I don't know Viktor Sayenko. Or are you Igor Suprunyuck?
(for those rational folks reading along in this thread who don' tunderstand the point: there is no point. how else does one deal with a crackpot on the intarwebs who only understands a subject matter within the framework of their own internal delusional references?)
i am not required to hold your hand and give you the intellectual charity necessary to lead you out of your current state of colossal blindness in a merry manner. i'm not your father
i merely need to point out the big and obvious falsehoods you so blithely miss in your flawed antediluvian thinking
if a society does not function fairly, the lessons of history are clear: revolution
it is a shame that societies often have to go through violent, bloody revolution, rather than merely make rules to make wealth distribution more fair, simply because of the existence of blind ignorant fools such as yourself
you have this odd, bizarre belief that natural market forces create wealth distribution is somehow fair
and more bizarrely, you believe government, rather than the reality of a rotten institution that does the deeds of those with the money, is somehow an evil tool that steals from the middle class to do the bidding of poor people with low character who don't deserve anything
your understanding of the world and how power and money actually works is completely nonsensical
there are plenty of people who are poor in this world through their own character failures
there are plenty of people who are rich because of hard work
but you seem unable to understand why some are rich: not because of hard work. but through a power structure that rewards them for doing nothing but knowing the right people
and some are poor even though they have the right character, but they exist in a society that is structured in such a way they have no avenue to better themselves
and, more ominously, why some are rich and some are poor is more and more because of the latter reasons than the former reasons
where you fail in your ideology is that the world is not the cold war world anymore. you have a perception in your judgments of a society that seems fix on 1962 in a certain place that does exist anymore. your thinking is antiquated
i don't really agree with you, but what i do understand is that in any society where the rich receive too large a share of the wealth, fairness finds a way to reassert itself, by any means possible, including new ideology
conservatives: favoring the rich destroys people's faith in the idea that the system is fair. when that is destroyed, the society is eventually headed towards revolution, as they do not believe their interests are represented by their government
fairness should be the most important thing to your ideology. if it is not, if your ideology is cruel, then you are laying the foundation for the destruction of your society
no to universal healthcare? no to equal access to a good education? ok
beheading someone for a tweet is clearly far more wrong
in fact, in life, every single judgment you can make is a matter of degrees. there is no value taking an idealized point of view and judging all governments from it, becaus eno government will ever reach your standards. your stadnards are unrealistic
no government that has ever existed or ever will exist will not do something wrong. so to say "this government did something wrong and that government did something wrong so they are all the same" is a useless way of thinking about the world
there's no correct way to practice any religion, it is all open to interpretation. in this way, you can distrust anyone who says there is only way to practice a religion, whether in your view (wrong), or the saudi's view (wrong)
is germany outlawing nazi speech the same thing as saudi arabia's stance on religious speech or china's stance on political speech?
does the fact that germany has limits on nazi speech mean it is exactly the same as china and saudi arabia?
those who point to germany's limitations when the subject matter of saudi arabia's much different kind of limitations come up, do they have have a good point?
i'm sorry to inform you that the pessimism and negativity that define your life does not define mine. nor will it define simple human progress. but your words do have the effect of summarizing why your own life will be irrelevant
Intolerance of intolerance is not the same thing as intolerance itself.
If you oppose someone, for example, just because of the color of their skin, I am not the same as you when I oppose you for doing that. I have no problem with criticism of overreach of the PC police, but the PC police are nothing like the hatemongers they stand against.
So to talk about Germany, for example, standing against Nazism, because of German history, this is nothing like the religious intolerance Saudi Arabia demonstrates. It is really intellectually dishonest of you to about these two things as if they are the same. They are nothing alike. Germany is trying to keep a lid on hate. Saudi Arabia is actively engaging in hate.
Intolerance of intolerance is not the same thing as intolerance itself.
In 1912, the idea that more people would transport the globe in flying machines than in railroad trains and cruise ships would be laughed at and dismissed with the same words you just wrote.
Show some imagination and faith in mankind's scientific progress or shut the fuck up.
I have no problem with intelligent criticism. I have every problem with cheap easy pessimism. You are a dim useless bulb.
If you had no oil, your women would be going topless and your sons would listening to death metal. Because you'd have no power structure to impose your medieval thinking in the modern world. The only reason you can, is because we, in the part of the world that actually builds things and actually works and actually tries to build civil and fair societies, we need to pay you for your oil.
But we in the modern world are pretty sick of your backwards thinking, and someday we'll figure out how to get off our addiction to the stuff I guess Allah buried in your sand. When we do that, you can be pretty sure that there will be no more force left in your ability to impose your ridiculous absurd thinking about religion on anyone, most definitely including your own children and grand children. AND YOUR WAY OF THINKING WILL DISAPPEAR.
In short, I have every respect for Islam, but I have nothing but disrespect for your way of thinking of your religion. Fuck you you backwards ignorant tribal assholes. You don't stand for Islam. Any REAL Muslim with REAL CONFIDENCE in their religion would not care what some doubtful journalist tweets. Any cowardly, spineless, and completely without confidence person, who does not represent anything good about Islam, would get upset so easily.
