if the punishment is worse than the crime than society itself is the source of crime
sadism is not justice
in general, we take cues from our culture and our society about how to treat each other. brutality is answered with brutality. a society with brutal punishments is a miserable place where people treat each other excessively harshly for stupid shit: that becomes the norm. should it be?
the idea of justice is not punitive revenge. that creates a violent feedback loop. you want to dampen that feedback, not amplify it
this applies to everything: bad behavior in the office, getting pulled over for a traffic infraction, how to deal with mscreants in the school system
a society that has punishments that are too harsh simply reaps more brutal crimes
yes there are "tough on crime" assholes everywhere. such douchebags must never prevail and set policy. they only create that which they dislike. they are the source of crime themselves by teaching everyone you should be excessive and ridiculously forceful in your response to sleights. brutal cruel shitbags cannot set the tone. they should be ignored, or caught in their excessive cruelty and punished themselves
because if the punishment is worse than the crime than society itself is the source of crime
in general, we take cues from our culture and our society about how to treat each other. brutality is answered with brutality. a society with brutal punishments is a miserable place where people treat each other excessively harshly for stupid shit: that becomes the norm. should it be?
the idea of justice is not punitive revenge. that creates a violent feedback loop. you want to dampen that feedback, not amplify it
this applies to everything: bad behavior in the office, getting pulled over for a traffic infraction, how to deal with mscreants in the school system
a society that has punishments that are too harsh simply reaps more brutal crimes
yes there are "tough on crime" assholes everywhere. such douchebags must never prevail and set policy. they only create that which they dislike. they are the source of crime themselves by teaching everyone you should be excessive and ridiculously forceful in your response to sleights. they are brutal cruel shitbags and they set the tone. they should be ignored, or caught in their excessive cruelty and punished themselves. sadism is not justice
ignoring works for certain topics: copycat suicides, or mass killers. people who actively seek fame or people who are swayed by the news
but the topic here is extortion. it's not impressive, it's not something people will copy, and it actually helps the extortionist to keep it quiet: isolate the victim
if justice is more brutal than the crime, then it is not justice
all punishments for all crimes must be less sever than the crime in question
or society itself generates brutality and crime
chopping off hands for theft in sharia law, caning for vandalism in singapore, or locking a guy up for years for smoking pot in the USA: none are not justice
and you, and people who think like you, asking for death for petty extortion, you are worse criminals than the crime you hate
this entire thread sounds like a repost from 1998. not much has changed on this topic in 15-20 years
personally, i think google *may* find some way to kill off windows in 5-10 years
i'm not talking about chromebooks, i'm talking about how android has destroyed windows in the phone market. google is leveraging and will continue to leverage phone dependence to make desktops and tablets something you want the same interaction with, content sharing with, seamless switching, etc.
i'm not saying exactly what that compelling need is, but obviously microsoft can't leverage the desktop to compel people to put windows on their phone. so google *might* be able to do the opposite with some must-have need or want
ps: i'm purposefully ignoring apple. i never owned an apple product in my life. too pricey. we're talking about the masses here, not the middle class of rich countries and the upper middle class of everywhere else. apple is just a luxury brand walled garden, an outlier
great, nothing to see here, move along, cross your fingers it will stay with some rubber cement
then i made a hilariously inept attempt to solder tiny connections of the new USB port with a fat soldering iron and some eye glass repair magnifying glass
but lo and behold it worked. it charged!...for half an hour. now it's dead as a door knob
here's the real issue:
i don't have the time to do this shit, and the cost of modern electronics makes the cost of new electronics compared to the time investment to attempt a repair means repair is not an option
go to repair places and the cost of a repair is also prohibitively expensive as compared to the cost of a new item
therefore: welcome to our throwaway culture
i tried. i really did
i just don't have the time or patience anymore, not to join now myself
yes, if you believe markets regulate themselves, you're not deluded. you're a moron
well, actually they do regulate themselves: the oligarchs get together and agree on how much to rape smaller players and consumers
that's the reality of (economic *) libertarian ideas, whether or not the retards understand that it is
* social ilbertarianism is completely valid, and the original meaning of libertarianism (no rules on drugs, on who to marry, on what to wear, on what to say or publish, etc.)... before plutocrats began using a kind of propaganda for useful fools that became known as "libertarianism" in the usa
yes, asshole, you did. you completely misrepresented liberalism
of course life is unfair. nobody is fighting that. there is no "stubborn refusal" to accept a basic fucking fact of life
liberalism is to about basic fairness *between people*
especially in regards to a social, religious, cultural, economic, or political structures
no liberal is fighting basic facts of life like a tree can crush your car, you can get cancer, you will die
that's the "life is not fair" you referred to. that no liberal fights
