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Los Alamos to Use AMD's Opteron in Linux Clusters
nuke-alwin writes "eWeek is reporting that Los Alamos National Laboratory announced it will use more than 3,300 Opteron chips in two of its Linux clusters. According to the article 'The key to Opteron, as it tries to gain traction not only against Intel Corp.'s 64-bit Itanium chip but also its 32-bit Xeon offerings, is its ability to run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications equally well.'"
Intel can't compete with the Opteron on merits alone. It will be interesting to see what they try next.
$2,306,700 and that is if they order their SCO liscenses before mid-October. I wonder whether the state of Utah won't suffer an un-accounted for nuclear accident in close vicinity to SCO's offices.
Doesn't the 32 bit compatibility need a reboot to use, then another reboot back to 64? I've been reading a thread about Opterons on spymac where someone insisted this was the case.
Anyone know for sure either way?
IBM did that.
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
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Perhaps eWeek should look into getting 3300 Opterons themselves?
Article text anyone?
Still plenty of floor space in the new building.
That they were to pony up millions of $$$ for free software, Los Alamos has decided to change the mission.
The new object of the project is precise targeting of the
Manhatten Project II on SCO HQ so as to cause as little collateral damage to Utah residents.
Remember, when you hear the siren, duck and cover.
*/waves buh bye to SCO/*
Intel chips are also made in china.
Los Alamos to get Lightning computer system from Linux Networx
LANL
For more specific technical detail on the supercomputer Linux Networx is building for Los Alamos, go to
LNXI Newsroom
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Opteron 246 Overclocking Benchmarks
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What people don't realize is that while the Pentiums they used before might not have been as quick, they were nevertheless a better buy because they served a dual purpose of, besides computing, producing enough heat to trigger small fusion reactions simply by placing certain radioactive isotopes close to the computer
This doubling of utility made the Pentiums far superior, i think, to the AMDs for Los Alamos' use, but i guess some suit at a desk ignorant of the technical issues just wasn't aware of that
Your tax dollars at work i suppose
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Isn't that what they're making? If so, why imagine it?
Alas that most websites don't set their servers up to survive a slashdotting. Perhaps the web would be a better place if they did.
some Opteron chips in some Linux **web servers**. Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0126' Include file not found /article2/0,3959,1220701,00.asp, line 891
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You mean besides the fact that they keep melting the board?
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Actually, intel doesn't manufacture motherboards in USA. I think most of their motherboards are manufactured in Malaysia or in Ireland. (I know this because I used to work for a Taiwanese grey market dealer I.e. their token english speaking salesman)
If I remember right, the pentiumII's (and probably most of the modern P4's) are made in the phillipines. Phillipines is notorious for having Taliban sympathizers that have kidnapped and killed US tourist there.
so as to cause as little collateral damage to Utah residents.
Why?. Its not as though Utah residents haven't been sucking up the rads for decades now.
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eweek has a cunning defense against the /. effect. It consists of a daemon that determines when the site is being slashdotted and then sets the webserver to give an error message for a preset period of time. Till, oh, lets say the admin comes in in the morning and has his cup of coffee.
Wen Ho Lee had been fired from the lab and lost his access to secure areas before the hard drive incident, so it's not too surprising that he was found not at fault for that. He is also not at fault for the Cerro Grande fire that sent us scurrying from town in the dark of night, nor is he currently thought to be a suspect in the local Blockbuster Video's inability to keep an unscratched DVD of "Shanghai Knights" in stock.
Sheesh.
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Yeah, and you also need to reboot your Pentiums to run 16-bit code.
It is just the state of a flag in a control register. In particular, see page 68 of
AMD's Opteron System Programming Guide.
64-bit mode is enabled with the flip of bit 8 of the EFER Model-Specific Register. Otherwise it defaults to 32-bit mode. OS designers should test/set this bit just before running a thread in the scheduler, or jumping into system code as it can only be modified by code running in ring 0. This is the same way people treated the Virtual-8086 (16-bit) mode bit in CR0. In fact, you can combine the protected-mode, virtual-8086 mode, and "long mode" bits to have a variety of register-size and memory addressing modes per thread.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
put bugs (listening devices) in the walls of the governmental buildings around the country
You mean like the US planted bugs in the new Chinese presidential airplane?
but when it comes to national security
It's a computer chip. Plug it in, it crunches numbers.
