I believe that this is just another step towards our inevitable evolutionary fate.
Whether or not it came, or is, in the face of "Linux", this is the path we are taking now - to get us where we need to be.
Strange how millions of people with the same ideas (or at least geared in the same direction) should just happen to collide at one point. Ofcourse, thats not how it appears to us.
No, it appears as though we have, one by one, slowly seen what is going on and banded together. Growing together for the same goals.
Linux is only a single piece of the means to the end. One which we are destined to create together. Ofcourse, there are still a few generations left before we have the outcome. So lets keep it going and setup the future for those who will play the next and final roles.
1000 years is 1 day to god. "On the Seventh day he rested" (time check: the year is 5760 - as you can see time is running out)
If every group of humanoids with a nickname for another group of humanoids were infantile, we would need alot more diapers and bottles.
Who are you, Anonymous Coward, that had not realized they were being called suits for quite some time. Why would you be so hypocritical as to play the name-game on those who you say play the name-game.
The money was offered to us for what we had helped RedHat to accomplish - ever hear of, "What goes around comes around." Or, perhaps this one, "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." RedHat is doing "The Right Thing"(tm) and here we are shaming them and the community which has put forth so much light to make Linux what it is and is becoming.
It is all good though, Linux is and will remain successful because we do not fall to these minor external issues. (No sarcasm)
Agreed. My girlfriend kicks my ass at reading speed and vocabulary, amazinig what a lifetime of reading can get you.. But she doesn't have the McDonalds menu of 1987 memorized:)
I thought it was sarcasm, I simply decided to take it literaly to sharpen my point.
If there's time in the evening let them read a book. That's what Mom and Dad do at night, right?
I don't know whose parents you had, but mine, alike most of the others where I grew up, wouldn't pick up a book unless they wanted to dust it off.
Sad but true, TV played their entertainer and tryed its hand at educator too. I was raised that way, (look at me! morally sound and all!) but have since come to only require Star Trek Voyager, WWF, X-Files, and Simpsons. Some of those are waiting for the new season; I won't watch reruns, except Simpsons. Four hours in the week is not too much, is it?
I still don't touch books for recreation, unless it is technical, scientific, or instructional (text books). Consider the amount of text that is consumed in "web surfing" (no pr0n surfing here). I can have more data available to me on any subject with a single search than I could have by walking to the city library. Paper is old technology anyway.
Everyone can use and benefit from Free Software. Once there is enough of it, there will not be a need (or desire?) for proprietary software.
I have no complaints with the schema by which they intend to rent apps, using the web as the operating system and the browser for the GUI. My problem is that people are still paying for (often inferior) software. These people are being tought to use computers in a way which makes system/application crashes and task roadblocks commonplace. I would rather see the following scenario:
Bill makes Billsoft Word. Billsoft Word is an open-source application which somehow has the ability to run remotely on your terminal/computer (perhaps via X-Windows? or some browser java magic like VNC or Citrix). While the application is running you can ask support questions (via tele or some pop-up window), for a fee, to a support representative. A free (or not) peer support channel could exist as well for those who feel peers can answer their questions rather than reps. All the while Ads (perhaps regarding what you are typing in the WP - or is that a risk of privacy invasion) are being tossed at you.
Plenty of potential for money making, while still using Free (as in beer and liberty) software. Ofcourse, in a perfect world there would be no money involved. We will end at that.
I think they must be trying to appeal to folks who find software expensive. Do any of us have that problem?...Thought not
Besides - I don't want Big Brother, or Uncle Bill, snooping in on my data... (or selling for that matter)
This is the kind of stunt that may have been beneficial 5+ years ago, but today we can afford the computer power, the software (for sure), and the support for the apps we need.
This is really pissy news... All these companys either don't get it or don't want others to get it.. It is not about them anymore, their time is over....
Can we all stand together and say, Fuck'Em. We have plenty of open source chat/messaging protocols and software pieces without their shoddy contributions...
