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Homeland Security's Tech Wonders

Lucas123 writes "The multi-billion dollar budget of the Department of Homeland Security has spawned a myriad of new, whiz-bang technology that includes things like keychain-size, remote-controlled aerial vehicles designed to collect and transmit data for military and homeland security uses. It also includes infrared cameras that capture license plate images to match them in milliseconds to police records. "Seventy percent of all criminal activity can be tied to a vehicle," says Mark Windover, president of Remington ELSAG Law Enforcement Systems, which is marketing its product to 250 U.S. police agencies."

138 comments

  1. Thank God we have this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now we will see crime drop just like it did in the UK when they installed their cameras!

    1. Re:Thank God we have this technology by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 1

      Upgrading the cameras with microphones and sound dropped crime even further. When is Apple releasing the teleview screens? http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/04/27.13.shtml

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    2. Re:Thank God we have this technology by im+just+cannonfodder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are joking aren't you, security cameras have this week been proved ineffective in solving and preventing crime!

      http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=10804

      i know in my home town that police men on the beat has been completely stopped since the introduction of the blanket cctv coverage in my town but on Friday and Saturday nights shop windows in our high street get smashed and parked cars vandalised, and the drunken fights are now not stopped as no police attend, so who exactly is watching and when the police are approached to obtain footage to find the criminals ppl are always told the camera was facing the wrong way!
      they're an excuse for cutbacks in the police force that fail to work and are abused when the are.

      the only day i have seen cameras on our sea front move is when there was a rescue day (coast guard ect) and the cameras were pointing out to fecking sea, not watching the crowd!

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7000000/newsid_7007400?redirect=7007418.stm&news=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1

    3. Re:Thank God we have this technology by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      "You are joking aren't you"

      Yes. He was.

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    4. Re:Thank God we have this technology by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      OT: War with Iran has begun.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4nqrNbjfhw

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    5. Re:Thank God we have this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      FTA: Seventy percent of all criminal activity can be tied to a vehicle.

      And nearly 100% can be tied back to that most common gateway drug -- mother's milk. Please bring your tits by the local police station for DNA typing and tattooing.

    6. Re:Thank God we have this technology by Maelwryth · · Score: 1

      "Homeland Security's Tech Wonders"

      Not if they only have one Tech. At first glimpse, I wondered what exactly the Tech was wondering. Now, I wonder if the title wouldn't have been better as H.S.T.W..

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    7. Re:Thank God we have this technology by symes · · Score: 1

      You are joking aren't you, security cameras have this week been proved ineffective in solving and preventing crime! With the greatest of respect, this study 1. does not "proove" anything - if you wanted to test the relationship between crimw clear-up rate and cctv then this is not the way you would do it, 2. studies in the beavhoural sciences typical 'falsify' 3. that study did not say anything about prevention. There's reference to a study completed in 2005 but this has been the topic of some contention in the world of criminology - some studies show one thing, another something completely different.

      CCTV in the UK is primarily, and still is, for traffic monitoring. Very few CCTV feeds plug into police operations, they go via local government first. And even fewer police forces in the UK have control over the cameras.

      As is typical in the UK, no one can be bothered to conduct the studies we clearly need. Money is spent on half-arsed speculation by people who don't even know what a t-test is.

    8. Re:Thank God we have this technology by mpe · · Score: 1

      Now we will see crime drop just like it did in the UK when they installed their cameras!

      Some of these things may actually cause a rise in crime. Since they are at least as useful to criminals as they are to law enforcement.

    9. Re:Thank God we have this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The interview was with a retired colonel who is basing his opinion on rumor and speculation. Let me know when there is some real evidence.

    10. Re:Thank God we have this technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidence, you mean like FoxNews?

    11. Re:Thank God we have this technology by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Money spent is what this is all about. Just more money to be spent upon a department that seems to be nothing but a fiscal vacuum that produces no results. The only real definitive action of the Department of Homeland Security is the demonstration of how 'NOT' to privatise and run a major disaster situation, 'Browny, you're doing a heck of a job'.

      So all it seems to be doing is to find new and inventive ways of feeding the US public's tax dollars into the bloated profits of politically favoured corporations. Apart from of course it's efforts in ensuring those people who do not publicly favour the current US administration are subject to invasive and humiliating travel restrictions.

      So the focus should be on a more highly skilled, trained and professional, police force, rather than pointless money sucking gadgets and poorly paid low IQ thugs in uniform.

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  2. not wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Seventy percent of all criminal activity can be tied to a vehicle,"

    The occupant of Air force one ?

    1. Re:not wrong by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      The occupant of Air force one ?

      Well, and now we know why he believes he's above the law.

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    2. Re:not wrong by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      The occupant of Air force one ?

      Well, and now we know why he believes he's above the law. I'm thinking it's more like Judge Dredd:

      "I am the decider, I mean the...um...can't get fooled again."
    3. Re:not wrong by djasbestos · · Score: 1

      Nobody in this country seems to realize that the "decider" is supposed to be the legislature and the president is the "doer" of the will of the legislature (they call it the "executive branch" for a reason...). "Things would be a lot easier if this was a dictatorship," he said...

      So if being an executor = "decider", then I really hope someone rich names me as the executor of their will:

      "To my son, Bob," ...*erasure onomatopoeia*...*scribble scribble*... "To djasbestos, I leave my entire estate."

      That'll do nicely.

  3. We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by mosel-saar-ruwer · · Score: 3, Funny


    It also includes infrared cameras that capture license plate images to match them in milliseconds to police records.

    The CAPTCHA's are getting so damned difficult to decipher that I can hardly even sign up for anonymous email accounts or download pr0n anymore.

    1. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by Reziac · · Score: 2, Funny

      [drives through large mud puddle, neglects to wash truck]

      There. All captcha'd.

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    2. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      No problem. Make it illegal to have dirty license plates - as soon as the system detects a license plate it can't read, an officer is dispatched to stop the vehicle.

    3. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by c_forq · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure this is the case in every state. If it is too dirty to read it falls under obstruction (same charge as if you covered it, painted it, or hid it).

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    4. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

      Yet there's still hordes of people who drive around with those smoked plastic covers over their license plates.

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    5. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Likely how it would work, yeah... all they'd have to do is attach a fine with points, and make it part of the unspoken ticket quota system...

