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YouTube Reportedly Bypassing Ad Blockers On Google Chrome

An anonymous reader writes: YouTube users have lit up twitter today, angry about an apparent change of policy by Google, which now seems to be showing ads in front of videos on YouTube even when using Adblock. Neowin reports: "Google's workaround seems to be applicable to all similar extensions and isn't exclusive to just AdBlock Plus. The company has not stopped at just skirting the extension, however. Users with AdBlock enabled will now have to see full-length video ads with no option to skip them half-way through, a feature YouTube has offered for a very long time. The only way to get the option back is to disable AdBlock, or to whitelist YouTube."

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  1. Back to Firefox by Calydor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, that's how you kill your own browser off, Google.

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    1. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was obvious to me, from the beginning, that the purpose of Chrome is to bypass adblocker technology. It was not a coincidence that Chrome was announced not long after adblocking on Firefox really began to block out nearly everything.

    2. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Chrome was the herpes of browsers anyways. Good riddance.

      Firefox is getting shady also, and loves injecting ads into my tabs until I unchecked "show suggested sites" under new tab controls.

    3. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The extensions will catch up -- this is how the game is played. Chrome is still the best browser, except possibly for memory usage.

    4. Re:Back to Firefox by E-Rock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We see Google in so many places that most people don't know that (financially) they're an ad company. All of the other businesses feed back into their money making line of business.

    5. Re:Back to Firefox by aaron4801 · · Score: 1

      Firefox has some shitty default settings, but at least you can change them.

    6. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chrome was the herpes of browsers anyways.

      Heh. I still wouldn't use Chrome, even if it could cure my herpes.

    7. Re:Back to Firefox by mindmaster064 · · Score: 2

      Actually, if they are circumventing anything they're hacking your machine are arguable breaking the law. Installing an ad blocker certainly makes it clear what the machine owners intent is. :) I hope they get sued to hell and back.

    8. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox is a much better and nicer browser anyway.

    9. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chrome's extension capability is not as powerful as with Firefox. That is why the NoScript guys never developed their plugin for Chrome. In Firefox, you can pretty much completely change the browser into something else entirely with a plugin. Chrome, in comparison, is quite limited.

    10. Re:Back to Firefox by jargonburn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doubtful. Pretty sure Google updating their product and changing functionality (the ability to block ads isn't an advertised feature :P) doesn't violate any laws. Not only that, but:

      A) You aren't forced to use their browser, at least, not by Google
      B) You presumably agreed to Google's terms and conditions / EULA when you installed/used Chrome
      C) The product is provided free of charge and you didn't pay Google a single cent for it.

    11. Re:Back to Firefox by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I'm not going to let a giant multinational company dictate how I use my browser.

      I'm going back to Safari.

    12. Re:Back to Firefox by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No.

      Part of the install process for Chrome is you agree that Google gets everything and you get nothing.

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    13. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy Firefox while it lasts. Firefox is moving to the Chrome extension model in less than a year, killing off AdBlock Plus and NoScript and the like. Pretty soon you'll have the same YouTube experience in both Firefox and Chrome because they'll be using the same extension system.

    14. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mozilla is moving to Chrome's extension ecosystem by EOY.

    15. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uMatrix seems a capable replacement, at least once you've figured it out.

    16. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they're not. They're moving to mostly the same _API_, which they will modify/extend to accomodate extensions they already have, rather than join in the full ecosystem provided by Google.

      Quite a difference.

    17. Re: Back to Firefox by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Enjoy Firefox while it lasts. Firefox is moving to the Chrome extension model in less than a year, killing off AdBlock Plus and NoScript and the like.

      Then you just use Pale Moon -- which has a fork of Adblock Plus called Adblock Latitude available for it.

    18. Re:Back to Firefox by Megane · · Score: 1

      Seamonkey is pretty good, like FF back in the 3.x days, but it was suffering for a months-delayed release (partly due to a bunch of FF security crap hitting in a short time) that finally dropped this week. And they're still a few Gecko versions behind FF. It's good to have auto-fill passwords working again.

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    19. Re:Back to Firefox by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Seamonkey is pretty good, like FF back in the 3.x days, but it was suffering for a months-delayed release (partly due to a bunch of FF security crap hitting in a short time) that finally dropped this week. And they're still a few Gecko versions behind FF. It's good to have auto-fill passwords working again.

      Seamonkey is OK, but development is a little sketchy. I switched to Palemoon almost a year ago and Mozilla can go fuck themselves. It's not just a rebranded Firefox, it's a fork that retains most of what made Firefox popular in the first place.

    20. Re: Back to Firefox by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Firefox is removing that capability like sheep to the Chrome teet.

    21. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kill their browser? This is it's sole reason for existence. It was obvious from Day One, I don't understand why people act shocked about it.

    22. Re:Back to Firefox by fnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fix the fucked up legal interpretation that allows that kind of a so-called "agreement" to be considered enforceable. It is blatantly unbalanced and as such should be null and void under contract law. It is also not reasonable to expect the unempowered party to laboriously read and digest all the terms.

      Everyone who was ever given an employee agreement to sign which contained a provision that you give up your clear rights to work in competition, even when fired or laid off involuntarily: you did mark it with an initialed note taking exception to that particular part, right? And you informed the employer that you were doing so, and were hired anyway.

    23. Re:Back to Firefox by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      Bullshit.

      You were so overjoyed and relieved to get a job that you just signed every goddam thing in the hire package and couldn't pass an exam regarding the contents at 2:30 pm local time, that same day.

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    24. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bypass in what way? This way? On one website? For a specific type of ad?

      Or are there other instances which only you have noticed?

      Or are you bragging about how you've always been a conspiracy theorist even when there was no evidence, now that there is a single data point seemingly, for less than 24 hours, in your favour?

      Decreased page load times. Technology which allows the amount of data transferred to be decreased. Encouragement to use Google services. Enhanced user experience by making use of integrated Google services. A near-monopoly allowing Google to push whatever technology best fits its planned services. An enhanced security model which makes "the web" a safer place to be, so that people are not scared away from interacting with Google services. Increased performance allowing "the web" to be a viable target platform, encouraging developers to skip. An integrated "app store" from which Google takes a cut. Somehow managing to *still* be smaller and faster than Firefox, despite its ever-increasing bloat... but "the purpose" of Chrome is clearly, to you, to bypass adblocker technology. And always has been, "from the beginning".

    25. Re: Back to Firefox by reve_etrange · · Score: 2

      Not according to the developer of NoScript. In fact, he says they are involving him to make sure extensions which alter native behavior remain possible.

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    26. Re: Back to Firefox by reve_etrange · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is false. The developer of NoScript says that they are working with him to make sure extensions may still alter native behavior.

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    27. Re:Back to Firefox by reve_etrange · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. Giorgio Maone, the developer of NoScript, says everything is OK.

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    28. Re:Back to Firefox by TWX · · Score: 1

      It's probably also no coincidence that Firefox has swiftly headed in the direction of Chrome lately too. The rapid release cycle, the Chrome-like functions becoming standard features in Firefox, and the most recent developments toward Chrome plugins becoming usable on Firefox are all taking things in the direction of making Firefox itself less relevant.

      I actually never stopped using Firefox as my primary browser. I didn't feel a need to migrate to Chrome, and even my Android phone is old enough that it runs the pre-Chrome browser. Maybe I'm cynical, but I don't trust corporations very far, especially when they want to control things that don't need to be in their control to work.

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    29. Re: Back to Firefox by JMJimmy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not according to the developer of NoScript. In fact, he says they are involving him to make sure extensions which alter native behavior remain possible.

      Yes, they are working with some of the bigger developers but they are removing the core functionality that made FF powerful. New addons won't be able to "work with mozilla" only those who already have influence get that treatment.

    30. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lynx or links, baby. Flat text and no javascript. If I have to, I'll use netcat.

      Or maybe butterflies. Or if all else failes, Emacs.

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    31. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who didn't see this coming?

    32. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if they are circumventing anything they're hacking your machine are arguable breaking the law. Installing an ad blocker certainly makes it clear what the machine owners intent is. :) I hope they get sued to hell and back.

      You're a fucking idiot. Full stop. Period.

    33. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes perfect sense, considering they suck as a technology company.

    34. Re: Back to Firefox by CaTfiSh · · Score: 1

      If I may suggest, please take a look into uMatrix as a superior option.

    35. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relying on the browser's extension interface is a sure fire way to give ownership of your extension to the browser. If you want control, manage the browser at the same layer it interfaces with the operating environment. If you want more control, keep moving down the architecture. Of course, you have to cede control at some point.

    36. Re: Back to Firefox by narcc · · Score: 1

      Only in your imagination. The plugin system changed constantly because of how it was implemented. They're finally stabilizing that API making it easier for plugin authors.

      They're not "removing the core functionality" at all -- they're enhancing it.

      Only in your paranoid fantasy does improving plugin support someone mean they're going make that feature less useful and refuse any and all feedback from plugin authors.

    37. Re: Back to Firefox by narcc · · Score: 2

      That's not even a little bit true.

    38. Re:Back to Firefox by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      We see Google in so many places that most people don't know that (financially) they're an ad company. All of the other businesses feed back into their money making line of business.

      Exactly. And this goes beyond Youtube. It even includes search. Many people think of Google as a "search engine" whose goal is to deliver the best results. It isn't. Perhaps it was 15 years ago when they were still fighting for dominance, but now having good, efficient search is only a secondary concern -- they mostly are an ad-delivery system.

      Which is the probably one of the reasons why Google search has gradually gotten significantly worse over the past 5-8 years. (At least in returning precise search results... obviously in other ways Google has expanded the types of things you can search for, etc., which again increases the amount of ads they can send you.) It is NOT in their best interest to allow you to perform precision searches that take you immediately to the best match for what you want. It IS in their best interest to get you to spend as much time as possible on their site to view more ads. Obviously, they can't go too far or else people will rebel or switch to another search engine. But if they keep making things incrementally worse while raising their stats on adviews, it's a win-win for them.

    39. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll mod however I want. Like so.