Just incase you don't know where we are headed (and god am i glad to see someone put all this down in a well stated manner - for i sure couldn't) check this out on first monday, Anarchism Triumphant: Free Software and the Death of Copyright... Damn good reading...
is that $300 us? I just bought a VooDoo3/16mb pci 2000 for $99 at compusa, imagine if i bought it online - $89ish... Besides that - All the Voodoo cards (AFAIK) are under $100 these days (minus the new Voodoos 3000,4000)....
Furthermore - Riva 128/TNT cards with GL support are also $99 at compusa...
In X i can get 32bit color at all modes my monitor supports, and the framerates are still awesome.
What home user really needs much beyond that?? (attn smartasses: don't even bother answering that question)
Why is this marked as Flame Bait! Debian seperates Free from Non-Free Software.. It also has the Debian Free Software Guidelines which cleans up some of the confusion... This is not FlameBait, this is truth! if you want 100% Free Software - gather it yourself, or use debian.
Damn!!! you folks biting today? maybe it is in the stars that everyone is pissed or has had a bad day - or maybe netscape / mozilla is a touchy subject....Can't we all just get along?
Personally I find that mozilla is doing great for what it is - even for what it is not yet... it is aimed at the right direction and is definetly growing in leaps and bounds..
several months ago i tryed mozilla and it would not compile... a bit later i tryed it and it was so basic as to be useless...
recently (m6) it is fast to startup, has many features, and is just as flashy as ns4.5 or ie5... the only flaws that i currently see are part of any growing program and i am sure that they will be banged out so that by this time next year mozilla will be the unquestioned leader of linux desktop web browsers...
(kde/gnome browsers are still weak - staroffice is kinda cool but closed, amaya is SLOW to render.. emacs, eh? lynx rox... telnet hostname 80 seems to work well)
that sounds very cool... i don't usually use cvs - i tend to get tarballs... but to be able to have the tree of code all branched out and color coordinated and to be able to graphically zoom from a tree branch directory/file view to a line of code view would be cool... are you sure similar things dont already exist?
The elements within each face of the cube would be 3d as well... maybe this will help: imagine a cube with a hologram of a 3d widgeted desktop on each face. or different views of the same 3d desktop on each face. as far as the computer would let you go you would have the ability to reach into any one of these faces and manipulate any 3d windows, objects or widgets within each face. you could hold the cube up at an angle and still see 2 other faces while manipulating one.. this is the virtual desktop pager system i am talking about...
now take that cube and put it in a larger box. this would be your true root cube/window... if you wanted you could have multiple mini cubes in the box, or you can pull 3d windows/objects out of a mini cube onto this root cube, or you could make one of the mini cubes zoom in to fill the root cube.. so now you only see one 3d face of one cube... but if you have a six sided display, you could move to the other sides of the display and see the other 3d desktops - or you could set it up so that by moving to the other sides of the display you see a different view of the same cube (cube face)... with a display system where you are not looking at a cube but are inside the cube - or a sphere, we can use the same system and just through you in the middle - instead of in front.
if this doesn't make sense- oh well.. it is hard to communicate 3d in 1d...
my opinion here, but it seems to me that slashdot should not have taken this direction.. great malda, it's yours.. but you could have made an open-source/internet community success story out of it...
I'm sure the time and bandwidth problems could have been donated by your readership. I envision a slashdot that is for the people, by the people.. this community of hacks and cracks are more than capable of running a web site.. people could be appointed (elected by the readers) into a position of head programmer or post verifiers, etc... or even better - everything is posted to a lesser directory and those entries with the greatest read count automatically get listed on the main site...
Yes - slashdot is yours, and you are free to sell it... But maybe we need something that is ours.