      But it'd be real hard to enforce in a rural state where everyone has dusty/muddy cars almost all the time, or in winter when you get snow splatter freezing on the lower half of the car, and can't drive two blocks without getting resplattered.

      Another perverse thought: hairspray. Won't obscure it, but reduces contrast dramatically.

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    6. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      If they're gonna captcha something, how about if they make it Osama Bin Laden. I'm not sure how much terrorism is going to be stopped by them being able to read my license plate number and match it to some database somewhere. They might find out I owe some parking tickets, though.

      But then, I doubt if any of this is about terrorism at all. I'm a lot more scared by a corporate-owned government using high technology to watch and control our behavior than I am of fundamentalist Muslims blowing me up. And I live several blocks from one of the US's biggest targets.

      Heckuva job.

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    7. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by Technician · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even simpler. Make a long bumper sticker that runs the entire length of the bumper right up to both sides of the plate. Fill it with random text and numbers the same size as the text using a carbon base ink on the sticker. Cover it with black window tint film. You now have a nice black bumper. The auto IR camera sees an extreme plate as it makes the window film transparant.

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    8. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Tee hee, oooh, that's just evil, and so decorative too :D

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    9. Re:We need "CAPTCHA" license plates. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      So, is there some sort of plastic that blocks infrared but transmits visible light available?

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  4. bureaucratic incompetance is the greatest threat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is stuff like correlating license plates to crime, or flying small recon drones around, helping catch terrorists? According to the Director of National Intelligence, Michael McConnell, the best thing Washington could have done to prevent the terrorist attacks in new york was to have listened to FBI agents when they repeatedly warned that Zacarias Moussaoui was acting suspiciously, and repeatedly requested search warrants (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=3621517&page=1 .) Homeland security should be doing research about how to prevent bureaucratic incompetance.

  5. Data is not the same as intelligence by Nomen+Publicus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But where does one direct all this "wonderful" technology? There is a myth that seems to infest these new fangled security organisations, that if only they can gather sufficient data they will be able to identify and prevent bad things happening. They cannot, but are willing to spend huge amounts of money in the attempt.

  6. 70% bad vehicles by drseuk · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Seventy percent of all criminal activity can be tied to a vehicle," As vee say in the Netherlands, "Where's my bike?"
    1. Re:70% bad vehicles by elwinc · · Score: 1
      This is indeed a useful statistic:

      "Seventy percent of all criminal activity can be tied to a vehicle," says Mark Windover, president of Remington ELSAG Law Enforcement Systems, which is marketing its product to 250 U.S. police agencies.


      Funny, Remington ELSAG didn't offer statistics on what percent of crimes can be tied to a gun...
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    2. Re:70% bad vehicles by superskippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's America. 70% of all American life can be tied to a vehicle. It's practically illegal to go anywhere without driving....

    3. Re:70% bad vehicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nigga stole...

    4. Re:70% bad vehicles by n6kuy · · Score: 1

      Or even how many crimes can be tied to a criminal!

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    5. Re:70% bad vehicles by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      You're not kidding - I was once stopped by the police as I attempted to 'walk' out of a city centre - it turned out to virtauly impossible do it legally and on foot....the cops calmed down when I explained that, as a European, I was used to walking short distances in town.

      Their advice? Call a cab...

    6. Re:70% bad vehicles by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      Stolen, of course :-)

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  7. Re: "a myriad" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  8. o rly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to marriam-webster, the noun is actually the older form of the word. See the usage note at http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/myriad

  9. Why use humans when you've technology by mister_woods · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It looks like the same track is being followed as in the United Kingdom, where we host the world's largest collection of CCTV cameras, not to mention cameras to catch speeding motorists, read registration plates, etc. Whilst it may give a nice warm glow of reassurance to those who believe the propaganda, does all this gadgetry do anything to reduce the amount of crime as opposed to the fear thereof? Not really: CCTV cameras, for example, have blind spots in their coverage. Technology is being used as a fig-leaf to cover the fact that the powers that be cannot or will not use the presence of humans patrolling in uniforms as a means of catching or deterring ne'er do wells. Technological fixes seem to be preferred too since they do not require wages, meal breaks, holidays or other such luxuries which drain the public purse.

    1. Re:Why use humans when you've technology by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, how would you feel about a mobile police AI that could do all of that without the wages, meal breaks or holidays? They had one in a movie once. It was called "ED-209". Didn't work very well as I recall.

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    2. Re:Why use humans when you've technology by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Technology is being used as a fig-leaf to cover the fact that the powers that be cannot or will not use the presence of humans patrolling in uniforms as a means of catching or deterring ne'er do wells.

      I believe Anthony Burgess pointed this out well in Clockwork Orange. You can use technology to make a man into an upright citizen, but it does not make him an upright citizen. It more or less destroys the nature of man.

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    3. Re:Why use humans when you've technology by ztransform · · Score: 1

      The other problem with CCTV is that it has spawned a new, youthful, generation who almost permanently wear hooded jackets and tops when outside (also known as "hoodies"). Children instinctively know they can avoid repercussions and intimidating behaviour as they hide their faces.

      Combine that with Police so weighed down by red tape and documentation that crime actually increases, not decreases.

      At the end of the day criminals are like bacteria, they adapt. When penicillin was first introduced it had a powerful effect on bacterial infections, but bacteria has adapted, just as criminals adapt.

    4. Re:Why use humans when you've technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technology has advocates! The companies which want to sell it to
      the government have very good publicists and lobbyists. Given the
      decline of unions in the US, there is little advocacy left for
      people.

    5. Re:Why use humans when you've technology by dragonturtle69 · · Score: 1

      The problem is using technology to replace people instead of augmenting their skills and accepting the inferior results since they have a lower cost.

      The PHB's of the world know that video surveillance is not as effective as a person who is interested in their work and has proper training. Surveillance gives "nearly" (80%ish) the same results for far less cost and risk than a person.They just plain do not understand that technology is best used when helping people in a task, not removing the person from the task.

      Consider the simple act of connecting two boards together. Plant fibers could be used and would work. Now give the person a hammer and nails, or screwdriver and screws, and a more permanent and higher quality joint is achieved.

