"The Novell Open Workgroup Suite includes the Linux* version of Novell Open Enterprise Server, Novell GroupWise® for Linux, Novell ZENworks® Suite, SUSE® Linux Enterprise Desktop and the popular OpenOffice.org. Pricing is $110 per device/user for a perpetual license and $75 annually for software maintenance."
The migration away from Windows and Microsoft Office was always a phased approach.
Office --> Open Office first (Novell is now standardised across the company on OpenOffice 2.0)
Windows --> Linux workstations for those that can; based on business function, application needs and the 'savviness' of the user
Right now I'd say that a large proportion of development, test and technical people are using Novell Linux Desktop as their primary desktop. I can see this just by working with people in meetings.
I can't comment on the overall number of people using single boot Linux, dual boot or just Windows; all I can share is what I see - lots of people using Linux on a daily basis.
The next phase is 'filling the gaps' - seeing how knowledge workers and those with specific applications can move. The release of SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 in mid-year should help with a lot of these issues.
Remember - just like any project choose the visible, realistic goals - that's what Novell's IS&T team have done.
Alex
There are several inaccuracies in your post.
1 - yes you can still patch Red Hat. You need to keep legal with Red Hat Licensing - which means you mirror content from Red Hat Network and then deliver that out to your machines.
2 - the current version of ZLM does only run on SLES 9; however ZLM 6.x runs on RHEL and SLES; in the future you may see Novell re-add support for RHEL as a hosting server.
3 - Shitty Novellisms.. such as?
4 - if you've not had a good experience with moving from Red Carpet to ZLM ping me offline and I'll see what we can set up.
This is a nice review of 'patching Linux' - and it's a subject close to my heart.
Usual disclaimer - ZLM is partly my product and baby.
One thing that the review clearly describes - there's a lot of choice out there. From Red Hat Network; to Novell update; to YaST Online Update - and there there is yum, apt etc etc etc.
One of the cool things that ZENworks Linux Management brings to the table is the ability to integrate multiple sources of patches - RHN, YOU, Novell, roll-your-own, apt - and bring them into a central release server and control what goes where.
For those that are too small or don't want to shell out for ZENworks - remember there is also the fully open source Open Carpet product - http://opencarpet.org/
Rebranded//and// extended. ZLM7 is much improved over Red Carpet Enterprise 2 and the first releases of ZENworks Linux Management.
I know you (maw) know this - just posting for the slashdot record.:)
Red Carpet lives and breathes as ZENworks Linux Management.
In fact//I// have posted a few times on Slashdot about that transition.
The Red Carpet - now ZENworks Linux Management - engineering team are alive and well and working on the next release of the ZENworks Linux Management product line.
[As an aside - I know Slashdot is renowned for the innacuracy of posts - but this one just seems steeped in Gnome/KDE politics... Gnome, KDE - I really don't care so long as it's not the Win32 Shell...]
Key things - this is not just software distribution anymore - it's full stack management of Linux - server and workstation; Red Hat as well as SuSE/Novell.
As for customers - yes it's in use; yes Novell use it internally to manage their desktop and server machines.
Usual disclaimers.
Sure - if the customer is tying all of their management into Microsoft SMS 2003.
The SMS/Vintela story is good if you have Windows guys looking to have some simple Linux management. Contrast this to the ZENworks story that says - "We don't mind what you have".
ZENworks will run in a pure NetWare, pure Windows or a pure Linux environment. Most often it runs in a broadly heterogeneous world. You choose who manages what and what to install on and where to administer from.
Probably worth giving some background to this project.
ZENworks 7 Linux Management can trace its roots back to Ximian Red Carpet Enterprise.
What we* have done with this project is extended the really strong RPM delivery and dependancy resolution (messaged as software and patch management for Linux) and added much of the traditional ZENworks functionality.
What ZENworks 7 Linux Management aims to do is really change the story for managing Linux in the Enterprise; we're not targetting the hacker community here really (take a look at projects like OpenCarpet).
