Before people go apoplectic keep in mind the concept of medical tourism, where people go overseas to places like India for heart or other major surgeries for ten cents on the dollar or less, with success rates that are only marginally worse than that in the US.
There's more to competition than just nominal competitors. Hampering, even due to well-meaning regulations, transparently occurs, and to our detriment.
Go watch the Tucker film, about the guy trying to start a competitor to the big car companies in the 1950s. The big companies used every manner of regulation, requiring expensive development and lawyers and nitpicking, just to satisfy, and used it to effectively bar entry into the market.
All done 100% "in the name of the people's safety".
Fair enough, if you still wanna defend utterly massive regulation, but you pay for it in increased costs. Apparently about 5-10x in increased costs in medicine in the US.
A lint program would have to know a particular compiler's strategy in dealing with undefined issues, as well as optimization strategies, to uncover issues like this.
Most code analyzers, from old school lint thru new stuff like NASA's Polyspace, assume code at the syntactic level. Hence a new tool is needed (and seems ongoingly labor-intensive, given the need to be compiler-specific.)
> I haven't heard of any compiler that removes code just because it contains undefined behavior.
The description is bad. They are free to decide what to do with undefined behavior in implementation, as any actual compiler must, and it's this variance that's the problem, depending on both compiler and optimization levels.
They're not saying, "this construction is technically undefined, so I'm gonna optimize it away without notifying the programmer." Rather they're just picking something to do, which then, thanks to reasonable optimization strategy, ends up deleting a chunk of code.
Not necessarily. If said cars kill fewer people than humans, it's still an improvement that should be done.
The problems are lawsuits. A drug that saves 90% of cancer patients but kills 1 in 10 independently will have it's ass handed to it in civil. court -- assuming it makes it past the FDA.
Would that outcomes analysis be applied to government activities and civil lawsuit lawyers ' claims of bettering the system as they fatten their wallets.
IRQs will piggyback atop the main stack. Since control does not devolve back to that thread until the IRQ finishes, this is perfectly fine. However you have to consider IRQ's worst-case use atop your thread's worst-case.
We don't use an OS so OS stack use isn't an issue. Obscured recursion as chains of functions call each other in hidden ways is something to consider.
I respond with popcorn and a TV on CNN. I like watching humanity get stunned when multi-century cities get clobbered with multi-century storms. Or flood plains. Or earthquakes.
Welcome to Nashville, a city waiting to die, with crappy earthquake standards even though that's the region with the most violent earthquakes in the continental US.
"I also predicted this due to ever-growing social spending leading to increasing cost-cutting pressures on everything else. I'd like to claim authorship of this repeatedly successful prediction method, but I cannot."
I want a lot more RAM and an FM receiver. There is so little RAM in my bloatware-choked Verizon phone, every time I switch apps, then go back to browsing, the browser has to download the page again because it got killed off.This busts my data cap and incurs more charges. Didn't Verizon realize this when they limited RAM and loaded up most free space with unkillable bloatware?
It sounds like they didn't know what they were doing would lead to these extra charges to their customers which then went into their pockets.
"The sameattitude extends to all STEM subject. The next step in the argument is — why teach physics, chemistry, biology, and math (as distinct from arithmetic) to anyone but exceptionally dumb weirdos.
"Now get back in your holes and invent nice stuff so the rest of us won't live as we deserve, left to our own devices: animals hunting and gathering and fighting.
I'm going to throw out a suggestion: Consider becoming the first modern parlimentary system to adopt a constitutional style list of powers explicitely forbidden to government.
It has warts, but is seems to work fine by keeping pleading arguments for censorship dead on arrival. Do it with a supermajority such that a supermajority is required to repeal it.
> [snakes] ultimately endowed us with forward-facing eyes
No they didn't. Swinging through trees did. There are two main reasons animals develop forward-facing AKA binocular vision: swinging through trees and being a hunting animal (lions, tigers, and bears).
Otherwise independent eyes on the sides of your head are preferred so you can spot the lions, tigers, and bears.
I wonder if bears initially got it because they are related to raccoons, tree climbers.
