Looks like Notorious G beat me to it. Your numbers are still an intriguing reason to look at breaking up those states. (Personally I wish Texas would just secede already.) I think the more compelling arguments, though, come from the differing geopolitical areas in California and New York. Here's a Wikipedia article for California, since this idea continue to be A Thing over there.
My personal opinion is that states' rights have diminished too far, and I'd agree that some of our states are just way too big. Then again, we shouldn't forget the failure of the Articles of Confederation.
While I'm at it, the Cascadia independence movement was another interesting historical proposal for British Columbia, Washington, and Oregon to secede from Canada and USA and form a new country.
Glad you at least enjoy my attempts at humor, but you're still missing the other point, mi.
At some point in the next week, you will see somebody you've never met before. You will believe this person is a woman. This person will actually be a man.
How do you intend to establish this? Do you perform the Crocodile Dundee maneuver on every woman you meet just to be sure? How do you control for bottom surgery? Do you have a portable ultrasound device or something?
I'm honestly curious. The only reason you know I'm "really" a man is because I gave you that information. Well, and I am posting to/. lol! I guarantee you that once I go deep stealth, there is no way you're going to be able tell without strip searching me.
Do you actually have a way of determining the gender somebody was assigned at birth, or do you just walk around in constant paranoia that every attractive woman around you might actually be a man?
Well, I guess if the former is the case, that would explain some reactions I've gotten upon presenting ID up to and including frightening some poor old man so bad, he jumped up, ran into the back room like he had just seen the devil himself, and called the cops on me.
Oh, trust me. I have ways of torturing people like you who think they can "always" spot somebody not presenting as their assigned gender at birth. Call me a man all you want on the internet lol. It'll only increase the epicness of what will happen later this week.
You're correct. I haven't been clear. I got triggered.
(Granted, shoehorning class inheritance into Javascript was fun but fundamentally flawed. Still, an interesting exercise.)
I live in a world where, apparently, Ada Lovelace is evidence of my sexism. I wasn't assigned the same gender as her at birth, so therefore, because I chose (even though the warnings should have been clear it was a poor choice) to learn programming, I'm a fucking sexist, end of story. Hey, I was a kid at the time. I didn't understand the complete insanity and gender lunacy that would become programming.
What about Rear Admiral Hopper? Do her accomplishments amount to jack shit? Apparently.
What about Lovelace's work in advancing women in science in general? Nope. Again, jack shit.
Hypatia got a mention up there. She must have been a fantastic individual to accomplish becoming the head librarian of the fucking Library of Alexandria despite the attitudes about women that must have persisted at the time! Granted, she might have been an Amazon, who knows. My alter ego at the red site would probably make up something in regards to that.
Do the SJWs even understand what was in Lovelace's Notes? I doubt it. The ones who have accused me of sexism to my face certainly didn't.
Curie. Tubman. Many others we're leaving out. Yet, Lovelace. Why Lovelace? Why is Lovelace even a trigger for me? Why did I get accused of sexism because I wasn't assigned the same gender at birth, even though I fucking should have?! What the fuck does gender have to do with any of this?
But whatever. This is a man's world, not because it should be, but because the SJWs like it that way. That way we can magnify some rich bitch who lived 150 some odd years ago larger than life just to build the FEEL GUILTY narrative. FEEL GUILTY!
Somebody hook a generator up to Lovelace's spinning corpse. This is certainly not what she indented. If she were alive today, she would be accused of not being a "real" woman and of being a traitor to her own gender. Why? Because if an SJW spent 5 minutes talking to her, they would realize how mentally deficient they are. Then would come the usual accusations. Because womanhood is only one thing, can possibly be only one thing, and we'll beat into submission anyone, cis or trans, that doesn't fit that mold. Womanhood is victimhood! Or at least it is according to man's world.
Why? For the same reason we've got somebody up there pointing out that the important attribute of Lovelace is that she had some kids! I mean, WTF?! FEEL GUILTY, YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE LOVELACE YOU SEXIST! There are many "cisgendered" women who can't have children. Modern medical science is solving those problems one-by-one. You might have remembered one woman who was in the news because she was able to give birth thanks to her mother's uterus being implanted in her. Was she a mentally ill, sexually confused person until she had that procedure? Is the definition of a woman limited to those who have babies? Help me out here.
I don't know. There are two women I know (not me) who need programming jobs. Until that's resolved, any fucking invocation of Lovelace as evidence of sexism is null and void. Any fucking blame directed at me personally for some vast conspiracy of misogynerds keeping women out of programming jobs and go fuck itself. I report asshole sociopath psychologically manipulating managers for sexual harassment when it happens. Do you? I encourage women who have been discriminated against, even if they don't realize it themselves, to file lawsuits. Do you?
I feel I'm the only person actually doing something about the problem with gender diversity in programming. But it's not good enough. Nothing I do ever will be good enough, because I'm not a woman, and so therefore I will always either be a sexist or metaphysical rapist or some other fucking excuse for WHY my efforts will never be good enough, why I
I'm afraid you're the one who is sexually confused. When you see me, you believe I am a woman. Who told you that? I didn't. In fact, I'm surprised when I'm even clearly dressed as a man when you call me "ma'am." Then when you see on my papers that I was assigned the male gender, you'd probably freak the fuck out and blame me for the way you gendered me. But anyway, I digress. Not my problem your image of a trans woman is a man in a dress.
Back on topic. Random trivia: Lovelace also died from uterine cancer at an unfortunately young age.
Yes, different people have different body parts. Biology is messy. Deal with it.
Actually, I'm surprised that Lovelace is idolized as a woman programmer when she had better accomplishments advancing women in the field of science. No love for Rear Admiral Hopper, who designed the first compiler? What about Liskov and her theories?
Nope. We have to go full retard and blame the programming languages themselves. Obviously, Rear Admiral Hopper and Liskov weren't aware that they were promoting sexism by putting forward things like syntax errors and type theories. You sexist cow, Liskov! Putting things into types and objectifying them means you're a part of the vast conspiracy of foisting the patriarchy on women and keeping them out of programming careers!