What would stop them from putting data-wrangling code into the Opteron chips?
Because the numbers that it crunches would be wrong. Remember Intel's bugs? People find them. Besides, computational experiments are built with a certain redundancy and lots of checks.
It's a non-issue and you're being paranoid. Been watching a little too much Faux News recently?
Quoth the author:
nuke-alwin writes "eWeek is reporting that Los Alamos National Laboratory announced it will use more than 3,300 Opteron chips in two of its Linux clusters...." (emphasis mine)
From lanl.gov:
Lightning includes 2,816 Opteron processors from Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), making it the largest Opteron system delivered in 2003 and the first 64-bit Linux supercomputer in the ASCI program.
Last I checked, 2816 is less than 3,300, though I can't get to the e-week article. Are the extra 500 chips in case of failure? But an 18% failure rate seems rather high....
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I don't understand why it received *interesting* rating. This is more of a flamebate.
First, Intel makes their chips where it is the cheapst. Pentium was designed from a group in Isreal. Consider the history of Isreal collabrating with Jews in US spying and steal info out of US military and companies, would it be possible that the Isrealies gov might thought about pressure the researh group to put some special circuit into the chip so they can steal more US secrets. In addition, Intel regularly ship the material to overseas for final assemblies in places like Malay. Remember that IRS wanted 600mil from Intel because Intel ship material overseas for final assembly? The IRS considered it as not totally made in USA therefore they don't get the tax credit.
Besides, if you look at motherboards, I can't find anyone making them from the US. The market is simply too compatitive. The labor along is too expesnive in US. Companies like Intel is a globalized company and they will ship stuff to where it is the cheapest. It is no better then AMD.
Personally, I believe that Intel's marketing people and Berret need to get their heads out of their collective asses and quit telling people what they need and don't need. The current slogan at Intel is "One Generation Ahead". Well, it's time to put the slogan to practice and produce some 64bit chips that is backward comp. to the existing 32bit apps and beat everything that AMD can dream up.
I'm a computer scientist, and still 3,300 Opteron chips in the lab's setup blows my mind.
Wow.
" It is well-known that the Opteron chips and mobos are manufactured in mainland China"
Not according to AMD: AMD Opteron(TM) Processor
All Opterons are made in Germany.
The only two fabs they they have are Dresden, Germany(fab 30) and Austin, Texas(fab 25).
Whenever the offence inspires less horror than the punishment, the rigour of penal law is obliged to give way...
All the troll/flamebait moderators must be without power.
Someone already pointed out that the Opeterons are fabricated at the Fab30 in Dresden. AFAIK, AMD has no fabs in China and I'm not aware that they even do assembly there.
But the most farciful (Note to grammer Nazi's: Yes I did just make up that word.) statement is your post is this one:
What would stop them from putting data-wrangling code into the Opteron chips?
So even if the Opteron was fabbed in China, you think that the Chinese James Bond is just going to slip in an entirely new chip design into the assembly line and none of the automated or manual microscopic inspections each chip undergoes is going to notice that there are an extra 25,000 transistors over there and these other 30,000 transistors are in the wrong place?
And as another person pointed out, Intel does very little manufactering in the USA these days. At least AMD has a fab in Texas. I couldn't find any info on Intel's fab locations quickly, but I don't recall that they have a large scale one in the USA anymore, but that's complete guestimating.
You sound as bad as the lady at work that thinks buying Microsoft is her patriotic duty!
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I was waiting to reuse this link I found on here the other day. What you need is one of these.
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Actually the problem is with the connection and not the server setup. A P3-1.3GHz can serve millions of static pages. The problem is that when the bandwidth is saturated more requests are fed into the queue and quickly fill up memory until no new requests can even be queued.
You need the 64 bit OS, as you might expect, because allowing an application to address a 64 bit memory space while the OS is only capable of managing a 32 bit one, well, wouldn't work out very well. Hint: It's really tough returning from system calls made from the upper few terabytes of memory.
So, a 32 bit OS starts out "seeing" your standard 32 bit X86 CPU. This is the legacy mode, and looks like any 32 bit CPU out there today.
On Opteron, a 64 bit OS will also know how to set the new "Long Mode". Bzzt...A bunch of new instructions and handy registers magically appear.