liberals *are* fighting a plutocrat paying people less just so he can get another gold toilet, a political class fearmongering and declaring war simply to profit from the effort, a racist cop shooting a black guy in the back, or a backwards culture chopping off little girl's clitorises
that's unfairness *between people*, not between mankind and mother nature
no liberal refuses to accept that life is unfair
every liberal refuses to accept that the social structure or certain douchebags should get away with treating other people unfairly
the most insidious thing to me is no mobile phone i can get my hands on allows for regular FM radio (here in the USA)
you can hack it and install something that will work with the software tuner but that's not the point: 99% of consumers aren't going to bother with that and so something that is free and well-established is out of the hands of consumers as everyone has a phone, not a radio, now
i don't even know how that should be legal, considering how radio is important for emergency information in disasters
i also don't know why the radio industry doesn't sit on some congresscirtters and get them make radio compulsory on smartphones
seriously there are some complete fucktards out there
he probably isn't that unintelligent on most things. but how he got this quasireligious nonsense set of ignorant beliefs on the topic of economics and society is beyond my comprehension
actual true original libertarianism is about social concepts: no rules about drugs, no rules about who to marry, no rules about what to wear, etc.
libertarianism, the american contrived mutation, only cares about economic concepts: corporations and the rich not playing fairly and not obeying market regulations and not paying their fair share of taxes. a rather shallow front for plutocrat agendas only believed by gullible morons
you have to look at the concepts. words mean nothing, their meaning constantly shifts, is complex to begin with and self-contradictory in some ways, and is also purposefully misused in the wrong context to fool idiots
example: classical feminism versus the use of the word by tumblr trolls (and believed by idiots to actually stand for feminism)
another example: the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
the words don't mean shit. what does the person actually mean
thathas nothing to do with individual instance of unfair treatment from one person to another. when the unfairness comes form mendacious, selfish, assholes, people tend to fight back. is that wrong? is that a strange concept to you? we're supposed to be good little slaves and accept bad treatment from a certain class of people? why is that, moron?
the rule of the jungle is not the rule of man
if you want to live by the rules of the wilderness, you are welcome to move there. otherwise, try to be intellectually honest and admit that civilization has rules, human morality, and fairness in human society is a bedrock principle that makes society work. where society is grossly unfair is only misery, unhappiness, and poverty
nobody, not a single fucking soul, accepts unfair treatment "just because." and for you to think that it is actually a valid position to state only achieves the identification of yourself as a fucking retard you are on this topic
people act politely in public, but they're the same thinkers
most people are just ignorants
unfortunately, this doesn't stop them from speaking on topics they know nothing about except what some propaganda machine or demagogue tells them to think
here's the simple concept: economic systems are not a binary choice, capitalism or communism. they are a range of thousands of options
this is objectively true
so to have an "opinion" that disagrees with this basic fact makes someone, indeed, a stupid person. to describe them as stupid is not a baseless insult, it is categorically factual (clarification: stupid on this topic, they be smart in chess or cooking or whatever, but in economics, they are a bona fida complete moron, to have an "opinion" in disregard of basic reality)
everyone is entitled to their own opinions. but no one is entitled to their own special facts in a reality distortion zone. so if you have an "opinion" in open disregard for simple facts, you deserve ridicule, disrespect, and dismissal. you do not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone
you are not entitled to have your hand nicely held even as you spout complete ignorance. if you spout complete ignorance, you will be called ignorant and not taken seriously, and the label will be accurate and the dismissal of your words will be appropriate
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if the punishment is worse than the crime than society itself is the source of crime
sadism is not justice
in general, we take cues from our culture and our society about how to treat each other. brutality is answered with brutality. a society with brutal punishments is a miserable place where people treat each other excessively harshly for stupid shit: that becomes the norm. should it be?
the idea of justice is not punitive revenge. that creates a violent feedback loop. you want to dampen that feedback, not amplify it
this applies to everything: bad behavior in the office, getting pulled over for a traffic infraction, how to deal with mscreants in the school system
a society that has punishments that are too harsh simply reaps more brutal crimes
yes there are "tough on crime" assholes everywhere. such douchebags must never prevail and set policy. they only create that which they dislike. they are the source of crime themselves by teaching everyone you should be excessive and ridiculously forceful in your response to sleights. brutal cruel shitbags cannot set the tone. they should be ignored, or caught in their excessive cruelty and punished themselves
yes, absolutely
because if the punishment is worse than the crime than society itself is the source of crime
in general, we take cues from our culture and our society about how to treat each other. brutality is answered with brutality. a society with brutal punishments is a miserable place where people treat each other excessively harshly for stupid shit: that becomes the norm. should it be?
