so a random asshole sends anthrax at a time of tension for whatever random insane reason. perhaps it is exactly for the reasons you think the letters were sent as you write above
ok
now you and i both agree that warhawks intent on war is insane and fringe
ok
but this is where we differ: it is impossible for this random asshole not to be a warhawk on his very own? that's what i would think. but no: in your mind it is more likely that a dark sinister cabal controlled his actions?
what?
why couldn't these actions be for all of the asshole warhawk reasons both you and i despise, but done all on the initiative of one random warhawk asshole? warhawk beliefs only emanate from dick cheney's secret lair? warhawk beliefs are never arrived at through individual initiative? all warhawk assholes are under the guidance and dominance of the super duper top secret dick cheney batcave?
you want to tell me that individual warhawk asshole initiative is LESS LIKELY than a dark secret cabal working sinisterly in the background like some goddamn steven seagal movie
cuts through paranoid schizophrenic drivel like you just wrote above like a hot knife through dick cheney's belly button lint
do you know why people believe in ufos? why they believe in angels? why they believe in demons, monsters, bogeymen?
because the world is full of uncertainty, and the unknown. the unknown is terrifying. people need a security blanket, they need answers to the unknown
so they invent them. to assuage their terror, people invent narratives in their minds, invisible secret characters that do and say awful things in the world
for some people, this is dracula, for some people this is mephistopheles, and for some people, this is agent smith: the g-man in a suit with dark shades and an earpiece. doing sinister secret things that make Bad Things (tm) happen in their world, to keep the Secret Cabal (tm) in power
but please, you should ignore me. i'm obviously a fooled stupid sheeple, one who does not see the terrifying Super Secret Truth (tm) that you and you alone have figured out all by yourself! obviously, i swallow the lies of the gubmint to fool the simple stupid sheeple. or even worse, i could be one of Them (tm)!
or, better said than me:
If the gummint is responsible for all the evil in the world, and I have the special insight to see that, than everything is understandable. My special insight explains everything, and is more comforting than not knowing why some things happen. Uncertainty is terrifying.
your words are an excellent stereotype of exactly what i am talking about
you are either a troll supreme or a genuine paranoid schizophrenic
ok, i'll bite:
that there are war causing assholes is undisputed. that this somehow means that there are no random assholes intent on terrorism, but only dark manipulations by dark lord cheney, this is what i find so incredible. logic meets fantasy and logic goes POOF in your mind and all that remains is a steven seagal movie plot. and you BELIEVE it! its like talking to a creationist
dude, i'm outright sarcastically making fun of you. there is no respect from me to your paranoia
do you know why people believe in ufos? why they believe in angels? why they believe in demons, monsters, bogeymen?
because the world is full of uncertainty, and the unknown. the unknown is terrifying. people need a security blanket, they need answers to the unknown
so they invent them. to assuage their terror, people invent narratives in their minds, invisible secret characters that do and say awful things in the world
for some people, this is dracula, for some people this is mephistopheles, and for some people, this is agent smith: the g-man in a suit with dark shades and an earpiece. doing sinister secret things that make Bad Things (tm) happen in their world, to keep the Secret Cabal (tm) in power
but please, you should ignore me. i'm obviously a fooled stupid sheeple, one who does not see the terrifying Super Secret Truth (tm), and swallows the lies of the gubmint to fool the simple stupid sheeple. or even worse, i could be one of Them (tm)!
or, better said than me:
If the gummint is responsible for all the evil in the world, and I have the special insight to see that, than everything is understandable. My special insight explains everything, and is more comforting than not knowing why some things happen. Uncertainty is terrifying.
i hate gw bush and his policies, and have said so about 1,000 times
it might be convenient to heap everyone you disagree with into one giant stereotype of all you consider evil, but in the real world, different people actually have different beliefs and motivations, and you actually have to pay attention to what they actually say. because you didn't respond to me. you put a post under my comment attacking some deranged bogeyman i bear no resemblence too. poor social skills dude
to question whether or not the real world functions like the plot of a steven seagal movie is of course heresy on my part, please forgive me
i'll up my drugs until my iq and my paranoia are sufficient enough to understand reality as you see it, sorry about my shortcomings
i mean who am i question whether or not random low iq posters with conspiracy fantasies have or have not figured out the top secret cabal at work manipulating all media? the armchair intelligence community to the rescue!