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    6. Re:Why use humans when you've technology by Ragein · · Score: 1

      We all know what happens when we replace cameras with people we get useless puppets like these PCSO'S http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/22/ndrown122.xml/

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  10. Re: "a myriad" eh? by foobsr · · Score: 4, Informative

    "usage: Recent criticism of the use of myriad as a noun, both in the plural form myriads and in the phrase a myriad of, seems to reflect a mistaken belief that the word was originally and is still properly only an adjective. As the entries here show, however, the noun is in fact the older form, dating to the 16th century. The noun myriad has appeared in the works of such writers as Milton (plural myriads) and Thoreau (a myriad of), and it continues to occur frequently in reputable English. There is no reason to avoid it."

    http://m-w.com/dictionary/myriad (Definition of myriad from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary)

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  11. Re: "a myriad" eh? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    I say we go with "plethora" or "vast cornucopia" instead.

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  12. hmmmm by phoenixwade · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems to me that it isn't the huge budget of the department of homeland security that's pushing these innovations, it's DARPA, the same group that has been pushing everything from AI (with cool desert races) to the internet.....

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    1. Re:hmmmm by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe, but that's what we pay DARPA to do, when you get right down to it.

      People come up with nifty toys all the time. It's part of living in a high-tech society. The problem comes in when law-enforcement substitutes ineffective technological measures for quality police work.

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    2. Re:hmmmm by foobsr · · Score: 1

      with cool desert races

      Meanwhile, they have moved to an urban environment, probably in order to in the future avoid getting in black...err...hot water.

      CC.

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  13. Re:bureaucratic incompetance is the greatest threa by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Probably that means they should be spying upon themselves more. That way, if an agent figures out something useful maybe someone in another agency will learn about it and be able to make use of it. At least they won't need to worry about lack of inter-agency cooperation and all that.

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  14. Re:bureaucratic incompetance is the greatest threa by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Homeland security should be doing research about how to prevent bureaucratic incompetance.

    I like this sentence. It sends me into a trance every time I read it. I think it is because I imagine the DHS trying to perform this research and ironically getting nowhere. Then they try to research why their previous research got nowhere. When that gets nowhere they decide to research why the research of why their previous research got nowhere got nowhere and so on.

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  15. Re: "a myriad" eh? by s4m7 · · Score: 1
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  16. Re: "a myriad" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're wrong: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/myriad

    From the Mirriam-Webster dictionary: Recent criticism of the use of myriad as a noun, both in the plural form myriads and in the phrase a myriad of, seems to reflect a mistaken belief that the word was originally and is still properly only an adjective. As the entries here show, however, the noun is in fact the older form, dating to the 16th century. The noun myriad has appeared in the works of such writers as Milton (plural myriads) and Thoreau (a myriad of), and it continues to occur frequently in reputable English. There is no reason to avoid it.

  17. Revolution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Revolution.

  18. More than you understand. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pop quiz, in the USofA are there:
    #1. More terrorists?

    #2. More crooked cops?

    Now, which of these is this new surveillance technology supposed to protect you from and which ones will have it?

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/conductunbecoming/

    1. Re:More than you understand. by nuintari · · Score: 1

      Pop quiz, in the USofA are there:
      #1. More terrorists?

      #2. More crooked cops? #3. More people in a position of power who think they are above some laws because they know best.
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    2. Re:More than you understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      #3. More people in a position of power who think they are above some laws because they know best.

      OK, enough of the snide innuendo. If you want to talk about our commander-in-thief, his full name is George Walker Bush. Use it that way.

    3. Re:More than you understand. by JasonTik · · Score: 1

      But! But! Think of the children!

    4. Re:More than you understand. by Unipuma · · Score: 1

      Ah, but you seem to forget that in the eyes of the current administration, every consumer^H^H^H^H^H^H civilian is a potential terrorist, as soon as s/he starts asking difficult questions about said administration.

    5. Re:More than you understand. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pop quiz, in the USofA are there:
      #1. More terrorists?
      #2. More crooked cops? Why you little-- *tasers khasim repeatedly*
    6. Re:More than you understand. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Pop quiz, in the USofA are there:
      #1. More terrorists?
      #2. More crooked cops?
      Now, which of these is this new surveillance technology supposed to protect you from and which ones will have it?

      False dichotomy.
      #1. More crooked cops?
      #2. More good cops?

      Can this surveillance tech provide more of an advantage to the crooked cops to do bad things, or to the good cops to catch the crooked cops doing bad things?
  19. Ban Vehicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instant 70% crime drop!

  20. Re: "a myriad" eh? by bgt421 · · Score: 1
    From http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=myriadMerriam-Webster:

    Recent criticism of the use of myriad as a noun, both in the plural form myriads and in the phrase a myriad of, seems to reflect a mistaken belief that the word was originally and is still properly only an adjective. As the entries here show, however, the noun is in fact the older form, dating to the 16th century. The noun myriad has appeared in the works of such writers as Milton (plural myriads) and Thoreau (a myriad of), and it continues to occur frequently in reputable English. There is no reason to avoid it.
    So, grammatically speaking the DHS can spawn a myriad of anything it wants too.
  21. Look up "incest". by khasim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is a myth that seems to infest these new fangled security organisations, that if only they can gather sufficient data they will be able to identify and prevent bad things happening. They cannot, but are willing to spend huge amounts of money in the attempt.

    The companies making the products often hire politicians who voted to purchase those products to fight [crime|terrorism|kiddie_porn].

    It's all an incestuous cycle.
  22. homeland security by daniel.waterfield · · Score: 0, Troll

    Invading your privacy since 2001!

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  23. Minority Report by Meneth · · Score: 1
    From TFA:

    "We can read fingerprints from about five meters .... all 10 prints," said Bruce Walker, vice president of homeland security at Northrop Grumman Corp. "We can also do an iris scan at the same distance." Might be inflated, but still!
    1. Re:Minority Report by dragonturtle69 · · Score: 1

      That is the most worrisome part of the article. As we are today, unless people know you there is some anonymity when you are in a public place. If Walker's claim is true the only way not to be identified would be with polarized lenses and gloves. This alone would flag you though, sort of like encrypting files may do today.