From there, the OS can mark each code segment (your program) as being in "Compatibilty" (32 bit) or "64 bit" mode.
For more than you ever wanted to know...
Opteron Tech Manuals can be found here.
I saw quite a few of their new clusters ready to ship out. I had to constantly wipe the drool off my face while I watched them assemble 2GHZ dual Opteron boxes with 2GB RAM per processor. Their tech is impressive. They have their Ice Box control units and quite a bit of custom control/monitoring hardware that makes building your own cluster seem less advantageous.
They boast #3 on the worlds fastest super computers, so questions about Linux on the "Enterprise" should be easily resolved.
This Tom's hardware review of Opteron vs. Xeon is quite interesting to give a better feel for comparison to todays speeds.
It will be nice when we have some numbers to compare Itanium II direct 64 bit to Opteron, although it doesn't seem much can save the Itanic IMHO.
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...is that AMD opened their platform well enough to the LinuxBIOS developers while Intel basically told them to screw off and live with EFI. Here is what Ron Minnich had to say earlier on the LinuxBIOS mailing list.
Don't forget the "G5" (PPC 970). It runs 64/32. Not sure how to compare the price since you can't buy G5s alone (damn Apple). But as I recall, a dual MB with two of the fastest Opterons on the market ran to about $2,000 USD on Pricewatch. The dual 2Ghz G5 is 3 grand. So 1 grand difference but you get a sweet case, DVD-R, 160GB HDD, 512 RAM, Radeon 9600, keyboard, mouse, OS, all their onboard stuff, and 9 fans.
FUD and FUD alone. I bought a dual Opteron and am using it right now.
:) It has a horribly slow software emulation layer to run 32 bit apps.
The Opteron's lower 32 bit registers look just like an Athlon's or P4 registers. When code wants to run in 32 bit mode, it just uses those registers. When the second process wants to run in 64 bit, it uses the lower 32 bit registers as well as the upper 32 new registers.
It's the Itanium chips (64 bit from Intel) that you are thinging of.
AMDs 32 bit implentation is in the silicon. Can't beat that.
look at the close up... you may notice the MADE IN MALASIA markings...
Now, maybe that's just the engineering sample, but a tech at Linux Networx told me today that they just got a large shipment of 2GHZ Opterons direct from Singapore...
My Linux Command of the Day site : LCOD
Can you say SMP can you say SCO can you say pay lets see how much can you ask from the OS licensee to the mother of all clusters. Dig deep Los Alamos you are very close to where Davy Crocket died and just might find that Utah has some wild SCO tribal war chant starting up. The Sco Lawyers are passing around the war pipe (filled with crack) right now thinking about how to attack the Long Knives over in New Mexico. Maybe this might turn into a US Agencies new version of Clusters Last stand!
OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
You did notice that the chip in the THG picture says "Engineering Sample" on it, right? It's conceivable that the production Opterons will be made in Germany, right?
What he *actually* said was, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Granted, it's debatable as to how much initiative he took in its creation, but he was in fact involved in legislation and funding that helped to shape it.
Whenever I see this twisting of words and facts perpetuated, it reminds me of the fools who just can't say nuclear (it's "noo-clee-ar", not "noo-kyoo-lar", damn it!!!).
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The CPU packaging is done in Malaysia or Singapore, the actual dies themselves are all fabbed in Dresden, Germany.
Are you insane? So what if a country has terrorists, it's no use blaming the whole country.
The USA has terrorists, but there's no point painting everyone in it as terrorists.
Opteron has alot of really good peripheral interface numbers, most clearly better than I2. So AMD's a bit ahead of getting data in, out, and around the machine.
Itanium is rumored to have a more scalable internal archtecture. So Intel may be further along in getting more instructions executed per second inside the CPU core.
Both are in positions to fix their shortcomings over time.
Opteron clearly does better in 32 bit land and mixed 32/64 bit lands.
"Price/Performance" benchmarks, like TCP-C, has the Opteron performance costing about half the I2. but not so fast per CPU. A 4x1.5Ghz I2 weighs in at 121,065.13 and a 4x1.8Ghz Opteron at 82,226.46.
