Funny... my soul's just where I left it, thanks very much. Believe it or not, most people here are creators, entrepreneurs, innovators and are highly self-motivated. It's just that we expect a return on our work. Is that too much to ask?
When was the last time you heard of someone paying for a Unix C/C++ compiler? We can thank Cygnus and GCC for that.
Few weeks ago. gcc is nice on some plafforms, not so nice compared to native compilers on others and simply lacks the support of some CPU features on few. OTOH, a lot of commercial Unix C and especially C++ compilers are just pathetic, so developers use gcc instead of them (ex: C++ in HP softbench).
If they had wanted Unix, they would have developed and kept Unix years ago.
Actually they did with SCO help -- Xenix. It sucked as much as their other products, MS abandoned it, SCO tried to develop it further and finally dumped in favor of Unixware (that is a descendant of "original" SVR4.
Reading some umm... texts often makes me ashamed of being a human, yet an alternative of becoming a corpse still isn't bright enough for me to willingly switch to it. The same applies to operating systems.
Does this mean that SGI promises that at the end of this year they will have production-quality X and OpenGL with hardware acceleration support on them? Without that those boxes will be kinda pointless to use -- they are graphics-oriented workstations.
Also is SGI going to do something to get third-party IRIX-based software ported to Linux for those boxes (developers' porting support, conversion library kits)?
Everything runs on one linux box, camera is qcwebcam, and x-10 software soon will be released. x-10 hardware is a bit strange -- it's TW-523 and " TWO-WAY" serial to interface.
I will close the access to this when blinking will become too annoying.
In the current system, a patent is issued to a person. If someone else violates the patent, the person who originally patented the item may sue, however if the person who violated the patent has ample proof that the patent is invalid, then they will win the lawsuit.
This is the wrong part -- the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY and has to prove his innocence while plaintiff doesn't have to present any proof except the fact that he at some point sent patent application, and it was approved (and there was no sufficient proof necessary to get a patent).
If there was a proof requested initially to issue a patent, that proof could be used in the lawsuit to validate the plaintiff's claim, however since there is no sufficient proof (patents are issued without necessary research), and lawsuit is handled like there is one implied by the patent application, it's a violation of defendant's rights.
But then when things were examined more closely and it was shown that out-of-the-box NT whomps Linux butt big time even when some Linux guru has tuned the machine to the max
Any reference to the source of this information? Because otherwise we should assume that you pulled it out of your ass.
As for GPL, it is a joke. It is non-enforceable. Imagine if I incorporate some GNU code in one of my projects and sell the binary. Who is going to catch me? Nobody.
If everybody in the company spent ONLY an extra hour learning Linux stuff (if only we could be that lucky), and the average rate is $50/hour/person, that's $175,000 right there. $175,000 is more than $100,000, theremore, the company saved money installing NT. Did this go over your head?
And how much time did they spend learning NT? End-user training is remarkably easy in all systems in all areas except troubleshooting, and I don't have to point fingers, where end-user has a lot of chances to get his troubleshooting skills applied.
Like someone else said, about the best thing about IE over Netscape is using IE to read Slashdot, because it "backs" up discussion threads as one would think it should be implemented.
The interesting part will be that actual exploit can become trivial. Get illegal copy of software or screw up registration, run it under emulator, wait for vendor to come and analyze what he sent to you. If you are lucky, playback attack will work, otherwise some analysis will be necessary, but nothing beyond stuff, registration numbers cracking requires (except that the quality of debugging environment increased since the time when people cared about cracking registrations).
Another way to cause trouble will be to mess up someone's registration process by spoofing and wait for results.
For Unix systems, netscape was of course a windows programs that was ported over - not as ridiculous as the internet explorer people talking about the simulated Win32 API they made for solaris IE, but still, any windows program ported over to Unix could be a whole lot smoother if rewritten.