Capitalism just pushes prices down to where cmpetitive entry is not worth it. In the 1950s, our fine government jailed Alcoa executives for the monopolistic practice of keeping aluminum prices way, way too low.
By the way, Europe wouldn't have all this high-speed routing left to their own devices. It's easy for a politician to use tech someone else's many billions developed to satisfy the American market and then turn around and scream capitalism suxxorz!!1!11
See also them handing out cures for free, decrying the US as costing lives when they invent a fraction we do and the importance of invention is several magnitudes greater than making sure everybody has insurance, as far as measured saved lives go. But you need an analysis that includes slower tech development due to business-unfriendly environments.
Sadly, no one parades a million deaths a year worldwide because our tech is 2013-level instead of 2023-level this year, because Europe's rate of invention is lower than the US and has been for 50 years.
By the way, let me clarify -- by "a disturbing attitude to have", I mean getting a boner at the idea of Congress being able to create classes of citizens who must give up First Amendment rights as a price of participation. These are not people working for the government in a secret agency.
> I disagree. Corporations gain special tax and liability advantages - requiring > them to give up rights is a a reasonable cost for that.
First of all, that's a disturbing attitude to have.
Second, the Supreme Court is starting to disagree -- there is nothing in the Constitution that grants Congress the power to create classes of citizens, with Congress getting to dictating which Constitutional freedoms Congress is prevented from abridging to magically be able to abridge.
In the moral confusion promoted by global capitalism, "apex predator" became a term of approval - even among the prey.
It should be -- he's a visionary seeing where things are going and is making it happen. In this sense, capitalism is doing its proper, beneficial job: providing better, cheaper, more convenient services and products.
People will find other things to do -- they always have. 150 years ago, if you had said only 2% of the population would be working farms instead of over 90, politicians would scream, "what the hell, what are they all gonna do, starve?". Yet populations skyrocketted as did health and food continued getting cheaper.
These same assholes now provide government price supports to keep it from getting too cheap -- apparently the remaining 2% is just right, and 1.5% or 1% is wrong.
These idiotic meme-virus ideas of propriety should be laughed at instead of giving controlling influence.
All this blather and government planning and so on.
Oh no, we need officials to wring their hands about making sure gas stations get constructed for them newfangled internal combustion engines!
Oh no! We need government wheat distribution and stables and inns along travel routes so people can have a place for their horses when traveling, and a place to stay the night!
Stop and listen to yourselves. Go read a book or watch TV or something.
They're up against their deadlines though for penalties (which they've waived thru March, which is logical, but not legal, as there is no Constitutional authority for the president to flat-out decline to enforce laws.)
Interestingly, the left has tried using the courts in the past to force the Bush administration to do a better job of creating environmental regulation (forget merely enforcing existing ones), which, though they sound like laws, squirm through constitutionality by being treated as part of enforcement of laws, which is the President's job.
Snotty, over-priced stock software corporation + millions of product copies in the field + deaths = lawyers = guess what, your stock becomes like a car company's.
There are ways to deal with this, but it involves massive process and redundancy and code reviews and design reviews and detailed checks of Lint, QAC, Polyspace, a dozen other checkers, software watchdogs that, by the way, damned well never actually be needed, etc.
Ya better put down the keyboard and get some training for a few months.
It also does little to protect against NSA letters at the destination sites. Everybody except the government can't see what you're doing.
For the wayback machine, this could actually be an NSA goldmine to find terrorists...or people digging up dirt on other politicians...or businesses looking things up.
Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
A few decades back, when many western companies were opening trade to Cuba, the US passed a law that any Cuban who had their property seized in the revolution could sue foreign companies that operated in both Cuba and the US for those losses.
In both cases, sovereign nations that cannot directly be brought to bear can have their arms twisted indirectly via hurting the private citizens' companies, which the politicians will definitely notice and feel.
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That's like finding out Kim Kardashian's ass is much bigger than originally thought.
> If the cops in CA are anything like the MD/DC cops, PACE method means they get to
> make up whatever they want about how fast you were going.
That'll teach her to not turn on recording to prove herself!