Mod up. This is truth. (Trust me, I'm not AC any more, nor do I live in the UK, actually I'm kind of surprised [in a bad way] at this account.)
I'm sure plenty of wife beaters and rapists perceive themselves as heroes too so the gatekeepers are in good company.
This nails it. May I count you as a fourth woman who was fucked by SJWs screaming about the lack of women in tech while denying you your very identity?
Oh, they think they're "good guys." They're the "sheep dogs" that herd us all for our own fucking good. And the sheep buy it!
Where is the logic to be found here? I tried to proceed logically, say true. I told women who thought computers were for boys, "You're wrong. Women can be programmers, too!" What did it get me? "ur an asshole!" That's what it got me. "ur sexist." Again, that's what it got me.
There is no logic to be found here. If there were any logic, some feminist would have helped me transition--and I'd be living as a woman today with some hope of a normal life--instead of calling me a quantum rapist (i.e. not even I can know whether I'm a rapist or not because the waveform can only collapse into one state: the observation, i.e. catching me in the act, that I am a rapist no matter what I believe or say or think or feel).
Nope, no logic whatsoever. WHY must the blame fall on me for the lack of female programmers instead of the asshole managers? Who is going after the asshole managers who are actually responsible? Who is using their cis-ness to help convince women that maths aren't hard?! I sure as hell can't help out there! I'm just a metaphysical rapist, somebody to be injected with testosterone against her will!
I'm not the one out there telling girls that maths are hard! I'm not the one turning women off to tech and science. So yeah, pretty much fuck everything until people are willing to come around and see the truth. You can blame me all you want, but it's not going to magically produce more women programmers.
So yeah, call me a misogynist. Makes no difference in the end. Have fun with your self-fulfilling prophecies.
It probably can't, say true. Help me out here, Ms. Crates! I am trying to answer one question: WHY?!
Don't get me wrong. I had a hand in mentoring both, but in the end one was just flat out turned off to tech by a sexually harassing manager, and the other is a better hacker than I am at this point. She mentored me in how to do Javascript correctly (yes, it can be done correctly, amazingly enough--in the end we'd almost implemented actual object oriented class inheritance in javascript!, but that's a story for another day).
At the same time, I stand accused of sexism. I stand accused of rape. Yet nobody can name just who I raped! Nobody can tell me exactly how I'm involved in this massive conspiracy to keep women out of tech.
As far as I can tell, here's the nature of the vast conspiracy: acceptance of complete incompetence of male "developers" (read: javascript/ruby/systemd cowboys) and complete rejection of women who actually know what the fuck they're doing. Place the blame on "misogynerds" like me (don't hate me because I have better luck with men than TERFs) and bingo! A winner!
What I can see from here is that there are fairly useless initiatives such as Canonical's that do absolutely nothing to increase diversity in tech. Then you have TERFs (granted, that's a new term for me, since what's been happening has been happening long before I registered the current UID) out there who blame me personally instead of the asshole managers actually responsible for the fact there are no women in tech.
Who the fuck is doing anything about all the internalized misogyny I see? NOBODY. NOTHING. Sure, just blame me. I'll go away. You still won't have any women in tech. In fact, one less. So make that three women I know personally who have been chased out of tech by this bullshit.
All this hand-wavey bullshit about how "misogynerds" like me (again, the premise being that I'm male because I was born with an oversized clitoris) are chasing women out of tech is simply fucking wrong.
Oh, sure, you want to pretend I'm the one being sexist. That fits the convenient bullshit Narrative. You don't go after the asshole managers that chased them out, do you? Why not? Gee, I wonder.
So sure, I'm the one being sexist. I will admit that at this point, yes, those two women are better people than I'll ever be. I let you get to me, and that was a mistake.
I want to be absolutely fucking clear here. Anybody who invokes the difference engine is a cow. (Nods to cow guy up there.) When somebody says "difference engine" in response to Ada Lovelace, they reveal they're a dipshit who doesn't know anything about Lovelace.
Yes, I'm angry. I'm fucking angry. Have you even read her Notes? Has anybody else in this fucking thread read her Notes? I have. Have you? They're pretty good. She predicts MP3 players and video games.
The reason I am angry is that none of the SJWs (expand: social juggalo warriors) who keep pouring on this bullshit have read her Notes. They don't understand a single basic fucking thing about computers, much less the Analytical Engine architecture. Yet, they can conclude, based upon nothing except my assigned gender at birth that I am part of a vast conspiracy to keep women out of tech.
Nope, sorry, bzzzzzt wrong. You never, ever go after the asshole, sexually harassing, bigoted, sexist managers who are the reason those two talented women I know don't have programming jobs. Yes, I said sexual harassment. I busted one manager for sexual harassment, and then he doubled down on whatever the fuck was his deal until she just quit. Yes, I said bigoted and sexist. There is a lawsuit still open for gender discrimination in the case of the other. I hope that fucking asshole executive fucking gets hit with a 6 figure judgement.
Nope, sorry, not the fault of "misogynerds" like me. Not my fault I was born with a clitoris that was a centimeter too large. Go to hell. All of you SJWs can go to hell. Or at least, I don't care. See the username. The first chance I get, the first moment it's financially feasible for me, I am done with tech. Fuck tech. Fuck you. Fuck SJWs. And fuck gaslighting asshole managers.
Repeat after me: Ada Lovelace wrote a program for the Analytical Engine architecture.
I'm sure Babbage's Difference Engine is fascinating, but it can't be programmed. The architecture you're looking for is the Analytical Engine. At least get the basics right.
Ah, I get it! They've moved SJW Friday to Monday. Brilliant!
This still doesn't explain why two very talented women I know don't have programming jobs, you shitlords. This still doesn't explain why both were chased out of the field by asshole managers.
No, he already has his liberal bona fides. Whatever the reasons for his popularity, it's not because of any deeply rooted commitment to the Republicans or conservative ideals, generally.
This is the key. Please see here. Sure, it's WaPo, but it's clear that Trump is doing nothing but trolling. Also see here.