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  24. Re: "a myriad" eh? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    It IS a noun. It is also an adjective. Please check your facts before trying to correct others.

    myriad /mrid/ [mir-ee-uhd]

    -noun
    1. a very great or indefinitely great number of persons or things.
    2. ten thousand.
    -adjective
    3. of an indefinitely great number; innumerable: the myriad stars of a summer night.
    4. having innumerable phases, aspects, variations, etc.: the myriad mind of Shakespeare.
    5. ten thousand.
    Origin: 1545-55; Gk myriad- (s. of myriás) ten thousand; see -ad1

    Also interesting:

    Usage Note: Throughout most of its history in English myriad was used as a noun, as in a myriad of men. In the 19th century it began to be used in poetry as an adjective, as in myriad men. Both usages in English are acceptable, as in Samuel Taylor Coleridge's "Myriad myriads of lives." This poetic, adjectival use became so well entrenched generally that many people came to consider it as the only correct use. In fact, both uses in English are parallel with those of the original ancient Greek. The Greek word mrias, from which myriad derives, could be used as either a noun or an adjective, but the noun mrias was used in general prose and in mathematics while the adjective mrias was used only in poetry.

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  25. 007 by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 0, Redundant


    And yet, in spite of all of this "whiz-bang" 007 technology, I feel no safer. I wish that they had taken that multi-billion dollar budget and done something useful, productive, and boring with it.

    It makes me wonder whose interests they're serving.

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    1. Re:007 by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Well, if current trends in surveillance and invasive micro-management of society continue, at some point an enemy state wouldn't need to go to war to take us over. They'd just replace a few key button pushers and we'd be pwned.

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  26. For all the bitching about all of this... by davinc · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How many of us have told a friend to vote for Ron Paul today? This shit doesn't fix itself.

  27. Plate Capture technology by kilodelta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do you want to know what it is being used for? I'll tell you, revenue generation. The city of Providnce, RI recently changes the rules regarding parking tickets. It used to be that if you had five or more you might find your car booted. Now it's two tickets and it's not the police doing the booting, but a private company.

    I've seen the vehicle, it's a mini-van with cameras mounted at the top of both A pillars and pointing outward and a little above curb level. When they spot a vehicle the put on a boot with a keypad. To get the boot off you have to call the 800 number, pay on average $350 then remove the boot and return it to the police department.

    The other little thing that went into effect were tons of new parking meters. The one thing right about that is the kiosk system, no individual meters. It prints a ticket that you place in your car. And it takes credit cards. The kiosk is also run via solar power and uses a MESH network connection.

    So not all those technologies are used to spy per se, but as revenue generation tools.

    1. Re:Plate Capture technology by Holi · · Score: 1

      all that and yet still no overnight parking. So glad I have a driveway.

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    2. Re:Plate Capture technology by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      To get the boot off you have to call the 800 number, pay on average $350 then remove the boot and return it to the police department.

      Might be cheaper to cut off the boot with an oxy-acet, and just eat the cost of one new wheel. "What boot?"

    3. Re:Plate Capture technology by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Well they look to be easily hackable. The codes are only 4 digits. But there's a big sticker that says it's very naughty to either hack it or cut it off. Still, I'd cut it off then just ship it back to the PD collect.

    4. Re:Plate Capture technology by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      You have parking tickets. In other words, you've violated city code. So what's wrong with them taking some of your hard earned cash because you are a repeat offender of the code?

      Most folks agree that many laws are present for apparent 'cash' value. (speeding, parking, red-light cameras, etc) But what needs to be realized is that there is no trickery done by the laws or officers who are pledged to enforce them, just to get your money. I mean, technically if you don't want them to take your money, don't illegally park, speed, or run a red light. It's that simple.

      And the argument of 'but everyone does it' really doesn't work. That just means that the law enforcement folks can have their pick of the bunch, which gives the appearance of selective enforcement.

      If you don't like the current set of traffic laws, do something about it. Contact your local, state, or federal elected official(s), and let them know you don't like certain laws or codes. You can also pay to challenge it in court. Or start a grass roots protests concerning these laws you disagree with and force the elected public officials to change them. Or run for office yourself with that as your platform.

      Just remember, they only get your hard earned cash if you break those laws. If you follow them, you'll have nothing to worry or complain about.

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      There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
    5. Re:Plate Capture technology by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1


      Just remember, they only get your hard earned cash if you break those laws. If you follow them, you'll have nothing to worry or complain about.


      You must have been born yesterday, or that was a very poor attempt at sarcasm.

      I've had it happen numerous times. The most 'amusing' was when my car was parked directly under a sign that said "No Parking 2am-6am" The ticket was written at 1pm. So, what do I do, on the ticket, there was no method to fight it presented. The police suggested I let the ticket go to a warrant. Basically, they were inviting me to have my car towed.

      I had to take 2 days off work to get the chief of police to wipe the ticket. While I'm salary, any wage earner would have lost a significant portion of their income.

      My options:

      1. Pay the fine (They get my money AND I didn't break any laws).
      2. Take off work and fight to get them to kill the ticket. (I lose 2 days of wages, so I lose)
      3. Ignore the ticket, they boot my car and then I have to repeat the process.

      Then there was the time when they towed my vehicle from in front of my house and had the gall to claim in court that the homeowner (me) reported that the vehicle had been abandoned. The judge agreed with me that I did not report my own vehicle as abandoned. Unfortunately, that only got rid of the fine. (and another lost day at work) I was out $200 for the towing, and another $150 for storage. Why was it in storage? Because I called the police to report that the car was stolen and they had no clue where it went. It took them 3 days to realize that they had it towed.

      So about them only taking your hard earned cash if you broke a law? You are absolutely, dead wrong.

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    6. Re:Plate Capture technology by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      Well it sounds as though you have a crappy situation there in your city/town. I can understand your frustration.

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    7. Re:Plate Capture technology by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      I'd have no problem with this had the city not installed more than 2,000 NEW parking meters. It's a revenue issue, plain and simple. For example, the area around Brown University is all 2 and 3 hour parking zones. So every day at 10:30AM you see a massive wave of employees and students going out and moving their cars.

      Brown does provide parking but its expensive and there isn't that much of it. So you have no option but to play the parking shuffle. It's the same with overnight parking. They tout it as a safety issue which is pure bullshit. If a fire engine needs to get through those engines are powerful enough that they can either crush or push something out of the way.

