And how exactly is Qt signal/slot system a "giant wave of bloat"?
It does not belong in the language standard. There is nothing wrong with it being handled by a preprocessor, it just should not be in the language.
It's about all you can do without having real compiler support, so you need a LISP runtime, or a JVM or CLR to get it any less bloated.
Runtime/libraries, though are handled by the same organizations and included in the same documents, are distinct from the language itself. C running on microcontrollers is not any less C when it uses nonstandard or rudimentary libraries. When libraries contaminate the language design, language becomes an amorphous blob of squishy mess.
Yeah, "ISO" standard. Just like.docx Decisions are made by Microsoft, only by Microsoft, and only for the benefit of Microsoft.
Of course, Microsoft is busy trying to subvert C and C++ standards, too, but the key word is "trying". C# is their language to begin with, and they are in full control.
What is so bad about taking money from a rich asshole who produces nothing but pain, suffering and occasional death, and use those money to pay for education of thousands of people who both benefit from it and do something helpful for others?
Most people who work in English-speaking country but whose native language is not English, first only learn techical English that is applicable to their profession, then s-l-o-w-l-y the rest of the language. For someone unfamiliar with their work, they may look ignorant and stupid for years (decades if they end up in an insular community of immigrants, but that's genuinely stupid in its own right).
Then, there are countries that have just large enough percentage of people speaking English to develop its own dialect of English, but not large enough for that dialect to become known and accepted worldwide.
If tomorrow Microsoft will decide that C# must implement Qt slot/signal syntax and semantics internally, all C# implementations will have to implement Qt slot/signal syntax and semantics, or they will no longer be considered C#.
If Bjarne Stroustrup will declare the same with C++, Qt developers will support it, everyone else will tell them and Bjarne to go away, and there won't be a giant wave of bloat going through development of all compilers everywhere, blocking all useful work. Despite the fact that Qt is extremely popular among C++ programmers.
It looks more like a massively crippled platform with Sony trying to control access to the least-popular Sony-branded devices. Any combination of 2D and 3D game engines for Android would be superior in all possible ways except for Sony name not being attached to it.
No PS3 support. Only one device (PS Vita) that has a chance to be ever used by anyone. Windows-only release based on Mono (and loudly proclaimed announcement that not even OSX will be supported). Proprietary language controlled by a major competitor (yes, it is proprietary -- C and C++ are open, C# is proprietary). 2D only. Free (in either meaning of the word) applications and games are not allowed. Sony reserves the right to prevent anyone from using it after beta. Everyone who will be allowed by Sony to use it after beta, has to pay Sony.
This interpretation has been largely relegated to cocktail conversations by mystics and New Age types.
FTFY.
"Measurement" means "some interaction happened with a system that changes its state somehow reflecting the parameter being measured". The nature of that system (a.k.a. measurement equipment) is completely irrelevant, it just has to be treated as a part of the experiment and included into any model describing it, or that model will be incomplete.
What evidence do you have that the data and its analysis is inaccurate?
There is no "data". All Brian Proffitt does is posting random snippets of cherry-picked data and attaches some anti-open-source rambling to it. It can't possibly be a result of anything other than a propaganda effort.
Also, who the fuck made you in charge of what is deemed acceptable to be posted on Slashdot?
Why shouldn't I complain about that? How else would editors know that they fucked up?
If you don't like it why are you here?
Actually majority of Slashdot readers agree with me.
Your purpose here is just to post inflammatory anti-ms propaganda. Why should you be allowed to do that?
I do not care about idiots' opinions, I care about their constant postings misleading others. Therefore I find it important to mark obvious propaganda and demonstrate idiocy of my opponents when they clearly are idiots or trying to make an idiotic but seemingly valid argument when they know they are wrong.
None of your points support the statement that you originally made, which was that enterprise features require constant network connectivity.
They do for everything "enterprise-related", and current state of proclaimed "enterprise features" is incompatible with a mobile device.
You are adding FUD by implying that a company phone couldn't make phone calls unless it is connected to the domain, and by bringing up theft issues which also have nothing to do with connecting to Windows domains.
A tablet or a phone must be able to deal with more than making calls. Handling address books, installing and updating software, etc. all require constant connectivity with servers, something that can't be expected on a mobile device. This is supposed to be acceptable for a "company laptop" but not for anything smaller.