Before people go apoplectic keep in mind the concept of medical tourism, where people go overseas to places like India for heart or other major surgeries for ten cents on the dollar or less, with success rates that are only marginally worse than that in the US.
There's more to competition than just nominal competitors. Hampering, even due to well-meaning regulations, transparently occurs, and to our detriment.
Go watch the Tucker film, about the guy trying to start a competitor to the big car companies in the 1950s. The big companies used every manner of regulation, requiring expensive development and lawyers and nitpicking, just to satisfy, and used it to effectively bar entry into the market.
All done 100% "in the name of the people's safety".
Fair enough, if you still wanna defend utterly massive regulation, but you pay for it in increased costs. Apparently about 5-10x in increased costs in medicine in the US.
A lint program would have to know a particular compiler's strategy in dealing with undefined issues, as well as optimization strategies, to uncover issues like this.
Most code analyzers, from old school lint thru new stuff like NASA's Polyspace, assume code at the syntactic level. Hence a new tool is needed (and seems ongoingly labor-intensive, given the need to be compiler-specific.)
> I haven't heard of any compiler that removes code just because it contains undefined behavior.
The description is bad. They are free to decide what to do with undefined behavior in implementation, as any actual compiler must, and it's this variance that's the problem, depending on both compiler and optimization levels.
They're not saying, "this construction is technically undefined, so I'm gonna optimize it away without notifying the programmer." Rather they're just picking something to do, which then, thanks to reasonable optimization strategy, ends up deleting a chunk of code.
They found *a* way it *might* happen. Have they shown it actually happened this way in incidents? Or doesn't it matter in a civil case?
I thought most cases had logs of people stomping the accel and, conspicuously, not the brake.
Not necessarily. If said cars kill fewer people than humans, it's still an improvement that should be done.
The problems are lawsuits. A drug that saves 90% of cancer patients but kills 1 in 10 independently will have it's ass handed to it in civil. court -- assuming it makes it past the FDA.
Would that outcomes analysis be applied to government activities and civil lawsuit lawyers ' claims of bettering the system as they fatten their wallets.
> "and missed RTOS use during task switching"
IRQs will piggyback atop the main stack. Since control does not devolve back to that thread until the IRQ finishes, this is perfectly fine. However you have to consider IRQ's worst-case use atop your thread's worst-case.
We don't use an OS so OS stack use isn't an issue. Obscured recursion as chains of functions call each other in hidden ways is something to consider.
I respond with popcorn and a TV on CNN. I like watching humanity get stunned when multi-century cities get clobbered with multi-century storms. Or flood plains. Or earthquakes.
Welcome to Nashville, a city waiting to die, with crappy earthquake standards even though that's the region with the most violent earthquakes in the continental US.
Ready to pop! (the popcorn)
"I also predicted this due to ever-growing social spending leading to increasing cost-cutting pressures on everything else. I'd like to claim authorship of this repeatedly successful prediction method, but I cannot."
I want a lot more RAM and an FM receiver. There is so little RAM in my bloatware-choked Verizon phone, every time I switch apps, then go back to browsing, the browser has to download the page again because it got killed off.This busts my data cap and incurs more charges. Didn't Verizon realize this when they limited RAM and loaded up most free space with unkillable bloatware?
It sounds like they didn't know what they were doing would lead to these extra charges to their customers which then went into their pockets.
"Now get back in your holes and invent nice stuff so the rest of us won't live as we deserve, left to our own devices: animals hunting and gathering and fighting.
I'm going to throw out a suggestion: Consider becoming the first modern parlimentary system to adopt a constitutional style list of powers explicitely forbidden to government.
It has warts, but is seems to work fine by keeping pleading arguments for censorship dead on arrival. Do it with a supermajority such that a supermajority is required to repeal it.
> [snakes] ultimately endowed us with forward-facing eyes
No they didn't. Swinging through trees did. There are two main reasons animals develop forward-facing AKA binocular vision: swinging through trees and being a hunting animal (lions, tigers, and bears).
Otherwise independent eyes on the sides of your head are preferred so you can spot the lions, tigers, and bears.