Novell will be including OS deployment via imaging as well policy-enabled AutoYaST and Kickstart (yes - it's cross distro!)
There will also be inventory and asset management, remote control and support, strong auditing and logging and the ZENworks one-to-many policy management.
Novell BrainShare is next week - we will be showcasing this and have live demo systems. There is also a 'Sneak Peek' online [registration required].
Personally I'm really excited that this will change the perceptions of Linux in the Enterprise - it certainly helps with customer migrations from Windows to Linux.
It's taken a large, distributed, cross discipline team to get this far - I'll ruin my Karma by thanking them all publicly.
* the Novell ZENworks business unit - which includes the Ximian Red Carpet Enterprise engineering and QA team.
Novell eDirectory has been available for many years running on Linux (as well as other platforms). Novell now own SUSE so I'd expect closer and tighter integration moving forward.
Take a look at some of the new integrations coming in Novell Open Enterprise Server built on SLES 9 server.
Remember Microsoft does actually sell Microsoft Office for Mac; also IE for Mac is pretty pure and better than IE on Windows.
I hope you don't mean Linux when you are saying cross platform:)
Slashdot Mirror
If you weren't posting as AC I'd probably see you were my manager :)
Quote from the pricing and announcement:
"The Novell Open Workgroup Suite includes the Linux* version of Novell Open Enterprise Server, Novell GroupWise® for Linux, Novell ZENworks® Suite, SUSE® Linux Enterprise Desktop and the popular OpenOffice.org. Pricing is $110 per device/user for a perpetual license and $75 annually for software maintenance."
Novell uses Novell ZENworks Linux Management internally to provide updates and patches to servers and desktops running Linux.
http://www.novell.com/products/zenworks/linuxmanag ement
for details.
The migration away from Windows and Microsoft Office was always a phased approach.
Office --> Open Office first (Novell is now standardised across the company on OpenOffice 2.0)
Windows --> Linux workstations for those that can; based on business function, application needs and the 'savviness' of the user
Right now I'd say that a large proportion of development, test and technical people are using Novell Linux Desktop as their primary desktop. I can see this just by working with people in meetings.
I can't comment on the overall number of people using single boot Linux, dual boot or just Windows; all I can share is what I see - lots of people using Linux on a daily basis.
The next phase is 'filling the gaps' - seeing how knowledge workers and those with specific applications can move. The release of SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 in mid-year should help with a lot of these issues.
Remember - just like any project choose the visible, realistic goals - that's what Novell's IS&T team have done.
Alex There are several inaccuracies in your post. 1 - yes you can still patch Red Hat. You need to keep legal with Red Hat Licensing - which means you mirror content from Red Hat Network and then deliver that out to your machines. 2 - the current version of ZLM does only run on SLES 9; however ZLM 6.x runs on RHEL and SLES; in the future you may see Novell re-add support for RHEL as a hosting server. 3 - Shitty Novellisms.. such as? 4 - if you've not had a good experience with moving from Red Carpet to ZLM ping me offline and I'll see what we can set up.
This is a nice review of 'patching Linux' - and it's a subject close to my heart. Usual disclaimer - ZLM is partly my product and baby. One thing that the review clearly describes - there's a lot of choice out there. From Red Hat Network; to Novell update; to YaST Online Update - and there there is yum, apt etc etc etc. One of the cool things that ZENworks Linux Management brings to the table is the ability to integrate multiple sources of patches - RHN, YOU, Novell, roll-your-own, apt - and bring them into a central release server and control what goes where. For those that are too small or don't want to shell out for ZENworks - remember there is also the fully open source Open Carpet product - http://opencarpet.org/
Rebranded //and// extended. ZLM7 is much improved over Red Carpet Enterprise 2 and the first releases of ZENworks Linux Management.
I know you (maw) know this - just posting for the slashdot record. :)
Red Carpet lives and breathes as ZENworks Linux Management. In fact //I// have posted a few times on Slashdot about that transition.
The Red Carpet - now ZENworks Linux Management - engineering team are alive and well and working on the next release of the ZENworks Linux Management product line.