That being said, I like a good troll. Trump is doing classic trolling at its finest. <trump>I know a lot of trolls! I'm very good friends with a lot of trolls!</trump>
Canada might work. I looked into it a few years ago, if I were looking at the right things all I'd need to do really is learn French and get an offer of employment to get enough points.
I've also considered Germany since I was nearly fluent in and shortly after high school, not so much any more, but I'm sure it'd come back to me. Actually, that would probably be the option if the "free tuition" I keep hearing about also includes room and board in a dorm and would be offered to somebody who went from straight As to completely burned out in college about a decade and a half ago trying to figure out why I should feel guilty when a woman chooses to wear high heels.
(It was very strange beginning transition while being called an oppressor of women in half my classes and a rapist, also stressful and a bit scary when I wound up doing a group work project with two cis women due to rape culture in a CS class that was also a requirement of the MIS/CIS/similar degree they were going for. On-campus feminist club were TERFs iirc.)
How does one get a degree with 6+ years of prerequisites which are only available after getting a high school diploma, which requires wasting time in high school learning underwater basket weaving for at least 4 years, which requires another 3 years wasting time being bullied in middle school, which requires another 6 years wasting time at the K-5 level being forced to endure basic shit you mastered in 2nd grade over and over again while being told that because you were assigned the male gender at birth, you don't have access to any of the better projects or opportunities that girls do, because boys are just dumber and you're a boy, no matter what you fucking say or argue, which you can't even start until you're 5 years old?
Help me understand this. I get that Feynman was on the committee. No argument here that he was brilliant and brutally honest. I'm a big fan. Something simply doesn't add up about these 20 year old PhD wunderkinds.
I'd accept time travel as an adequate solution before believing that it's possible to, completely unaided by corruption, money, and connections, earn a PhD at 20 on merit alone.
The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.
What did I get from my school for actually accomplishing things? Threats of federal felony prosecution. Oh, and have an AP class, kid. (Oh, I'm forgetting the 1 or 2 grade bump here and there to keep me satisfied that with the just world hypothesis and plenty of FEEL GUILTY FOR BEING ASSIGNED THE MALE GENDER AGAINST YOUR WILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN FUCKING DO TO ESCAPE IT instead of actually studying literature in English class!)
Ok, mod this comment -1. I'm going to go here. It's almost SJW Friday and that means I get to read yet more comments reacting to articles about promoting diversity by bitching about how trans women are the most privileged people in the universe. If that were true, why the fuck didn't they offer me the sex change I wanted and instead left me with excruciating physical pain from genital mutilation?!
If this were a conservative administration, they would be blaming the POTUS.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those blackmailed Liberal vs Conservative. the current administration does have a track record of looking the other way when conservatives are singled out.
Is this you? Are you a cow or an apping app apper?
Troubling, but it still looks like car crash+fire to me.
Why do your employers try? I'd rather have the cow guy. At least he's occasionally good for a laugh.
When you've got someone who's already transitioned, working in their new identity at a new job, friends and family all know,
Heh, that's my current challenge. I have no family. They didn't have a daughter, therefore they didn't have me, therefore I have no family, hence I have an ex-mother and ex-father, but no current mother and father. I wish that could be reflected legally. I don't want that bunch of Christian fundamentalists, Baptists, and American Reformed as family either. The feeling is mutual. Friends? I managed to fuck that up. Hung out with a bunch of losers.
One thing. If even the informed consent clinic cannot prescribe me alternative meds to continue to prevent involuntary, painful, debilitating erections, well, I might take a compromise. I wonder what the local hospital would do with an assigned male bleeding out in their parking lot, all because he couldn't stand his circumcision or assigned gender any more and found a practical solution to "religious objection!"?
I don't know. Oddly, I'm tempted to go with authoritarianism over this. I am a CDL holder. I've driven vehicles from two wheelers to eighteen wheelers.
Deaths in vehicle collisions are iirc the number one killer in the USA. I don't think 90% of operator license holders should have those licenses. We should focus on mass transit and city architectures that make owning a massive metal missile unnecessary.
I also know someone who was injured in a pedestrian-vehicle collision. Thankfully, not fatally. Yet it took him a civil lawsuit to even attempt to get money to treat his injuries.
I'm sorry about your buddy. Somehow, I don't mind a vehicle that will radio in when it experiences anomalous conditions. Piloting one of these things is an awesome responsibility. If I royally screwed up while driving 40,000 tons of water (almost did once), I'd want the authorities to be informed immediately, even if I had to face jail time.
Random feminists do not have access to your birth records.
No, but all it takes is somebody in HR or accounting to decide that it's time to review the employee's records, and what's this? A birth certificate on file with an M! *gasp* A cis het male in a woman-suit fooling us this whole time!
All though, hopefully CRISPRwhatever would qualify as a procedure that would allow one to change that. Who knows I guess. Depends on the state/country of birth.
*sigh*, to think, all I needed was two plastic surgery procedures I could have easily afforded with money I earned myself back then if I'd had a little support to have been, well, maybe not stunningly gorgeous, but definitely hot. I might have achieved "stunningly gorgeous" if I'd had proper medical care beginning when I was 12. Just lucky with genetics and early HRT and simultaneously unlucky with parents and SJWs I guess. I doubt age reversal is possible, at least before I wind up six feet under. Oh well, maybe next life.
I mean, surely an army of hot, young women hackers is worth being flexible about what constitutes a "woman?" Eh, who knows. That reminds me, I need to catch up on my favorite SJW-authored comic about gender mayhem (not Ranma 1/2) I'm not sure why I even bother reading anymore, since it's not really about gender mayhem anymore.
Thanks for the reply. I thought about this through the afternoon. While there's isn't much one pseudo-anonymous person can do for another pseudo-anonymous person on the other side of the internet, I've been scratching my head trying to figure out where I'm going to relocate when the time comes.
I've done a few Googling sessions (the choice is still at least two years away, but it's a big choice). I haven't found much of use. Are there any reliable indicators or data available that could help me figure out how trans-unfriendly different big cities are?
