise..
But where would all the hits go then....?
Anything for a headline...even if it's BS.
you live in Toronto? sorry thats not central Canada thats considered the centre of Canada
- My question is: Can Slashdot be Slashdotted? -
I'd clean forgot til I read your post, but on Monday (I think it was Monday) all I got was a gigantic Demonoid logo and a "try back later" message. Which could have meant anything, from "server busy" to "oh fuck who's at the door??"
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
I had problems like that, both monday and yesterday, on other sites as well. EZTV-EFnet site is one of those.
Lets remember several TV series are starting a new season this week. It is also likely these servers just got overloaded and crash&burned.
morcego
My ISP (a one-man band, so the owner is also the entire tech dept.) explained it to me thus:
Download bandwidth is essentially free to the ISP.
However, upload bandwidth costs the ISP serious money, they pay so much per gig, and therefore it is a major operating expense. And that's why they limit uploads, and why your upload cap is usually so much smaller than your download cap.
So it's not the downloaders that are the problem, it's the uploaders. If you're going way over 1:1, sad to say your generosity is contributing to the problem.
Until a byte can be compressed to a bit, I don't see any good solution for P2P.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Trying 209.44.123.21...
Connected to demonoid.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 demonoid.com ESMTP Postfix
^]
Nice attempt at accuracy.
"Ladies and gentlemen, my killbot features Lotus Notes and a machine gun. It is the finest available."
Really, this is a non-news item. Why waste our time with rumors?
If you read what the people behind Demonoid say, they're not sure what is happening right now.
Just because one site on the Internet decides to post non-sense, Slashdot shouldn't chase after it.
I hope the pirate bay reams the RIAA and MPAA if they end up suing them. I wish someone would run for president on an anti-RIAA/anti-MPAA platform because they would have my vote.
C'est dans la belle province, mon ami. Tabernac
actually that is not true, look it up in a dictionary and you'll see that dike and dyke are synonims.
and from another
-- the cake is a lie
From what I've seen, the whole concept of Demonoid being shut down is false. Maybe they're just doing it for publicity. After all, I haven't heard much in the news from Demonoid lately. Everythings been "TPB this! TPB that!". So maybe DN just wants their share of the limelight? -kaedajnor http://www.undergroundunrest.com/blog
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
If you could say Hi to my cousin on the way that would be awesome. He also lives in Canada.
Mod my comments down. It'll be fun.
But once again, this is all just speculation.
The television will not be revolutionized.
The geographic centre of Canada is in Manitoba. Toronto is just the centre of the universe.
This poo is cold.
Typically in a cable modem environment, the upstream ports on a CMTS are bundled together to a single downstream. In this sense, please remember that upstream is what going from the internet to the CMTS, to the cable modem (essentially the download path) and the downstream is your upload going in the opposite direction. In a typical Cisco 7200 CMTS each blade has 5 upstream ports and 1 downstream ports. If I remember correctly, each blade is recommended to serve approximately 1000 modems. Since cable is spaced out over various frequencies on the cable plant, a larger allotment of the frequencies not being used by cable TV are given to the upstream as that is 'typically' what is in higher demand. I know I would be pissed if I was getting 128Kb down and 3Mb up. With newer technologies (ie fiber) this problem should be alleviated.
my 10mb connection transfers large amounts of data just fine. the only thing more efficient than bit torrent is a unthrottled server on a DS / OC line.
Before The Pirate Bay rescues them, puts their trackers where TPB's are, and Demonoid then becomes untouchable.
Just have to wait a lil bit folks.
This guy is NOT Canadian, he'd be riding a moose.
You didn't read the rest? It goes on in the same vein, about millions of lesbian Pandora cats with their boxes wide open. I guess GP had the wrong tab open when she typed that.
Torrent Freak strikes again. I find it hard to believe that anyone with a modicum of intelligence would rely on one of Demonoid's rivals for the "truth" in this matter. Do we not remember the last time Demonoid went down and TorrentFreak had the "truth" about that as well, which later turned out to be bogus information...........
but "sensationalism sells". That's why most of the "news" on tv is about war/shootings/etc.
