>If I'm looking at a stack of resumes and I'm busy (i.e., not a HR professional) I'll not likely pick up one that weighs a lot.
Your job is to find the right person for the job. Again its not clear how the weight of a resume has anything to do with this. Do you also filter by the orientation of the staple on the resume? For me, do I really want to work for you if my coworkers were chosen by this arbitrary method? What does it say about your skills as a manager?
"Hi! I have no technical skills, no experience I can share, but I work here because I lucked out because I have a one page resume. Good thing too, because I would have lost to at least three other more qualified people but they never even got looked at because they had a hefty five page resume. Nice to meet you."
>A heavy CV usually indicates too much information (possibly padding) and someone who cannot (for ego reasons or whatever) summarize their own experience and qualifications.
I can do both of those things, pad and fail to summerize, with a one or two page resume.
>Put a web link or note mentioning extra information instead.
You can't be bothered to turn the page of a document right in front of you, yet you find it ok to ask a person to go to an computer and type in a potentially long/complex text (URL)?
> I'd still be doing a lot more interesting stuff than some people I know who are working in the large corporations.
You can do lots of interesting things, outside of work.
OT/weekend work is fine if you need to get up to speed on a subject or if your team caused it and will learn from it. Any other reason tells you something is wrong. This is especially wrong when you are too young to know better and you are too young to actually have the skills to prevent whatever caused the extra work to exists in the first place.
>I work for a small company, and although I don't get paid as much as some of my peers, it's nice knowing that I don't have to stay at work until 7 pm every night, or work weekends.
Consider yourself lucky.
I've worked for large and small companies and by far, the OT/weekend work are more common in small companies.
He was reassigned to a less sensitive post and ultimately retired from the military
Considering what his duty was, I think that he got off easy.
In Moscow on May 21, 2004, the San Francisco-based Association of World Citizens presented Petrov with its World Citizen Award, including a trophy and $1,000 (US), in recognition of the part he played in averting a potential catastrophe.
In January 2006 Petrov traveled to the United States where he was honored in a meeting at the United Nations in New York City. There the Association of World Citizens presented Petrov with a second special World Citizen Award. The following day Petrov met with American journalist Walter Cronkite at his CBS office in New York City. That interview, in addition to other highlights of Petrov's trip to the United States, will be included in the documentary film The Man Who Saved the World, which is expected to be released in late 2006.
I always thought it was because the economics and benefits of becoming a professor with tenure was risk/work vs. rewards out there.
Employement effectively for life with a great pension at a large orgainzation with a stable customer-base and very little compitition. Sounds like a good deal.
For something that the programmers expect and is common, I'm sure that its pretty good.
The one time I used this type of system was to remove a a part of my service. I had to start guessing what key words they wanted, the system kept on interpreting that I wanted to add a service or remove my service entirely. Insanely fustrating.
I finally said "Problem. billing." and got to a human that could then forward me to the correct number.
>If somebody in my field had 20 years experience the first thing I'd want to do was learn whatever I could from him or her.
I've met alot of people with lots of experience. Trust me, years of experience says nothing about what you can learn from them, it just means that they are old. I'm not saying that I couldn't learn a truck load from someone with 20 years experince, its just that they have to show something more than just that.
>if somebody says something to you that suggests they know something you don't,
His only justification for not liking that question was that he has 20 years of experience being asked by "a guy in his early twenties" a question that "exerted selection pressure towards excluding experienced candidates" which he felt himself "trapped in a sophomore study group?"
The way I read it was that he already told us what he thinks he knows.
>I wasn't "outraged" I was bored to tears and disapointed.
I get bored to tears with the first question such as "Tell us a bit about your self" or "what is your greatest weakness". Not sure why you would be bored by something that is specific to your job, at least its about programming/algorithms.
"I would never hire someone who wrote their own "bsearch an integer array" when there was a library function that was tested and proveably correct staring up out of the core C library that did that exact thing."