      The issue about our local representatives is that the common citizen has no voice in government. But isn't it curious that a private company manages all those new parking meters and to to do the ticketing and booting. You cannot tell me there isn't a profit motive, and where there is a profit motive there will be abuse.

    8. Re:Plate Capture technology by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Now that is a story of what can happen when the police are involved. Thanks for telling us about it.

    9. Re:Plate Capture technology by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      The problem is that when the police make a mistake, the onus falls upon the accused. When I first ran into the problem with the parking ticket, I thought it would be a simple thing of talking with the local police department and having them say, "Yup, our goof." and tear it up.

      Instead what I got was, "Yeah, our goof, the guy was in training. Just leave the ticket alone until it turns into a warrant, then you can argue your case in front of a judge." Not only is that a waste of resources for everyone involved, but it is sickening to believe that the police are so unconcerned and unmotivated to correct their mistake that they would require a trial.

      In the case of the towed vehicle, it was a different jurisdiction, but the case was even more disturbing. When I went to court, there were 7 other defendants to the same charge in attendance. Each had their case thrown out (Of course, it took 4 hours to get through them all) But most of these people could barely afford rent, let alone the $500+ fine that went along with abandonment of vehicle. In the town where I lived, $500 was 2 weeks pay. For people who are very likely living paycheck to paycheck, such a fine could place them into debt, or worse.

      It was the shotgun style approach of this officer (who targeted any vehicle older than 15 years) that resulted in a lot of wasted court time, a full day of work for 9 people (8 defendants and a judge) and the risk of money lost to those who couldn't afford it.

      I've since moved, but repeated interactions with the police have put such a sour taste in my mouth that I'm sad to admit that my first reaction to seeing the police is one of disgust, rather than respect. It should make every police officer sad as well.

      I can't even rely on the 'If you have nothing to hide' arguement. I have nothing to hide, and I still end up getting shafted. You will too.

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    10. Re:Plate Capture technology by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      Give a full report to your local news station and let them know that this 'tax waste' is taking place. They love those types of fights.

      And I do agree that the system is designed to frustrate a person so they will want to pay to get it over and done with. It's really not a system of 'justice' as one would think.

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      There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
    11. Re:Plate Capture technology by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Near where I live they just went and increased the time meters ran by two hours, well past business hours and into restaurant times. So if you want to walk around and have dinner or see a show you have to run out and feed the meter. No attempt to get public input of course, just a transparent attempt to gouge money out of people and hopefully write more tickets.

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    12. Re:Plate Capture technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government has turned revenues into a sort of business. Instead of defining some public needs and raising taxes to meet those they now seem to collect revenue for its own sake. "Wow! Our profits, urrrm, I mean revenues are up this year!". I think it started with the right turning taxes into an evil boogey man. People didn't stop demanding government benefits and services though. So governments (especially state and local) had to come up with all sorts of gimmicks, tolls, fees and fines to create tax revenues without having to call them that. Then there was a push to privatize as much as possible (we're not those bad Europeans!) and you end up with companies that tow you for $60/day and only $20 of that goes to the city. Since it only screws over a few citizens at a time no one complains (much).

  28. A very small myriad by wsanders · · Score: 1

    "A myriad" can refer to a very small myriad. As in,

    "All this expensive crap has a myriad of uses compared to good old fashioned police work."

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  29. Department Of Homeland Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello everyone,
    On September 19th I sent an angry letter to the Department head, Mr. Peter King, telling him how bad a job I thought he was doing.

    Five hours later, two very skilled hackers attempted to circumvent my firewall and gain access to my computer here at home. In the, oh I dunno, 12 years I've been doing this, nobody attempted a hack of this skill against me. I'm convinced, not just because of the timing, but the unique methods employed, that the Department of Homeland Security is responsible.

    They are now investigating civilians in the name of patriotism for expressing a dissenting view.

    I call upon everyone in this community to attempt to capture and make public the small bit of code that they tried to place on my machine. We know it as Talon. Release of this code may prove that their investigations have nothing to do with terrorism, and I beg everyone to help me in this.

    Thank you.

    1. Re:Department Of Homeland Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Five hours later, two very skilled hackers attempted to circumvent my firewall and gain access to my computer here at home.

      There were actually three of us assigned to your case. My colleagues were purposely "noisy" with their attempts so that your attention would be focused in their direction while I did my work.

      12 years I've been doing this, nobody attempted a hack of this skill against me.

      Puhleeeeze! Your home PC isn't exactly Fort Knox. Even a Linksys router running dd-wrt would have given me more resistance than your machine.

      While planting some files on your hard drive, I noticed that you downloaded TrueCrypt but never bothered to install it. Tsk, tsk. I altered a few Word docs on your hard drive and then added some pics to existing directories on your PC that that will definitely get your photo into the local newspapers. Expect a knock at the door in three...two...one...

      Thank you for shopping at DHS-mart.

      -Talon

    2. Re:Department Of Homeland Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could make a joke of your civil liberties being trampled upon. As always, /. brings us one step closer to... nothing.

    3. Re:Department Of Homeland Security by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 1

      "Thank you for shopping at DHS-mart."

      It should be "Shop Smart, Shop DHS-Mart!"

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      There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
  30. Buy Now! by hlomas · · Score: 1, Insightful

    All for the low, low price of your personal freedoms!

  31. Thats "a great myriad" to you Pal by RenderSeven · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey, it took millions of Egyptians to built the Great Myriads, and if they want to noun them thats there write.

  32. The question is... by ProfanityHead · · Score: 1

    The question is who is policing the police?

    Remember, George Washington and our founding fathers were considered terrorists.

    1. Re:The question is... by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      To take it a step further...

      George Washington was considered a terrorist, was not involved in a political party, and in his farewell address warned us against taking side in political parties and never to let them control the bureaucracy.

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    2. Re:The question is... by KudyardRipling · · Score: 1

      No one can police the police when they fear the loss of their cushy jobs, beautiful homes, SUVs, vacations, 401Ks, entertaiment systems, etc. A terrorist is defined as a person who has the resources and intent to effect change in society whether by means violent or otherwise. The operative word is 'change' not necessarily 'violence'.