My proximity to the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival might be a possible explanation for my experiences (about half a day drive--I'd probably do Camp Trans, but honestly I don't know why I'd want to get in anyway).
Can you confirm whether or not my theory that there is something seriously rotten with feminism in the midwest is on to something?
The rest of this post is mostly tl;dr.
Basically, I realized that I needed to relocate. Being trans in flyover country is not a workable proposition, especially with internet pharmacies that don't need a valid prescription all but completely shut down these days. I don't even know why I tried or why it took me so long to figure this out. Maybe I let myself be deluded that if I were paid what I'm supposed to be worth by national averages with the cost of living here, I'd be able to afford all the plastic surgery I could stand by the time I was 30 (don't need much though actually). Well, that goal is long gone.
I also swore to myself that I'd never, ever be responsible for any computer system run by proprietary software again. Proprietary software and a vendor stuck in the 80s is what caused the whole situation at work to escalate to a full blown accusation of sexism. (Well, that, and the person who essentially "rallied the cause" has profound ignorance when it comes to computers anyway. We're talking somebody who buys into the "computer languages themselves are sexist" theory. Apparently, having "programmer" in one's job title means that support contracts and laws that prevent me from fixing bugs in proprietary software are nonexistent, not to mention the logistical nightmares I imagined when I was considering learning MSIL [have done some futzing around in assembler and didn't seem too difficult if I were determined] and binary patching the damned thing.)
If that were it, I'm sure I could stay in tech.
I know it's hard, but if you can affect change in your workplace it will help everyone who comes after you, and perhaps allow you to continue in a job you enjoy.
This is a good point in general. I doubt there's any changing my specific workplace, but as I indicated in another comment I just posted, it might be fun to stick around after I go full time just for the lulz. I don't want to burn the bridge down, but staying around for a month or two of drama might be fun and help me find new strategies for dealing with TERFs.
I'll see if the momentum behind the "misogynerd" theory changes and what exactly happens when the eventual quotas come, since if Brianna Wu is any indication, the quotas will be for "womyn-born-womyn" only or at least women rich enough to afford the right surgeries (or just lucky enough to be assigned that gender at birth). I'm guessing that if I started contributing to open source, I wouldn't have difficulties demonstrating my skill and finding a job doing open source programming.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll have to check the laws in my state for updating identifying documents. When I first started over a decade ago (and then promptly stalled because I made the mistake of thinking having a job was more important than being who I was), the birth certificate could be amended I believe, but only after bottom surgery for M2Fs.
Come to think of it, a trans woman who lived with me briefly did mention something about not needing surgery to get a passport with one's lived gender after going full time. Also come to think about it, there are also such things as informed consent clinics these days, so no more ridiculous song and dance trying to convince some gatekeeper psych (or going the more dangerous route of internet pharmacies like I did after giving up with one psych who had never heard that gender change is something people do or else thought it was mental illness and another psych who was only good at transferring money from my bank account to a local university's).
I am within a half day's drive from the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, so maybe that's why I've come up against so many TERFs. I was surprised to learn that Pagan faiths, at least as practiced in this strange enclave of flyover country I was foolish enough to call home, are even more transphobic and homophobic than various brands of Christianity.
... but you WILL be able to help any employer check off a few boxes in terms of diversity... vive la difference!
I had always figured the diversity checkbox was available for "womyn-born-womyn" only. I'm honestly confused every time on this site and the red site trans women become the "whipping girl" to borrow the title of a book whenever diversity comes up.
One would think it's unpossible that I'm supporting a highly-skilled trans woman who has no income thanks to either transphobia or gender discrimination in general (the lawsuit I've mentioned in other comments may help figure out which, because it's sounding more and more like they're going to find one hell of a skeleton in that place's closet), and I'm too afraid/exasperated to go full time at my current job.
Maybe I'll give it a try when the time comes for the lulz, but I need to get to a larger city.
Any advice on what to look for when trying to judge how trans-unfriendly different big cities are?
I see this mostly from manager-types. I've noted elsewhere that I've watched two women, both who are very bight, get chased out of tech. I've had clients refuse to work with customer service and insist on coming directly to me, and I can only figure it's the "I need to speak to a man" phenomenon. The few men in other departments where I work will come to me with a completely inane question about the system that their female colleagues could have easily answered--or even more irritating when it's about something that's not in my bailiwick--and I can only assume it's because he just needs to "speak to a man."
One of those jerks in particular who "needs to speak to a man" and ask me about things I don't even really know for sure instead of going to his female colleagues who do know is a social justice bully-type, highlighting the complete hypocrisy of social justice bullies! The jerk even felt the need to "babysit" the first few training sessions I had with my current (female) apprentice.
It's hopeless. There's nothing that can be done. The Narrative has spoken, and it's my fault because I'm the programmer and an assigned male. I'm responsible for the actions and attitudes of others. The others are married or are women themselves, so they can't possibly be responsible for their own sexism. All I will ever be is a member of a grand cis het shitlord conspiracy to keep women down:(
I'm there with you, needing to remind people that some good idea started with a woman, not me or whoever. I give women everything I can think of to help them learn programming. But it's my fault if they fail or get sexually harassed by an asshole manager or get run out by a lying cocaine addict because I'm the cis het shitlord sexually frustrated misogynerd programmer, so I must have done something to make them fail and chase them out because I'm don't think women should be programmers:(
I may very well even have my current job because of male privilege. All the more reason to get my finances in order so I can leave tech asap and go into a field like commercial fishing that doesn't have this gender lunacy.
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Looks like Notorious G beat me to it. Your numbers are still an intriguing reason to look at breaking up those states. (Personally I wish Texas would just secede already.) I think the more compelling arguments, though, come from the differing geopolitical areas in California and New York. Here's a Wikipedia article for California, since this idea continue to be A Thing over there.
My personal opinion is that states' rights have diminished too far, and I'd agree that some of our states are just way too big. Then again, we shouldn't forget the failure of the Articles of Confederation.
While I'm at it, the Cascadia independence movement was another interesting historical proposal for British Columbia, Washington, and Oregon to secede from Canada and USA and form a new country.