Happens to me everyweek... It is kind of reassuring to know that if you don't do it, eventually someone else will.. Atleast you know there isn't just a sea of morons out there... We are all inspired by relatively the same things - and will eventually create the same wonders... Now we just need Socialist Communism (Anarchism). (Just realized anarchism is already sort of the way it works on the internet especially with opensource - noone is oppressed and we get the common good goal accomplished through exchanges of contributions..wow, anarchism rox! Anarchism FAQ)
Now you are reminding me of LawnMower Man!!! When he was trying to find an access port to escape into the real world with.. I have seen a shockwave web site or two that would be perfect for a bank/atm type 3d ui. it had say fours gears each presenting an option - you click on one and it rotates back to another level where it meets up with your next set of options.. 3duis da bomb
You watch the movie hackers one too many times? I wish we could just forget about logical 3d and input devices and just use screen savers to interact with the computers like they did in that movie.. we would get much more work done;)
Wheel Mice are perfect for the interim... you use the standard left/right/up/down of the mouse and use the scroller to do things back/forward... you could even say use the scroller to move you back through the window or window manager, then use a hold left click and use scroller to perform rotates.... etc... OH GOD I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!
Johnny Mneumonic had it best!!! Just like we have black box and other simple wms now - we can have basic wire frame 3d wms in a year or so... personnaly i would give up the wm's+themes we have now for a kick ass green plasma display using simple green wireframe cubes as terminals.. each cube could represent a desktopp with each face of the cube a virt. desktop.. grab the cube(desktop) you like rotate it to the right face(virt desktop), point your finger at some special button(maximize?) on the face and the virtual desktop face of the cube you pointed to fills your display cube.. so now you have cubes within it that are like your applications..2d applications can be 2d with 3d borders and frames so that you can pull them etc... (can't pull a 2d object in 3d) a window in your way? minimize is silly! you can just push it to the background - or turn it 90 degrees into a deviation of "window-shade" mode so that you just see a side frame of the window with a text version of the name written on the side... I have been thinkingn about this alot in the past few years - It's about time people started making some noise...
Hey - you don't have to use it if you don't want to... personally - i am sick of the same old 2d crap we have been using for the last 20+ years.. there is no real diff between using any X-wm and MS Windows. I have been waiting (and requesting) for this step for some time now.. the movie makers have been implementing it - now it's time for the coders...
screw your memmory footprint concerns!!! Quake is taking up 16-20mb ram while running right? if you always had quake open on your (128mb ram is sooo cheap these days) PII or better machine, would you really notice? +the quickness of vid cards today +accelerating GL cards +XFree4 +Berlin +GGI (already making this possible)
In 1988 120MB was an UNGODLY wealth of Data.. Back in 1988 I don't think the universe had even acquired that much data... It wasn't until the late ninties that the universe evolved an internet from which data expanded infinitly in all directions... Read your history!! Oh Sorry, We didn't have history back in the 80's, not enough memmory pointers available.... wasn't until that evolved memmory upgrade in the 90's when we were finally able to get a successful malloc()... Duh!
I thought about this with two of my friends the other day.. My explanation was that we eventually run out of memmory/swap space and one of our internal kernel processes trys to malloc() but does not check for the return value and so we wind up trying to write to NULL - We have an internal segfault causing a KERNEL-PANIC!!! What a shameless way to go, a little error-checking could have made us stable... Oh well, I guess "they" didn't use an open-source model. (hehe Microsoft Human 1.0 -- BEWARE!!!)
Slashdot Mirror
Snake!!!! Oh wait, Pipe! Give it!
(actually i am quite serious about what i said above)
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I believe that this is just another step towards our inevitable evolutionary fate.
Whether or not it came, or is, in the face of "Linux", this is the path we are taking now - to get us where we need to be.
Strange how millions of people with the same ideas (or at least geared in the same direction) should just happen to collide at one point. Ofcourse, thats not how it appears to us.
No, it appears as though we have, one by one, slowly seen what is going on and banded together. Growing together for the same goals.
Linux is only a single piece of the means to the end. One which we are destined to create together. Ofcourse, there are still a few generations left before we have the outcome. So lets keep it going and setup the future for those who will play the next and final roles.