Netscape never was ported from Windows to Unix -- development was initially done on IRIX, and then continued as cross-platfrom as possible. Some overuse of multithreading can be considered to be a windows-ism, but other than that Netscape on Unix is a legitimate Unix application (as opposed to MSIE for Solaris that basically brings half of Windoze with it, or, possibly, StarOffice that was written in something, I have no idea about, but it definitely doesn't look like Unix to me).
"Unsupported" glibc2 version works much better. I have also found a strange problem with Dynamic Fonts with Netscape 4.6 on my system, so I had to remove that library, but that was the only thing that was broken.
And then what? Pray to all imaginable gods that new leader will be better? Try to establish diplomatic relationships with Yugoslavia after that? Explain such actions to NATO members and, worse, UN?
Pretending that US is "doing something about Kosovo" except bombing.
Making software and us, computer geeks, look "dangerous".
First one fixes at some extent the impression that CIA and Pentagon did a horrible job collecting military and political information about Serbia/Kosovo and planning current attack, second ones helps getting more money for buying "military" software (from minesweeper to Quake II), paying for "advanced" military projects (Yorktown), developing more advanced "military" intelligence (to steal commercial secrets), and pushing laws about encryption, reverse engineering, development of security tools, etc up to the death penalty for the use of traceroute and queso.
the problem right now is that Mr. Mislovec has been sending out groups of army people, who have been roaming the countryside and doing horrible things to ethnic albaninans.
I assume, this is the example of "cyberwar" -- spreading misinformation on slashdot.
I'm afraid, after all losses will be counted, it will be found that US/NATO bombing killed more civilians in Kosovo than Serbian army and KLA taken together. AFAIK, Milosevich's goal is to deport Albanians from Kosovo, not to kill them, and while it's still bad and unhuman, it's completely different from killing those people.
Of course, US propaganda after few weak attempts of calling Milosevich actions "genocide" will never use any other term than "ethnic cleansing" -- it's vague eniugh to imply "genocide" without actually saying it.
Offense none my friend, but one of the primary reasons for the Second World War was the fact that the US wanted to keep out of international affairs. As a result, organizations such as the League of Nations had no real power.
This is a very creative explanation and very offensive statement, to say the least. Americans didn't help their allies when they were asked to, and this is one of the reasons why war taken that long and claimed that many lives, however I recommend you to study the history of pre-war Europe if you want to know what cause rise of Nazi and WWII. Of course, as a good American patriot, you probably also think that Americans' actions in Europe at the very end of war had significant impact on the defeat of Nazi.
I probably also have to remind you that KLA is not an US ally, and at least formally is still a terrorist organization, participating in a civil war.
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Thompson: Operating systems, in particular, have to carry so much baggage. Today, if you're going to do something that will have any impact, you have to compete with Microsoft, and to do that you have to carry the weight of all the browsers, Word, Office, and everything else. Even if you write a better operating system, nobody who actually uses computers today knows what an operating system interface is; their interface is the browser or Office.
You can have the best and most beautiful interface in the world and the most extensible operating system that ports to anything and then you have to port on top of it a thousand staff-years worth of applications that you can't obtain the source for. You have two choices: Go to Microsoft and ask for the source to Office to port to your operating system and they'll laugh at you; or get a user's manual and re-engineer the code and they'll sue you anyway. Basically, it'll never happen because the entry fee is too high.
Anything new will have to come along with the type of revolution that came along with Unix. Nothing was going to topple IBM until something came along that made them irrelevant. I'm sure they have the mainframe market locked up, but that's just irrelevant. And the same thing with Microsoft: Until something comes along that makes them irrelevant, the entry fee is too difficult and they won't be displaced.
In other words, he simply does not believe that anything short of completely new paradigm will replace Microsoft and Office. I can only interpret it as acknowledgement of Unix defeat at the market, so he definitely will see Linux as fighting the lost battle -- in his opinion it should be his battle, and it doesn't look nice for him that someone is still fighting it after he quit.