Just as AMD says, I like Opteron for the fine compatibility mode. I usually run a instances of packaged code, like databases or web servers, on the same machine as my propriatary application(s). I can get my app to 64 bits, and wait for the packages to catch up one-by-one, as they may.
I really don't want to split various packages and components across various machines and a network.
Net-Net, Linux will run on both, just fine. Buy Opteron today, move to I2 when everything you run is 64 bit. Maybe AMD will catch up by then, or not. It just doesn't matter -- its all Linux.
Now, Windows is a risk. Microsoft could abandon either one, at any time. They've done it before. Choose wisely.
...they didn't even try running anything in 64-bit mode. I want to know how much faster 64-bit native stuff will run vs. 32-bit stuff.
When will we have 64-bit native q3a? Come on Carmack, stop fiddling with your rocket and get cracking! The benchmarking websites demand it.
Fuck Beta. Fuck Dice
With the hat, even sco can't see you. every one run out and get the hat before sco claims they own that too!
What? Linux IS the enterprise unix, being a lot, but name a few Windows enterprise setups then name all the Linux/unix's, come on now
On a serious note since it's based on LinuxBIOS they have a system where you can launch another Kernel without taking the system down. It is quite clever and you can optimize alternative kernels for the program you are running, incl 32 vs 64 bit.
Help fight continental drift.
When I read stories such as this, I really start to wonder what type of dumbfucks run IBM. By closing the hardware support for the 970, they've bascially prevented their chip from becoming a player in these massively parallel computing environments.
Who wants to buy 3000 IBM or Apple branded boxes when you can get 64-bit Opterons with whatever box maker you want? Doesn't that make a lot more sense to the bottom line? The most annoying part is I am sure you are bound to using IBM service contracts as part of the deal.
Intel has fabs in Arizona(fab12), New Mexico(fab 11), Massachusets(fab17), Colorado(fab23), Oregon(fabs 20, D1C, and soon to open D1D) and at least 2 fabs in California(don't know thier names). There is a fab in Ireland and one in Israel. I'm not aware of any Intel fabs in Asia at all. The facillities in Malaysia, China and Phillipines are assembly. The bulk of Intel's manufacturing is in the US.
At The Register. Sad that all this power is being used to simulate nuclear weapons (and presumably speed up GWB's adoption of battlefield mini-nukes), rather than its proper purpose of getting more fps at UT2003.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Intel:
- Malaysia and Ireland, you're right.
AMD:
- Malaysia and Germany (Dresden if I'm not mistaken).
But labelling any country as a terrorist sympathizer is just plain dumb.
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That's like asking: "Is windows enterprise ready"
I am sorry, but either your a troll, braindead, or just live under a rock.
Is linux enterprise ready.. shesh *shakes head*
Dear Strongbad,
How do you type at a beowulf cluster with boxing gloves on your hands?
They are buying the cluster from Linux Networx who are a Canopy Group company Like SCO. Perhaps Linux Networks customers are immune to the SCO claim. I think it would be interesting to ask them, and Canopy who obviously support the SCO claim.
Yeah, I think this is the interesting aspect of the whole thing. My guess is Linux Networx may quickly become one of the big SCO licensees, at which point the money from the Linux gig becomes funnelled in to the anti-Linux legal fund. :-(
sigs are a waste of space
$2,306,700 and that is if they order their SCO liscenses before mid-October. I wonder whether the state of Utah won't suffer an un-accounted for nuclear accident in close vicinity to SCO's offices.
/. might have mentioned that "some mormon commitee is full of hot air and it" instead of all this "trying to sue the world"/"take over computer industry"/"overthrow GPL" crap...
SCO hq in Utah ? I didn't know that, and I'm guessing if more people had known this from the start I may have never even heard of SCO.
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The age of WinTel ends, and the age of LinAMD begins
begging the question is using a circular argument
you should go take some English classes
Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba, Libya...
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We all know that since the BigMac cardboard container says, MADE IN CHINA that the sandwich inside must have also been MADE IN CHINA. Or maybe we are more intelligent than that? No wait, you are calling the people with the only cpu in the world that can stand up to Intel, morons. You my friend need to get a fucking clue. You are nothing but a pasty dweeb who's greatest kick in life is posting crap like whatever the fuck that shit was. And you don't even KNOW THE NAMES of any techs at LNX, so don't start dropping names you don't even know you fuckin punk.