When the world's reliance on your oil comes to an end, your society disappears into the sand in a heartbeat. Nothing props it up but oil. Certainly not the glory of Islam, because you don't represent the glory of Islam, you represent feeble cowardice, lack of confidence and frailty, masquerading as religious devotion. And you call that your faith? It's pretty sad that this Westerner has more knowledge of the DIGNITIY and NOBILITY of YOUR FAITH than you do, judging by the cowardly way you think your religion needs to be defended. Congratulations on making your religion a joke by your cowardice and lack of confidence.
The prophet was a man, you are frightened little children. You destroy your own religion.
every government that existed. every government that exists, and every government that ever will exist, will classify some speech as illegal. like child porn. for good reason
so first, get the fuck over the fact that some speech is illegal. grow up. the world is not a place where absolute adherence to any ideology is possible, including the ideology that all speech can or should be legal. to judge the world from this simpleton's point of view is to simply pick a logically impossible standard. making your judgment useless. it's pretty stupid to say "germany outlaws nazi speech. this is the same as china making all political speech illegal or saudi arabia making any religious speech illegal." NO. it is NOT the same thing
maybe some day you can actually begin to say something useful and intelligent by talking about what KINDS of speech are illegal, rather than picking this ridiculous easy and intellectual lazy point of view "all governments categorize some speech as illegal, so they are all the same." no they are NOT all the same, you halfwit. grow up and stuop being such a lazy fundamentalist. yes: you are a fundamentalist: you adhere ridiculously and absurdly to an idea that simply does not work in real life, just like a religious fundamentalist. you just happen to be a free speech fundamentalist. just as useless and dumb as any other sort of fundamentalist in this world
not if it leads to those with a lot of money to invest more in lift systems, and get us off this planet, so we have no need to rape it anymore. or to discover a new propulsion system as a side effect of the research that can change transportation, something that doesn't pollute the atmosphere or politically destabilize portions of the world
it's ok to have a conscience. it's not ok to have no imagination
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I don't know Viktor Sayenko. Or are you Igor Suprunyuck?
(for those rational folks reading along in this thread who don' tunderstand the point: there is no point. how else does one deal with a crackpot on the intarwebs who only understands a subject matter within the framework of their own internal delusional references?)
i am not required to hold your hand and give you the intellectual charity necessary to lead you out of your current state of colossal blindness in a merry manner. i'm not your father
i merely need to point out the big and obvious falsehoods you so blithely miss in your flawed antediluvian thinking
if a society does not function fairly, the lessons of history are clear: revolution
it is a shame that societies often have to go through violent, bloody revolution, rather than merely make rules to make wealth distribution more fair, simply because of the existence of blind ignorant fools such as yourself
you have this odd, bizarre belief that natural market forces create wealth distribution is somehow fair
and more bizarrely, you believe government, rather than the reality of a rotten institution that does the deeds of those with the money, is somehow an evil tool that steals from the middle class to do the bidding of poor people with low character who don't deserve anything
your understanding of the world and how power and money actually works is completely nonsensical
there are plenty of people who are poor in this world through their own character failures
there are plenty of people who are rich because of hard work
but you seem unable to understand why some are rich: not because of hard work. but through a power structure that rewards them for doing nothing but knowing the right people
and some are poor even though they have the right character, but they exist in a society that is structured in such a way they have no avenue to better themselves
and, more ominously, why some are rich and some are poor is more and more because of the latter reasons than the former reasons
where you fail in your ideology is that the world is not the cold war world anymore. you have a perception in your judgments of a society that seems fix on 1962 in a certain place that does exist anymore. your thinking is antiquated
i don't really agree with you, but what i do understand is that in any society where the rich receive too large a share of the wealth, fairness finds a way to reassert itself, by any means possible, including new ideology
conservatives: favoring the rich destroys people's faith in the idea that the system is fair. when that is destroyed, the society is eventually headed towards revolution, as they do not believe their interests are represented by their government
fairness should be the most important thing to your ideology. if it is not, if your ideology is cruel, then you are laying the foundation for the destruction of your society
no to universal healthcare? no to equal access to a good education? ok
then you shall reap what you sow
we lose"
this would be the mindless negativity we are talking about here?
this is wrong
beheading someone for a tweet is clearly far more wrong
in fact, in life, every single judgment you can make is a matter of degrees. there is no value taking an idealized point of view and judging all governments from it, becaus eno government will ever reach your standards. your stadnards are unrealistic
no government that has ever existed or ever will exist will not do something wrong. so to say "this government did something wrong and that government did something wrong so they are all the same" is a useless way of thinking about the world
and more importantly, not beheaded
there's no correct way to practice any religion, it is all open to interpretation. in this way, you can distrust anyone who says there is only way to practice a religion, whether in your view (wrong), or the saudi's view (wrong)
consider what i am responding to
is germany outlawing nazi speech the same thing as saudi arabia's stance on religious speech or china's stance on political speech?