the idea of justice is not punitive revenge. that creates a violent feedback loop. you want to dampen that feedback, not amplify it
this applies to everything: bad behavior in the office, getting pulled over for a traffic infraction, how to deal with mscreants in the school system
a society that has punishments that are too harsh simply reaps more brutal crimes
yes there are "tough on crime" assholes everywhere. such douchebags must never prevail and set policy. they only create that which they dislike. they are the source of crime themselves by teaching everyone you should be excessive and ridiculously forceful in your response to sleights. they are brutal cruel shitbags and they set the tone. they should be ignored, or caught in their excessive cruelty and punished themselves. sadism is not justice
ignoring works for certain topics: copycat suicides, or mass killers. people who actively seek fame or people who are swayed by the news
but the topic here is extortion. it's not impressive, it's not something people will copy, and it actually helps the extortionist to keep it quiet: isolate the victim
it's just notification of a crime occurring
if justice is more brutal than the crime, then it is not justice
all punishments for all crimes must be less sever than the crime in question
or society itself generates brutality and crime
chopping off hands for theft in sharia law, caning for vandalism in singapore, or locking a guy up for years for smoking pot in the USA: none are not justice
and you, and people who think like you, asking for death for petty extortion, you are worse criminals than the crime you hate
this entire thread sounds like a repost from 1998. not much has changed on this topic in 15-20 years
personally, i think google *may* find some way to kill off windows in 5-10 years
i'm not talking about chromebooks, i'm talking about how android has destroyed windows in the phone market. google is leveraging and will continue to leverage phone dependence to make desktops and tablets something you want the same interaction with, content sharing with, seamless switching, etc.
i'm not saying exactly what that compelling need is, but obviously microsoft can't leverage the desktop to compel people to put windows on their phone. so google *might* be able to do the opposite with some must-have need or want
ps: i'm purposefully ignoring apple. i never owned an apple product in my life. too pricey. we're talking about the masses here, not the middle class of rich countries and the upper middle class of everywhere else. apple is just a luxury brand walled garden, an outlier
i am angry at someone changing the subject, yes
explain how that is projection
you do know that psychological projection is a specific kind of behavior, not just an empty bad word like "poopyhead" to call someone, right?
so you have something to add to the actual topic?
or do you imagine yourself as some sort of authority on a side issue nobody socially competent cares about
perhaps a desperate cry to make up for a lack of real authority in your real life?
it's a well-known issue
https://www.ifixit.com/Answers...
amazon said they'd give me $15 off the purchase of a new one because it doesn't charge any more. instead i purchased the $5 repair USB port:
http://www.amazon.com/Charging...
looked through some videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
and tried it out
in the first 15 minutes, i succesfully broke a tiny plasticzif connector:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
great, nothing to see here, move along, cross your fingers it will stay with some rubber cement
then i made a hilariously inept attempt to solder tiny connections of the new USB port with a fat soldering iron and some eye glass repair magnifying glass
but lo and behold it worked. it charged! ...for half an hour. now it's dead as a door knob
here's the real issue:
i don't have the time to do this shit, and the cost of modern electronics makes the cost of new electronics compared to the time investment to attempt a repair means repair is not an option
go to repair places and the cost of a repair is also prohibitively expensive as compared to the cost of a new item
therefore: welcome to our throwaway culture
i tried. i really did
i just don't have the time or patience anymore, not to join now myself
sorry
exactly. and it shouldn't be that way. radio costs absolutely nothing to enable on a smartphone. so why isn't it?