I'm sorry,
next time I'll rtfa,
I promise.
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I dont know who was asleep at the switch over in intel land but surely that guy is one job less after rejecting the idea to use the same backwards compatibility idea that made things so successful in the 16 bit to 32 bit switch all those years ago.
Now I get to watch a chip company I've supported (AMD) for years finally succeed. I just hope they stand by and keep their good prices for performance and not start to charge more for their chips if they become top dog or at least get a lot closer to knocking Intel off their high horse.
One of the very serious problem related to building
Itanium clusters is their very high power
consumption and the associated heat removal problem.
It's okay for a few server in a room, but for
cluster trying to pack boxes is a key point of the
architecture. Apparently Opteron is not too bad
since there are dual Opteron in 1U server format
design commonly available, and it was overheating
that would be known by now, but for the Itanium(2)
cluster I know off, they never managed to get the
full cluster running without bringing either the
power supply down or the air conditionning down.
Itanium 1 was notoriously power hungry and
a common source of joke about this, Itanium 2 is
certainly better in this respect, but the clock
speed has been multiplied by nearly 3, I really
doubt they could compensate the initial problem
enough to get the new high speed chip to get back
to a decent consumption.
On the other hand Opteron seems quite better
probably getting the benefit of all the power
consumption research that AMD did during the 90's
where AMD chip were at the time consuming significantly more than Intel equivalents.
Now if someone has the time to make a search :-)
for the advertized power consumption of both chip
that would be a really interesting post
Daniel
The supremacy of good over evil can be maintained only when the good guys have the biggest guns. There is no doubt in my mind that a group like al Qaeda or a whacko like Kim Jong Il would use nukes (to explode or extort) if they had them. Would your solution be to unilaterally disarm and hope that the bad guys would beneficently agree to give up their quest for power? That is pretty naive.
The 8086 was the 16 bit chip...
but it was too expensive to use
at the time...so the 8088 was a compromise.
The 80286 was the next progression
on the 8086. The main difference
between the 8086 and the 80286
is that 286 went faster.
It's spelt out in full, page 225:
(...)
(emphasis mine)
So, in other words:
- SSE is twice as fast as single-precision x87
- their initial implementation of SSE2 is actually just an implementation of the instruction set, the actual execution units are borrowed from the x87 and have the same throughput limitations
- if you are writing really large code, you might get some benefits from SSE2 because of L1 savings (but your case has to be pretty borderline for that to make a significant difference, or you have to be able to interleave a significant amount of integer code with your FP code that using SSE2 frees enough decoder bandwith).
- In the future, they might bother with spending more space for more double-precision FP units (I'd think that if they can sort out the manufacturing problems, and the HPC segment seems like the area they're selling to, then it may make sense to spend a few mm to double SSE2 performance. Depends on who actually buys Opterons once the software/OS front lines are settled)
- Today's AMD64 SSE2 performance in double-precision is not going to be leaps away from their x87 stuff (unlike the P4), but you have to remember that AMD's x87 is really good.
- Don't forget that in long mode, you have 16 128-bit registers, which may help your compiler make more out of SSE2/64 code than x87 code; some benchmarks with SSE/SSE2 enabled compilers would help clarifiy whether that's the case or not.
So in short, yeah, they claim a somewhat faster SSE, but their SSE2 is mostly a "yep we can run that code too" item rather than "yep, we can run that code too, and faster to boot".You call people naive and then refer to 'the supremacy of good over evil'.. think about it dumbass.
That's right. In several email conversations, I questioned Vint Cerf about this, and he said that Al Gore was extremely important in making DarpaNet, a research tool at a U.S. government organization, into the Internet, a public utility available to all.
DARPA is the U.S. government's violence research department. DARPA is devoted to finding more efficient ways to kill people. In the beginning of networking computers together, there was no intention of benefiting anyone.
According to Mr. Cerf, Al Gore recognized the importance of a public computer network long before other public officials knew anything about computers, and made sure the public network had funding.
Some have called Mr. Cerf, "The Father of the Internet", but, as his biography says, many people were involved. Mr. Gore was the main promoter, "father", of the public utility we now call the Internet.
The only type of traction I want to hear is about some big knobby tires kicking up the mud making my SUV's paint job unnoticable.