1000 years is 1 day to god. "On the Seventh day he rested" (time check: the year is 5760 - as you can see time is running out)
And that's all I got to say about that.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
If every group of humanoids with a nickname for another group of humanoids were infantile, we would need alot more diapers and bottles.
Who are you, Anonymous Coward, that had not realized they were being called suits for quite some time. Why would you be so hypocritical as to play the name-game on those who you say play the name-game.
Strange world, Stranger people.
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displague@linuxfan.com
The money was offered to us for what we had helped RedHat to accomplish - ever hear of, "What goes around comes around." Or, perhaps this one, "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." RedHat is doing "The Right Thing"(tm) and here we are shaming them and the community which has put forth so much light to make Linux what it is and is becoming.
It is all good though, Linux is and will remain successful because we do not fall to these minor external issues. (No sarcasm)
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displague@linuxfan.com
Agreed. My girlfriend kicks my ass at reading speed and vocabulary, amazinig what a lifetime of reading can get you.. But she doesn't have the McDonalds menu of 1987 memorized :)
I thought it was sarcasm, I simply decided to take it literaly to sharpen my point.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
No problem with anything you said, except:
If there's time in the evening let them read a book. That's what Mom and Dad do at night, right?
I don't know whose parents you had, but mine, alike most of the others where I grew up, wouldn't pick up a book unless they wanted to dust it off.
Sad but true, TV played their entertainer and tryed its hand at educator too. I was raised that way, (look at me! morally sound and all!) but have since come to only require Star Trek Voyager, WWF, X-Files, and Simpsons. Some of those are waiting for the new season; I won't watch reruns, except Simpsons. Four hours in the week is not too much, is it?
I still don't touch books for recreation, unless it is technical, scientific, or instructional (text books). Consider the amount of text that is consumed in "web surfing" (no pr0n surfing here). I can have more data available to me on any subject with a single search than I could have by walking to the city library. Paper is old technology anyway.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Everyone can use and benefit from Free Software. Once there is enough of it, there will not be a need (or desire?) for proprietary software.
I have no complaints with the schema by which they intend to rent apps, using the web as the operating system and the browser for the GUI. My problem is that people are still paying for (often inferior) software. These people are being tought to use computers in a way which makes system/application crashes and task roadblocks commonplace. I would rather see the following scenario:
Bill makes Billsoft Word. Billsoft Word is an open-source application which somehow has the ability to run remotely on your terminal/computer (perhaps via X-Windows? or some browser java magic like VNC or Citrix). While the application is running you can ask support questions (via tele or some pop-up window), for a fee, to a support representative. A free (or not) peer support channel could exist as well for those who feel peers can answer their questions rather than reps. All the while Ads (perhaps regarding what you are typing in the WP - or is that a risk of privacy invasion) are being tossed at you.
Plenty of potential for money making, while still using Free (as in beer and liberty) software. Ofcourse, in a perfect world there would be no money involved. We will end at that.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
I think they must be trying to appeal to folks who find software expensive. Do any of us have that problem? ...Thought not
Besides - I don't want Big Brother, or Uncle Bill, snooping in on my data... (or selling for that matter)
This is the kind of stunt that may have been beneficial 5+ years ago, but today we can afford the computer power, the software (for sure), and the support for the apps we need.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
This is really pissy news... All these companys either don't get it or don't want others to get it.. It is not about them anymore, their time is over....
Can we all stand together and say, Fuck'Em.
We have plenty of open source chat/messaging protocols and software pieces without their shoddy contributions...
Just incase you don't know where we are headed (and god am i glad to see someone put all this down in a well stated manner - for i sure couldn't) check this out on first monday, Anarchism Triumphant: Free Software and the Death of Copyright... Damn good reading...