Glad you at least enjoy my attempts at humor, but you're still missing the other point, mi.
At some point in the next week, you will see somebody you've never met before. You will believe this person is a woman. This person will actually be a man.
How do you intend to establish this? Do you perform the Crocodile Dundee maneuver on every woman you meet just to be sure? How do you control for bottom surgery? Do you have a portable ultrasound device or something?
I'm honestly curious. The only reason you know I'm "really" a man is because I gave you that information. Well, and I am posting to /. lol! I guarantee you that once I go deep stealth, there is no way you're going to be able tell without strip searching me.
Do you actually have a way of determining the gender somebody was assigned at birth, or do you just walk around in constant paranoia that every attractive woman around you might actually be a man?
Well, I guess if the former is the case, that would explain some reactions I've gotten upon presenting ID up to and including frightening some poor old man so bad, he jumped up, ran into the back room like he had just seen the devil himself, and called the cops on me.
Oh, trust me. I have ways of torturing people like you who think they can "always" spot somebody not presenting as their assigned gender at birth. Call me a man all you want on the internet lol. It'll only increase the epicness of what will happen later this week.
I'll just leave this here: guevedoce.
You're correct. I haven't been clear. I got triggered.
(Granted, shoehorning class inheritance into Javascript was fun but fundamentally flawed. Still, an interesting exercise.)
I live in a world where, apparently, Ada Lovelace is evidence of my sexism. I wasn't assigned the same gender as her at birth, so therefore, because I chose (even though the warnings should have been clear it was a poor choice) to learn programming, I'm a fucking sexist, end of story. Hey, I was a kid at the time. I didn't understand the complete insanity and gender lunacy that would become programming.
What about Rear Admiral Hopper? Do her accomplishments amount to jack shit? Apparently.
What about Lovelace's work in advancing women in science in general? Nope. Again, jack shit.
Hypatia got a mention up there. She must have been a fantastic individual to accomplish becoming the head librarian of the fucking Library of Alexandria despite the attitudes about women that must have persisted at the time! Granted, she might have been an Amazon, who knows. My alter ego at the red site would probably make up something in regards to that.
Do the SJWs even understand what was in Lovelace's Notes? I doubt it. The ones who have accused me of sexism to my face certainly didn't.
Curie. Tubman. Many others we're leaving out. Yet, Lovelace. Why Lovelace? Why is Lovelace even a trigger for me? Why did I get accused of sexism because I wasn't assigned the same gender at birth, even though I fucking should have?! What the fuck does gender have to do with any of this?
But whatever. This is a man's world, not because it should be, but because the SJWs like it that way. That way we can magnify some rich bitch who lived 150 some odd years ago larger than life just to build the FEEL GUILTY narrative. FEEL GUILTY!
Somebody hook a generator up to Lovelace's spinning corpse. This is certainly not what she indented. If she were alive today, she would be accused of not being a "real" woman and of being a traitor to her own gender. Why? Because if an SJW spent 5 minutes talking to her, they would realize how mentally deficient they are. Then would come the usual accusations. Because womanhood is only one thing, can possibly be only one thing, and we'll beat into submission anyone, cis or trans, that doesn't fit that mold. Womanhood is victimhood! Or at least it is according to man's world.
Why? For the same reason we've got somebody up there pointing out that the important attribute of Lovelace is that she had some kids! I mean, WTF?! FEEL GUILTY, YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE LOVELACE YOU SEXIST! There are many "cisgendered" women who can't have children. Modern medical science is solving those problems one-by-one. You might have remembered one woman who was in the news because she was able to give birth thanks to her mother's uterus being implanted in her. Was she a mentally ill, sexually confused person until she had that procedure? Is the definition of a woman limited to those who have babies? Help me out here.
I don't know. There are two women I know (not me) who need programming jobs. Until that's resolved, any fucking invocation of Lovelace as evidence of sexism is null and void. Any fucking blame directed at me personally for some vast conspiracy of misogynerds keeping women out of programming jobs and go fuck itself. I report asshole sociopath psychologically manipulating managers for sexual harassment when it happens. Do you? I encourage women who have been discriminated against, even if they don't realize it themselves, to file lawsuits. Do you?
I feel I'm the only person actually doing something about the problem with gender diversity in programming. But it's not good enough. Nothing I do ever will be good enough, because I'm not a woman, and so therefore I will always either be a sexist or metaphysical rapist or some other fucking excuse for WHY my efforts will never be good enough, why I
I'm afraid you're the one who is sexually confused. When you see me, you believe I am a woman. Who told you that? I didn't. In fact, I'm surprised when I'm even clearly dressed as a man when you call me "ma'am." Then when you see on my papers that I was assigned the male gender, you'd probably freak the fuck out and blame me for the way you gendered me. But anyway, I digress. Not my problem your image of a trans woman is a man in a dress.
Back on topic. Random trivia: Lovelace also died from uterine cancer at an unfortunately young age.
Yes, different people have different body parts. Biology is messy. Deal with it.
Actually, I'm surprised that Lovelace is idolized as a woman programmer when she had better accomplishments advancing women in the field of science. No love for Rear Admiral Hopper, who designed the first compiler? What about Liskov and her theories?
Nope. We have to go full retard and blame the programming languages themselves. Obviously, Rear Admiral Hopper and Liskov weren't aware that they were promoting sexism by putting forward things like syntax errors and type theories. You sexist cow, Liskov! Putting things into types and objectifying them means you're a part of the vast conspiracy of foisting the patriarchy on women and keeping them out of programming careers!
Mod up. This is truth. (Trust me, I'm not AC any more, nor do I live in the UK, actually I'm kind of surprised [in a bad way] at this account.)
I'm sure plenty of wife beaters and rapists perceive themselves as heroes too so the gatekeepers are in good company.
This nails it. May I count you as a fourth woman who was fucked by SJWs screaming about the lack of women in tech while denying you your very identity?
Oh, they think they're "good guys." They're the "sheep dogs" that herd us all for our own fucking good. And the sheep buy it!
Eh, probably not anymore.