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    3. Re:The question is... by toddhisattva · · Score: 1

      George Washington and our founding fathers were considered terrorists. Because he targeted so many babies and burned down so many towns. Held all those hostages. Shot civilians in cold blood.

      Please.

      Nobody with a brain ever considered George Washington a terrorist.

      I suspect you're confused because so many real terrorists, like Ho Chi Minh, have compared themselves to George Washington. There are millions of useless idiots who believe claims like Ho's, and some of them may have forced you to parrot their idiocy to pass their class.

      It's okay now. You can think for yourself. Don't be scared of thinking, researching, learning. Start with a dictionary to learn what "terrorist" means, and an encyclopedia to learn a general outline of Washington's life.

      To really open your mind to the possibilities of Washington, you might also learn about and keep in mind the concept of "ethics," especially that component which is alien to terrorists and aintellectuals alike: honor.
    4. Re:The question is... by ProfanityHead · · Score: 1

      "Nobody with a brain ever considered George Washington a terrorist." Not too bright are you? All of England considered him, and all of our founding fathers, terrorists. You must be a republican?
  33. Goddamn Jack Bauer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its all his fault. The spooks look at all the cool toys CTU has and their like 'WTF OMG' ...

    Years and billions of dollars later they start getting their toys, the US turns into a police state and Chloe O'Brien is pregnant with Satans child.

  34. They just love their toys, don't they? by Newer+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem is, toys can't replace common sense or good old walking the beat crime fighting. Besides, many more people get killed in a month from car accidents then all that got killed on 9/11. I'll also bet that property damage in a year from those accidents far exceeds the property damage done on 9/11. Yet we spend BILLIONS on terrorism, and practicallly nothing on making cars safer (in fact, the cars of today are less safe-look at how well the bumpers don't work on new cars). Or, look at health insurance. If they put those billions into making sure the 30 million uninsured people in this country had health care, many more people would live then died on 9/11. Look, I'm not trying to devalue what happened on 9/11. It was terrible! BUT our priorities are really f**ked up! The military can't fix the big problems in this country. We need to use our money on basics, not toys! I don't know about you, but my money pays for food and lodging for my family before I buy a wide screen TV with it. Of course, Halliburton isn't in the health care business either.

    1. Re:They just love their toys, don't they? by mister_woods · · Score: 1

      "BUT our priorities are really f**ked up!"

      I couldn't agree more with all your sentiments. Just looking at the "War on Terror" angle, both the US and UK have expended lots of energy attacking the liberties of their citizens and introducing draconian legislation for very little return - a couple of dozen people banged up in prison in the case of the UK (most of whom could have been dealt with by existing legislation anyway.

      Technology cannot replace common-sense. However, the authorities no longer have any common-sense to see the limits of technology. Another poster quoting from TFA pointed out that the DHs' new kit can read fingerprints at 5 metres. When their toys can read my thoughts, then I might start to worry.

    2. Re:They just love their toys, don't they? by sweetlipsbutterhoney · · Score: 1

      I have seen this "car accident" argument a lot lately on Slashdot. You wackos all must read the same forums, and you were unjustly modded up accordingly. It is an ignorant position. I could make a list of all the things the gov't spends more money on than car safety defending against that kill far fewer people. Things like murder, HIV, Breast Cancer, etc. It's not about the body count. It's about how these things affect our lives and what level of risk society is willing to accept. For things like car travel that exist for the betterment of society, we accept a level of risk to have the boon that auto travel is. Terrorism, like disease and crime, have no societal benefit and do far greater harm to the health of our society than car accidents. The acceptable level of risk from these threats is much much lower because of this.

  35. Law enforcement software by sabre86 · · Score: 1

    I'd like to how these companies and agencies react when hardware blueprints and software source code for their (very likely) proprietary products get subpoenaed by tech savvy defense lawyers. A reasonable court* would hold that a defendant has a right to examine the devices for his defense. Neither state secrets nor trade secrets will (given a reasonable court*) be a justification to hide the proprietary bits.

    Since I expect neither the companies nor the government will be too keen on letting such material be examined in court, the combination of reasonable courts* and a tech savvy defense will greatly limit the applicability of this technology to law enforcement. Or, perhaps, people will realize that any hardware and software used by the government, particularly for law enforcement purposes, must be open public examination.

    --sabre86

    *Reasonable courts do exist, right? Please.

  36. Wonders, Lisa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or blunders?

    I think that was implied by what I said.

    Implied, or implode?

  37. Thank god!!! by durin · · Score: 0, Troll

    Perhaps now, someone in the US will actually catch an actual terrorist (not).

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  38. Re: "a myriad" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, I bet you feel like a fuckin' idiot now. That ought to shut you up for the rest of the year. Thanks for the chuckle, asshat.

  39. making cars safer eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The amount of money spent making cars safer is a lot more than "practically nothing." For the past few decades, the government has regularly piled on more and more regulations, the costs of which are payed by car buyers and the auto industry. Perhaps you have noticed a trend during this time toward larger, heavier vehicles? Then there are all the electronic safety features available on modern cars like ABS, airbags, traction/stability control, tire pressure monitoring, lane departure warning, active roll bars, etc.

    1. Re:making cars safer eh? by woobieman29 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you have noticed a trend during this time toward larger, heavier vehicles? Then there are all the electronic safety features available on modern cars like ABS, airbags, traction/stability control, tire pressure monitoring, lane departure warning, active roll bars, etc. So please tell me, what is it about the larger, heavier vehicles that makes them safer? Is it the increased braking distance? Perhaps the slower handling? Maybe the fact that the taller ones tip over easier? Or maybe you are just referring to the extra protection provided by 2 more tons of steel wrapped around you - in that case you realize of course that the extra steel might afford you a bit of extra protection, but only at the expense of increased damage to the family in the Honda that you just hit?

      Let's also discuss the modern safety features that you have cited. The GP was comparing Department of Homeland Security anti-terrorist spending to govermental spending on improving auto safety. You responded by listing a number of safety improvements that have been brought about by market pressures and competition amongst automakers. These are wonderful improvements that have nothing to do governmental regulation and spending, IIRC. Seatbelts are an example of government-mandated safety equiptment, none of the items that you mention (possible exception of airbags in new cars??) are required by law.
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    2. Re:making cars safer eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not advocating larger and heavier vehicles, I think they suck. But safety is not only one of the reasons used to justify their existance, via government crash test regs it is also one of the causes. Just look at how many foreign made sports cars are not sold in the USA other than in incomplete "kit" form, due to some combination of not meeting the crash standards or not having gone through the costly certification process.

