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Journalist Arrested For Tweet Deported to Saudi Arabia
New submitter cosmicaug writes with an update to yesterday's report that journalist Hamza Kashgari had been arrested by Malaysian police acting on a request conveyed from the Saudi government via Interpol. Now, says the BBC, "Police confirmed to the BBC that Hamza Kashgari was sent back to Saudi Arabia on Sunday despite protests from human rights groups. Mr Kashgari's controversial tweet last week sparked more than 30,000 responses and several death threats. Insulting the prophet is considered blasphemous in Islam and is punishable by death in Saudi Arabia. Mr Kashgari, 23, fled Saudi Arabia last week and was detained upon his arrival in the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur on Thursday." Writes cosmicaug: "Sadly, the most likely outcome is that they are going to execute this man for three tweets."
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As far as I know, most western countries have a policy that states "If a man will be executed upon being sent to a country, you are not allowed to send this man to the country, nor are you allowed to deport him to a country that may deport him to the country in question", or something similar. Disregard the lack of Lawyer shargon, but instead: Why was this rule not followed?
Separation of State and Church = good.
If you commit a crime, don't go to another country that also considers it a crime. If he had made it to Australia, he would have been ok. If he'd been spreading child porn in the US, a similar thing would have happened (although not executed, and who knows what kind of fair trial people get in SA).
Unless you have a way to show that one moral system is better than another, you can't say one country's laws and preferences are better than another.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
"Sadly, the most likely outcome is that they are going to execute this man for three tweets."
Why does Interpol even acknowledge this?!
What is even worse is that Interpol acknowledges blasphemy as a crime.
This may give the world the impression that religions have substance and may be respected.
That grant wishes get you every time.
Wont be long till it happens here in the USA.
Just a matter of time.
... of his citizenship send him to a country where apostasy isn't a crime?
Or would the number of tweets fom like minded citizens hoping to duplicate his fortune crash twitter's servers?
The US used to have the moral high ground to protest these sort of things. What a difference a decade makes.
can not they pardon his life?
JCPM: a blasphemer that didn't commit a blood crime and isn't an authority over peoples, why should he be punished to death?
With Islam, there is no such thing as moderate Islam.
In the UK hate preachers who advocate terrorism get taxpayer's benefits and even get to shop at Morrisons.
Right. Okay. Uhm. How do you deport a tweet? /smartass
If it was "George Hotz gets slapped by Kaz Hirai and cries" and the comment "That's it I'm never buying Sony again" you'd have modded him to +5 Insightful.
How much clearer does it need to be made to us, that our oil addiction is putting us in bed with some really, really objectionable regimes around the world?
Don't get me wrong, I'm no hippie on a bicycle, and I don't hate Muslims or their faith (at least, no more than I dislike Christians or Christianity) but when you've got nations involved in the whole "execution for apostasy" game, cut them off. Yes, geopolitics is hard, but we should never have let ourselves get put in a position where we'd support any regime like this.
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Everyone involved in this fiasco should resign immediately if not prosecuted. This is insanity. If this poor man is murdered for this, then I want to see Khoo Boon Hui and Ronald Noble's heads on pikes.
The pedophile?
Even the information age can't save us. Time for another set of religious dark ages: http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/timeline.png
It will be a good day at Hanging Rock when this very bad person has gone to his harrem in the sky !!
Just tell me where to buy the Mr. Fusion upgrade.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Islam is the Religion of Peace! George Bush and Barack Obama both said so!
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
No wonder they are all such fervent believers, they get killed if they aren't.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
Interpol's constitution states:
"in order to ensure the widest possible cooperation between the police authorities of its member States, it is strictly forbidden for organization to undertake any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character."
http://www.interpol.int/About-INTERPOL/Legal-materials/The-Constitution
How the hell did this get through Interpol's bureaucracy?
Values:
With such a diverse group of men and women, the organization's values play a particularly important role in maintaining a harmonious and effective working environment. The INTERPOL General Secretariat defines its values through the following qualities:
Respect for human rights
Integrity
Commitment to quality
Availability
Team spirit
Value for money
Accountability
Source: http://www.interpol.int/Recruitment [interpol.int]
Action is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries and in the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Source: http://www.interpol.int/About-INTERPOL/Overview [interpol.int]
INTERPOL will gladly help radical religious tyrants to enforce their religious intolerance all around the world.
Do I have that right?