Did you hear that the Linux kernel is going to be forked?!1! I read it on slashdot.
If it was in Australia us New Zealanders would simply walk over the harbour bridge and say "Oh hi, I upgraded your RAM" or something equally pithy.
The reason Apple made the announcement about bricking iPhones had nothing to do with with people who'd already unlocked their phone & everything to do with scaring away those who were thinking of unlocking their phone.
Classic FUD.
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
Good explanation. My brain hurts. :)
So in addition to the cost differential, they're trying to balance it according to probable demand -- which of course makes good sense. You're right, most people would be seriously pissed if the norm was fast uploads but slow downloads!
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
...and on that note, you have a booger hanging...
Don't tell me to get a life. I'm a gamer; I have LOTS of lives!
Demonoid.com, one of the most popular BitTorrent trackers has allegedly been taken offline by Giant Flying Monkeys from Outer Space (GFMOS). Both the tracker and the website have been unresponsive for nearly 24 hours now.
Update: The GFMOS and Demonoid's ISP refuse to comment to the allegations, they don't confirm or deny anything. In fact the Giant Flying Monkeys from Outer Space refused to answer any and all attempts at communication, obviously gleefull over their disruption of bittorrents on earth...
Perhaps the Demonoid admins should have slept with the CRIAA or the ISP, that seems to be how thngs are done in Canada, eh?
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. Emo Philips
Speculating... they want to charge for the bits going in one direction or the other. Before p2p, the ones with deep pockets were the providers, the ones serving data. So even though when a bit goes on the internet it must both be sent and received, (so the net amount of upstream is close to the same as downstream) they choose to charge the ISPs pushing the data (that have the money) not the ones pulling it (that want free content)
Although the circumstances may have changed, they really have no reason to change the business model now.
I work for the Department of Redundancy Department.
ISPs cause a lot of their own problems. Mostly because they don't develop resources for local users to create and share content amongst themselves. If they'd offer file sharing, forums, etc between their own users they could minimize such traffic. Some BT clients will attempt to optimize bandwidth by trying to opt for users that are on the same ISP or LAN. If ISPs would work with popular BT clients and trackers they could probably cut their bandwidth needs a lot. If they offered their own trackers, available only to their users, they could eliminate most casual BT users' bandwidth (most casual users I think stick to newly released content - speciality users go to places like Demonoid for harder to find stuff).
If ISPs had more content providers rather than just content consumers they could probably get better terms on their bandwidth. Nobody really wants to support a bunch of leeches they aren't getting much money to deal with but everybody wants to offer access to good content. Of course, in the end, protocols like BitTorrent are here to stay and they're in demand for uses ranging from legal to illegal. If networks have to be redesigned to deal with it then it'll have to be done. BT is the way the Internet is supposed to work. It's supposed to be decentralized with everyone being both a consumer and provider.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I'm sick of this crrp. Can we hit back? Do demonoid have a fighting fund?
and it is highly unlikely that the ISPs will ever become more generous in what they give the consumer.
Are you suggesting that Internet access speeds will become slower over the next ten to twenty years? FIOS is being installed in my city as we speak. I'm pretty sure that my ISP is going to become more generous to me next year. A little more money, a lot more bandwidth.
I'm more into lipstick lesbians. The butch thing doesn't really work for me.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
I think you're right -- they've got an established business model, with proven ability to suck a steady revenue stream out of ISPs -- why change that? And it won't change unless some new provider comes along who can make a different model work.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Good points -- the only downside is that then the **AA could point and scream "FACILITATING PIRACY!" Since the BT stuff would be largely internal, and on the ISP's own trackers... they couldn't very duck that blame-stream.
Of course, if the **AA cartel would get it through their heads that they're missing a huge revenue stream, where their potential customers pay the *entire* advertising and distribution budget -- hell, ideally they should provide inexpensive direct feeds to the ISPs, who could in turn offer that to their customers as internal BTs -- and offer discounted CDs/DVDs as a bonus (which of course would make more money, since if access FROM the BT'd content TO to an ordering system is properly handled, you'd get shitloads of impulse purchases).