      Government does mandate a lot of safety related junk in cars. One of the latest such laws for instance requires sensors under seats in order to automatically disable airbags when there is not a certain minimum weight present.

    3. Re:making cars safer eh? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Plus since so many people now drive SUVs the safety factor is gone since now it one SUV hitting another.

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  40. Once we are all in chains by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    then we will all be free.

  41. Re: "a myriad" eh? by alshithead · · Score: 1

    Ow! I have found it best not to nitpick grammar and spelling on Slashdot. There are plenty of folks here who are very intelligent and be's not the bestest fo speelers or grammaticistists. I think it's best to judge the content not the occasional misuse of a word or spelling. Also, some of the world's best educated in English seem to peruse Slashdot and they WILL hold you to your own standards and put you in your place if you try to be a grammar Nazi and you are actually...WRONG! That is part of the evolution of my sig. :)

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  42. [imaginary] Terrorism solved! by themushroom · · Score: 1

    I can feel safer now that we have so many new surveilance devices keeping an eye on the general population.

    Oh, where's Osama bin Laden right now, you see him with that stuff? No? Hmm, I think this is turning out to be like the Hubbel telescope -- it's great stuff and cost bundles, but the lens is pointed in the WRONG F@#%(&*# DIRECTION!!

  43. I'm gettin old enough now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that I turned into a grammaticist. Some of them hot older babes looking mighty fine to me!

  44. Re: "a myriad" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    A problem with information on 'the Internets' is that there are chances that the quality of the sources are not always properly assessed.

    (Score:4, Informative), my ass! Should be (Score:-2, Pompous and erroneous).

    So you, oh-measure-of-all-men, are the true arbiter of whether the source has been "properly assessed"? Why is your source preferable to anyone else's? Because you're "special"?

    My source, the Liddel & Scott Greek Lexicon (yes, I did take three years of ancient Greek), defines it as follows: murios, -a, on (feminine and neuter endings shown for declension purposes) -- ten thousand, countless. How's that as a noun? How's that for old? Thus I blow farts in the general direction of your sixteenth century novelties.

    The definition continues with references to both singular and plural usages, but never is it shown as a noun. The closest you could get to a noun would be to describe it as a substantive adjective, as is done in that upstart, English.

    Note also that your own source says "As the entries here show, ....", without providing said entries other than its own self-supplied definitions listed as nouns. Helluva source, Brownie.

    By the way, your pedantship -- the quality of the sources is not always properly assessed. While no extra points are granted for it in your final grade, subject-predicate agreement remains important in this classroom.

  45. it isn't incompetence.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....once you realize they wanted that attack to go down. Then it makes a lot more sense. Trillions in profits for the connected elite, unlimited political power, far and away from any legitimate Constitutional authority, for those who give the orders.

    How soon people forget. The FBI had an informant inside the cell that did the *first* WTC attack in 93. And "others" had informants involved with the OKC attack.

    You have the finest stealth tyrannical government that long term planning and "need to know" rogue government officials can devise. Enjoy living in a dictatorship and keep believing in their fairy tales of what happened and when.

    And people are still wondering why there is more "security" infrastructure going in place? It has nothing to do with stopping crime or catching terrorists, it has everything to do with locking down the police state, step by step by step. Right in front of your faces. Too much all at once, they get a revolt, a nasty one. One step at a time, and their serfs will demand the police state be implemented, just like what is happening right now.

    *Some* government is stupid, other parts of government (now corporate government or fascism, might as well call it what it is, transnational globalist fascism) are quite smart, that is why they give the orders and are billionaires, and "most any one else you" don't and aren't. The smart ruthless guys call the shots, the weaker and stupider people follow orders. And don't forget the ruthless part and remember, they coined the term "acceptable collateral damage" to justify their actions. That is how it has always been throughout history, so it isn't any different now, just people refuse to accept the reality confronting them, like they always do until it is too late to do much about it. The term is cognizant dissonance, and it is why is was so easy for ruthless "leaders" in the last century to get people to willingly climb into trucks headed to the camps without much fighting against it while it was going on. People just will never accept that very powerful people are by and large quite insane megalomaniacs and sociopaths, and really don't function on the same levels as just normal sane people. So they choose to "not believe that!" when confronted with what is in essence, quite simple and clear cut evidence that would lead most any normal person to come up with 2+2=4, if they were looking at someone else's circumstances. When it comes to themselves, most everyone thinks they are smarter than the ruthless sociopaths who are already extremely powerful humans. Here's a hint, you aren't. You may be technically more intelligent in some other fields besides extreme global power politics, and you aren't cunning enough or even honest enough with yourself to admit when you've been tricked, so you insist it "never happened, couldn't happen!"

    The "war on terror" is the largest phishing scam ever devised, and is quite successful... It's so good now that a feedback loop has been established, and now we are making hundreds of millions of people into "terrorists", which will then "justify" all the heinous big brother action.

  46. Spy Tech? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Sounds almost like a get-smart episode.

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  47. if it were me... by steveaustin1971 · · Score: 0

    I would purchase all the gizmos and tech wonders I could get my hands on while the funding lasts, I mean wouldn't you? They pretty much THROW money at H.S. right now, makes work alot more fun with remote control flying whatsits and whole companies scrambling to built gadgets for ya... not that I REALLY think any of it is necessary mind you, but that doesn't stop me from buying the latest Nvidia cards for my PC when I REALLY don't need two 8800's in there... how do you get a job in Homeland Security BTW?

  48. Re: "a myriad" eh? by TheGavster · · Score: 1

    My source, the Liddel & Scott Greek Lexicon ...

    Not knowing the relative authority of either source, the one about modern English trumps the one about ancient Greek in my book.

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  49. Re:bureaucratic incompetance is the greatest threa by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Don't worry. With the increased number of political appointments instead of by merit we've got the bureaucratic incompetance situation at an entirely new level. Soon we'll have world's best practice in bureaucratic incompetance instead of being left behind in this area by the top performers in the third world. Forget study and hard work - join the party comrade!