I thought that dumb rednecks had some sort of unique genetic composition preventing them from entering the hi-tech sector. Something about being dumb as a brick. oh well, I guess they turn up in the most unlikely places.
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My comment: That's right. In several email conversations, I questioned Vint Cerf about this, and he said that Al Gore was extremely important in making DarpaNet, a research tool at a U.S. government organization, into the Internet, a public utility available to all.
DARPA is the U.S. government's violence research department. DARPA is devoted to finding more efficient ways to kill people. In the beginning of networking computers together, there was no intention of benefiting anyone.
According to Mr. Cerf, Al Gore recognized the importance of a public computer network long before other public officials knew anything about computers, and made sure the public network had funding.
Some have called Mr. Cerf, "The Father of the Internet", but, as his biography says, many people were involved. Mr. Gore was the main promoter, "father", of the public utility we now call the Internet.
As a taxpayer, I demand that any spare computing power on government hardware be put to use for dedicated game server time.
It's worth the security risk.
My vote is for Halflife 2.
Offensive.
I think they're using Opteron processors to be more compatible with the aliens' OS.
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Offtopic, yada yada.
In case you care, you may have made up "farciful", but it's not far off the real word for this purpose, "farcical".
If you didn't care, ignore zees post.
Hmm, I'd sure like to hear the explanation for the "ASSEMBLED IN MALAYSIA" stamp on Opteron processors then.
Opteron Photo
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Simulating nuclear weapons is a heck of a lot better than finding out 'the old way'. If we're going to HAVE nukes (and there's no turning back now, I'm afraid) we may as well have the right ones for the job. I'd rather have them develop 'right-size' weapons for the post-cold war era than use giant 1970's warheads on third-world dictators. I find it foolish to demand reductions in 'collateral damage' while simultaneously demanding limits on harmless weapons simulations aimed at reducing said damage.
I'd rather have 20 very accurate, very small nukes in our arsenal than the thousands of ICBMs we have now, it would be just as effective a deterrent; getting there means money and (simulated) testing.
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See link here
This one is an IBM made one. Pretty interesting.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
At least according to the SCO licensing FAQ. They're saying that people who bought SCO's Linux are going to have to buy an IP License as well.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that the Opteron performs better than any Intel offering. According to the latest SPEC results, the Itanium2 blows past it while even some Pentium 4s beat it out. The Opteron price, meanwhile, is roughly in parity with Xeons (Opterons are not cheap; have you actually compared prices lately?).
This is apples and oranges IMO.
This post was made by I, Mojo Trolljo, for you to read that was written by I who is Mojo Trolljo!
The chips are fabricated in Dresden and packaged in Malaysia.
...what happens when a beowulf cluster of SCO lawyers attacks a Linux cluster of Opertons. Film at 11.
...I'm dating his sister. And she's a cutie, too.
Just thought I'd mention that.
> All the troll/flamebait moderators must be without power.
..Intel does very little manufactering in the USA these days.
Indeed.
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As someone else already pointed out, almost all of Intel's manufacturing is in the US.
Look here. The facilities outside the US are mostly assembly, while processors and such are made at the FABs in Oregon, California and Arizona.
Fantasy time! If I worked in Los Alamos I would; 1 definately be in the lead in SET@home, and 2 My Quake FPS would be pretty good I suspect...
later.
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Probably off-topic, but when might we start seeing IBM-branded computers with the 970 available? Before the Apple Party Line gets going, please understand that i'm not looking for a cheap box to run OS X on.
I'm more interested in a decent, low-power-using (iirc) 64-bit package for GNU/Linux and FreeBSD.
I will admit right up front that there are many people more clueful about this than me, but from what i understand, AMDs new chips (and mobo designs) are great and all, but they are continuing the legacy of "kludge on top of kludge on top of kludge" in hardware design that goes back to the 8088. I thought that Intel was trying to wipe the slate clean and start from scratch, to "clean up" the PC hardware architecture, so to speak.
I dig AMD and all, but they are sure to undermine this effort with their "64-bit Kludge" processors.
And as for performance, yes i understand that 64-bit hardware does you no benefit if you run all 32-bit apps. But the apps will come. And also, my entire post here is completely beside all the "Performance and Benchmark" debates going on between AMD, Intel and Apple's benchmark announcements. Performance-wise, my 1533Mhz Athlon is quite sufficient for all the things i do (hell, my 300hp K6-II is still 100% useable every day).