Thats like saying you would never take serious any programming language that used a "Hello World" program as an example because there is never a need to write one.
"I have 20 years of experience in programming and systems design."
Um.. Good for you. Are we suppose to be impressed? It just means that you had a job title for 20 years.
Do you have anything to show for the 20 years? Thats what these silly little interview questions, and your answers, are suppose to show.
"And in several cases the interviewers were vague, semantically incorrect, or self-contradictory."
In all of your 20 years, haven't you ever had requirements like this? I have 10 years and I encounter them so much, I get suprised when they don't show at least one of the above qualities.
How do you handle this sort of situation in the workplace? Curl up in a corner and start crying? Run over to slashdot and complain about your horrific job?
Answer the question as you would do as an employee. Again, the questions are there to allow you to show you how much you know.
I'm sorry if I sound a little rough, but its just arrogant to be outraged by interview questions that are below you just because you believe that you have 20 years you are entitled to not answer questions.
The authority is written in laws (at least in US and Canada). Every first-year engineer should know this, so there is no excuse for a licenced professional engineer to not realize their authority.
>management steps in after hours, "throws in numbers" and tosses together a design, then sends it out with the engineer's seal on it. Or when an engineer refuses to sign off on an incomplete or incorrect design, the manager brings in a new graduate because they're more "cooperative" (read: will sign anything to get a paycheck) and they go ahead and build it that way.
Although its caused by management, I think these are the failure of an engineer living up to his professional responsibilities.
Ads don't really bother me anymore, as long as I can eventually block them out (e.g. turn off the TV). What ever method of ads will be seen as such (Everytime I see a product placement I always think how much they paid for it and that Wayne's World scene.)
What bothers me are childern being to exposed to ads. They don't even realize what is happening and they are very impressionable.
>Anyone who has been on slashdot very long has heard all the complaints about RMS, by now its just a litany of repitition - nobody has come up with anything new to complain about RMS for long, long time.
Same thing applies to Bill Gates, but that doesn't stop the same thing getting posted and modded up here.
I don't know about you but everytime I fill up my SUV on the way to pick up the kids from the soccer game, I just stand there and think how Rockefeller stole from me.
Damn you Rockerfeller, damn you all to hell! You owe me big time!!
>This is the sort of reasoning that Warren Buffet himself has used in the past. See his comments about limiting the number of share trades somebody may make in a lifetime for instance.
Are you talking about this?; From http://mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pages/clubs/investme nt/WarrenBuffett.html "When making investments, pretend in life you have a punch-card with only 20 boxes, and every time you make an investment you punch a slot. It will discipline you to only make investments you have extreme confidence in. "
What does this have to do with the majority of wealth in a small population? What does this have to do with observing the duality of a situation? Am I missing something here?
>For every dollar you spent on a prize, about 10 additional research dollars pour in from other private sources as companies and individual teams scramble to win the prize.
How worthy is the cause if you need to create an artifical prize for people to do something?
>Granted - not all "good work" that's needed lies in the R&D area. But plenty of it does (think cure for AIDS, cancer etc.), and for those objectives prizes are a damn good way to spur innovation.
The market for an AIDS or cancer cure is huge. You don't need carrot for those things.
The R&D stuff takes a long time and lots of hard work that seems to go in circles for the most while. Not something that fits a "prize-for-the-winner" method unless you are willing to settle for handing it out years from now. (Which by then a lot could have changed.)
Slashdot Mirror
>We will say nothing, or we will try to mislead you.
So in this light, how am I suppose to interpret the rest of your post?
I would have been singing;
..."
"Ding-dong, the witch is dead
Moderated slashdot story contest? Karma whores!
>If I'm looking at a stack of resumes and I'm busy (i.e., not a HR professional) I'll not likely pick up one that weighs a lot.
Your job is to find the right person for the job. Again its not clear how the weight of a resume has anything to do with this. Do you also filter by the orientation of the staple on the resume?