Let's see how clear I can be about this... The US basically has three levels of government. At a very (*very*) high level, they work something like this:
Local government (municipality or county, often both) deals with local roads, zoning, sometimes select utilities (sewer is city run here), local police forces, fire dept, oftentimes things like homeless shelters and other services.
They are poor, corrupt and are likely to allow idiotic scams such as polce funding itself by giving out massive numbers of tickets catching cars in convenient "hunting grounds" at the expense of traffic safety. Petty stuff like this.
State government deals with state highways, a chunk of education funding, judicial system (and corrections, usually), state laws. State and local governments can be funded through sales, property, or income taxes and it varies from state to state. Mine is through property (at the county level) and sales (at the state level).
They are corrupt and completely beholden to local nutcases from rich and almost-rich elite, so they combine political extremism and immunity to common sense. They are also responsible for public education, so whenever you hear of some Americans include teaching of religion in public schools, or mess with funding of universities, it's those bastards.
Federal (washington) deals with international relations, trade and currency, tariffs, national defense, national highways, managing the vast tracts of public land. The federal government is primarily funded by a national income tax.
That's the only level of the government that is not actually poor (as in, the government agencies), so everything that matters has to happen on this level. Legislature (Congress) however is still corrupt because a Congressman will lose his seat unless he spends most of his time begging money for his re-election campaign. Only richest of the rich people and large companies (or, in case of Democrats, nationalwide trade unions) can afford to bribe those people in the form of those election donations.
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And how exactly is Qt signal/slot system a "giant wave of bloat"?
It does not belong in the language standard. There is nothing wrong with it being handled by a preprocessor, it just should not be in the language.
It's about all you can do without having real compiler support, so you need a LISP runtime, or a JVM or CLR to get it any less bloated.
Runtime/libraries, though are handled by the same organizations and included in the same documents, are distinct from the language itself. C running on microcontrollers is not any less C when it uses nonstandard or rudimentary libraries. When libraries contaminate the language design, language becomes an amorphous blob of squishy mess.
Yeah, "ISO" standard. Just like .docx
Decisions are made by Microsoft, only by Microsoft, and only for the benefit of Microsoft.
Of course, Microsoft is busy trying to subvert C and C++ standards, too, but the key word is "trying". C# is their language to begin with, and they are in full control.
Do you see a difference between a C++ standard committee and Microsoft?
it's unfortunate that your experience with the Linux community left you with the impression that most are like that.
Indeed! I would prefer if Microsoft astroturfers' experience with the Linux community entirely consisted of being punched in the face.
What is so bad about taking money from a rich asshole who produces nothing but pain, suffering and occasional death, and use those money to pay for education of thousands of people who both benefit from it and do something helpful for others?
Most people who work in English-speaking country but whose native language is not English, first only learn techical English that is applicable to their profession, then s-l-o-w-l-y the rest of the language. For someone unfamiliar with their work, they may look ignorant and stupid for years (decades if they end up in an insular community of immigrants, but that's genuinely stupid in its own right).
Then, there are countries that have just large enough percentage of people speaking English to develop its own dialect of English, but not large enough for that dialect to become known and accepted worldwide.
Computer Science is running software at peak efficiency.
Hearing pearls like this makes me suspect that some professions and degrees are actually mental diseases.
It's a slave owner that allows slaves to do any work, and hence be productive.
Hey, I have found a solution for all economic problems -- we need slavery and lots and lots of slave owners!
Java is also proprietary, just less idiosyncratic (what is really an accomplishment for C#, to be more idiosyncratic than even Java).
C# is proprietary.
If tomorrow Microsoft will decide that C# must implement Qt slot/signal syntax and semantics internally, all C# implementations will have to implement Qt slot/signal syntax and semantics, or they will no longer be considered C#.
If Bjarne Stroustrup will declare the same with C++, Qt developers will support it, everyone else will tell them and Bjarne to go away, and there won't be a giant wave of bloat going through development of all compilers everywhere, blocking all useful work. Despite the fact that Qt is extremely popular among C++ programmers.
It looks more like a massively crippled platform with Sony trying to control access to the least-popular Sony-branded devices. Any combination of 2D and 3D game engines for Android would be superior in all possible ways except for Sony name not being attached to it.