I guess i just want better engineered hardware that puts out less heat, noise and has fewer internal performance mismatches and bottlenecks.
Disclaimer: I have all AMD systems, I dislike OS X, I hate Windows, I'm not trolling and i wasn't the one that spray-painted your cat.
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I was able to find this document (PDF warning) that doesn't speak about volume, but does tell exactly what each Fab does and on what process. Fabrication of logic products (which I assume to mean processors and such) is done at the following facilities:
Fab 22 - Chandler, Arizona
Fab 12 - Chandler, Arizona
D2 - Santa Clara, California
Fab 10/14 - Leixlip, Ireland
Fab 24 (under construction) - Leixlib, Ireland
Fab 8 - Jerusalem, Israel
Fab 18 - Qiryat Gat, Israel
Fab 17 - Hudson, Massachusetts
Fab 11 - Hudson, Massachusetts
Fab 11X - Rio Rancho, New Mexico
D1C - Hillsboro, Oregon
Fab 20 - Hillsboro, Oregon
Like I said, it doesn't say anything about volume, but about 1/3 of their logic fabrication facilities are international.
Interesting stuff.
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Where are the slash-groupies? I distinctly remember being promised slash-groupies!
It's "Grammar Nazis", not "Grammer Nazi's".
AMD makes one single sale that's bigger than Intel's combined Itanic sales...
Do you have ESP?
Whenever I see this twisting of words and facts perpetuated, it reminds me of the fools who just can't say nuclear (it's "noo-clee-ar", not "noo-kyoo-lar", damn it!!!). Yeah. What about the rubes that prounce it "ZEE"? It's "ZED"! Not "ZEE"! Get over it. You guys elected a guy that pronounces Nuclear the same way Homer Simpson does. Not much you can do about it now. Besides, you've only had the guy in office for what? 2 or 3 years? We've had a Cretin in the big office for over a decade (to be replaced with another one in February).
Here's what Vint Cerf had to say on the matter as forwarded by Declan McCullaugh.
wow, you must still be pissed about 2000....
Quoting from:
Morningstar.com
Is Management on Your Side?
Friday August 15, 7:00 am ET
By Jeremy Lopez
"The best example of compensation abuses I can think of is AMD. Jerry Sanders not only earned almost $1 million last year for being chairman (which is egregious by itself), but he has also received large bonuses two out of the past three years, and $500,000 on average over the past three years for transportation costs. Last year, $183,900 of this was for car expenses. The Mercury News recently explained why: Because Sanders lives in Southern California and works in Sunnyvale (no, they're not close), he needs two cars and two drivers. Yes, this is the same AMD that has also been a perennial laggard in the chip sector."
I have a better sense as to why there was so little impact on the stock price...Should I sell my AMD? Is this Morningstar reporters analysis something worth considering or just FUD sensationalism to the end of a quick story hack?
It's not colo server, it's space on a server.
My used Dell 2450, cost $500 with
dual 667MHz CPU, 1gig RAM, 100gig RAID 5 presently
sits less than 4ms from uunet and global backbones
with aggregate 90mbps for a whopping $100/mo. And, it's 2 distinct SONET rings, has 48hour of battery backed by 10 days of diesel.
Includes 5.2*10^^12 bits/month transfer allowance!
Da Blog
seems like a perfectly reasonable comment to me...
I wish I could get drugs as strong as whatever the moderators smoke
now THIS is a troll... you stupid moderators!
An IIS server farm?
Now THAT sounds like a intelligent thing to do!
You make me laugh.
Does this mean that eBay will be flooded with stolen Opterons?
But I like peanut clusters more.
They rock.
Linux has nothing on peanut clusters
This is not about that stupid "election", it's about a lie that gets repeated over and over again. And when you call them on it w/ facts they just spew 'get over it!', as if that has any relevance toward the lie they just spewed. Either you accept a base line of fact and truth in reasoning or you're just another political sophist.
And it's a particular hang-up that people like yourself insist on carrying around to this day. Good Lord, I think most people realize that he was referencing his "legislative" lead taken in creating a publicly-available world-wide network.
Sheesh... grow a sense of humor and register already.