Yet it's a different battle. Plan9 and Inferno, while based on nice ideas, never were intended to be widely used -- it's the same elitism that managed to hurt *BSD developers recently. Regardless of what Ken Thompson thinks, Unix can compete in the area where Windows "won", and this direction is ortogonal to the development of plan9/inferno/...
Unix fathers can continue pure-research-oriented development and even switch to Windows for their everyday work, however I don't feel that it gives them right to dismiss the continuation of Unixlike OS development at the extent of denying its viability. Especially in the case when it is not true, and I believe that Ken Thompson bases his opinion on something other than facts.
Even if it was as bad everywhere else (what isn't true), it still sucks in extreme. A lot of people can't tolerate my criticism of US because they assume that if I live in this country I have to like everything here. Sorry to disappoint them, it's wrong. When I lived in Russia I criticized Russia even more, and I honestly believe that valid criticism can help to make things better. Misplaced "patriotism" like in the previous message is one of the reasons that keep society from improvement.
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I can understand not trying to encode Unicode on one hand (or even both hands and both feet!) but it doesn't even include European characters
There is no such thing as Unicode input, and no one seriously uses Unicode anyway. Non-ASCII keyboards are the same as American ones, with additional switches between alphabets or parts of alphabet or shift/prefix/... keys that affect one letter. They are often implemented as key combinations on normal keyboard -- for example, my keyboard switches between ASCII and Cyrillic subsets of koi8 by (Left Shift)+(Right Shift>).
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Funny... my soul's just where I left it, thanks very much. Believe it or not, most people here are creators, entrepreneurs, innovators and are highly self-motivated. It's just that we expect a return on our work. Is that too much to ask?
You ask more -- way more -- than your work worth.
When was the last time you heard of someone paying for a Unix C/C++ compiler? We can thank Cygnus and GCC for that.
Few weeks ago. gcc is nice on some plafforms, not so nice compared to native compilers on others and simply lacks the support of some CPU features on few. OTOH, a lot of commercial Unix C and especially C++ compilers are just pathetic, so developers use gcc instead of them (ex: C++ in HP softbench).
If they had wanted Unix, they would have developed and kept Unix years ago.
Actually they did with SCO help -- Xenix. It sucked as much as their other products, MS abandoned it, SCO tried to develop it further and finally dumped in favor of Unixware (that is a descendant of "original" SVR4.
Reading some umm... texts often makes me ashamed of being a human, yet an alternative of becoming a corpse still isn't bright enough for me to willingly switch to it. The same applies to operating systems.
Does this mean that SGI promises that at the end of this year they will have production-quality X and OpenGL with hardware acceleration support on them? Without that those boxes will be kinda pointless to use -- they are graphics-oriented workstations.
Also is SGI going to do something to get third-party IRIX-based software ported to Linux for those boxes (developers' porting support, conversion library kits)?
My apartment is visible at http://phobos.illtel.denv er.co.us/~abelits/apartment.php3 -- two webcams and x-10 devices that can be controlled through HTTP.
Everything runs on one linux box, camera is qcwebcam, and x-10 software soon will be released. x-10 hardware is a bit strange -- it's TW-523 and " TWO-WAY" serial to interface.
I will close the access to this when blinking will become too annoying.
In the current system, a patent is issued to a person. If someone else violates the patent, the person who originally patented the item may sue, however if the person who violated the patent has ample proof that the patent is invalid, then they will win the lawsuit.
This is the wrong part -- the defendant is PRESUMED GUILTY and has to prove his innocence while plaintiff doesn't have to present any proof except the fact that he at some point sent patent application, and it was approved (and there was no sufficient proof necessary to get a patent).
If there was a proof requested initially to issue a patent, that proof could be used in the lawsuit to validate the plaintiff's claim, however since there is no sufficient proof (patents are issued without necessary research), and lawsuit is handled like there is one implied by the patent application, it's a violation of defendant's rights.