Ironic that we are in the 2nd Decade of the 21st Century, and anyone with the potential to make waves in any way is instantly charged/extradited/executed/crucified/smeared publicly, no matter where they are. Examples: Man tweets relatively insignificant crap about Mohammed - extradited to KSA and charged with Apostasy/Death Penalty. Man/Peace Activist in 70s reveals Israel has Nkes/WMDs - gets instant life-in-prison in Israel. Man leaks government war/diplomacy documents on the web - Charged with raping 2 women in Sweden/extradition to U.S. and Life Sentence Wanted (some want him executed, too). Socialist/Lefty Man gets ready to challenge Sarkozy presidency in France - charged with sudden nude sex assault on chamber maid in Manhattan Hotel, arrested on way to NY Airport, supposedly prevented from "fleeing" to France. British Man hacks U.S. gov computers looking for "UFO and Free Energy Evidence" - spends 10 years in will-he-be-extradited-to-USA-or-not-? limbo. The cases may be different, but the point of the actions taken against each man is the same. Punish-Him-And-Make-An-Example-Of-Him. Whether the laws should actually work this way is anybody's guess...
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
fuck you islam
fuck you muhammed
and people say islam is a religion of peace.
"then again atheists aren't as likely to burn your house down" - Yhatzee
According to the 10 Commandments: "Thou shalt not kill" It's strange that society and religion can re-interpret this to their perspective instead of standing on the reality of the meaning. It also goes to show that, as a "monotheistic" religion, Islam puts Mohammed above all other humans - and even God; wherein lies the inherent problem. This is exactly how Islam creates enemies - of it's own volition - and creates fear throughout the non-muslim world. Very sad, very sad. I'm fairly certain that God would think of this (and all other religious executions) as being an insult to His Creation.
YankDownUnder Veni, Vidi, volo in domum redire
To follow up on my post above, I would like to thank /. for keeping anonymous option for posting. I have working relationship with many people of Islamic faith in Asia, I consider them all decent good people but my views may hit a nerve since it's about their religion and I rather not that happen over a simple post.
Man there's a heck of a lot of trolls commenting here.
Look, this is a problem of dictatorship, not of religion. The majority of the world's Muslims live in democracies and don't have such repressive laws. Muslims in America are aghast at such an unjust situation. Saudi is the backwards exception in the Muslim world. I'm a Muslim and I certainly don't support what's going on here.
http://www.economist.com/node/21547241
"BARACK OBAMA is a Christian whom millions of Americans insist on thinking of as a Muslim. Mitt Romney belongs to the Mormon church, which plenty of Americans consider a non-Christian cult. If ever there was an election campaign both main candidates had an interest in keeping religion out of, you might suppose that this was it. In politics, however, some opportunities are just too tempting to pass up. Whatever chance there once was for a religious non-aggression pact evaporated after one of Mr Obama’s recent decisions gave powerful new ammunition to those who accuse him of waging a “war on religion”."
Thank God for Obama!
"That said, it would be naive to expect such a compromise to stifle all Republican complaints. Well before this battle, Texas’s governor, Rick Perry, was wailing about gays serving openly in the armed forces and children not being allowed to celebrate Christmas in school. These he blamed on “Obama’s war on religion”. Newt Gingrich has been denouncing the president’s “secular-socialist machine” for more than a year. Yet Mr Gingrich’s own views on church and state are astonishing. He says he wants a government that “respects our religion”. Yes, you read that right: not religion (the former House speaker is “tired” of respecting “every religion on the planet”) but “our” religion. It is baffling that a serious candidate for president can have misunderstood the letter and spirit of the first amendment quite so thoroughly."
To me it comes as no surprise that GOP people like the Bush family didn't acknowledge the terror exerted by Saudi Arabia. Here is a link to an interesting article "Did the Saudis buy a president? How much money has flowed from the House of Saud to the Bush family and its friends and allies over the years? No one will ever know -- but the number is at least $1.477 billion." http://www.salon.com/2004/03/12/unger_2/
Just tell me where to buy the Mr. Fusion upgrade.
What is trying to be done is to develop alternative or "green" energy. Unfortunately with the rancorous political dialog here in the US, it's being dragged down.
I firmly believe that the only way for us in the US to fully develop other energy sources is for government involvement. I agree, it's not the best solution but US business is too short sighted to pursue that avenue on its own - and part of their short shortsightedness is from Wall Street pressure - got to have immediate returns, after all.
In the meantime, all of the cutting edge alternative energy developments are being done in Europe and in China.
I find that quite damning of our political and business environment.
So, those Saudi assholes are going to keep doing their shit for a very long time - no thanks to us, the US.
Actually, they are going to execute him for touching off a riot, something he had no way of knowing he'd do.
If there would have been no public reation to his tweets, he wouldn't be in this predicament.