[As an aside - I know Slashdot is renowned for the innacuracy of posts - but this one just seems steeped in Gnome/KDE politics... Gnome, KDE - I really don't care so long as it's not the Win32 Shell...]
Look at using Novell NetMail with Novell eDirectory.
It's fast, cost effective, standards based, scalable - and it runs on Linux, Windows, Solaris - or even NetWare.
For 100 users it will be just great.
If you want open source - and depending on your acceptance of 'newness and risk' - look at Hula - again based on the NetMail codebase.
Is there another?
Key things - this is not just software distribution anymore - it's full stack management of Linux - server and workstation; Red Hat as well as SuSE/Novell.
As for customers - yes it's in use; yes Novell use it internally to manage their desktop and server machines. Usual disclaimers.
Look at Open Carpet as well as the Open Source ZLM (formerly Red Carpet)client
For small shops it should be enough. For hackers and developers - it's free (see above)
Sure - if the customer is tying all of their management into Microsoft SMS 2003. The SMS/Vintela story is good if you have Windows guys looking to have some simple Linux management. Contrast this to the ZENworks story that says - "We don't mind what you have". ZENworks will run in a pure NetWare, pure Windows or a pure Linux environment. Most often it runs in a broadly heterogeneous world. You choose who manages what and what to install on and where to administer from.
ZENworks 7 Linux Management can trace its roots back to Ximian Red Carpet Enterprise.
What we* have done with this project is extended the really strong RPM delivery and dependancy resolution (messaged as software and patch management for Linux) and added much of the traditional ZENworks functionality.
What ZENworks 7 Linux Management aims to do is really change the story for managing Linux in the Enterprise; we're not targetting the hacker community here really (take a look at projects like OpenCarpet).
Novell will be including OS deployment via imaging as well policy-enabled AutoYaST and Kickstart (yes - it's cross distro!)
There will also be inventory and asset management, remote control and support, strong auditing and logging and the ZENworks one-to-many policy management.
Novell BrainShare is next week - we will be showcasing this and have live demo systems. There is also a 'Sneak Peek' online [registration required].
Personally I'm really excited that this will change the perceptions of Linux in the Enterprise - it certainly helps with customer migrations from Windows to Linux.
It's taken a large, distributed, cross discipline team to get this far - I'll ruin my Karma by thanking them all publicly.
* the Novell ZENworks business unit - which includes the Ximian Red Carpet Enterprise engineering and QA team.
Go on - mod me down for not being objective ;)
Actually if you are a software developer you can work with Novell and bundle upto 250k seats of eDirectory 'free/beer' with your product.
:)
So the directory side of things is not 'pay-at-the-door'
Usual disclaimers.
I forgot to include the links ;)
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Karma whore links below:
http://www.novell.com/products/openenterprisese
http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/
http://www.novell.com/zenworks
You didn't ask for open source.
:)
Novell eDirectory has been available for many years running on Linux (as well as other platforms). Novell now own SUSE so I'd expect closer and tighter integration moving forward.
Take a look at some of the new integrations coming in Novell Open Enterprise Server built on SLES 9 server.
Disclaimer - I'm a Novell person
Sounds like Digital Terrestrial TV currently rolling out across the UK - Information from the BBC and here's the UK Govt information.
Linux client and server coming soon - announced at LinuxWorld in SF just a few months ago. Clicky here for more
Here is the link
All fun and games in Utah.
I donated before the pro version was available. I saw Trillian, liked it, moved away from ICQ and AIM clients and then donated.
Trillian provides a unified and consolidated view of all of these IM worlds - but you can't send from ICQ to AIM or vice-versa.
btw - I donated and use Trillian Pro.
Remember Microsoft does actually sell Microsoft Office for Mac; also IE for Mac is pretty pure and better than IE on Windows. I hope you don't mean Linux when you are saying cross platform :)
The cost of the workstation (anywhere between $600 and $1500) has often been far outweighed by the cost of (for example):
Windows Server client access license
MS SQL Server CAL
MS Office license
MS Exchange license
MS SMS license