  50. Re: "a myriad" eh? by dbIII · · Score: 1
    Also it's an international site so you get people that try to correct the spelling of "aluminium" or "colour" because they don't have a clue that you are writing in english and not american. The language of the net is broken english and we also get people that redefine words for the purposes of their own arguments (eg. RMS and free - but there are a lot of people in US academia that appear to do this so he probably thought it was standard practice).

    I'm never going to bother to spellcheck a slashdot post and neither are a lot of people. It really doesn't matter unless it changes the meaning of things.

  51. One step solution by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1


    Problem - Solution:
    Overbearing satellites - sombrero
    Nanohelicopters - fly swatter
    Towers, sensors and radar - pantomime horse outfit
    Ranged finger and iris scans - sunglasses and gloves

    One step solution: Pantomime horse wearing sunglasses, gloves and a sombrero carrying a fly swatter.

  52. Their writ does not run so far by Iowan41 · · Score: 1

    This is tyranny.

  53. police by syedelyas · · Score: 2, Funny

    so the police can stay at their office in good and relax while watching the crime would happen and eating popcorn. i think the police will get more fatter and lazy :D

  54. Re: "a myriad" eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Not knowing the relative authority of either source, ....

    That's called culpable ignorance -- ignorance through intent not to find the truth -- and not invincible ignorance -- where you really cannot find the correct answer.

    A simple search gives: http://www.logos.com/products/details/1772:

    Liddell and Scott Greek-English Lexicon

    The world's most authoritative dictionary of ancient Greek

    Indispensable for biblical and classical studies alike, the world's most comprehensive and authoritative dictionary of ancient Greek is now available with the Revised Supplement integrated into the body of the text for the first time ever. The publication of the Revised Supplement in 1996 marked a major event in classical scholarship and was the culmination of 13 years' painstaking work overseen by a committee appointed by the British Academy, involving the cooperation of many experts from around the world.

    The Main Dictionary: Liddell and Scott's Greek-English Lexicon (9th edition 1940), is the central reference work for all scholars of ancient Greek authors and texts discovered up to 1940, from the 11th century BC to the Byzantine Period. The early Greek of authors such as Homer and Hesiod, Classical Greek, and the Greek Old and New Testaments are included. Each entry lists not only the definition of a word, but also its irregular inflections, and quotations from a full range of authors and sources to demonstrate usage.

    .

    OK, where were we? Oh yeah -- now that you know the authority of my source, where's your authority. Hmmm, the generic Webster's. At least have the ambition to use a reference of some stature. I'd suggest the OED for openers.

    Insofar as you simply took as stipulated that your book trumps mine (in formal logic, that's known as The Proof from Blatant Assertion), I now assert that mine, going back to the original language, trumps the living shit out of yours.

    I have now sufficiently proven you so thoroughly ignorant (culpably) that I can safely assume that you not only think the word "kudos" is plural, but that the word "Celtic" begins with a soft "C". Wrong on both counts, sweetheart. Go to the language where the words originated, then observe and learn.

    P.S. As for your "... in my book.", well, your book sucks. It's obviously as lightweight as yourself.

  55. How would this help? by RMH101 · · Score: 1

    They'd receive a mangled wheel lock back that they have photo evidence of being attached to your car, with a matching serial number on the lock. They'll have your licence plate and so they'll know who/where you are. They'd bill you for a new one, and maybe prosecute for damage.

    1. Re:How would this help? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1
      What about NOT damaging the boot? Basically, spot-weld a hemispherical "hubcap" to several places on the wheel rim. This will make the boot just slide off and be unable to grip the wheel. And it's probably illegal for them to attempt to remove something that's an integral part of the wheel. Then again: they could just tow you :/

      -b.

    2. Re:How would this help? by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Well yes, I'm aware of that. The units don't appear to be constructed all that well. I remember the old Denver Boot and those were solidly built, these don't look like they might survive a collision with the curb.

      Of course you'd wreck your wheel in the process. I love all the law and order folks who don't realize that our rights are being gradually eroded by something so simple as letting private contractors take over municipal services.

  56. The small fly is watching you by OricAtmos48K · · Score: 1

    Hail Orwell !!

  57. Re:bureaucratic incompetance is the greatest threa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why bother, just buy it all off the Israelis instead, that way, you get the whole lot neatly organised, collated, and critiqued for reliability. OTOH, they should probably skip the last part, since that might make the reading a little unpalatable.

  58. 70% of all CRIMINAL activity, not terrorism by Khopesh · · Score: 1

    "Seventy percent of all criminal activity can be tied to a vehicle," says Mark Windover, president of Remington ELSAG Law Enforcement Systems, which is marketing its product to 250 U.S. police agencies."

    Hold on a second; what percent of criminal activity is related to Homeland Security? I'll bet it's very low. Now cut that to 70%.

    The Department of Homeland Security Mission Statement says:

    We will lead the unified national effort to secure America. We will prevent and deter terrorist attacks and protect against and respond to threats and hazards to the nation. We will ensure safe and secure borders, welcome lawful immigrants and visitors, and promote the free-flow of commerce.

    The DHS constantly oversteps its bounds and infringes on our personal freedom. We must not fall victim to Big Brother tactics.

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  59. really? by azrin_abbas · · Score: 1

    having small gadgets to help in keeping crimes at bay..that's technology being used to the fullest. is it really, now? more like being phobic and hiding behind all the reasons they can come out with just to get the approval of the public. typical.

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  60. Re:All are caused by human by rk075245 · · Score: 1

    When human solved the problems. Another human will break the rules of the problems. So, no problems and solutions for the problems will be subroutine in our life freely.

  61. Feeding the troll ... by foobsr · · Score: 1

    I did take three years of ancient Greek

    ... perhaps this was enough to learn that the connotation of 'idiot' shifted a little since ancient Greek was the language of choice in Greece, whilst it obviously was of not so much help with regard to the noun in question.

    CC.

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  62. That was CNN by Agarax · · Score: 1

    The footage was from CNN, not Fox

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  63. Re:All are caused by human by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any chance to repeat what you want to say in a comprehensible English sentence?