does the fact that germany has limits on nazi speech mean it is exactly the same as china and saudi arabia?
those who point to germany's limitations when the subject matter of saudi arabia's much different kind of limitations come up, do they have have a good point?
let us hear your thinking
is germany outlawing nazi speech the same thing as saudi arabia's stance on religious speech or china's stance on political speech?
does the fact that germany has limits on nazi speech mean it is exactly the same as china or saudi arabia?
do people who point to germany's limitations when the subject matter of saudi arabia's much different kind of limitations come up have a good point?
let us hear your thinking
i'm sorry to inform you that the pessimism and negativity that define your life does not define mine. nor will it define simple human progress. but your words do have the effect of summarizing why your own life will be irrelevant
no there was always pessimism. the internet just makes shit that would go unspoken by useless people more often unheard
and i am better than people whose lives are nothing but pessimism, negativity, and denying progress in the world
welcome to the internet
pessimism is cheap and easy, and all around
1902 then
happy now asshole?
and i am shooting the messenger. as the message is pathetic
Intolerance of intolerance is not the same thing as intolerance itself.
If you oppose someone, for example, just because of the color of their skin, I am not the same as you when I oppose you for doing that. I have no problem with criticism of overreach of the PC police, but the PC police are nothing like the hatemongers they stand against.
So to talk about Germany, for example, standing against Nazism, because of German history, this is nothing like the religious intolerance Saudi Arabia demonstrates. It is really intellectually dishonest of you to about these two things as if they are the same. They are nothing alike. Germany is trying to keep a lid on hate. Saudi Arabia is actively engaging in hate.
Intolerance of intolerance is not the same thing as intolerance itself.
In 1912, the idea that more people would transport the globe in flying machines than in railroad trains and cruise ships would be laughed at and dismissed with the same words you just wrote.
Show some imagination and faith in mankind's scientific progress or shut the fuck up.
I have no problem with intelligent criticism. I have every problem with cheap easy pessimism. You are a dim useless bulb.
If you had no oil, your women would be going topless and your sons would listening to death metal. Because you'd have no power structure to impose your medieval thinking in the modern world. The only reason you can, is because we, in the part of the world that actually builds things and actually works and actually tries to build civil and fair societies, we need to pay you for your oil.
But we in the modern world are pretty sick of your backwards thinking, and someday we'll figure out how to get off our addiction to the stuff I guess Allah buried in your sand. When we do that, you can be pretty sure that there will be no more force left in your ability to impose your ridiculous absurd thinking about religion on anyone, most definitely including your own children and grand children. AND YOUR WAY OF THINKING WILL DISAPPEAR.
In short, I have every respect for Islam, but I have nothing but disrespect for your way of thinking of your religion. Fuck you you backwards ignorant tribal assholes. You don't stand for Islam. Any REAL Muslim with REAL CONFIDENCE in their religion would not care what some doubtful journalist tweets. Any cowardly, spineless, and completely without confidence person, who does not represent anything good about Islam, would get upset so easily.
When the world's reliance on your oil comes to an end, your society disappears into the sand in a heartbeat. Nothing props it up but oil. Certainly not the glory of Islam, because you don't represent the glory of Islam, you represent feeble cowardice, lack of confidence and frailty, masquerading as religious devotion. And you call that your faith? It's pretty sad that this Westerner has more knowledge of the DIGNITIY and NOBILITY of YOUR FAITH than you do, judging by the cowardly way you think your religion needs to be defended. Congratulations on making your religion a joke by your cowardice and lack of confidence.
The prophet was a man, you are frightened little children. You destroy your own religion.
every government that existed. every government that exists, and every government that ever will exist, will classify some speech as illegal. like child porn. for good reason
so first, get the fuck over the fact that some speech is illegal. grow up. the world is not a place where absolute adherence to any ideology is possible, including the ideology that all speech can or should be legal. to judge the world from this simpleton's point of view is to simply pick a logically impossible standard. making your judgment useless. it's pretty stupid to say "germany outlaws nazi speech. this is the same as china making all political speech illegal or saudi arabia making any religious speech illegal." NO. it is NOT the same thing
maybe some day you can actually begin to say something useful and intelligent by talking about what KINDS of speech are illegal, rather than picking this ridiculous easy and intellectual lazy point of view "all governments categorize some speech as illegal, so they are all the same." no they are NOT all the same, you halfwit. grow up and stuop being such a lazy fundamentalist. yes: you are a fundamentalist: you adhere ridiculously and absurdly to an idea that simply does not work in real life, just like a religious fundamentalist. you just happen to be a free speech fundamentalist. just as useless and dumb as any other sort of fundamentalist in this world
not if it leads to those with a lot of money to invest more in lift systems, and get us off this planet, so we have no need to rape it anymore. or to discover a new propulsion system as a side effect of the research that can change transportation, something that doesn't pollute the atmosphere or politically destabilize portions of the world
it's ok to have a conscience. it's not ok to have no imagination
(scratches head)
with the amount of business Steve sent to China, he should be an honorary member of the Chinese Communist Party