I wonder if bears initially got it because they are related to raccoons, tree climbers.
Capitalism just pushes prices down to where cmpetitive entry is not worth it. In the 1950s, our fine government jailed Alcoa executives for the monopolistic practice of keeping aluminum prices way, way too low.
By the way, Europe wouldn't have all this high-speed routing left to their own devices. It's easy for a politician to use tech someone else's many billions developed to satisfy the American market and then turn around and scream capitalism suxxorz!!1!11
See also them handing out cures for free, decrying the US as costing lives when they invent a fraction we do and the importance of invention is several magnitudes greater than making sure everybody has insurance, as far as measured saved lives go. But you need an analysis that includes slower tech development due to business-unfriendly environments.
Sadly, no one parades a million deaths a year worldwide because our tech is 2013-level instead of 2023-level this year, because Europe's rate of invention is lower than the US and has been for 50 years.
It's almost as if behavior is evolving to maximize success at sucking on the tit of government.
Nah.
By the way, let me clarify -- by "a disturbing attitude to have", I mean getting a boner at the idea of Congress being able to create classes of citizens who must give up First Amendment rights as a price of participation. These are not people working for the government in a secret agency.
> I disagree. Corporations gain special tax and liability advantages - requiring
> them to give up rights is a a reasonable cost for that.
First of all, that's a disturbing attitude to have.
Second, the Supreme Court is starting to disagree -- there is nothing in the Constitution that grants Congress the power to create classes of citizens, with Congress getting to dictating which Constitutional freedoms Congress is prevented from abridging to magically be able to abridge.
In the moral confusion promoted by global capitalism, "apex predator" became a term of approval - even among the prey.
It should be -- he's a visionary seeing where things are going and is making it happen. In this sense, capitalism is doing its proper, beneficial job: providing better, cheaper, more convenient services and products.
People will find other things to do -- they always have. 150 years ago, if you had said only 2% of the population would be working farms instead of over 90, politicians would scream, "what the hell, what are they all gonna do, starve?". Yet populations skyrocketted as did health and food continued getting cheaper.
These same assholes now provide government price supports to keep it from getting too cheap -- apparently the remaining 2% is just right, and 1.5% or 1% is wrong.
These idiotic meme-virus ideas of propriety should be laughed at instead of giving controlling influence.
Corporations are voluntary associations of people who do not give up their rights associating that way.
All this blather and government planning and so on.
Oh no, we need officials to wring their hands about making sure gas stations get constructed for them newfangled internal combustion engines!
Oh no! We need government wheat distribution and stables and inns along travel routes so people can have a place for their horses when traveling, and a place to stay the night!
Stop and listen to yourselves. Go read a book or watch TV or something.
They're up against their deadlines though for penalties (which they've waived thru March, which is logical, but not legal, as there is no Constitutional authority for the president to flat-out decline to enforce laws.)
Interestingly, the left has tried using the courts in the past to force the Bush administration to do a better job of creating environmental regulation (forget merely enforcing existing ones), which, though they sound like laws, squirm through constitutionality by being treated as part of enforcement of laws, which is the President's job.
Snotty, over-priced stock software corporation + millions of product copies in the field + deaths = lawyers = guess what, your stock becomes like a car company's.
There are ways to deal with this, but it involves massive process and redundancy and code reviews and design reviews and detailed checks of Lint, QAC, Polyspace, a dozen other checkers, software watchdogs that, by the way, damned well never actually be needed, etc.
Ya better put down the keyboard and get some training for a few months.
It also does little to protect against NSA letters at the destination sites. Everybody except the government can't see what you're doing.
For the wayback machine, this could actually be an NSA goldmine to find terrorists...or people digging up dirt on other politicians...or businesses looking things up.
Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
A few decades back, when many western companies were opening trade to Cuba, the US passed a law that any Cuban who had their property seized in the revolution could sue foreign companies that operated in both Cuba and the US for those losses.
In both cases, sovereign nations that cannot directly be brought to bear can have their arms twisted indirectly via hurting the private citizens' companies, which the politicians will definitely notice and feel.