Where is the logic to be found here? I tried to proceed logically, say true. I told women who thought computers were for boys, "You're wrong. Women can be programmers, too!" What did it get me? "ur an asshole!" That's what it got me. "ur sexist." Again, that's what it got me.
There is no logic to be found here. If there were any logic, some feminist would have helped me transition--and I'd be living as a woman today with some hope of a normal life--instead of calling me a quantum rapist (i.e. not even I can know whether I'm a rapist or not because the waveform can only collapse into one state: the observation, i.e. catching me in the act, that I am a rapist no matter what I believe or say or think or feel).
Nope, no logic whatsoever. WHY must the blame fall on me for the lack of female programmers instead of the asshole managers? Who is going after the asshole managers who are actually responsible? Who is using their cis-ness to help convince women that maths aren't hard?! I sure as hell can't help out there! I'm just a metaphysical rapist, somebody to be injected with testosterone against her will!
I'm not the one out there telling girls that maths are hard! I'm not the one turning women off to tech and science. So yeah, pretty much fuck everything until people are willing to come around and see the truth. You can blame me all you want, but it's not going to magically produce more women programmers.
So yeah, call me a misogynist. Makes no difference in the end. Have fun with your self-fulfilling prophecies.
It probably can't, say true. Help me out here, Ms. Crates! I am trying to answer one question: WHY?!
Don't get me wrong. I had a hand in mentoring both, but in the end one was just flat out turned off to tech by a sexually harassing manager, and the other is a better hacker than I am at this point. She mentored me in how to do Javascript correctly (yes, it can be done correctly, amazingly enough--in the end we'd almost implemented actual object oriented class inheritance in javascript!, but that's a story for another day).
At the same time, I stand accused of sexism. I stand accused of rape. Yet nobody can name just who I raped! Nobody can tell me exactly how I'm involved in this massive conspiracy to keep women out of tech.
As far as I can tell, here's the nature of the vast conspiracy: acceptance of complete incompetence of male "developers" (read: javascript/ruby/systemd cowboys) and complete rejection of women who actually know what the fuck they're doing. Place the blame on "misogynerds" like me (don't hate me because I have better luck with men than TERFs) and bingo! A winner!
What I can see from here is that there are fairly useless initiatives such as Canonical's that do absolutely nothing to increase diversity in tech. Then you have TERFs (granted, that's a new term for me, since what's been happening has been happening long before I registered the current UID) out there who blame me personally instead of the asshole managers actually responsible for the fact there are no women in tech.
Who the fuck is doing anything about all the internalized misogyny I see? NOBODY. NOTHING. Sure, just blame me. I'll go away. You still won't have any women in tech. In fact, one less. So make that three women I know personally who have been chased out of tech by this bullshit.
WHY?!
I know, how eloquent! A gentleman... wait.
Let me try again.
All this hand-wavey bullshit about how "misogynerds" like me (again, the premise being that I'm male because I was born with an oversized clitoris) are chasing women out of tech is simply fucking wrong.
Oh, sure, you want to pretend I'm the one being sexist. That fits the convenient bullshit Narrative. You don't go after the asshole managers that chased them out, do you? Why not? Gee, I wonder.
So sure, I'm the one being sexist. I will admit that at this point, yes, those two women are better people than I'll ever be. I let you get to me, and that was a mistake.
I want to be absolutely fucking clear here. Anybody who invokes the difference engine is a cow. (Nods to cow guy up there.) When somebody says "difference engine" in response to Ada Lovelace, they reveal they're a dipshit who doesn't know anything about Lovelace.
Yes, I'm angry. I'm fucking angry. Have you even read her Notes? Has anybody else in this fucking thread read her Notes? I have. Have you? They're pretty good. She predicts MP3 players and video games.
The reason I am angry is that none of the SJWs (expand: social juggalo warriors) who keep pouring on this bullshit have read her Notes. They don't understand a single basic fucking thing about computers, much less the Analytical Engine architecture. Yet, they can conclude, based upon nothing except my assigned gender at birth that I am part of a vast conspiracy to keep women out of tech.
Nope, sorry, bzzzzzt wrong. You never, ever go after the asshole, sexually harassing, bigoted, sexist managers who are the reason those two talented women I know don't have programming jobs. Yes, I said sexual harassment. I busted one manager for sexual harassment, and then he doubled down on whatever the fuck was his deal until she just quit. Yes, I said bigoted and sexist. There is a lawsuit still open for gender discrimination in the case of the other. I hope that fucking asshole executive fucking gets hit with a 6 figure judgement.
Nope, sorry, not the fault of "misogynerds" like me. Not my fault I was born with a clitoris that was a centimeter too large. Go to hell. All of you SJWs can go to hell. Or at least, I don't care. See the username. The first chance I get, the first moment it's financially feasible for me, I am done with tech. Fuck tech. Fuck you. Fuck SJWs. And fuck gaslighting asshole managers.
*sigh*
The difference engine. Really? Seriously?
Repeat after me: Ada Lovelace wrote a program for the Analytical Engine architecture.
I'm sure Babbage's Difference Engine is fascinating, but it can't be programmed. The architecture you're looking for is the Analytical Engine. At least get the basics right.
Here: A Sketch of the Analytical Engine. It has never actually been built, although I understand one of the mills almost was.
The woman page. (That's a joke, son.)
And finally, the table of contents in case I've missed something in my nerd rage.
Ah, I get it! They've moved SJW Friday to Monday. Brilliant!
This still doesn't explain why two very talented women I know don't have programming jobs, you shitlords. This still doesn't explain why both were chased out of the field by asshole managers.
No, he already has his liberal bona fides. Whatever the reasons for his popularity, it's not because of any deeply rooted commitment to the Republicans or conservative ideals, generally.
This is the key. Please see here. Sure, it's WaPo, but it's clear that Trump is doing nothing but trolling. Also see here.
That being said, I like a good troll. Trump is doing classic trolling at its finest. <trump>I know a lot of trolls! I'm very good friends with a lot of trolls!</trump>
Gravity might not exist - it might be the gentle hand of God on everyone's shoulders steadying us as we go through life.