I'd guess that the savings to advertising and distribution budgets would more than make up for any actual losses to piracy (for purists, PLERGB defined as "copyright infringement"), and the **AA cartel would come out with a massive net gain on such a system -- as would the ISPs, from all that uploading they would no longer need to pay for.
A minor downside that I can see developing from such a system would be "Warner Brothers content, *exclusive* to AOL members!" and suchlike. (Come to think of it, didn't AOL/TW try something like that once?) But I think the "we offer everything" systems would rapidly predominate, given a chance, much as the general Internet eventually clobbered the specialty services like Prodigy, despite their exclusive content.
Would certainly be a great way to market ancient and back-catalog stuff that can no longer be found anywhere else.... at absolutely no cost to the content providers other than digitizing it. That would be free money falling from the sky, yet they prefer to maintain the illusion of total control instead. *sigh*
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
Its sole intent is to cast doubt (and uncertainty! They're different, you know!) on a claim the utilizer doesn't happen to like or agree with.
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You're driving your car, but they're riding their bikes there.
Are you the one who formed the corporate policy regarding the release of the information about the bricked iPhones? No? Then your comment is uninformed, biased, and purely speculative. Classic FUD.
And homonyms! ;)
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why wouldn't they move to sweden and join piratebay in their fuck-the-cops utopia
If the **AA would just stop whining because the world's changed they could make a bundle off the changes. They could provide authorized content to ISPs for redistribution and ISPs could offer upsell opportunities for the content owners. When someone downloads your song don't try to stop them - instead offer the CD, posters, concert tickets, etc. Offer faster downloads for paying subscribers - not throttling normal connections but offering highspeed boosts exclusive to paying customers. There would be many chances to make money off downloaders. How much could they save in advertising? The system would work best without exclusive content deals - exclusive deals would immediately cause people to download from third party trackers again. So long as the authorized versions were of better quality and free there'd be no reason for third party competition.
At what price learning? At what cost wisdom? The price is a man's peace of mind, and the cost is his life.
When I said "Back before the internet became popular," I mean specifically broadband Internet access, and I mean 'popular for sharing media, particularly music.'
Really what I'm talking about was that span of (depending where you lived, it was longer if you were out in the sticks than in an urban area) about 3-5 years or so where a lot of people had CD writers but only a select few people had broadband internet access and the knowledge of how to use it to get music.
That period was (IMO) the peak of physical-media music swapping. Once Napster got popular, the number of people I knew who were swapping around burned CDs dropped dramatically. Although interestingly, I've seen it start to increase in popularity again recently; I think there's a perception particularly among non-technical people that P2P is dangerous and difficult to use, but passing a DVD of MP3s around the office isn't.
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For many years, Demonoid has been the torrent leecher's first port of call. It's a shame to see it in a vicious legal battle, because it's one of many torrent portals who may soon meet their demise. The outcome of this venture shall be an interesting one. -Andrew
The day Demonoid went down, I was browsing the site for Beavis and Butthead collections. About three pages into the search, I was redirected to their default "We are currently performing maintenance, please try again in a few minutes" page. For the remainder of the day, up until the site went 404, I was still being redirected to the maintenance page.
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
Someone clearly doesn't understand the meaning of Flamebait.
/sigh
Who could possibly be baited? It doesn't flame, it doesn't bait, and there is no possible return flame that it could be baiting for, since it doesn't say anything that someone might not like.
Minutes ago I noticed that some demonoid torrents were again showing numbers for peers and leechers in my BT client and that starting those torrents was successful.
I did not check the tracker IP to see if they may have relocated.
ernesto please go play in traffic.
this is what I get when I visit http://www.demonoid.com/
We received a letter from a lawyer represeting the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and We need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this. If you reside in Canada, that is the reason you are being redirected to this message. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience.
Always jumping to conclusions:
The latest changes to the site are giving us some problems - We'll be back soon
ya i made this account just to post that it states on the demonoid site that it was shut down because of a lawsuit:
"We received a letter from a lawyer represeting the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and We need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this. If you reside in Canada, that is the reason you are being redirected to this message. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience."
and ya i'm a canadian resident