But then when things were examined more closely and it was shown that out-of-the-box NT whomps Linux butt big time even when some Linux guru has tuned the machine to the max
Any reference to the source of this information? Because otherwise we should assume that you pulled it out of your ass.
As for GPL, it is a joke. It is non-enforceable. Imagine if I incorporate some GNU code in one of my projects and sell the binary. Who is going to catch me? Nobody.
Your employee that will see it, for example.
If everybody in the company spent ONLY an extra hour learning Linux stuff (if only we could be that lucky), and the average rate is $50/hour/person, that's $175,000 right there. $175,000 is more than $100,000, theremore, the company saved money installing NT. Did this go over your head?
And how much time did they spend learning NT? End-user training is remarkably easy in all systems in all areas except troubleshooting, and I don't have to point fingers, where end-user has a lot of chances to get his troubleshooting skills applied.
Like someone else said, about the best thing about IE over Netscape is using IE to read Slashdot, because it "backs" up discussion threads as one would think it should be implemented.
And until it's done use the middle button.
The interesting part will be that actual exploit can become trivial. Get illegal copy of software or screw up registration, run it under emulator, wait for vendor to come and analyze what he sent to you. If you are lucky, playback attack will work, otherwise some analysis will be necessary, but nothing beyond stuff, registration numbers cracking requires (except that the quality of debugging environment increased since the time when people cared about cracking registrations).
Another way to cause trouble will be to mess up someone's registration process by spoofing and wait for results.
For Unix systems, netscape was of course a windows programs that was ported over - not as ridiculous as the internet explorer people talking about the simulated Win32 API they made for solaris IE, but still, any windows program ported over to Unix could be a whole lot smoother if rewritten.
Netscape never was ported from Windows to Unix -- development was initially done on IRIX, and then continued as cross-platfrom as possible. Some overuse of multithreading can be considered to be a windows-ism, but other than that Netscape on Unix is a legitimate Unix application (as opposed to MSIE for Solaris that basically brings half of Windoze with it, or, possibly, StarOffice that was written in something, I have no idea about, but it definitely doesn't look like Unix to me).
"Unsupported" glibc2 version works much better. I have also found a strange problem with Dynamic Fonts with Netscape 4.6 on my system, so I had to remove that library, but that was the only thing that was broken.
And then what? Pray to all imaginable gods that new leader will be better? Try to establish diplomatic relationships with Yugoslavia after that? Explain such actions to NATO members and, worse, UN?
First one fixes at some extent the impression that CIA and Pentagon did a horrible job collecting military and political information about Serbia/Kosovo and planning current attack, second ones helps getting more money for buying "military" software (from minesweeper to Quake II), paying for "advanced" military projects (Yorktown), developing more advanced "military" intelligence (to steal commercial secrets), and pushing laws about encryption, reverse engineering, development of security tools, etc up to the death penalty for the use of traceroute and queso.
Cool :-\
the problem right now is that Mr. Mislovec has been sending out groups of army people, who have been roaming the countryside and doing horrible things to ethnic albaninans.
I assume, this is the example of "cyberwar" -- spreading misinformation on slashdot.
I'm afraid, after all losses will be counted, it will be found that US/NATO bombing killed more civilians in Kosovo than Serbian army and KLA taken together. AFAIK, Milosevich's goal is to deport Albanians from Kosovo, not to kill them, and while it's still bad and unhuman, it's completely different from killing those people.
Of course, US propaganda after few weak attempts of calling Milosevich actions "genocide" will never use any other term than "ethnic cleansing" -- it's vague eniugh to imply "genocide" without actually saying it.
Offense none my friend, but one of the primary reasons for the Second World War was the fact that the US wanted to keep out of international affairs. As a result, organizations such as the League of Nations had no real power.