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
is that $300 us? I just bought a VooDoo3/16mb pci 2000 for $99 at compusa, imagine if i bought it online - $89ish ... Besides that - All the Voodoo cards (AFAIK) are under $100 these days (minus the new Voodoos 3000,4000) ....
Furthermore - Riva 128/TNT cards with GL support are also $99 at compusa...
In X i can get 32bit color at all modes my monitor supports, and the framerates are still awesome.
What home user really needs much beyond that?? (attn smartasses: don't even bother answering that question)
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Damn - i was there last night checking for this... But it was not there *I suspect squid* ....
Today, BOOM, It's there! But flooded...
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displague@linuxfan.com
The debian dist. kernel has got ipv6 enabled, and the tools and scripts are aware of it and initialize it...
I don't think all daemons/apps are there yet, but the basic net tools have it.
kind of suprised me when i ran ifconfig and saw:
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:40:05:A5:37:69
inet addr:10.1.6.1 Bcast:10.1.6.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
inet6 addr: fe80::240:5ff:fea5:3769/10 Scope:Link
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:1054638 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:1724824 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
Interrupt:11 Base address:0x6800
is that ipv6 address random? hmmmm....
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displague@linuxfan.com
Why is this marked as Flame Bait! Debian seperates Free from Non-Free Software.. It also has the Debian Free Software Guidelines which cleans up some of the confusion... This is not FlameBait, this is truth! if you want 100% Free Software - gather it yourself, or use debian.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Damn!!! you folks biting today? maybe it is in the stars that everyone is pissed or has had a bad day - or maybe netscape / mozilla is a touchy subject....Can't we all just get along?
Personally I find that mozilla is doing great for what it is - even for what it is not yet... it is aimed at the right direction and is definetly growing in leaps and bounds..
several months ago i tryed mozilla and it would not compile... a bit later i tryed it and it was so basic as to be useless...
recently (m6) it is fast to startup, has many features, and is just as flashy as ns4.5 or ie5... the only flaws that i currently see are part of any growing program and i am sure that they will be banged out so that by this time next year mozilla will be the unquestioned leader of linux desktop web browsers...
(kde/gnome browsers are still weak - staroffice is kinda cool but closed, amaya is SLOW to render.. emacs, eh? lynx rox... telnet hostname 80 seems to work well)
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displague@linuxfan.com
that sounds very cool... i don't usually use cvs - i tend to get tarballs... but to be able to have the tree of code all branched out and color coordinated and to be able to graphically zoom from a tree branch directory/file view to a line of code view would be cool... are you sure similar things dont already exist?
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
The elements within each face of the cube would be 3d as well... maybe this will help:
imagine a cube with a hologram of a 3d widgeted desktop on each face. or different views of the same 3d desktop on each face. as far as the computer would let you go you would have the ability to reach into any one of these faces and manipulate any 3d windows, objects or widgets within each face. you could hold the cube up at an angle and still see 2 other faces while manipulating one.. this is the virtual desktop pager system i am talking about...
now take that cube and put it in a larger box. this would be your true root cube/window... if you wanted you could have multiple mini cubes in the box, or you can pull 3d windows/objects out of a mini cube onto this root cube, or you could make one of the mini cubes zoom in to fill the root cube.. so now you only see one 3d face of one cube... but if you have a six sided display, you could move to the other sides of the display and see the other 3d desktops - or you could set it up so that by moving to the other sides of the display you see a different view of the same cube (cube face)... with a display system where you are not looking at a cube but are inside the cube - or a sphere, we can use the same system and just through you in the middle - instead of in front.
if this doesn't make sense- oh well.. it is hard to communicate 3d in 1d...
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
my opinion here, but it seems to me that slashdot should not have taken this direction.. great malda, it's yours.. but you could have made an open-source/internet community success story out of it...
I'm sure the time and bandwidth problems could have been donated by your readership. I envision a slashdot that is for the people, by the people.. this community of hacks and cracks are more than capable of running a web site.. people could be appointed (elected by the readers) into a position of head programmer or post verifiers, etc... or even better - everything is posted to a lesser directory and those entries with the greatest read count automatically get listed on the main site...