    40. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are so damn acres of the web, stay off the internet. You hippies and aversion to javascript is about as tin-foil hat as you can get. Grow up for code sakes

    41. Re:Back to Firefox by Cederic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What, 'about:config' and set 'javascript.enabled' to 'false' is too difficult?

    42. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a video is not downloadable via such as xvideoservicethief, it isn't even worth my time.

    43. Re:Back to Firefox by Billly+Gates · · Score: 0

      I can't use Firefox anymore.

      It is a shitty browser and worse on the market. Even IE is better today and safer. Firefox lacks 2008 technology like sandboxing, threads, and low-rights mode in Windows which IE 8+ and Chrome which make them better browsers. It also explains why one bad thread can take out the whole browser.

      Firefox is like a timewarp from 2005. Sure it beat IE 6 YES!!! But come on times have changed and I care about security. Per process tabs make it scale on multicore systems and provide security.

      Yes even modern IE 11 does not require hacks and runs on less memory and is more secure. I never ever thought I would type this as a professional IE hater last decade who during a fresh install removes IE from the taskbar and uses ftp in cmd.exe to put on Firefox as to not contaminate my cpu :-)

      I suppose there is Opera which is based off blink and Chromium without the spyware next?? With Windows 10 update 1 coming out next month Edge will have a Chrome API for add-ons and if Ublock is supported I may switch to that browser.

    44. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit it's false. We know who Firefox pays attention to, and it's not end users. Firefox is going to be paid to ignore what users want and to cripple anything that might block ads, such as NoScript and AdBlock. Why do you think they added bullshit that no one wanted like Pocket despite user complaints? They'll do something that allows NoScript to "run" but in such a way that prevents it from interfering with advertisers' JavaScript, just wait and see.

    45. Re:Back to Firefox by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      "C) The product is provided free of charge and you didn't pay Google a single cent for it." ...directly.

    46. Re:Back to Firefox by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      If Chrome is doing it now Chrome-wannabe-fox will be doing it soon enough.

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    47. Re:Back to Firefox by antdude · · Score: 1

      For me, I am going back to Lynx!

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    48. Re:Back to Firefox by trawg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What, 'about:config' and set 'javascript.enabled' to 'false' is too difficult?

      Possibly the bit where most of the websites in the world stop working

    49. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your ads and get the fuck off of my internet, little boy.

    50. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's how you kill your own browser off, Google.

      Yep. I was never a fool who used Chrome because 1) Fisher Price settings sucks 2) Firefox is better and does it all.

    51. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EULAs cannot supersede your rights.

    52. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then wouldn't most non-subscription-based content providers and content aggregators be (financially) ad companies? Radio stations, tv stations, most internet sites, etc. If not, if they're content companies that use ad companies, then google's the same, they're just both the content company and the ad company (and an aggregator and an ISP and etc).

      They wouldn't have the same revenue selling just ads without providing search, access, content etc.

    53. Re:Back to Firefox by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Chrome's limited number of tabs by itself is enough to keep me on Firefox as primary browser.

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    54. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, and maybe you should be paying directly, or indirectly in this case. Talk about entitlement.

    55. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing some of us saw this in advance so there still is Firefox to go back to. Tried chrome, was a bit snappier than firefox, thought about a world where one company own the content, the way to search for it, and the tool used to view it. Decided that's not how I would like the world to be, and kept using Firefox. Not surprised to see this.

    56. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #9623 does not care for such matters. PunchcardScript '71 is powering his browser :)

    57. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, you mean somebody's actually USING their shitty browser? Hahahahahhaha

    58. Re:Back to Firefox by Cederic · · Score: 1

      More accurately, the person to whom I was replying doesn't care about functional websites. I merely informed him how to achieve his goals.

    59. Re:Back to Firefox by tgv · · Score: 1

      I've always thought that Chrome's purpose was to create customer lock-in. I'm still waiting for some move that makes Google Docs or gmail work much better or have extra functionality when running in Chrome.

      But since ads is Google's main business, it makes sense that they want you to see them: they own YouTube, they own Chrome...

    60. Re:Back to Firefox by jandersen · · Score: 1

      C) The product is provided free of charge and you didn't pay Google a single cent for it.

      No, what you mean is, money was not exchanged directly between the user of Chrome and Google. You still pay through your nose, through advertising, collection of personal data etc etc etc. Saying that we don't pay for this kind of thing is simply disingenious - at the end of the day, advertising is paid for by the customers, since the companies pass on the expense to the customer, so we have to pay for crap that does not benefit us, and which in most cases does not even benefit the companies that use the adverts, since most people learn to become numb to adverts. The way I see it, advertisers on the web are simply parasites.

    61. Re: Back to Firefox by narcc · · Score: 1

      That's very obviously not true. Had you read the article instead of just the uninformed comments, you'd know that.

    62. Re:Back to Firefox by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      You forget that early versions of Chrome didn't support ad-blocking. There was a bug report asking for necessary features to be added to the extension API (the ability to filter URLs and the DOM before network requests were made) and Google obliged. They actually did extra work to support ad-blocking.

      If you read some comments below you can see that this was just an unintentional thing, only affecting the YouTube app.

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    63. Re:Back to Firefox by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, with the impending killing off of XUL/XPCOM, SeaMonkey is a gonner.

    64. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a good thing. Any HTML page that only works as a "web app client" with Javascript is defective by design. Thankfully, Slashdot isn't defective by design and degrades without Javascript well. Of course, if you find you cannot live without your favorite websites that are defective by design, you can use solutions like Noscript on Firefox to maintain a whitelist of domains that are allowed to run Javascript.

    65. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You pay for free stuff indirectly by paying with money that you didn't receive?

    66. Re:Back to Firefox by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      Pbbbt. Lynx. That's for pikers. Transfer the direct HTML feed to disk and examine with vi. It is the only way to really appreciate what is going on with a website.

    67. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Limited number of tabs?

      I use Chrome and Chromium on both Linux and Windows and my highest count at tabs was 82.

      There are even extensions to help you self limit your tab usage on Chrome.

      In a quick test:
      Ok addmitedly a single chrome window appears to have a limit around 60, but that looked more like a limit of space on the tab line than inherently in the system.
      Across several windows I got to over 150ish before I got bored.

      How many tabs do you use that you feel there is a problem with the limit (if any) that is allowed.

    68. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe a few user complaints is going to change Mozilla's decisions, especially when the majority of people complaining do not hire Mozilla to write Firefox? It doesn't matter what Mozilla do, I guarantee that there will always be somebody bitching about it.
      https://xkcd.com/1172/

    69. Re: Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your Internet? Cute.

    70. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doubtful. Pretty sure Google updating their product and changing functionality (the ability to block ads isn't an advertised feature :P) doesn't violate any laws. Not only that, but:

      A) You aren't forced to use their browser, at least, not by Google
      B) You presumably agreed to Google's terms and conditions / EULA when you installed/used Chrome
      C) The product is provided free of charge and you didn't pay Google a single cent for it.

      Well, this sort of thing cuts both ways, doesn't it?

      a) google (and others) are not forced to answer requests I send through my browser. Entirely optional.
      b) google etc. presumably agree to my terms when they respond to my HTTP GET. (My conditions & EULA are in the browser string.)
      c) my time at the screen is provided for free - google and friends is not paying me for my time or for the privilege of using my processor to render stuff.

      If they mess with my ad blocker, they're tampering with both "a security system" and "a content control system", aka "my DRM". I seem to recall some laws making such "tampering" illegal - even if they don't actually abuse this tampering for "content piracy".

      Making a website that fails due to ad blocking is legal. A website trying to circumvent an ad blocker (even a lousy one) is illegal.

      Well, actually, my country doesn't have such laws. But at least the Americans out there should be able to leverage anti-tampering laws and anti-hacking laws against anyone who disrupts an ad-blocker. There is no doubt that an ad blocker is a DRM device (it regulates user access to 'content', specifically ads) and it is also a security system (some ads contain viruses, blocking them is a security measure on the same level as an antivirus suite.)

    71. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether or not Chrome's EULA is enforceable isreally besides the point in this case. If you don't like what Google is doing, don't use Google's browser. What is so freakin' hard about that concept for people to understand?!

    72. Re:Back to Firefox by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I typically have several hundred tabs and Chrome is unusable

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    73. Re:Back to Firefox by antdude · · Score: 1

      That's hardcore, but not enough. How about viewing its binary codes? ;)

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    74. Re:Back to Firefox by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It is blatantly unbalanced and as such should be null and void under contract law.

      Is it? You're acting as if you're not getting something in return. /Posted from Google Chrome on a Google Android OS for which I paid $0.

    75. Re: Back to Firefox by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      The extensions will catch up -- this is how the game is played.

      The game is only played because youtube allows it to be played. It would be relatively simple for youtube to design something where you can't tell the difference between an ad and the content. I'm actually surprised that you currently are able to. My guess is the reason it's currently separate is because if it was part of the video stream then it would be easier to fast forward thru the ads but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of ways for youtube to design a player that makes ad blocking virtually impossible. Same with other websites, ad blocking is a game that if the content providers got serious then the ad blockers would have an impossible game of catch up. It's different than spam blocking. Spam blocking you have to analyze the message and there will always be an arms race unless you do some sort of server whitelisting. With ad blocking, the content provider could easily make the ad indistinguishable from the content or even interwoven. If youtube for instance made the ad rendered into the video then in order to block it, your "ad blocker" would have to actually re-render the video on the fly. Yes, this is possible, some football games insert ads in predefined spots on the fly, but it's not something that a free ad blocker is going to implement anytime soon.

    76. Re:Back to Firefox by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Possibly the bit where most of the websites in the world stop working

      Maybe, but that's not really the web browser's fault. I mean, if you want the ability to disable Javascript, it seems a bit reasonable that javascript-reliant web sites wouldn't work right.

      If 99% or more of web browsers have javascript support, it also seems pretty reasonable that web sites would use it.

    77. Re:Back to Firefox by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      B) is entirely incorrect. There's no implicit EULA; when you install Chrome, their EULA is quite explicitly agreed to. The analogy falls flat.

    78. Re:Back to Firefox by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      EULAs cannot supersede your rights.

      You don't have a "right" to use Chrome.