I'm ready to argue that it's an even more heinous violation of free speech than executing him for the tweets.
If I thought it'd work, I'd militate for Canada to pull out of Interpol right now.
they should take saudi arabia (the home of all terrorists) to UN. they are the most hypocrytical system ever existed. they fund terrorists all over the planet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
This is just one set of folks in power, exercising that power repressively. Await the swing of the pendulum. It comes.
This is all bullshit.
The US ought to give the Saudis 24 hours to stand down or
drop neutron bombs on the whole fucking country.
On your birthday I find you in front of me wherever I go,I love many things about you and hate others, and there are many thinga about you I don't understand."
"On your birthday I won't bow in front of you, I won't kiss your hand instead I will shake it as an equal, I will smile at you and you will smile back and I will talk to you as a friend."
"All the great gods that we worship, all the great fears that we dread, all the desires that we wait for impatiently are but figments of our imagination."
"No Saudi women will go to hell, because it's impossible to go there twice."
And many islamic gentiles wanted to kill the messenger for improving their religious convictions that were trained. Period.
In Soviet land, prophets judge you! is Malaysia soviet?
No Soviet prophet exists now in Malaysia for judging you!.
Malaysians could prosecute Arabians for their commited blood acts against their patriot.
JCPM: i maybe a Godsent, and i could have the Almighty power for ordering to our gentiles to prove our prosperity.
There's a tendency to think that the US is above all this -- that Bertrand Russell's famous saying ("Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.") refers not to the future, but to the past, and that we have all somehow become enlightened, that we've matured out of these primitive superstitions along with the violence, hatred, prejudice, bigotry, slavery, and ignorance that they support.
But we haven't. Let me suggest the following thought experiment to you: write on a large piece of posterboard "I skullfucked Mary and shit on Jesus' face." Now go stand with that poster on a streetcorner in Topeka, Kansas at 9 AM on Monday morning. Do you think you'll survive the day?
Of course these are purely mythical creatures, no more real than Arthur Dent or Allah or Harry Potter or Zeus or Loki or any other fiction. But, amazing, there are people on this planet -- including in Topeka, Kansas, in the heart of the United States -- who will attack and kill you for that sign.
Some will point out that at least this isn't codified into law: that is, that such attacks are extralegal. My response to that is (a) not yet, they aren't, although if you're paying any attention to contemporary American politics you know full well that there are numerous attempts underway to make Christianity the state religion and (b) it's not clear to me why, when you're lying in the street bleeding and dying, the lack of statutory authority will matter to you.
When we in the United States have progressed beyond this -- when we no longer live in a society where atheists are considered as trustworthy as rapists -- then perhaps we can claim some measure of the moral high ground here.
Okay, I'm being an irresponsible arse here, but maybe - just maybe - those other muslims around the world, you know, the "moderates", should think about distancing themselves from the barbaric ones. If your frail mind cannot live on without religion, then at least splinter off into something that does not carry the weight of homicidally intolerant pre-civilized cultures.
Yeah, I'm an atheist, but I can respect freedom of faith. I just don't respect the use of that faith as an excuse to murder your fellow man in cold blood. I've known my share of muslims over here, and while they seemed a bit stuck-up against my amoral libertarian lifestyle, they did not express any desire to harm me for sharing my tales of rock-star antics. I would dare say they had a more progressive outlook on humanity than most of the purebred white folk I grew up with. Sure, there was this one guy who pulled a gun on me because I said he looked hot... but he went right the fuck back to Lebanon a week later.
What I'm saying is: faith is just faith, a belief system that breaks your fall when life knocks you down. The problem with the middle east is not Islam, the problem is their intolerant backwoods inbred leaders twisting that faith into a weapon of self genocide. Get rid of those charismatic leaders and the problem will resolve itself.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
Anyone got a direct link to the tweet !! Whatever he had to say, it certainly deserves to be read be shouted from the roof tops across the world, to stick it in the face of whoever things they can suppress the right to freedom of speech because of some irrational belief system they happen to hold!
Well, a strange name they got for Khorne though. What is it again, "Allah"? Anyway, god needs more killings.
Islam is the religion of love!
I just get your cellphone when you are not looking in Saudi Arabia and insult the prophet!
Now that is a modern, well educated, socially forward thinking type of government...yeah!
The wise man flees before he tweets.
404, NOT FOUND PROPHET <-- it's the kind of islamic judgement that appointed the fuzzyied meaning of the "prophet", unexistant proof in the actuality.
Put another prophet more, and better than these primitive ones, because he can be living among us of this age, simply it.
Then many fundamentalist religion-addicted peoples hate and refuse this new change.