It looks like it has some 3D support, but absence of an actual 3D game engine still stands out.
No PS3 support. Only one device (PS Vita) that has a chance to be ever used by anyone.
Windows-only release based on Mono (and loudly proclaimed announcement that not even OSX will be supported).
Proprietary language controlled by a major competitor (yes, it is proprietary -- C and C++ are open, C# is proprietary).
2D only.
Free (in either meaning of the word) applications and games are not allowed.
Sony reserves the right to prevent anyone from using it after beta.
Everyone who will be allowed by Sony to use it after beta, has to pay Sony.
That's like Nokia and Sony had a baby.
This interpretation has been largely relegated to cocktail conversations by mystics and New Age types.
FTFY.
"Measurement" means "some interaction happened with a system that changes its state somehow reflecting the parameter being measured". The nature of that system (a.k.a. measurement equipment) is completely irrelevant, it just has to be treated as a part of the experiment and included into any model describing it, or that model will be incomplete.
What evidence do you have that the data and its analysis is inaccurate?
There is no "data". All Brian Proffitt does is posting random snippets of cherry-picked data and attaches some anti-open-source rambling to it. It can't possibly be a result of anything other than a propaganda effort.
Also, who the fuck made you in charge of what is deemed acceptable to be posted on Slashdot?
Why shouldn't I complain about that? How else would editors know that they fucked up?
If you don't like it why are you here?
Actually majority of Slashdot readers agree with me.
Your purpose here is just to post inflammatory anti-ms propaganda. Why should you be allowed to do that?
I do not care about idiots' opinions, I care about their constant postings misleading others. Therefore I find it important to mark obvious propaganda and demonstrate idiocy of my opponents when they clearly are idiots or trying to make an idiotic but seemingly valid argument when they know they are wrong.
None of your points support the statement that you originally made, which was that enterprise features require constant network connectivity.
They do for everything "enterprise-related", and current state of proclaimed "enterprise features" is incompatible with a mobile device.
You are adding FUD by implying that a company phone couldn't make phone calls unless it is connected to the domain, and by bringing up theft issues which also have nothing to do with connecting to Windows domains.
A tablet or a phone must be able to deal with more than making calls. Handling address books, installing and updating software, etc. all require constant connectivity with servers, something that can't be expected on a mobile device. This is supposed to be acceptable for a "company laptop" but not for anything smaller.
you'll know what the kids no and what they need to learn
You made one mistake, and now everyone must assume that you do not understand the difference between "know" and "no". Welcome to the short bus!
Maybe this is because they are Republicans, College Student Edition.
That would be "US government will accomplish in your country what you don't want but should!"
Let's see how clear I can be about this... The US basically has three levels of government. At a very (*very*) high level, they work something like this:
Local government (municipality or county, often both) deals with local roads, zoning, sometimes select utilities (sewer is city run here), local police forces, fire dept, oftentimes things like homeless shelters and other services.
They are poor, corrupt and are likely to allow idiotic scams such as polce funding itself by giving out massive numbers of tickets catching cars in convenient "hunting grounds" at the expense of traffic safety. Petty stuff like this.
State government deals with state highways, a chunk of education funding, judicial system (and corrections, usually), state laws. State and local governments can be funded through sales, property, or income taxes and it varies from state to state. Mine is through property (at the county level) and sales (at the state level).
They are corrupt and completely beholden to local nutcases from rich and almost-rich elite, so they combine political extremism and immunity to common sense. They are also responsible for public education, so whenever you hear of some Americans include teaching of religion in public schools, or mess with funding of universities, it's those bastards.
Federal (washington) deals with international relations, trade and currency, tariffs, national defense, national highways, managing the vast tracts of public land. The federal government is primarily funded by a national income tax.
That's the only level of the government that is not actually poor (as in, the government agencies), so everything that matters has to happen on this level. Legislature (Congress) however is still corrupt because a Congressman will lose his seat unless he spends most of his time begging money for his re-election campaign. Only richest of the rich people and large companies (or, in case of Democrats, nationalwide trade unions) can afford to bribe those people in the form of those election donations.
If it's not society's fault, it's your competitor's fault.
Since when common people have "competitors"?
It's a rotten community if it needs charity.
inb4
gb2/b/
No.
That's no fun with xkcd Hat Guy.