    79. Re: Back to Firefox by sexconker · · Score: 0

      It's very obviously true.

      http://news.slashdot.org/story...
      https://blog.mozilla.org/addon...

      We have decided on an approximate timeline for the deprecation of XPCOM- and XUL-based add-ons.

      Consequently, we have decided to deprecate add-ons that depend on XUL, XPCOM, and XBL. We don’t have a specific timeline for deprecation, but most likely it will take place within 12 to 18 months from now. We are announcing the change now so that developers can prepare and offer feedback. Add-ons that are built using the new WebExtension API will continue to work. We will also continue supporting SDK add-ons as long as they don’t use require(‘chrome’) or some of the low-level APIs that provide access to XUL elements.

      A major challenge we face is that many Firefox add-ons cannot possibly be built using either WebExtensions or the SDK as they currently exist. Over the coming year, we will seek feedback from the development community, and will continue to develop and extend the WebExtension API to support as much of the functionality needed by the most popular Firefox extensions as possible.

      A major challenge we face is that many Firefox add-ons cannot possibly be built using either WebExtensions or the SDK as they currently exist. Over the coming year, we will seek feedback from the development community, and will continue to develop and extend the WebExtension API to support as much of the functionality needed by the most popular Firefox extensions as possible.

      Further, it's going to be a walled garden:

      Starting in Firefox 42, add-on developers will be required to submit extensions for review and signing by Mozilla prior to deployment, and unsigned add-ons cannot be installed or used with Firefox.

      You can disable the signing requirement, but only on the Developer or Nightly builds based on version 42.whatever.

      Firefox is FUCKING DEAD and Mozilla killed it.

    80. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that seems more like an issue of

      "why can't i put out this damn house fire with my garden hose?"

      you're right, but your complaint is also irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. i doubt the number of people that consistently go over 100 tabs open co-currently is even as much as 1 in a million users.

    81. Re:Back to Firefox by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      That makes no sense. Both can have any number of tabs.

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    82. Re: Back to Firefox by narcc · · Score: 1

      How does that contradict anything I've said? On the contrary, it seems to contradict you're initial and subsequent assertions.

      At least you're trying. Now go troll somewhere else.

    83. Re:Back to Firefox by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      You need to work to survive. Laws limiting employment like that make sense. No one is forcing you to use Chrome, and there is no need for you to do so with alternatives. What exactly is the legal issue with the agreement?

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    84. Re: Back to Firefox by sexconker · · Score: 0

      The plugin system changed constantly because of how it was implemented.

      It's been pretty much the same for over a decade, actually. The least stable it ever was was during the switch from the sane release schedule to the rapid release schedule, where developers had to constantly update plugins for Firefox to accept them as working for newer versions. End users were able to open and edit the plugins quite easily and do this themselves if the plugins were no longer in development. (Of course, when Mozilla requires signing users will be unable to help themselves in any similar situations in the future.)
      Mozilla finally got it set up so that you didn't need to update a plugin and say it works with Firefox 57 , 58, 59, etc.

      They're finally stabilizing that API making it easier for plugin authors.

      They're not stabilizing anything. They're throwing it out entirely and adopting Chrome's. Then they're going to ask the developers of the popular plugins (noscript and adblock and no one fucking else) to tell them what else they need to do in order to make those specific plugins work. There will be less functionality. Whether anything is easier or not remains to be seen, though it should be easier if a developer is maintaining both a Chrome and a Firefox plugin. Firefox plugins aren't exactly hard to begin with anyway.

      They're not "removing the core functionality" at all -- they're enhancing it.

      A major challenge we face is that many Firefox add-ons cannot possibly be built using either WebExtensions or the SDK as they currently exist.

      Try again.

      Only in your paranoid fantasy does improving plugin support someone mean they're going make that feature less useful and refuse any and all feedback from plugin authors.

      Over the coming year, we will seek feedback from the development community, and will continue to develop and extend the WebExtension API to support as much of the functionality needed by the most popular Firefox extensions as possible.

      As stated by Mozilla, they're going to solicit feedback and listen to the big boys (NoScript, AdBlock). Only the "most popular" count. No one else will have any say.

      On second thought, don't try again. You're useless.

    85. Re:Back to Firefox by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Idiot, this thread is about my needs, not the grand scheme of things. Chrome does not meet my needs.

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    86. Re:Back to Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is your point? You think it is not worth what you pay indirectly or that it shouldn't be compensated directly or indirectly?

    87. Re: Back to Firefox by narcc · · Score: 1

      They're not stabilizing anything.

      Nonsense.

      They're throwing it out entirely and adopting Chrome's.

      Not true. They're starting there, but that's not the end. It's pretty obvious that they intend to extend the API rather dramatically.

      Then they're going to ask the developers of the popular plugins (noscript and adblock and no one fucking else)

      Nonsense. It's pretty obvious that they're reaching out to the broader plugin community, you just can't deny those two specifically.

      to tell them what else they need to do in order to make those specific plugins work.

      No, they're trying to ensure that the new system will have the same power and flexibility as the old system.

      There will be less functionality.

      Nonsense. Nonsense which you believe despite all the evidence to the contrary, and with no supporting evidence. Your position is the "browser wars" version of young-earth creationism.

      Whether anything is easier or not remains to be seen,

      I think you answer this point best:

      it should be easier if a developer is maintaining both a Chrome and a Firefox plugin.

      As stated by Mozilla, they're going to solicit feedback and listen to the big boys (NoScript, AdBlock). Only the "most popular" count. No one else will have any say.

      Umm... That's not what was stated explicitly nor what was implied by that quote. Your interpretation is nothing more than paranoia.

      I prefer to deal with facts, not paranoid delusions.

    88. Re:Back to Firefox by MPAndonee · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I wish I had mod points today.

      Biggest issue is that the corporations are in it for the money.

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  2. In that case ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... use YouTube with ad blockers on Firefox. It feels good solving the world's problems.

  3. Or don't use Chrome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just switch to another browser.

    1. Re:Or don't use Chrome. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sadly I find Chrome to run much faster than FF and Chrome doesn't keep adding useless buttons and features every week. I'm still waiting for FF to implement multi process and multi thread support.

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    2. Re:Or don't use Chrome. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Better yet, don't use YouTube. This kind of thing is inherent when chokepoints are developed. You don't know which robber band is going to set up in the pass, but you know some robber band will. Centralization of control is a great evil, and should not only be avoided when possible, but should be actively circumvented when not possible. And if that means not using a site or an OS, that's what it means. There are just too many sociopaths out there who don't care how much damage they do as long as they get their rake-off. (Sometimes power, sometimes money, sometimes submission, usually all of the preceding.)

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  4. The only way to get the option back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is to switch to Firefox.

  5. I haven't seen this yet, but... by linforcer · · Score: 0

    Like for many other commenters, this would be enough for me to make a browser switch.

  6. Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more. Expect similar (and more invasive) behavior if you buy Google's new wifi router. People seem to conveniently forget that Google is the world's biggest advertising company. Their sole reason to exist is to fuck you coming and going, by showing you ads on the front end, then compiling every bit of data they can about you on the back end and selling it around. Google is the pimp and you are the whore.

    I for one will not use a browser made by an advertising company.

  7. begun by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    the ad wars have

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    1. Re:begun by vandelais · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will!

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    2. Re:begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      definately this. last week the website of my local 'newspaper' (southern daily echo uk) i went to in my ipad. after loading, i got an immediate redirect, then it redirected to the app store asking me to install the Ladbrooks app (Ladbrooks is a UK betting shop).

      that is just so fucking wrong. not gone back since, hardly lost anything anyway.

      if youtube goes down this route for all its material, I just wont watch youtube. I can live without fail vids - pretty much seen it all. males acting like jerks showing off. ok. got it. Dr Matt from Vet Ranch amputates another limb of an animal. Yep, seen it. Jim Sterling gets more reactionary and biased week by week, could live without it. Even my holy grail the one thing I looked forward to every week, Let's Drown Out has morphed into a lets play with almost fuck all of the interesting stuff going on any more. At the moment I wouldn't miss it (praying it will return to greatness). Film Cow looks like it has given up and cant even be bothered with a cultural report anymore. I hate lady ada's voice (sorry) and colin creeps me the fuck out. sparkfun has gone all 'wacky'. the real surprises to brighten my month - Cartoon David and The Grickle Channel post so intermittantly I may as just well wait for 6 months before going to back look around.

      Nope, won't really miss it if they want to go down that route. there is still Radio 4 and podcasts. why can't they do adverts like in This American Life or 99% Invisible? I mean they are ads and pretty long but in tune with the show, no sudden jump to razzmataz and people sounding insanely happy and bobby music.

    3. Re:begun by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      yup, well said

      the most insidious thing to me is no mobile phone i can get my hands on allows for regular FM radio (here in the USA)

      you can hack it and install something that will work with the software tuner but that's not the point: 99% of consumers aren't going to bother with that and so something that is free and well-established is out of the hands of consumers as everyone has a phone, not a radio, now

      i don't even know how that should be legal, considering how radio is important for emergency information in disasters

      i also don't know why the radio industry doesn't sit on some congresscirtters and get them make radio compulsory on smartphones

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    4. Re:begun by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Possibly because people can still buy a fucking radio.

    5. Re:begun by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      they can buy a stand alone gps unit too. ask tomtom and garmin how they're doing

      the smartphone is obviously devouring all these stand alone units

      well, obvious to anyone who understand a topic before opening their mouth

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    6. Re:begun by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      On the net, they began way back with the stupid x10 pop over, pop under, pop all the fuck over your screen ads. No one had even imagined a popup blocker until that nonsense started, let alone an ad blocker.

    7. Re:begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still using an old model BlackBerry, because it has a radio. That's all I want, radio and email.

    8. Re:begun by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      exactly. and it shouldn't be that way. radio costs absolutely nothing to enable on a smartphone. so why isn't it?

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    9. Re:begun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly because people can still buy a fucking radio.

      But, evidently, not common sense or a brain.

  8. LOL by SuperDre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, I don't like the ads myself, but I don't blame youtube for trying to circumvent the adblockers, it's their right to do so..