Then, they should go to the psychiatric centers for trying to cure their mental illnesses provoked by their religions's ires.
It's the thing that could happen, overall, the radical islamists could fear themselves the coming of a new prophet, the next generation to their always known prophet ~15 centuries ago.
A clusterfuck of trained candidates for becoming the supreme prophet could be on the way, if it's believed to be artificially created inside of the laboratories, not?. Or is it only a sci-fi?.
Among every prophets, they must prove along the Earth history, the best according to the accomplishment of their prophecies.
Without real prophecies, the real prophets don't exist.
Without real prophets, the real prophecies don't exist.
And there's an important rule, the violence between prophets is not permited for reclaiming the best of the prophetic acts.
Each prophet should prove itself their prophetic proofs, their facts. And a prophet can't accuse/judge to another prophet for the comparison of their competences, only our Almighty Lord can judge them the valorations.
If you're radical islamist then you could be ignoring how is evil your COMMANDMENT HUMAN EXECUTOR that is more devil-related than God-related.
It's an ERROR that the humans are claiming the deity rules when these same rules are simply invented by humans, and sometimes for evil intentions among us. A don't like these wargames using the deity as a business or advantage in aftermath.
JCPM: now, i'm in the apocalypse's age of the fightings of the prophets for the Almighty love. The final solution: to abandon the property of relating the prophecies and the lives of the beings on the Earth, and the property of relating the prophets and the lives of the beings on the Earth, Amen.
Another petition for Hamza Kashgari. This one for getting the US State Department to put pressure on Saudi Arabia. I suspect any such pressure would be useless:
http://www.change.org/petitions/us-state-department-save-hamza-kashgari
We buy our oil from Singapore which is about $0.20 dearer then WTI or Brent crude.
/Smug mode.
Now not buying oil from them wont make them stop acting like idiots, they'll just be poor idiots. Even that is unlikely as they aren't going to run out of customers for their oil any time soon. But yes, the US should pull support from the Saudi's for many more reasons then this, that means pulling US forces out of Saudi bases (even the logistic bases) and stop selling them weapons.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
This same story has been submitted recently to reddit's /r/worldnews queue, and it doesn't show up now because apparently it was recently censored by the moderators. The story has lots of upvotes and comments.
You can still see the actual story by using its direct link.
It's a shame reddit's /r/worldnews moderators have to resort to censorship.
Someone in jail for making threats.
Stop buying oil from these dips hits
In the U.S., we wanted to put in a big pipeline from Canada. That way we could get ethically "clean" oil for less money, and also monitor environmental impact more closely.
We also could have had a lot of jobs...
Instead, the Democrats decided it would be far superior to keep shipping oil from people who execute journalists for tweets. Now we can't examine the environment around the oil rigs, risk loss of oil at sea, and continue to pay more to to fund the killing of people who simply speak out against a given religion.
Remember in November. Do you want ethically and environmentally cleaner oil, or do you want Democrats.
I'm not even saying what other party to vote for mind you; any will suffice (I'd recommend Libertarian when possible and/or practical).
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
... then they would forge postings defaming Mohammed from all the nutcases who have called for this guy's punishment. Let's see how quickly things would change.
Here are the original tweets:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/malaysia-returns-insulting-saudi-journalist
I think I found my new t-shirt text today.
(What do you think? Do I get arrested indefinitely at the airport if I wear that?)
Hes going to die for thinking different. Why? because he lives in an Islam country.
Now lets see what happens in USA: What if i start predicating communism or dictatorism, and sharing those ideas? i could get a free pass all inclusive in Guantanamo resort for a life time (not much different from death from what i see).
What if i started sharing some "files" a.k.a. songs? Again, can be put in jail, and all for the good of some already rich organizations that want to be even more rich.
Before you start criticizing another culture or ideas, check yourself, may be you are not doing it that good neither.
Stop giving religion a free pass in the name of "tolerance". Whether it's Catholics demanding the right to deny women basic healthcare (how long until Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to cover any procedure requiring a blood tranfusion--scratch pretty much all life-saving surgery), Jews demanding a genetic right to colonize neighboring territories, or Muslims demanding the right to murder anyone who wakes up and smells the bullshit of their religion, or who draws cartoons they don't like, or otherwise criticizes their moronic beliefs, JUST SAY NO.
Religion should only receive as much tolerance as it gives, no less, no more. And right now, the 3 Abrahamic religions haven't earned a whole lot of tolerance.
Mr. Reese, I have a job for you. His name is Hamza Kashgari...
Because prosecution of thought crimes requires thoughtless order following.