Confirmed!
Canada might work. I looked into it a few years ago, if I were looking at the right things all I'd need to do really is learn French and get an offer of employment to get enough points.
I've also considered Germany since I was nearly fluent in and shortly after high school, not so much any more, but I'm sure it'd come back to me. Actually, that would probably be the option if the "free tuition" I keep hearing about also includes room and board in a dorm and would be offered to somebody who went from straight As to completely burned out in college about a decade and a half ago trying to figure out why I should feel guilty when a woman chooses to wear high heels.
(It was very strange beginning transition while being called an oppressor of women in half my classes and a rapist, also stressful and a bit scary when I wound up doing a group work project with two cis women due to rape culture in a CS class that was also a requirement of the MIS/CIS/similar degree they were going for. On-campus feminist club were TERFs iirc.)
Anyway, thanks for the help.
How does one get a degree with 6+ years of prerequisites which are only available after getting a high school diploma, which requires wasting time in high school learning underwater basket weaving for at least 4 years, which requires another 3 years wasting time being bullied in middle school, which requires another 6 years wasting time at the K-5 level being forced to endure basic shit you mastered in 2nd grade over and over again while being told that because you were assigned the male gender at birth, you don't have access to any of the better projects or opportunities that girls do, because boys are just dumber and you're a boy, no matter what you fucking say or argue, which you can't even start until you're 5 years old?
Help me understand this. I get that Feynman was on the committee. No argument here that he was brilliant and brutally honest. I'm a big fan. Something simply doesn't add up about these 20 year old PhD wunderkinds.
I'd accept time travel as an adequate solution before believing that it's possible to, completely unaided by corruption, money, and connections, earn a PhD at 20 on merit alone.
Agreed.
received a PhD in particle physics at age 20
The older I get, the more I've learned that these wunderkind child prodigies that get advanced degrees before they're old enough to drink (in the US) are more the result of political connections and corruption (and probably gaslighting asshole managers) than anything else.
What did I get from my school for actually accomplishing things? Threats of federal felony prosecution. Oh, and have an AP class, kid. (Oh, I'm forgetting the 1 or 2 grade bump here and there to keep me satisfied that with the just world hypothesis and plenty of FEEL GUILTY FOR BEING ASSIGNED THE MALE GENDER AGAINST YOUR WILL BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN FUCKING DO TO ESCAPE IT instead of actually studying literature in English class!)
Ok, mod this comment -1. I'm going to go here. It's almost SJW Friday and that means I get to read yet more comments reacting to articles about promoting diversity by bitching about how trans women are the most privileged people in the universe. If that were true, why the fuck didn't they offer me the sex change I wanted and instead left me with excruciating physical pain from genital mutilation?!
If this were a conservative administration, they would be blaming the POTUS.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of those blackmailed Liberal vs Conservative.
the current administration does have a track record of looking the other way when conservatives are singled out.
Is this you? Are you a cow or an apping app apper?
Troubling, but it still looks like car crash+fire to me.
Why do your employers try? I'd rather have the cow guy. At least he's occasionally good for a laugh.
When you've got someone who's already transitioned, working in their new identity at a new job, friends and family all know,
Heh, that's my current challenge. I have no family. They didn't have a daughter, therefore they didn't have me, therefore I have no family, hence I have an ex-mother and ex-father, but no current mother and father. I wish that could be reflected legally. I don't want that bunch of Christian fundamentalists, Baptists, and American Reformed as family either. The feeling is mutual. Friends? I managed to fuck that up. Hung out with a bunch of losers.
One thing. If even the informed consent clinic cannot prescribe me alternative meds to continue to prevent involuntary, painful, debilitating erections, well, I might take a compromise. I wonder what the local hospital would do with an assigned male bleeding out in their parking lot, all because he couldn't stand his circumcision or assigned gender any more and found a practical solution to "religious objection!"?
Hehe, I got my units wrong. 40 tons. I thought I'd made a typo. Lol.
How far has /. fallen that the 'editor' didn't think to at least clarify what is being discussed.
Lol. Same way things have always been, unless a 5 or 4 digit UID wants to show me how much of a whippersnapper I'm being?
I don't know. Oddly, I'm tempted to go with authoritarianism over this. I am a CDL holder. I've driven vehicles from two wheelers to eighteen wheelers.
Deaths in vehicle collisions are iirc the number one killer in the USA. I don't think 90% of operator license holders should have those licenses. We should focus on mass transit and city architectures that make owning a massive metal missile unnecessary.
I also know someone who was injured in a pedestrian-vehicle collision. Thankfully, not fatally. Yet it took him a civil lawsuit to even attempt to get money to treat his injuries.
I'm sorry about your buddy. Somehow, I don't mind a vehicle that will radio in when it experiences anomalous conditions. Piloting one of these things is an awesome responsibility. If I royally screwed up while driving 40,000 tons of water (almost did once), I'd want the authorities to be informed immediately, even if I had to face jail time.
Oddly relevant, but I don't think you're the actual apps guy! What does the cow guy have to say about this?
Random feminists do not have access to your birth records.
No, but all it takes is somebody in HR or accounting to decide that it's time to review the employee's records, and what's this? A birth certificate on file with an M! *gasp* A cis het male in a woman-suit fooling us this whole time!
All though, hopefully CRISPRwhatever would qualify as a procedure that would allow one to change that. Who knows I guess. Depends on the state/country of birth.
*sigh*, to think, all I needed was two plastic surgery procedures I could have easily afforded with money I earned myself back then if I'd had a little support to have been, well, maybe not stunningly gorgeous, but definitely hot. I might have achieved "stunningly gorgeous" if I'd had proper medical care beginning when I was 12. Just lucky with genetics and early HRT and simultaneously unlucky with parents and SJWs I guess. I doubt age reversal is possible, at least before I wind up six feet under. Oh well, maybe next life.
I mean, surely an army of hot, young women hackers is worth being flexible about what constitutes a "woman?" Eh, who knows. That reminds me, I need to catch up on my favorite SJW-authored comic about gender mayhem (not Ranma 1/2) I'm not sure why I even bother reading anymore, since it's not really about gender mayhem anymore.