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Since when does visiting a site give the site-owner any rights at all? Jesus Christ, the sense of entitlement of some people!

    2. Re:LOL by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, I don't like the ads myself, but I don't blame youtube for trying to circumvent the adblockers, it's their right to do so..

      You are absolutely right. Youtube can do what they want. And so can I. One of the great things about Youtube is that I can live without it and Google can go fuck themselves.

    3. Re:LOL by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Since when does visiting a site give the site-owner any rights at all? Jesus Christ, the sense of entitlement of some people!

      My kingdom for some mod points!

    4. Re:LOL by ewibble · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That may be true and as a site they can do what they want. What is wrong is using there position as the producer of Chrome to do it. That is why no company should get to much control.

    5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you feel about Google Chrome browser circumventing adblocker plugins for youtube.com ?

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is Google using their position in the browser market to control the power of their competitors in the advertising market, and it's not at all clear to me that we should (or do) allow such things. Clearly Google's lawyers think they've found a way to stay on the right side of the anti-trust line, but there is a line, and I if this behavior doesn't cross it I think we should move the line so that it does.

      So as it happens I *can* blame Google.

    7. Re:LOL by Reaperducer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Their site, their rules. Don't like it? Go start your own Tube.

      Since when does opening a browser window give a site-visitor any rights to content for free? Jesus Christ, the sense of entitlement of some people!

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    8. Re:LOL by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      What is wrong is using there[sic] position as the producer of Chrome to do it.

      Why?

    9. Re:LOL by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as they're not damaging the browser (app or person), they have as much right to deploy anti-ad blocking (or utterly shitty design) as you do to employ ad blocking. And no, their being successful at it is not damaging to the user. Perhaps you are under the mistaken belief that the site is there to benefit you instead of them.

    10. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is always the choice not to watch. We are in no way entitled to media. People seem to forget this.

      Preach on, brother.

    11. Re: LOL by Celarent+Darii · · Score: 2

      The majority of content on YOUTUBE comes from people uploading their cat videos. Youtube actually doesn't make anything. As soon as they piss off enough users their site disappears. There are plenty of better sites out there, so they better be careful.

    12. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I don't like the ads myself, but I don't blame youtube for trying to circumvent the adblockers, it's their right to do so..

      And it should also be a third party's right to re-host the videos without the advertising cruft ... but unfortunately, copyright law gets in the way.

    13. Re:LOL by Mark4ST · · Score: 1

      Hacking the settings on my computer is illegal.

    14. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody is hacking your settings you dumb shit.

    15. Re:LOL by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Since when does visiting a site give the site-owner any rights at all? Jesus Christ, the sense of entitlement of some people!

      Since you signed away those rights when agreeing to the EULA of that website's browser. Don't like it, get a browser that wasn't designed by an advertising agency. Jesus Christ, the sense of entitlement of some people!

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    16. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Visiting their site gives them no rights. CREATING THE DAMN SITE GIVES THEM RIGHTS. You, as a visitor, can choose not to visit. That's your right. Well, you actually do have to right not to be hacked by the site, so if that's what they are doing then it's wrong, but I guess they are not. They are just creating their site in such a way it works differently depending on what your browser tells the site when it asks for data.

    17. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it does border on bad monopolistic behaviour. If it is, it's actually illegal to do so. It's wrong because we have collectively decided it's wrong, just like every other thing that is wrong or right. Your own judgement might differ, some people may think raping is ok, but the laws represent (well, in ideal world) the morals and judgement of the majority. So if it indeed is bad monopolistic behaviour it's wrong.

    18. Re:LOL by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not how the web works. The site owner can offer to send you some HTML, CSS and other data. Beyond that they have no control over what you do with it. Don't want to display part of what they send you? That's fine, they don't have any right to control your browser.

      If they don't want you to have their content, take it off the public web.

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    19. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any website that sends content in response to HTTP requests without a password or other authorization/authentication/payment system in place is literally giving away content to ANYONE WHO ASKS FOR FREE.

      Once that data is in my computer's memory it's fair game to display, render, mangle, or delete as I see fit. I do NOT give google permission to force my browser to display content I do not want to see (specifically, I don't use Chrome). If google wants to stop giving out videos on youtube to people like me that is certainly THEIR right, but for now they give it up gratis and I'll take all I can get.

    20. Re:LOL by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Since when are they explicitly forced to serve you exactly the way you want?

    21. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Different AC here)

      Both parties have rights. YouTube can send you whatever data they want, you can render it however you want. It's their right to free speech and your right to personal property, and they aren't in conflict with one another.

      The people who seem to be having trouble here are the ones who think YouTube is entitled to have their site rendered a specific way, or that users are entitled to receive a particular quality of data.

    22. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then don't use Chrome.

    23. Re: LOL by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The majority of content on YOUTUBE comes from people uploading their cat videos. Youtube actually doesn't make anything.

      Those people uploading their cat videos should probably pay Youtube then to not inject the ads. Oh, they don't want to pay to host on Youtube? Then they get ads.

      As soon as they piss off enough users their site disappears. There are plenty of better sites out there, so they better be careful.

      I've yet to hear of a better video hosting site than Youtube. I've certainly never seen one. Not that it can't happen, but video hosting isn't cheap. Who pays? Who pays for the servers? Who pays for the bandwidth?

      Lots of people seem to be implying "it should just be free and have no ads." Well.... why? Who pays the bills? Hint: The person paying the bills decides how he gets remunerated.

    24. Re:LOL by ancientt · · Score: 1

      Since when are they explicitly forced to serve you exactly the way you want?

      Since always. Or at least since the invention of the web browser. All they can do is serve me content which I can view or not view any way I want. Or was that meant as humor and I didn't catch the joke?

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    25. Re:LOL by ancientt · · Score: 1

      Visiting their site gives them no rights.

      Well maybe, but the prosecutors of Aaron Swartz disagreed.

      CREATING THE DAMN SITE GIVES THEM RIGHTS.

      Yes, it gives them copyright rights. Some of those rights they immediately forfeit when they post it since doing so gives anyone interested a right to make a copy for personal use. (Arguable in rare circumstances, but generally true.) That's how the web works. I can't see it until my computer retrieves a copy of it, which is it's intended use and thus why they give up the right to prevent making a copy for personal use.

      You, as a visitor, can choose not to visit.

      Or do anything you like with the copy you receive, so long as you don't do anything not for personal use. So sure, rewrite it to suit your preferred reading style, or add your own words, change formatting, add pictures, and this is the important thing, you can take out bits you don't like. Heck, if they don't prevent their server from offering it, just don't download the parts you don't want.

      They are just creating their site in such a way it works differently depending on what your browser tells the site when it asks for data.

      Correct again, and they're doing it in a way they hope will keep you from doing what you like for personal use with the copy you receive. Once it's on someone else's computer, however, it's pretty much impossible to prevent them from doing whatever they want via technical means.

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    26. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is EXACTLY what will happen.

      You block ads, you visit youtube, youtube no longer makes money, then youtube "premium" and "gold" plans are offered.. next thing you know you are at Target buying youtube gift cards for your kids because they don't watch TV anymore and their favorite youtubers are all on the "platinum" plan. Because you are too cool to ever see an ad.

      This is why we can't have nice stuff.

    27. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. This is a WAR, and the arms race will continue forever.

    28. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. The only thing it means is that better ad blockers are now needed, and they will come...hopefully very very soon.

  9. That's only on chrome I believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what they've done here what Internet Explorer and mozilla always wanted. Now everyone will move away from Chrome. You cant fight the users cause you will lose. You have to win somehow by giving them what they want and this is not it. I've always used Internet Explorer so that's not a problem for me. I still don't see ads at all.

    Another stupid idea they might go with is blocking the others from seeing the video all together if we don't disable the adblock. That's what dailymotion and vimeo are hoping for. Then users will eventually move away and youtube will be a thing of the past. watch it go.

  10. Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by watermark · · Score: 5, Informative

    FTFA, this change only affects the YouTube "app" installed in Chrome. Uninstall the app and you're golden.

    1. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which means it's probably not even intentional.

    2. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      But I want to be angry. I want to see blood! Fuck you and your rationality.

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    3. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by wimconradie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I also just read that. Very misleading article and subject. The last paragraph says it only affects YouTube "app", so I feel it is a purposefully abuse of a catchy subject. At the uploader: Please change the subject!

    4. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      This.

      Buzz killers fuck off and let we who live in free worlds have our rants.

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    5. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by rudy_wayne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FTFA, this change only affects the YouTube "app" installed in Chrome. Uninstall the app and you're golden.

      WTF?

      Why do you need a Youtube app?

    6. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well then I shall keep my pitchfork on standby then.

    7. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by houghi · · Score: 1

      If it was not intentional, the issue is even bigger. How do we know that they not put in security leaks with an update? Because if they did not know that this behaviour would happen, it means that they have no idea what they are actually doing.

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    8. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Browser extensions/addons are inherently a security nightmare. At least Google is upfront warning people about it (and default blocking them in incognito)

    9. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by fnj · · Score: 4, Interesting

      WTF?

      Why do you need a Youtube app?

      Somebody answer this. I want to know what the fuck is the point of this shitty "app". Are we talking about android crap, or a proper computer?

    10. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by reve_etrange · · Score: 3, Informative

      Chrome "apps" are essentially just bookmarks, which sometimes interact with a specialized extension. I guess the idea is continuity with ChromeOS or something.

      As to why you'd need it, I have no answer.

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    11. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's not intentional. They moved some of the YouTube code into the app where extensions like AdBlock can't affect it for security reasons. Apps in Chrome are basically caches of web sites, that make then load faster by not having to download all that HTML and CSS.

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    12. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god, THANK YOU

      I have been kinda going crazy.

    13. Re:Only affects "Youtube app" in chrome by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      It makes YouTube load faster by caching much of the HTML, CSS and images locally, and by having some of the Javascript pre-compiled. That's all Chrome apps are, just local caches for web sites that make them open faster.

      The extension API that is used by AdBlock doesn't allow extensions to screw with stuff cached in apps, for security reasons. Recently Google moved some of the advertising code from the YouTube site into the app, where it can't be blocked. So now AdBlock just removes the "skip advert" button, but not the ad delivery Javascript code itself because that bit is in the app.