My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
Stop them from using Interpol, they'll stop reciprocating, creating two (more) places where you can go kick back if you're wanted by Interpol, and know you'll be safe from the fear of prosecution.
Salem witch process. Other witch execution. It can hardly be seen as non-religious "you shall suffer no witch".
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
I think we should tolerate Islam, which is, most of the time, a peaceful and loveable religion.
If them Muslims decide that it's illegal to say that Mehmet or whatever they call that bastard was a normal guy (which he wasn't), I mean, it's their mistake, not ours, no?
18 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
The islam-bashing is completely justified. Every muslim country in the world, to varying degrees, ill-treats its non-muslim minorities, has penalities for women who get raped, major sentencing for apostasy from islam, and so on. Saudi Arabia is among the most visible, but in other countries, in Egypt, they persecute Copts, in Iraq, all Christians have fled once it became 'democratic', in Pakistan, persecution of Christians and Hindus is at an all time high, as in Malaysia, where dead Hindus or Christians are posthumously declared converted. The few Jews left in Tunisia are now considering fleeing, and Maldives just has a new Islamic regime.
If you want to judge this population wise, take Indonesia, Pakistan and Bangladesh. In Indonesia, persecution of Christians and Ahmadiyas is on in full swing, and the government in Jakarta has gone so far as to accept Sharia in Aceh. In Pakistan, as I noted above, persecution of Christians and Hindus are at their maximum, national support for Osama remains high (make that 200 million out of your 1.5 billion right there) and even in Bangladesh, Hindus have by & large fled that country.
The only muslim countries that can be considered benign - for now - are the ex-Soviet stans, but even there, there is a campaign to islamize them, as well as China's Xinxiang province, and recreate a Timuride era Turkestan that would be another oil rich (from Turkmenistan & Kazakhstan) empire that would vie with the GCC for the Emir ul Momineen title.
Another reason I'll probably never leave the borders of the USA. At least (for now) we still have freedom of speech. Now, with our muslim president, I guess if someone over here insulted their "god" he would probably round them up & ship them off to Iran to be hung. You can insult just about any religion in the USA you want, but, if you insult islam, OFF WITH YOUR HEAD LOL.
It's the women slavery in the hell, as he had been adventured there, no woman had been seen entering or exiting from the hell, only men can since that he adventured there.
On the way of the truth, basing in the quantity and quality of each one of the points of the prophecies of this primitive prophet, was he a real prophet or not?
JCPM: i'm a supertroll, and i think that a clusterfuck of prophets is required for a better, BETTER, BBEETTTTEERR demonstration.
In a meeting from face to face, Hamza Kashgari is http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02136/_The-Saudi-writer-_2136051b.jpg, a good young person.
Matthew 18:4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
(in spanish: Mateo 18:4 Así que, cualquiera que se humille como este niño, ése es el mayor en el reino de los cielos.)
Undear radical islamists, why do you want to kill him as if he is your brother, or your son, or your daddy? Allah forbides you to commit a blooody act! What disgrace! He has the same blood as from yours and from the grand father Abraham!.
- - - - -
And each person can question itself: can i be a PROPHET?.
Is there any "How to be a prophet manual for dummies"?.
Then, there are comprensions of the distinction between the real world and the world of imaginations.
JCPM: i'm not afraid of to be a follower of him, i'm not commiting any sin if i do it.
Malaysia = 19 is better ranked than USA = 82 in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
Casteism
Dear Hamza Kashgari condemned to the death execution for their 3 electronic lollipops,
I'll try to save you. "I'm more blasphemer than you and the Saudi Arabia's Justice WON'T work!.
And i'll want to be the 1st to be executed before than you! A margin is for your life, yes!. It's the thing that i'll try for avoiding the your coming unuseless death execution.
JCPM: my greatest blasphemy against Mohammed is that their assholed manuscripts are NOT "deity's papers", and i'm praising to my God that's not from Mohammed, and DON'T ACCUSE me of the INFIDELITY because i'm fidel to the innocent Hamza Kashgari.
Sounds like ancient times mixed with technology. These Saudi fucks must take pride in being cavemen.
Let's face it. Living in one of the most oppressive Islamic countries, he decides to post his heretical opinion on a public website. Having done that, he chose to flee to ANOTHER Sharia loving state. WTF was he thinking? What did he expect would happen?
And if his death sentence is carried out, what will it have achieved for him, or for the cause of free speech in Saudi Arabia?
Either keep your head down and don't post inflammatory content in a country where the price you pay is your life, or cover your tracks online, or run like hell to a friendlier country BEFORE you express your opinion!
"..One hosts to look them up, one DNS to find them, and in the darkness BIND them."