For me, do I really want to work for you if my coworkers were chosen by this arbitrary method? What does it say about your skills as a manager?
"Hi! I have no technical skills, no experience I can share, but I work here because I lucked out because I have a one page resume. Good thing too, because I would have lost to at least three other more qualified people but they never even got looked at because they had a hefty five page resume. Nice to meet you."
>A heavy CV usually indicates too much information (possibly padding) and someone who cannot (for ego reasons or whatever) summarize their own experience and qualifications.
I can do both of those things, pad and fail to summerize, with a one or two page resume.
>Put a web link or note mentioning extra information instead.
You can't be bothered to turn the page of a document right in front of you, yet you find it ok to ask a person to go to an computer and type in a potentially long/complex text (URL)?
I can't tell if you are joking or not, but forget about the
"keep it to one-page advice".
If you can only fill in one page, then keep it to one page.
If you need 10 pages, fill 10 pages, but try to put the really good and recent stuff on the first page.
Think long and hard if you want to work for a company that rejects you based solely on the number of pages you submit.
> I'd still be doing a lot more interesting stuff than some people I know who are working in the large corporations.
You can do lots of interesting things, outside of work.
OT/weekend work is fine if you need to get up to speed on a subject or if your team caused it and will learn from it. Any other reason tells you something is wrong. This is especially wrong when you are too young to know better and you are too young to actually have the skills to prevent whatever caused the extra work to exists in the first place.
>I work for a small company, and although I don't get paid as much as some of my peers, it's nice knowing that I don't have to stay at work until 7 pm every night, or work weekends.
Consider yourself lucky.
I've worked for large and small companies and by far, the OT/weekend work are more common in small companies.
He was reassigned to a less sensitive post and ultimately retired from the military
Considering what his duty was, I think that he got off easy.
In Moscow on May 21, 2004, the San Francisco-based Association of World Citizens presented Petrov with its World Citizen Award, including a trophy and $1,000 (US), in recognition of the part he played in averting a potential catastrophe.
In January 2006 Petrov traveled to the United States where he was honored in a meeting at the United Nations in New York City. There the Association of World Citizens presented Petrov with a second special World Citizen Award. The following day Petrov met with American journalist Walter Cronkite at his CBS office in New York City. That interview, in addition to other highlights of Petrov's trip to the United States, will be included in the documentary film The Man Who Saved the World, which is expected to be released in late 2006.
Yep. No graditute here.
I always thought it was because the economics and benefits of becoming a professor with tenure was risk/work vs. rewards out there.
Employement effectively for life with a great pension at a large orgainzation with a stable customer-base and very little compitition. Sounds like a good deal.
It depends on what you are trying to do.
For something that the programmers expect and is common, I'm sure that its pretty good.
The one time I used this type of system was to remove a a part of my service. I had to start guessing what key words they wanted, the system kept on interpreting that I wanted to add a service or remove my service entirely. Insanely fustrating.
I finally said "Problem. billing." and got to a human that could then forward me to the correct number.
>If somebody in my field had 20 years experience the first thing I'd want to do was learn whatever I could from him or her.
I've met alot of people with lots of experience. Trust me, years of experience says nothing about what you can learn from them, it just means that they are old. I'm not saying that I couldn't learn a truck load from someone with 20 years experince, its just that they have to show something more than just that.
>if somebody says something to you that suggests they know something you don't,
His only justification for not liking that question was that he has 20 years of experience being asked by "a guy in his early twenties" a question that "exerted selection pressure towards excluding experienced candidates" which he felt himself "trapped in a sophomore study group?"
The way I read it was that he already told us what he thinks he knows.
>I wasn't "outraged" I was bored to tears and disapointed.
I get bored to tears with the first question such as "Tell us a bit about your self" or "what is your greatest weakness". Not sure why you would be bored by something that is specific to your job, at least its about programming/algorithms.
Anyways, good luck in your job search.