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  11. You get what you pay for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free isn't free. And the advertising arms race continues. I've often wondered how long it would take sites to either force you to watch content anyway or to disable content. With youtube doing this it's a matter of time before the rest do.

  12. Re:Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

    Google is the pimp and you are the whore.

    I for one will not use a browser made by an advertising company.

    What about Firefox, whose entire existence depends on money from Yahoo (an advertising company) and previously Google.

  13. Well... by PKFC · · Score: 1

    Even the user switching menu being permanently on and taking space from my tab bar is enough to have me wanting to switch.

    I will say too that it seems like YouTube also has ads when having DNS ad blocking turned on. (http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/zero/) This behaviour is not something I've noticed before a month ish ago. It also seems like background audio on iOS is not possible when using the YouTube webpage. Just more extinguish of the EEE.

    1. Re:Well... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Even the user switching menu being permanently on and taking space from my tab bar is enough to have me wanting to switch.

      I installed Firefox and stopped using Chrome at work a couple years back, when Chrome wouldn't let me remove a not-safe-for-work typo-squatting site from the suggestions drop-down.

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  14. My YouTube ad revenue went up by lhaeh · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the twitter posts in the linked article, it seems this started on the 5th. My most recent ad revenue data from YouTube is for that day, I made $11.68, normally I make $5-$8 per day. I've been seeing some spikes recently, but I assumed that was from heavy back to school advertising, maybe it could have been from this.

    Any other tubers out there notice something like this?

    1. Re:My YouTube ad revenue went up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > My most recent ad revenue data from YouTube is for that day, I made $11.68, normally I make $5-$8 per day

      What do you usually make on saturdays that are the stat of 3-day weekends?

    2. Re:My YouTube ad revenue went up by lhaeh · · Score: 1

      It's hard to say, revenue jumps around a lot, and is not all that dependant on views, I'd have to stick it in a spreadsheet to figure out if there is a higher/lower average or not.

    3. Re:My YouTube ad revenue went up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And tonight, the children eat!

    4. Re:My YouTube ad revenue went up by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

      I doubt it. YouTube implemented skippable ads because they found that they work better (probably because they piss people off less). I also doubt that a significant fraction of YouTube users make use of the Chrome app.

  15. Boycott the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a policy of boycotting any product I see advertised on youtube for 72h.

    1. Re:Boycott the source by tepples · · Score: 1

      Good luck with boycotting YouTube's advertisers when your power company, your ISP, your car insurer, your health insurer, or the gasoline chain with a station near you is running an ad campaign.

    2. Re:Boycott the source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Against community standards... will be blocked locally until they conform to local laws.

  16. Uninstall the Chrome YouTube app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was driving me nuts today, but I can confirm that uninstalling the Chrome YouTube app solved the problem.

    1. Re:Uninstall the Chrome YouTube app by barlevg · · Score: 1

      What does the app even do in the first place?

    2. Re:Uninstall the Chrome YouTube app by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does the app even do in the first place?

      It writes www.youtube.com in the address bar so you don't have to.

    3. Re:Uninstall the Chrome YouTube app by fnj · · Score: 1

      What does the app even do in the first place?

      Somebody fucking answer this question goddammit.

      I tried to yell to wake somebody up, but the shitty filter won't let me.

    4. Re:Uninstall the Chrome YouTube app by reve_etrange · · Score: 2

      An AC said it: It writes www.youtube.com in the address bar so you don't have to. I think it used to be able to download some videos, but not anymore.

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    5. Re:Uninstall the Chrome YouTube app by Syntastic · · Score: 2

      Most Chrome Apps contain html/css/js so when you visit a page you don't have to download these. It's a pre-packaged website. You'll only need to download dynamic content.

  17. A matter of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought it would be a matter of time before google figured out a way to stop adblockers from blocking video ads, it's such a huge incentive.

  18. Re:Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If people would put their money where their mouths are, they wouldn't have to. But apparently not paying for things, and then being annoyed when they make their money through other means, is the way to do things. After all, they're just web browsers. Surely anyone could whip one up on the cheap.

  19. What about Chromium? by barlevg · · Score: 1

    Seems like forks of the open-source version should be able to disable this.

    1. Re:What about Chromium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just watched a dozen or two tube videos with Chromium. Not a single ad in sight.

    2. Re:What about Chromium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google says wikipedia says "Chromium is the open-source web browser project from which Google Chrome draws its source code."
      I would expect Chromium to not have this "feature" at all.

  20. Re:Firefox haters repent by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    works fine for me, as this only effects the youtube app, course you would have known that if you bothered to read.

    chrome still loads and runs faster, especially on my old / ultralight computers, and doesnt eat 2/3rds of my ram just sitting there

  21. If it all gets too much by no-body · · Score: 1

    Just drop the whole show and do something else - drink a beer or have a good smoke or tea - enjoy life without all those suckers.

    It may even work...

  22. Hosts file by plasm4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been copying and pasting this into my hosts file every couple months on top of using ad block. I haven't seen adverts in a long time. http://someonewhocares.org/hos...

    1. Re:Hosts file by andyn · · Score: 1

      B-b-but w-who on earth would want to block Goatse and Tubgirl?

    2. Re:Hosts file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks for that. that boosts my hosts file upto 39,000+ sites blocked.

      I think i'm winning the adwars.
      Between noscript and the hosts file i RARELY see any sort of ad/tracker/webbug/anything annoying.
      Downside is it breaks a few sites that i didn't give a fuck about anyway.

    3. Re:Hosts file by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      I use a different one, but the principle is sound and it works great; no Adblock needed. One change I'd make to yours is to uncomment some lines, like these:

      #127.0.0.1 google-analytics.com # breaks some sites
      #127.0.0.1 ssl.google-analytics.com
      #127.0.0.1 www.google-analytics.l.google.com

      So it "breaks some sites". Haven't noticed that myself, and don't care if it does.

  23. Download the video by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Download the YouTube video using youtube-dl, livestreamer, or use some other video views (like maybe VLC and SMplayer).

    Won't work with the for-pay stuff (Hollywood movies and whatnot), but it'll work with most normal videos.

  24. Re:Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    The compressed firefox download is 47 megabytes. Sure, a program that size is easy to write.
    Many years ago they did a complete rewrite, and the effort almost bankrupted them.

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  25. Re: Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing mor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People viewing the internet as "a capitalistic system" is what got us into this mess in the first place.

  26. Paid subscription by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The web is filled with freeloaders who get angry when they don't get their way.

    Google can introduce a paid subscription model for those few willing to pay-up for using the service without ads and tell the rest of the freeloaders to accept the ads or fuck off. After all, these people bring nothing to the web except costs.

  27. How to block again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are the instructions to reenable the adblocking in Chrome again: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/09/...

  28. Are you selling another browserbook? by tepples · · Score: 1

    What other browser is available on netbooks? The only operating system sold on netbooks nowadays is Chrome OS. They don't make netbooks with preinstalled desktop Linux anymore, and even if you use Crouton to install a "normal" Linux distribution, a Chromebook's bootloader still prompts you "Press space to wipe all your files and reinstall Chrome OS" every time you turn it on.

    1. Re:Are you selling another browserbook? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Don't they make Android-based netbooks anymore?

    2. Re:Are you selling another browserbook? by tepples · · Score: 2

      Android has another problem: even if you have the screen space for four phone-sized apps, apps have to explicitly opt in to running unmaximized, and few do.

  29. EFF where are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since Google's business model is virtually entirely ad based it has major incentive to put in ads. (even Firefox to a lessor degree) The biggest issue isn't ads though. It's the tracking that comes with ads.

    There are three ways to generate revenue to pay for development work.... ads, charity, or paid model . The current problem with paid is everyone wants something for free. They'll accept the ad based browser over forking over cash. The problem with charity is that developing, maintaining and updating modern browsers is expensive. So ad based browsers currently dominate the market.

    If we want to change that what is needed is a coalition of the willing (possibly spearheaded by a trustworthy privacy oriented NGO like the EFF) to build a new privacy oriented open source browser from the ground up... and create a new privacy oriented non-profit to do the ongoing development work.

    While someone would argue why not just port over existing open source browsers the problem is that the existing browsers all have features that can break the ad/privacy model. This is because the companies behind them aren't focused on privacy. The company that develops it (unlike Google, Mozilla, Microsoft, Apple et al) has to have a principled privacy model that keeps out anything that isn't privacy friendly. (including any extensions that break privacy, ad tracking, insecure browsing, etc.... )

    They could possibly supplement the non-profit's income by also offering a paid version of a Tor-like service that works by chaining VPN's together to create the same effect as Tor but at a much faster speed.

    Human nature is to mostly seek our self-interests. If an organization's revenue model includes ad revenue, their self-interest will drive them to exploit that. If however their business model is based on making revenue specifically only on privacy features and nothing that could compromise that.... they have the incentive to do just that.

  30. More options please by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Those aren't the only options. The other option if to FUCK YOUTUBE.

    1. Re:More options please by hyperar · · Score: 1

      Those aren't the only options. The other option if to FUCK YOUTUBE.

      You beat me to it.

    2. Re:More options please by rholtzjr · · Score: 1

      Ditto. Thee moment a website interferes with my preferred browsing experience it is gone from my list of websites I will visit.
      Buh-Bye youtube.com

    3. Re:More options please by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Aand... make a video of you fucking youtube, which you could then post to youtube? I bet the ad revenue from that would be insane!

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      I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  31. Copyright in the documents on the site by tepples · · Score: 0

    The owner of a web site owns or licenses copyright in the documents that make up the site, whether you visit or not. Doesn't ad blocking create a derivative work?

    1. Re:Copyright in the documents on the site by narcc · · Score: 1

      No, it does not.

    2. Re:Copyright in the documents on the site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's irrelevant if you don't distribute, surely.

    3. Re:Copyright in the documents on the site by tepples · · Score: 1

      The exclusive right to prepare derivative works and the exclusive right to distribute are listed as distinct exclusive rights under 17 USC 106.