Thanks for the reply. I thought about this through the afternoon. While there's isn't much one pseudo-anonymous person can do for another pseudo-anonymous person on the other side of the internet, I've been scratching my head trying to figure out where I'm going to relocate when the time comes.
I've done a few Googling sessions (the choice is still at least two years away, but it's a big choice). I haven't found much of use. Are there any reliable indicators or data available that could help me figure out how trans-unfriendly different big cities are?
My proximity to the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival might be a possible explanation for my experiences (about half a day drive--I'd probably do Camp Trans, but honestly I don't know why I'd want to get in anyway).
Can you confirm whether or not my theory that there is something seriously rotten with feminism in the midwest is on to something?
The rest of this post is mostly tl;dr.
Basically, I realized that I needed to relocate. Being trans in flyover country is not a workable proposition, especially with internet pharmacies that don't need a valid prescription all but completely shut down these days. I don't even know why I tried or why it took me so long to figure this out. Maybe I let myself be deluded that if I were paid what I'm supposed to be worth by national averages with the cost of living here, I'd be able to afford all the plastic surgery I could stand by the time I was 30 (don't need much though actually). Well, that goal is long gone.
I also swore to myself that I'd never, ever be responsible for any computer system run by proprietary software again. Proprietary software and a vendor stuck in the 80s is what caused the whole situation at work to escalate to a full blown accusation of sexism. (Well, that, and the person who essentially "rallied the cause" has profound ignorance when it comes to computers anyway. We're talking somebody who buys into the "computer languages themselves are sexist" theory. Apparently, having "programmer" in one's job title means that support contracts and laws that prevent me from fixing bugs in proprietary software are nonexistent, not to mention the logistical nightmares I imagined when I was considering learning MSIL [have done some futzing around in assembler and didn't seem too difficult if I were determined] and binary patching the damned thing.)
If that were it, I'm sure I could stay in tech.
I know it's hard, but if you can affect change in your workplace it will help everyone who comes after you, and perhaps allow you to continue in a job you enjoy.
This is a good point in general. I doubt there's any changing my specific workplace, but as I indicated in another comment I just posted, it might be fun to stick around after I go full time just for the lulz. I don't want to burn the bridge down, but staying around for a month or two of drama might be fun and help me find new strategies for dealing with TERFs.
I'll see if the momentum behind the "misogynerd" theory changes and what exactly happens when the eventual quotas come, since if Brianna Wu is any indication, the quotas will be for "womyn-born-womyn" only or at least women rich enough to afford the right surgeries (or just lucky enough to be assigned that gender at birth). I'm guessing that if I started contributing to open source, I wouldn't have difficulties demonstrating my skill and finding a job doing open source programming.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll have to check the laws in my state for updating identifying documents. When I first started over a decade ago (and then promptly stalled because I made the mistake of thinking having a job was more important than being who I was), the birth certificate could be amended I believe, but only after bottom surgery for M2Fs.
Come to think of it, a trans woman who lived with me briefly did mention something about not needing surgery to get a passport with one's lived gender after going full time. Also come to think about it, there are also such things as informed consent clinics these days, so no more ridiculous song and dance trying to convince some gatekeeper psych (or going the more dangerous route of internet pharmacies like I did after giving up with one psych who had never heard that gender change is something people do or else thought it was mental illness and another psych who was only good at transferring money from my bank account to a local university's).
I am within a half day's drive from the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, so maybe that's why I've come up against so many TERFs. I was surprised to learn that Pagan faiths, at least as practiced in this strange enclave of flyover country I was foolish enough to call home, are even more transphobic and homophobic than various brands of Christianity.
... but you WILL be able to help any employer check off a few boxes in terms of diversity ... vive la difference!
I had always figured the diversity checkbox was available for "womyn-born-womyn" only. I'm honestly confused every time on this site and the red site trans women become the "whipping girl" to borrow the title of a book whenever diversity comes up.
One would think it's unpossible that I'm supporting a highly-skilled trans woman who has no income thanks to either transphobia or gender discrimination in general (the lawsuit I've mentioned in other comments may help figure out which, because it's sounding more and more like they're going to find one hell of a skeleton in that place's closet), and I'm too afraid/exasperated to go full time at my current job.
Maybe I'll give it a try when the time comes for the lulz, but I need to get to a larger city.
Any advice on what to look for when trying to judge how trans-unfriendly different big cities are?
Agreed.
I see this mostly from manager-types. I've noted elsewhere that I've watched two women, both who are very bight, get chased out of tech. I've had clients refuse to work with customer service and insist on coming directly to me, and I can only figure it's the "I need to speak to a man" phenomenon. The few men in other departments where I work will come to me with a completely inane question about the system that their female colleagues could have easily answered--or even more irritating when it's about something that's not in my bailiwick--and I can only assume it's because he just needs to "speak to a man."
One of those jerks in particular who "needs to speak to a man" and ask me about things I don't even really know for sure instead of going to his female colleagues who do know is a social justice bully-type, highlighting the complete hypocrisy of social justice bullies! The jerk even felt the need to "babysit" the first few training sessions I had with my current (female) apprentice.
It's hopeless. There's nothing that can be done. The Narrative has spoken, and it's my fault because I'm the programmer and an assigned male. I'm responsible for the actions and attitudes of others. The others are married or are women themselves, so they can't possibly be responsible for their own sexism. All I will ever be is a member of a grand cis het shitlord conspiracy to keep women down :(
I'm there with you, needing to remind people that some good idea started with a woman, not me or whoever. I give women everything I can think of to help them learn programming. But it's my fault if they fail or get sexually harassed by an asshole manager or get run out by a lying cocaine addict because I'm the cis het shitlord sexually frustrated misogynerd programmer, so I must have done something to make them fail and chase them out because I'm don't think women should be programmers :(
I may very well even have my current job because of male privilege. All the more reason to get my finances in order so I can leave tech asap and go into a field like commercial fishing that doesn't have this gender lunacy.