yes, if you believe markets regulate themselves, you're not deluded. you're a moron
well, actually they do regulate themselves: the oligarchs get together and agree on how much to rape smaller players and consumers
that's the reality of (economic *) libertarian ideas, whether or not the retards understand that it is
* social ilbertarianism is completely valid, and the original meaning of libertarianism (no rules on drugs, on who to marry, on what to wear, on what to say or publish, etc.)... before plutocrats began using a kind of propaganda for useful fools that became known as "libertarianism" in the usa
yes, asshole, you did. you completely misrepresented liberalism
of course life is unfair. nobody is fighting that. there is no "stubborn refusal" to accept a basic fucking fact of life
liberalism is to about basic fairness *between people*
especially in regards to a social, religious, cultural, economic, or political structures
no liberal is fighting basic facts of life like a tree can crush your car, you can get cancer, you will die
that's the "life is not fair" you referred to. that no liberal fights
liberals *are* fighting a plutocrat paying people less just so he can get another gold toilet, a political class fearmongering and declaring war simply to profit from the effort, a racist cop shooting a black guy in the back, or a backwards culture chopping off little girl's clitorises
that's unfairness *between people*, not between mankind and mother nature
no liberal refuses to accept that life is unfair
every liberal refuses to accept that the social structure or certain douchebags should get away with treating other people unfairly
get it right, try again
yes, i read and understood your comment, thank you
is what i was responding to
try again
they can buy a stand alone gps unit too. ask tomtom and garmin how they're doing
the smartphone is obviously devouring all these stand alone units
well, obvious to anyone who understand a topic before opening their mouth
yup, well said
the most insidious thing to me is no mobile phone i can get my hands on allows for regular FM radio (here in the USA)
you can hack it and install something that will work with the software tuner but that's not the point: 99% of consumers aren't going to bother with that and so something that is free and well-established is out of the hands of consumers as everyone has a phone, not a radio, now
i don't even know how that should be legal, considering how radio is important for emergency information in disasters
i also don't know why the radio industry doesn't sit on some congresscirtters and get them make radio compulsory on smartphones
such as free market fundamentalism? the free market fairy solves all problems by magic in the utopian land of no regulation?
the ad wars have
that was a great read, thank you
and he is failing miserably
seriously there are some complete fucktards out there
he probably isn't that unintelligent on most things. but how he got this quasireligious nonsense set of ignorant beliefs on the topic of economics and society is beyond my comprehension
the amish are fundamentalist christians, but they are strictly nonviolent
we have to talk about *violent* religious fundamentalists
which also exists in buddhism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
and of course there are many violent jewish, christian, and muslim fundamentalists, which is the source of many of the problems in the world
actual true original libertarianism is about social concepts: no rules about drugs, no rules about who to marry, no rules about what to wear, etc.
libertarianism, the american contrived mutation, only cares about economic concepts: corporations and the rich not playing fairly and not obeying market regulations and not paying their fair share of taxes. a rather shallow front for plutocrat agendas only believed by gullible morons
you have to look at the concepts. words mean nothing, their meaning constantly shifts, is complex to begin with and self-contradictory in some ways, and is also purposefully misused in the wrong context to fool idiots
example: classical feminism versus the use of the word by tumblr trolls (and believed by idiots to actually stand for feminism)
another example: the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
the words don't mean shit. what does the person actually mean
of course life isn't fair
thathas nothing to do with individual instance of unfair treatment from one person to another. when the unfairness comes form mendacious, selfish, assholes, people tend to fight back. is that wrong? is that a strange concept to you? we're supposed to be good little slaves and accept bad treatment from a certain class of people? why is that, moron?
the rule of the jungle is not the rule of man
if you want to live by the rules of the wilderness, you are welcome to move there. otherwise, try to be intellectually honest and admit that civilization has rules, human morality, and fairness in human society is a bedrock principle that makes society work. where society is grossly unfair is only misery, unhappiness, and poverty
nobody, not a single fucking soul, accepts unfair treatment "just because." and for you to think that it is actually a valid position to state only achieves the identification of yourself as a fucking retard you are on this topic
people act politely in public, but they're the same thinkers
most people are just ignorants
unfortunately, this doesn't stop them from speaking on topics they know nothing about except what some propaganda machine or demagogue tells them to think
oh yeah, the nordic propaganda machine, devouring the world
you're a fucking retard
this is 100% true, good point
here's the simple concept: economic systems are not a binary choice, capitalism or communism. they are a range of thousands of options
this is objectively true
so to have an "opinion" that disagrees with this basic fact makes someone, indeed, a stupid person. to describe them as stupid is not a baseless insult, it is categorically factual (clarification: stupid on this topic, they be smart in chess or cooking or whatever, but in economics, they are a bona fida complete moron, to have an "opinion" in disregard of basic reality)
everyone is entitled to their own opinions. but no one is entitled to their own special facts in a reality distortion zone. so if you have an "opinion" in open disregard for simple facts, you deserve ridicule, disrespect, and dismissal. you do not deserve to be taken seriously by anyone
you are not entitled to have your hand nicely held even as you spout complete ignorance. if you spout complete ignorance, you will be called ignorant and not taken seriously, and the label will be accurate and the dismissal of your words will be appropriate