    4. Re:Copyright in the documents on the site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:Copyright in the documents on the site by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What you're suggesting is that the web page, with ads, is copyrightable, and that the end user with a legal copy is not allowed to modify it in that way.

      The first is highly questionable, as adding ads is an algorithmic process that does not appear to involve creativity. (In the US, nothing is copyrightable that doesn't involve some minimal level of creativity.) The second is highly questionable, as it would seem to violate the "first sale" doctrine. If my (currently unhosted) website sends you a collection of files, you now have lawful copies of those files, and have quite a bit of liberty in what you can do with them, just as if you were to buy my (hypothetical) book you could do all sorts of things to modify it.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    6. Re:Copyright in the documents on the site by metrix007 · · Score: 1

      That is idiotic. You should know better.

      Fucking troll.

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      If you ignore ACs because they are anonymous - you're an idiot.
  32. Yes, Pale Moon 64 bits by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Pale Moon x64 is Firefox with adult supervision. With Pale Moon, use Pale Moon's own ad blocker, AdBlock Latitude.

    Firefox is becoming less and less stable. It's so unstable that it often doesn't report crashes, so the crash reports aren't reliable, they show far fewer crashes than actually occurred. Mozilla Foundation needs better management.

    1. Re:Yes, Pale Moon 64 bits by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Pale Moon x64 is Firefox with adult supervision.

      They disabled ciphers needed for common websites like eBay, and not like "click here to use this cipher anyway" but "up yours sucker"

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  33. Re:PrivacyBadger = ABP code & inferior vs. hos by tepples · · Score: 1

    At some point, I think you need to get your own website instead of copy-pasting your entire spiel all over Slashdot.

  34. Google doesn't want to take my money by tepples · · Score: 1

    Google can introduce a paid subscription model for those few willing to pay-up for using the service without ads

    Google announced "Google Contributor". When I signed up, I was told I would be put on a waitlist, and I've been on that waitlist for months with no reply. That's one of the problems with Google: "no reply."

  35. Re:Firefox haters repent by reve_etrange · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And if they want to put the tabs on top

    I have them on the left (Tree Style Tabs). They also load and unload themselves from memory (BarTab), block ads (uBlock origin), and run only desired scripts (NoScript).

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    .: Semper Absurda :.
  36. Re: Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing mor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Capitalism has nothing to do with advertising. Advertising is propaganda done by private businesses in an attempt to brainwash simple minds. Advertising is so ubiquitous that everyone has become a simple mind, expect those who have achieved to block all external information from their life. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself that you don't even notice adverts, you are just like everyone else and you are influenced by the adverts.

    I don't know what kind of 'ism' advertising belongs to, but it is not capitalism. When I take a step back and look at the most popular sites on the Internet, I would say it is even the opposite of capitalism. Most popular sites are for free (as in free beer). But they are not free (as in free speech). If you really want to compare the current Internet as an advertising platform I would not compare it with the capitalistic system where you have to pay for everything you want, but with that other system that used to exist in Europe until the late 80's/early 90's: Communism. In Communist Internet you get the information 'they' want you to get for free, but in Communist Internet the Internet owns you(r privacy).

    Just look at it. You get everything for free, even when you want to pay for stuff you can't even get it, with the system of blocked regions or messages like 'not available in your country'. Just like in the Communist countries where there was a high demand for Western products but they were not allowed to buy them.
     
    Just like in Communist countries you get most basic things for free, but the quality is ... mediocre at best. Just like in the Communist countries the only alternative to official channels is ... the shadow economy (torrents, warez sites, ...). Just like in the KGB, Stasie, ... in the Communist countries, there are agencies monitoring the entire Internet population in secrecy.

    If I want to compare an Internet whose only revenue is advertisement with a political/economical system than it is Communism and not Capitalism.

    And to me it is no surprise that only the most communist like movements can survive on the Internet, like GPL and BSD and Creative Commons, ... They are not really communist of course, but they are bought for free (as in free beer) and free (as in free speech) and give you the tools to reclaim control over your data.

  37. We are not Google's customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The advertisers are.

  38. It's just facts/truth & I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    (That tell you anything? It did me - what I do here on /. & other sites, works for good p.r.!)

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    (I don't really have an interest in maintaining a webserver or site here either...)

    APK

    P.S.=> So far so good though - /. makes for EXCELLENT exposure for it & nobody here amongst my 'naysayers' ever proves me validly wrong technically so... there ya go! apk

    1. Re:It's just facts/truth & I do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a walking jabbering advertisement for the least constructive traits of what is called autism spectrum disorders.

  39. Re:Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox is free, the company behind Firefox depends on money from any source (in this case Yahoo). That's both the advantage and disadvantage of Open Source. You are still making a living, but you have to find another cash flow than from selling your software.
     
    When Microsoft abandoned IE 6, nobody could pick up the code and continue support. When Mozilla abandons Firefox, anyone can pick up the code and continue support (except for the name and logo maybe, or what was it that the Debian people thought was too unfree?).

  40. truly embedded ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I forsee the next step: embedding the ads into the video stream itself. :-|

  41. Where's the problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see a problem here. 1. Don't update Chrome. 2. Don't use Chrome. Fucking simple answer people. Stop bitching like a bunch of little faggots.

  42. Coincidence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if that has anything to do with Chrome suddenly starting to constantly crash on my system. I looked up the information I was getting after the crash apparently there was a workaround that involved setting up some custom exemptions for the browser with my AV/Firewall.

    Would be rather ironic if it was related because Google was my dedicated un-adblocked browser for sites I trust. It was easier to simply uninstall chrome. Which finally got me to try opera for my dedicated browser for trusted sites.

  43. then why not do so? This is the Youtube app, not C by raymorris · · Score: 1

    If the purpose of Chrome is to get rid of ad blockers, why haven't they gotten rid of any ad blockers in Chrome? One specific ad blocker isn't 100% effective with the Youtube app. Few people even use the Youtube app. This doesn't have anything to do with the browser, you know.

  44. Not just Chrome by BLToday · · Score: 1

    I've been noticing it's doing the same thing with Safari on Mac. If you have Adblock on, the ad videos are unskippable. Turn off or pause adblock and there's no video ads.

  45. I'm not seeing any ads... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Latest stable Chrome with Adblock, Ghostery, and ScriptBlock. No ads.

  46. Re: Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alright, let's talk capitalism. How much is viewing this Slashdot page and having a forum for your views worth to you in dollars and cents?

  47. More ad wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty soon all these adblockers making a fuss are going to push content producers to integrate ads in to content in a way that is completely seamless and unblockable using simple URI blocking mechanisms, scripts or others.
    I mean content that, by simple algorithm standards, is completely similar to other content and media on the page.

    See that Youtube video? Yeah, now the ads will be spliced on SERVER to the front, middle and end of the video. You can say bye-bye adblocking since now it will be a full, single data stream from start to finish with no noticeable client-end hooks, changes, events or anything to target with a script or extension.
    It will happen. Sooner or later it will become like this.

    You think your adblocking matters? Google are bigger than the city you live in. You matter not. The entirety of adblockers make barely a dent on Google since they barely pay any money for bandwidth since most of Youtube runs over their own network which basically only requires power and routine maintenance, much cheaper than a 3rd party CDN.
    In fact, the only thing adblocking people are doing is hurting the people that they likely watch because they like their content.
    Google don't suffer. It is the poor Youtube channel you like that is suffering more.
    Your time isn't THAT important. Besides, you should be watching all your videos at 1.5x speed anyway. Real-time is for normals. Gotta live fast.

    1. Re:More ad wars by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Because just imagine what life would be like if you couldn't watch the latest funny cat video on Youtube! It would hardly be worth living!

      Google is a company that sells ads. That's all. Our ancestors lived for tens of thousands of years without ads, and can live without them again.

  48. You can't win that war, take my money instead. by ancientt · · Score: 1

    My computer, my rules. Don't like it, buy me a computer, pay my electricity bill and internet bill. I'm totally down with that. Otherwise, too bad. Or better yet, if you don't like people doing what they like with their computers because your site wants them to do something they refuse to, take your site down. Please do that. Hilarious.

    Here's the thing, I control what my computer does and the more irritating the advertising is, the more effort I'm willing to put into making sure it stops. My computer, my control. The more advertisers try to force the issue, the more people like me will turn our attention to making sure our computer does what we want and doesn't do anything we don't want.

    "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." - some chick with weird hair

    It's not a new phenomena. You can only push people so hard until they rebel. In this particular war, all of the power lies with the computer owner. You can't force people to consume advertising, you can only ask them to in return for something valuable. I don't mind some advertising as long as it doesn't cross the line from interesting into irritating, but it seems like about half the sites on the internet crossed that line. So yeah, I'm blocking advertising. That doesn't mean I don't want to support the content I love. Slashdot got money from me, even though I already had the ads blocked. Pandora gets money from me. There's a handful of others I directly support, but most sites don't offer the option, even if they offer the content I'm interested in. Why not?

    Want to turn a million dollars into hundreds of millions? Take my money! People like me would pay ten dollars a month (easy) to get an advertising free internet. Get the top 500 sites to tell you how much they'd charge per month to offer an advertising free version and then see how many potential customers you could get. I'm betting you'd find out there is a ton of money to be had and people happy to pay. Why isn't anyone already doing this? Won't somebody please take my money?

    --
    B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    1. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have. The same company even. I pay 5 bucks a month and see far fewer ads and actually help support the sites I visit... as opposed to just getting the benefit of their existence without even trying to thank them / support them.

      https://contributor.google.com/

    2. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      You are using their computers, (servers) and so are obliged to follow their rules.

      If you can use technological measures to circumvent their ads, then that's your right, but they have just as strong a right to use technological measures to counter-circumvent. Don't like it? Don't use youTube. It's not like they care that much. They're not profiting from you.

    3. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by abigsmurf · · Score: 1

      You have full control over the information you send to Google. You can choose not to allow JS, you can choose not to allow cookies, you can spoof your metadata. The information you send to google is 100% voluntary, down to the settings and software you use,

      Even still, the "my computer is using resources so this gives me a right to the site" argument is poor. It's like saying you have a right for someone to bend to your demands because you had to use your mouth to ask them and then used your ears and brain to receive their response

    4. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      My computer, my rules. Don't like it, buy me a computer, pay my electricity bill and internet bill. I'm totally down with that.