This is a very creative explanation and very offensive statement, to say the least. Americans didn't help their allies when they were asked to, and this is one of the reasons why war taken that long and claimed that many lives, however I recommend you to study the history of pre-war Europe if you want to know what cause rise of Nazi and WWII. Of course, as a good American patriot, you probably also think that Americans' actions in Europe at the very end of war had significant impact on the defeat of Nazi.
I probably also have to remind you that KLA is not an US ally, and at least formally is still a terrorist organization, participating in a civil war.
2 = 4 + 5 = + 9 7 = 3 / -
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2 = 4 + 5 = 9 + 7 = 3 / -
Isn't that Microsoft, too? Because breaking others' applications is a standard practice for Microsoft.
Says a lot about "having a roadmap".
No, but I will pay $10 for MEEPT!
Thompson: Operating systems, in particular, have to carry so much baggage. Today, if you're going to do something that will have any impact, you have to compete with Microsoft, and to do that you have to carry the weight of all the browsers, Word, Office, and everything else. Even if you write a better operating system, nobody who actually uses computers today knows what an operating system interface is; their interface is the browser or Office.
You can have the best and most beautiful interface in the world and the most extensible operating system that ports to anything and then you have to port on top of it a thousand staff-years worth of applications that you can't obtain the source for. You have two choices: Go to Microsoft and ask for the source to Office to port to your operating system and they'll laugh at you; or get a user's manual and re-engineer the code and they'll sue you anyway. Basically, it'll never happen because the entry fee is too high.
Anything new will have to come along with the type of revolution that came along with Unix. Nothing was going to topple IBM until something came along that made them irrelevant. I'm sure they have the mainframe market locked up, but that's just irrelevant. And the same thing with Microsoft: Until something comes along that makes them irrelevant, the entry fee is too difficult and they won't be displaced.
In other words, he simply does not believe that anything short of completely new paradigm will replace Microsoft and Office. I can only interpret it as acknowledgement of Unix defeat at the market, so he definitely will see Linux as fighting the lost battle -- in his opinion it should be his battle, and it doesn't look nice for him that someone is still fighting it after he quit.
Yet it's a different battle. Plan9 and Inferno, while based on nice ideas, never were intended to be widely used -- it's the same elitism that managed to hurt *BSD developers recently. Regardless of what Ken Thompson thinks, Unix can compete in the area where Windows "won", and this direction is ortogonal to the development of plan9/inferno/...
Unix fathers can continue pure-research-oriented development and even switch to Windows for their everyday work, however I don't feel that it gives them right to dismiss the continuation of Unixlike OS development at the extent of denying its viability. Especially in the case when it is not true, and I believe that Ken Thompson bases his opinion on something other than facts.
Even if it was as bad everywhere else (what isn't true), it still sucks in extreme. A lot of people can't tolerate my criticism of US because they assume that if I live in this country I have to like everything here. Sorry to disappoint them, it's wrong. When I lived in Russia I criticized Russia even more, and I honestly believe that valid criticism can help to make things better. Misplaced "patriotism" like in the previous message is one of the reasons that keep society from improvement.
I can understand not trying to encode Unicode on one hand (or even both hands and both feet!) but it doesn't even include European characters
There is no such thing as Unicode input, and no one seriously uses Unicode anyway. Non-ASCII keyboards are the same as American ones, with additional switches between alphabets or parts of alphabet or shift/prefix/... keys that affect one letter. They are often implemented as key combinations on normal keyboard -- for example, my keyboard switches between ASCII and Cyrillic subsets of koi8 by (Left Shift)+(Right Shift>).
$ telnet www.mrl.nyu.edu 80 /perlin/demos/Quikwrite.prc HTTP/1.0
Trying 128.122.47.64...
Connected to MRL.NYU.EDU.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Netscape-Enterprise/3.6
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:28:58 GMT
Content-type: text/plain
Last-modified: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:44:03 GMT
Content-length: 5446
Accept-ranges: bytes
Connection: close
Connection closed by foreign host.
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