Yes - slashdot is yours, and you are free to sell it... But maybe we need something that is ours.
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Happens to me everyweek... It is kind of reassuring to know that if you don't do it, eventually someone else will.. Atleast you know there isn't just a sea of morons out there... We are all inspired by relatively the same things - and will eventually create the same wonders... Now we just need Socialist Communism (Anarchism). (Just realized anarchism is already sort of the way it works on the internet especially with opensource - noone is oppressed and we get the common good goal accomplished through exchanges of contributions..wow, anarchism rox! Anarchism FAQ)
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Now you are reminding me of LawnMower Man!!! When he was trying to find an access port to escape into the real world with.. I have seen a shockwave web site or two that would be perfect for a bank/atm type 3d ui. it had say fours gears each presenting an option - you click on one and it rotates back to another level where it meets up with your next set of options.. 3duis da bomb
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
You watch the movie hackers one too many times? I wish we could just forget about logical 3d and input devices and just use screen savers to interact with the computers like they did in that movie.. we would get much more work done ;)
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Wheel Mice are perfect for the interim... you use the standard left/right/up/down of the mouse and use the scroller to do things back/forward ... you could even say use the scroller to move you back through the window or window manager, then use a hold left click and use scroller to perform rotates.... etc... OH GOD I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
Johnny Mneumonic had it best!!!
Just like we have black box and other simple wms now - we can have basic wire frame 3d wms in a year or so...
personnaly i would give up the wm's+themes we have now for a kick ass green plasma display using simple green wireframe cubes as terminals.. each cube could represent a desktopp with each face of the cube a virt. desktop..
grab the cube(desktop) you like rotate it to the right face(virt desktop), point your finger at some special button(maximize?) on the face and the virtual desktop face of the cube you pointed to fills your display cube.. so now you have cubes within it that are like your applications..2d applications can be 2d with 3d borders and frames so that you can pull them etc... (can't pull a 2d object in 3d)
a window in your way? minimize is silly! you can just push it to the background - or turn it 90 degrees into a deviation of "window-shade" mode so that you just see a side frame of the window with a text version of the name written on the side... I have been thinkingn about this alot in the past few years - It's about time people started making some noise...
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displague@linuxfan.com
Hey - you don't have to use it if you don't want to...
personally - i am sick of the same old 2d crap we have been using for the last 20+ years.. there is no real diff between using any X-wm and MS Windows. I have been waiting (and requesting) for this step for some time now.. the movie makers have been implementing it - now it's time for the coders...
screw your memmory footprint concerns!!! Quake is taking up 16-20mb ram while running right? if you always had quake open on your (128mb ram is sooo cheap these days) PII or better machine, would you really notice?
+the quickness of vid cards today
+accelerating GL cards
+XFree4
+Berlin
+GGI (already making this possible)
WE ARE READY! LETS DO IT!!!
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
That was written in 1988 - COME ON!!!!
In 1988 120MB was an UNGODLY wealth of Data.. Back in 1988 I don't think the universe had even acquired that much data...
It wasn't until the late ninties that the universe evolved an internet from which data expanded infinitly in all directions... Read your history!! Oh Sorry, We didn't have history back in the 80's, not enough memmory pointers available.... wasn't until that evolved memmory upgrade in the 90's when we were finally able to get a successful malloc()...
Duh!
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com
I thought about this with two of my friends the other day.. My explanation was that we eventually run out of memmory/swap space and one of our internal kernel processes trys to malloc() but does not check for the return value and so we wind up trying to write to NULL - We have an internal segfault causing a KERNEL-PANIC!!! What a shameless way to go, a little error-checking could have made us stable... Oh well, I guess "they" didn't use an open-source model. (hehe Microsoft Human 1.0 -- BEWARE!!!)
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Marques Johansson
displague@linuxfan.com