      If you don't like the terms, then don't visit the site. That will greatly help with your electricity and internet bills.

    5. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by ancientt · · Score: 1

      I doubt this would have the breath of impact I'm looking for, but thanks, I'm going to consider this.

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      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    6. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by ancientt · · Score: 1

      You are using their computers, (servers) and so are obliged to follow their rules.

      If you can use technological measures to circumvent their ads, then that's your right, but they have just as strong a right to use technological measures to counter-circumvent.

      You're right. They can add whatever technical measures they think best benefit their income and I can take whatever measures I feel best benefit my access. My observation is that more aggressive tactics result in more aggressive counter tactics and the end user has the overwhelming advantage.

      Don't like it? Don't use youTube. It's not like they care that much. They're not profiting from you.

      Of course, if YouTube's tactics for trying to get people to view advertising become too aggressive, more and more people will just avoid it while others develop more and more sophisticated methods of bypassing it. Eventually YouTube loses on both the number of visitors and the number of visitors who work at avoiding advertising.

      Google is making money from me even if they never manage to show me an ad. They offer several things I appreciate, including the opportunity to hold some of my actual money, so I really don't want them to fail. I hope they do manage to hit the sweet spot of income via advertising without crossing the line into driving away customers with irritation. I don't think this particular move crosses that line, so my comments were directed more toward the ad supported web business model in general than Google specifically.

      What I see happening is a backlash against intrusive advertising and I expect Google is smart enough to make money in that climate anyway. I just hope not everyone adopts the attitude of "Don't use youTube." The end users will always win and the only hope of successfully keeping the web alive in the long run is to find balance end users will accept or change the way websites make money.

      Change is hard. It's not (always anyway) about greed; it's about balance. The advertising funded web business model is starting to fail, and people who rely on it have three choices:
      1. Balance successfully the amount of advertising people consume in a way they're willing to consume it.
      2. Find a business model that doesn't rely on advertising so much.

      People who haven't figured out how to do either of those things are rightfully scared, and some of them still think there is an option of forcing end users to accept what end users are demonstrating they won't accept. It can't work and that makes people mad. I get it, but really, all the power is in the hands of the end user, which makes the choice even starker:

      Adapt or die.

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      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    7. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by ancientt · · Score: 1

      Did I say that? No. I said that I control my computer so I control what it does. Sure, I'm willing to take a free computer and free internet access in exchange for viewing more ads (hint hint Google) but that's not the point.

      Depending on the ability to force someone to do something they don't want to do is a terrible long term business model. I think a lot of people who have been depending on it are angry that it's starting to fail. The worst part is that it doesn't need to be that way; those websites don't have to depend on advertising to make a profit. I deliberately start off the discussion by poking the painful truth right where it upsets people most because that's the motivation necessary to make people consider change.

      In reality, I'm trying to change minds to avoid a Mexican Standoff. Both parties have veto power, the content provider can stop providing content and the consumer can stop consuming. Since I want the content providers to keep providing content, I point out their weakness so that they'll consider an alternative. If the web weren't already so filled with obtrusive advertising, I'd be trying to change minds on the other side.

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      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    8. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by ancientt · · Score: 1

      Or I can ad-block and visit the site without ads. It's not a moral stance I'm suggesting, it's just an observation of fact.

      Or better still, the business model of trying and failing to force people to do something avoidable could evolve into something that has a better long term chance of success. If nobody changes the way things are headed, the advertising is going to get harder and harder to avoid while the consumers who would have accepted advertising are going to be more and more motivated to avoid it. Nobody wins that way.

      The only way to avoid an end game where consumers just stop visiting sites dependant on views is to change how the sites get their funding. Well, that or take complete control over what people can and can't do with the hardware and software they purchase which is just a different, faster and more painful end to the internet we've come to love.

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      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
    9. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      The only way to avoid an end game where consumers just stop visiting sites dependant on views is to change how the sites get their funding. Well, that or take complete control over what people can and can't do with the hardware and software they purchase which is just a different, faster and more painful end to the internet we've come to love.

      So you'd be completely fine with an option of an ad-free paywall, like Netflix?

    10. Re:You can't win that war, take my money instead. by ancientt · · Score: 1

      In many cases, I think that's the only way certain websites can survive, so yes. Ideally though, I should be able to send my monthly ad-free payment to one organization, like a bank, which will in return give my browser identity to all the sites on the web who offer both an ad-supported interface and a supporter interface.

      Slashdot, Google, Pandora and Hulu have all already realized that people are willing to pay for an minimal advertising experience and offer both ad-supported sites and consumer supported sites. In my house we're already paying for Netflix, Amazon Prime, Pandora and three out of four of us put money in Google Wallet, and I've paid for Slashdot in the past. There is a lot of room to wrangle over the costs per visitor but those sites make a lot more from my family than any ad-supported sites do.

      With Adblock Browser being accepted on both Android and iOS and the default browser in Windows now offering a Reading View (which pretty much eliminates ads), the future is clear: ad-supported websites are going to be forced to change the way they do things if they want to survive. The first thing I'd do if I were depending on income from advertising is move to a native-ad model, so that my advertising wouldn't be blocked as often but that's only going to last so long. Check out https://boingboing.net/2015/07... in Microsoft Edge browser. Right now the page shows what appears to be a scantily clad woman in the the upper right of the page, and an Intel banner, and a Boing Boing ad mid-right and a bunch of chlickbait junk at the bottom, and now I hit the Reading View button built into Edge and all that disappears.

      I know which view I'd rather my boss see when he walks by.

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      B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
  49. Internet is Dying by hinesbrad · · Score: 1

    I find that just about every website I visit these days has some sort of incredibly invasive advertising on it. I really don't mind a few clickable links off to the side or a small banner, but what I do mind is the whole new level that advertising has stooped to on the internet. I remember in the mid-2000's how pervasive pop-up advertising became and it reduced the experience of the internet of a crawl. Now the overlay ad has become the new popup. Everywhere I go I find that I sometimes have to click off three or four ads just to get to the useful content I want. I also find that the density of the content I am accustomed to is falling and is also becoming ever more obnoxious too. Advertisers did this to themselves, they got more in-your-face and the internet reacted in a hostile way with ad blocking software. What were they expecting? I never thought the day would come where I actually wanted to use Lynx or another text-only web browser, but I legitimately think the model of the internet being dependent on advertising has crushed the experience to the point where it is no longer usable. At least with advertising driven television you got free signal over the air. Now you pay for the connection and also have to endure an awful experience to have a basic level of information exchange.

  50. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    8.) Protect vs. spam

    APK Hosts File Engine doesn't seem to protect against spam. It constantly spams Slashdot with ads for itself. How do I stop it doing that?

  51. uBlock Origin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uBlock Origin, no problems, no changes; good time to switch to a blocker that works better at what it's supposed to do, with much better performance,
    Don't confuse with "uBlock", which is not the original and much better version of the two, I believe some dev jumped ships to make his own and hijack the name. Not quite sure what went on there.

  52. "IROC" Fightclub... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Says all - Nobody's validly technically proved me wrong so, there ya are.

    * :)

    (You wish you were me - I suppose I can understand that, & I don't blame you (lol!))

    APK

    P.S.=> You know it's true, lmao - but as usual, my 1st line above's as per my usual, true as always - so get on topic, or do better than I then OR prove my points validly technically wrong... Otherwise, you look like a troll to everyone reading (You know this though)... apk

    1. Re:"IROC" Fightclub... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus christ shut the fuck up you lunatic psycho

  53. Pale Moon doesn't work with eBay? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    So, you are saying you cannot purchase items on eBay using Pale Moon?

    1. Re:Pale Moon doesn't work with eBay? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So, you are saying you cannot purchase items on eBay using Pale Moon?

      No, you can, but not out of the box, any more anyway. (long story short, set security.tls.version.min to 0 to enable the unsafe but necessary behavior...)

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  54. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A solution to this is to modify adblocking software to auto click every ad and even spider a layer or two the ad hosts site... Those paying for ads will quickly see the folly and the ad structure or something! will drastically change.

    I have not since I was 10 years old bought anything from an Ad... I don't know who does... Now directed/filtered content in search results featuring sites that pay for better placement may have gotten lucky a few times but once I found duckduckgo's results lead me to cheaper online stores I dropped google as my primary search engine...

  55. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently the entire Internet needs a reality check:

    YOU have no right or entitlement to consume content from Internet sites. Site owners have no obligation to serve YOU with content, especially not at their own expense. If you don't want to see the ads, DON'T USE THE SERVICE. Find another video hosting site that has a funding model you're amicable to.

    Block ads if you must, I certainly do. But for the love of his noodly appendage, don't pretend you're somehow entitled to use Youtube on your own terms, gratis, forever. Google is, however, entitled to prevent dishonest usage of its services. This a minor inconvenience to you? Stiff shit.

    This is like being upset and angry at the local cinema because they locked off that back door you used to sneak in.

  56. SRWare Iron Browser (Chrome base) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SRWare Iron works just fine (Chrome base)

    Just tested. No ads.

  57. Absolutely False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm almost entirely certain that this is a couple people who messed something up in their adblock settings and blamed chrome, then proceeded to blow it out of proportion. There's always been a random chance of getting unskipable ads so that's nothing new either. This is absolutely not happening on any of my system's, or anyone else I know who runs chrome.

  58. Re:You'd like this then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All hail apk, Lord of Hosts.

  59. Put ads at the end by Art3x · · Score: 1

    Put the ad at the end, not the beginning. It will be seen less but also hated less.

    Do you really want to associate your brand with interruption and irritation?

    When you click on a video, you're eager to see it, and here comes an add to kill the mood.

    On the other hand, when you're done with a video, you're usually laughing or smiling or in a good mood, and there's maybe more of a lull as you try to decide what to do next.

  60. Nuke the ads to 127.0.0.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just update your hosts file with ad server IPs and be done with it - "mvps hosts" in google will bring it up

  61. Enjoy, Googtards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google would never do evil, would they?

  62. Linux safe for now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing on Google Chrome linux, yet! But I use U-Block.