"I would never hire someone who wrote their own "bsearch an integer array" when there was a library function that was tested and proveably correct staring up out of the core C library that did that exact thing."
Thats like saying you would never take serious any programming language that used a "Hello World" program as an example because there is never a need to write one.
"I have 20 years of experience in programming and systems design."
Um.. Good for you. Are we suppose to be impressed? It just means that you had a job title for 20 years.
Do you have anything to show for the 20 years? Thats what these silly little interview questions, and your answers, are suppose to show.
"And in several cases the interviewers were vague, semantically incorrect, or self-contradictory."
In all of your 20 years, haven't you ever had requirements like this? I have 10 years and I encounter them so much, I get suprised when they don't show at least one of the above qualities.
How do you handle this sort of situation in the workplace? Curl up in a corner and start crying? Run over to slashdot and complain about your horrific job?
Answer the question as you would do as an employee. Again, the questions are there to allow you to show you how much you know.
I'm sorry if I sound a little rough, but its just arrogant to be outraged by interview questions that are below you just because you believe that you have 20 years you are entitled to not answer questions.
I wish I had mod points.
I'm sorry but what side are you arguing for; Citizens trusting Police or the Police trusting Citizens?
The authority is written in laws (at least in US and Canada). Every first-year engineer should know this, so there is no excuse for a licenced professional engineer to not realize their authority.
>management steps in after hours, "throws in numbers" and tosses together a design, then sends it out with the engineer's seal on it. Or when an engineer refuses to sign off on an incomplete or incorrect design, the manager brings in a new graduate because they're more "cooperative" (read: will sign anything to get a paycheck) and they go ahead and build it that way.
Although its caused by management, I think these are the failure of an engineer living up to his professional responsibilities.
Ads don't really bother me anymore, as long as I can eventually block them out (e.g. turn off the TV). What ever method of ads will be seen as such (Everytime I see a product placement I always think how much they paid for it and that Wayne's World scene.)
What bothers me are childern being to exposed to ads. They don't even realize what is happening and they are very impressionable.
I think this is what you want to link to
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/51590
>Anyone who has been on slashdot very long has heard all the complaints about RMS, by now its just a litany of repitition - nobody has come up with anything new to complain about RMS for long, long time.
Same thing applies to Bill Gates, but that doesn't stop the same thing getting posted and modded up here.
I don't know about you but everytime I fill up my SUV on the way to pick up the kids from the soccer game, I just stand there and think how Rockefeller stole from me.
Damn you Rockerfeller, damn you all to hell! You owe me big time!!
>This is the sort of reasoning that Warren Buffet himself has used in the past. See his comments about limiting the number of share trades somebody may make in a lifetime for instance.
e nt/WarrenBuffett.html
Are you talking about this?;
From http://mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pages/clubs/investm
"When making investments, pretend in life you have a punch-card with only 20 boxes, and every time you make an investment you punch a slot. It will discipline you to only make investments you have extreme confidence in. "
What does this have to do with the majority of wealth in a small population? What does this have to do with observing the duality of a situation? Am I missing something here?
>For every dollar you spent on a prize, about 10 additional research dollars pour in from other private sources as companies and individual teams scramble to win the prize.
How worthy is the cause if you need to create an artifical prize for people to do something?
>Granted - not all "good work" that's needed lies in the R&D area. But plenty of it does (think cure for AIDS, cancer etc.), and for those objectives prizes are a damn good way to spur innovation.
The market for an AIDS or cancer cure is huge. You don't need carrot for those things.
The R&D stuff takes a long time and lots of hard work that seems to go in circles for the most while. Not something that fits a "prize-for-the-winner" method unless you are willing to settle for handing it out years from now. (Which by then a lot could have changed.)
Why is it the billionare philanthropists in the US don't finance prizes for objective criteria?
Because life is not some reality tv show where a conclusion is needed within 12 1 hour episodes with a final live show for that extra ratings hit.
Doing "good work" is a long and slow process and hard enough without quarterly process reports.