  63. Re:then why not do so? This is the Youtube app, no by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    If the purpose of Chrome is to get rid of ad blockers, why haven't they gotten rid of any ad blockers in Chrome? One specific ad blocker isn't 100% effective with the Youtube app. Few people even use the Youtube app. This doesn't have anything to do with the browser, you know.

    Easy - they need the research. If you're wanting to work around ad blockers, you need to figure out how they work, so having them in your catalog is a way to do that. Plus, if you don't have ad blockers, people will quickly realize it.

    And the "Skip Ad" thing is still present - it's just Google rigged it so that the ad blocker sees *that* as the ad! In other words, the "Skip Ad" link is made to appear as an ad, so your ad blocker will dutifully block it.

    It's happened a few times before - many sites that go and show historical ads often put the content up as "ads". Which often triggers ad blockers, and you can easily tell because they always put up comments as "I can't see the ads!".

  64. Thanks Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I am entitled to completely free service.

  65. Is it so wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see everyone is mad about this, but i find it actually right.
    I mean, Google is not making you pay or anything, is leaving you the right to skip ads if u listen to them a little.
    It's not that bad. Google is giving a lot of services for free, is it SO bad that somebody has to pay for those huge infrastructure costs? Actually, if i can help back Google it's ok for me. Google helped me a lot, i'm just giving something back.

  66. Hosts file. by gizmo2199 · · Score: 1

    Just use an ad blocking hosts file like MVPS. no Google ads regardless of browser. I have it set up on my AP.

    --
    This Sig does not Exist.
  67. what? by abigsmurf · · Score: 1

    It's the site owners who are entitled? Slashdot is a parody of itself sometimes.

    They can deliver the content in whatever means they want. Don't like it? Don't visit. Google are under no obligation to deliver content in a way that meets you personal preferences. You don't have a right to ad free content. You can try to bypass or not receive this content but Google are perfectly free to come up with ways to ensure they won't serve you one thing without the other.

    You have no automatic right to access their servers and content and it's perfectly within their rights to control access, just like you as a user can turn off JS and disable cookies.

  68. Full-length ads even with whitelisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Users with AdBlock enabled will now have to see full-length video ads with no option to skip them half-way through, a feature YouTube has offered for a very long time. The only way to get the option back is to disable AdBlock, or to whitelist YouTube.

    I had YouTube whitelisted (or at least AdBlock said "allow this page only", for every page). Then it started showing those full-length video ads, and now it is blocked. Seems to have worked this far.

  69. That's GOOD about Pale Moon, not bad, apparently. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    The link you provided is interesting. The discussion gives an extremely good impression of the thinking behind Pale Moon.

    Here is a quote:

    'What Firefox does is a rather crude "try, try again" with lower reported maximum supported TLS settings in this situation where secure renegotiation is not supported. This (unsafe) fallback allows Firefox to "connect at all costs" (the cost measured in terms of security, in this case) although it's not part of normal protocol negotiation or any standard.'

  70. Re:That's GOOD about Pale Moon, not bad, apparentl by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    The discussion gives an extremely good impression of the thinking behind Pale Moon. [...] 'What Firefox does is a rather crude "try, try again" with lower reported maximum supported TLS settings in this situation

    They are both wrong. The right way is to inform the user that unsafe behavior will be required to proceed, and then let them do that. That's how Firefox handles questionable certificates, and it's how Pale Moon should handle questionable cipher suites.

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  71. Paying for entertainment? by Merk42 · · Score: 1

    People want to be paid for their work? Pfff. I deserve it for free because I'm a self-entitled millennial!

  72. Easy fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's an easy fix.
    http://www.ghacks.net/2015/09/06/blockers-not-blocking-ads-on-youtube-in-chrome-try-this-fix/

  73. Seems to be a bug in Chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    which will be fixed soon.

    https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=526413#c6

    enjoy.

  74. Swearing & profanity... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: "Doth not a logical argument make" & you're not convincing thus.

    * :)

    I merely spoke truth -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... & it elicited that "FoaMiNg-@-TeH-MouTh" raving reply from you, laden with profanity & using the name of Jesus in vain...

    (... & to quote Jack Nicholson from the film "A Few Good Men"? "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" & it's still truth...)

    APK

    P.S.=> Face facts: You WISH you were ME... lol!

    ... apk

  75. Ads have become the Prions on the GoogleBrain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the Internet is the self-wiring of a global unified brain.. then its a universal good for all, and Ads are the left over "Prions" infecting it.. rather than getting flushed out with the waste.. they have become lingering fragments of life.. attempting to evolve at the expense of the whole.

  76. missing the fundamental problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're missing the fundamental problem.

    No website should be able to see what extensions you have in your browser, and no website should see even which version of a browser that you're using.

    Requirements such as browser version and extension/plugin requirements should be handled withing the browser itself, not the server. And even so developers can still code their sites to downgrade gracefully, without direct knowledge of browser/plugin specifics.

  77. FF Still sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't make FF suck any less.

    I also think it's a good thing because I'll waste less time on youtube. Waste 30 seconds to watch a cat video--I don't think so.

    So I'm failing to see the problem.

  78. Re:Tabs by psyclone · · Score: 1

    Still no tabs on the side? How do you manage lots of tabs without them in a vertical bar, nested, colored and grouped?

    In a portrait monitor configuration, I can see 60 tabs without any scrolling or overlap. (Firefox with tabkit 2nd edition)

  79. Most other websites I block ads on but not Youtube by Vektuz · · Score: 1

    I let them play ads... The reason for that is they revenue share with the content creators. I would actually gladly go to a twitch-style x bucks a month model where some of the x is divided up by the content creators, but they aren't offering that. I heard they're starting someting like that for other websites, but not youtube :( That being said, they've shown me the same exact advert for a restaurant about 30-40 times in a row now and I'm starting to feel like its not worth it. I don't want your 'apps', Chilli's.

  80. Re:then why not do so? This is the Youtube app, no by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    You think a company like Google needs to see a browser extension to know how people block ads?

  81. Re:Chrome is an advertising platform, nothing more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want someone to fuck you, then you should investigate rapists or prostitutes. Advertising companies have been providing you with free television, radio, free local newspapers, and in more recent decades, free websites to educate and/or inform you if you so desire. Or you can choose not to view them if you prefer.

    If you do choose to view them, rather than performing sexual intercourse with you, they will actually display some advertisements for products and services which you might or might not be interested in buying. If you prefer not to buy them, you can ignore the ads and just enjoy the content, which in no case will get you pregnant or infect you with a sexually transmitted disease.

    Furthermore, if you allow their cookies and other tracking technologies to operate, they will reduce the percentage of ads shown to you for products you are totally uninterested in, and show you a higher percentage of ads for things that you actually do have some interest in. All without causing government men in black hats to raid your house and confiscate your computers and arrest you and sodomize you because "OMG this week we are arresting and sodomizing everyone who likes Game of Thrones or Doritos".

    Seriously, dude, you're overreacting to this stuff.

  82. Or, We Can Stop Using Youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Daily Motion is a good option. Vevo isn't bad. I've been cranky with YouTube for a long time. This is a good time to ditch them.

  83. Privoxy by Thelxepeia · · Score: 1

    I've been using an OS-level blocker for years (privoxy.org). No complaints.

  84. Use another browser by melting_clock · · Score: 1

    There are other browsers that will allow ads to be blocked on youtube. I should really stop with that statement but the more I think about this, the more it annoys me...

    Google preventing ad blocking from working on their sites, within their browser, shouldn't be much of a surprise but it is a another dangerous step away from browser being a neutral tool to show website content to visitors. Maybe MS will change IE to show their own ads instead of ads from Google - they have already turned Windows into Spyware... Firefox has already forced plugins on users that we can't remove and shown a willingness to compromise the privacy of users to make a bit of money.

    Open source browsers can be forked to get around the sleazy tactics of developers but that requires people willing to take on the development work required to support that fork.

  85. Or... by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

    To download the videos and bypass the YouTube player completely using any number of available options.

  86. They block addons but can't block hosts files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    FREE & adds speed, security, + reliability, doing more with less, more efficiently vs. browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' redirect security issues - obtaining its data vs. online threats & adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community - using something you already have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR' that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overuse overheads that actually makes you go FASTER (instead of slowing you down as other "so-called security 'solutions'" do).

    * :)

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"...

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  87. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  88. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  89. Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ghostery do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you by a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (e.g. stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory use vs. addons

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on Ghostery doing all that let alone as well as hosts do!

    APK

    P.S.=> Addons do FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts by way of comparison, do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

    Addons add complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ClarityRay DETECTS browser addons like Ghostery & blocks them (not hosts) via native browser methods.

    What's better than ghostery by FAR?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  90. PrivacyBadger = ABP code & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can PrivacyBadger do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on PrivacyBadger doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> PrivacyBadger does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    PrivacyBadger's Adblock+ codebase 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    PrivacyBadger adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  91. You'd like this then... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    FREE & adds speed, security, + reliability, doing more with less, more efficiently vs. browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' redirect security issues - obtaining its data vs. online threats & adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community - using something you already have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR' that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overuse overheads & actually SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocking + locally cached in RAM favorites placed @ the TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed), whereas by way of comparison, other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOW YOU DOWN!

    * :)

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"...

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  92. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  93. You can't technically validly prove me wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    I'm not spamming anything. I don't even SELL anything, I give it away for free AND I merely tell the truth & how it is:

    FACT: I created a tool far superior to its "so-called 'competition'" in crippled by default sold-out to advertisers browser addons like AdBlock/AdBlock+ -> http://www.businessinsider.com...

    (One that uses what you ALREADY HAVE NATIVELY HAVE minus "bolting on 'MoAr'" that runs in slower usermode (vs. hosts in kernelmode)).

    APK

    P.S.=> I'd suggest you do the same, but you can't even live up to my subject line (& it's obvious you lack the skills in computer programming to do so)... apk

  94. I have seen no such change by The+Eight-Bit+Link · · Score: 1

    Because I don't use Adblock, Adblock Plus, or any other adblocker that bends to the whims of advertisers. Instead, I use uBlock.