please, ignore me, i'm obviously an agent of the illuminati, come to a minor thread on slashdot to cast aspersions on your vast cunning intellect and cutting observations about the secret Truth (tm). you will excuse me, my dark lord Cheney is summoning me to change his diapers...
people who think real life resembles a b-grade hollywood movie plot. if they were comparing this to a bad hollywood movie plot and laughing, i would certainly lighten up and laugh along. in fact, some do make this joke, and i do laugh:
but now read some of the posts here. look for a humours tone. none. you are talking about posters here, go ahead, read some posts, who *actually* believe the government killed this guy and made it look like a suicide. AND they spread the anthrax in the first place. AND they did 9/11. its all masterminded by the top secret cabal you see
there are actual low iq fools, posters in this thread, go ahead, read, who really firmly and honestly believe these things. go ahead, read some posts here, MODDED UP as interesting and informative no less. it is of course a joke. but the really crazy joke are those who take conspiratorial fantasies seriously. and its not a fringe parnaoid schizophrenic few, this cretinous stupidity is mainstream
i mean, creationism is pretty hilarious too, when you think about it. flying spaghetti monster and all that... if creationism weren't taken so seriously by so many fools that they actually warp our education system. the same goes for people who's opinion of government comes from the plot of steven seagal movies. same stupidity, taken very seriously, by enough fools, and you have something that's not funny anymore, but something to seriously denounce as unhealthy for society
i'll say it again:
healthy distrust of your government is normal and helpful to the functioning of a vibrant society
however, rabid, paranoid schizophrenic musings on all evil in the world falling at the government's doorstep is not anywhere near the definition of "healthy distrust". more like pathological hobbling distrust
will be a lot of negative comments about the government. none of which address the crime of someone who put anthrax in the public mail, killing people. regardless of whether or not the guy who just committed suicide did those crimes. finding and prosecuting the guy who did that is job #1, right?
oh right, sorry... the government did the anthrax mailings. right after they did 9/11
(rolls eyes)
folks: healthy distrust of your government is normal and helpful to the functioning of a virbant society
however, rabid, paranoid schizophrenic musings on all evil in the world falling at the government's doorstep is not anywhere near the definition of "healthy distrust". more like pathological hobbling distrust
"The trolls employed what the M.I.T. professor Judith Donath calls a pseudo-naïve tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. The game was to find out who would see through this stereotypical newbie behavior, and who would fall for it."
what is the point of the article? could someone explain it to me why people are interested in this? is trolling really that important?
i mean its bad enough that people troll, but now people have to talk about the trolling in the new york times? what's wrong with people that they have to keep talking about this?
i just wish someone would "lay down the law" and firmly say that trolling is wrong and not healthy for the internet. and just leave it at that. and certainly don't feed them by making them the cause celebre of the moment. but look at you! but you come in here and you talk all about them. you are feeding them. don't you see?
could someone please tell me why this subject matter has even the faintest bit of interest? i'm trying really hard to wrap my head around this subject matter, but i can't seem to figure out why people would want to talk about this!
of course there will always be morons who take meth. that doesn't mean fighting meth hasn't had an impact
if there is a better way to fight something like meth rather than illegalization, i'm all ears, i'm interested. but most schemes for fighting something like meth that normalization are rather fruity pie in the sky schemes that obviously would fail in the real world
illegalization of something meth ar eimperfect, but no approach is perfect in fighting evil drugs. or do you believe something meth is a perfectly fine drug that should be legal, like a nice glass of wine? (!?)
whatever was said, if it resembles the latter rather than the former, then there is nothing wrong with what the women did, and the trolls should be found, prosecuted, disbarred, etc.
that the case got this far, it is probably the latter. because if what was said resembles the former, they would have never have been able to get this far legally
1. the government anti-child porn crusade did not kill usenet. alt.binaries bloat, child porn included, killed usenet
2. if the government is more precise in what they shut down (ie, if they shut down just alt.binaries), then the effect will be counterintuitive: usenet can experience a rebirth
it wouldn't be that hard to remove all encoded material from usenet. just set up a simple rule and restrict by size. once you do that, and usenet becomes text only again, usenet can be reborn to satisfy what made it so great in the first place. its social networking lite
citizens with cameras is completely government than a government with cameras. really
as for busybodies objecting to you jaywalking or peeing off a boat reporting you to the cops... this is something that didn't occur before cell phone cameras? busy bodies will always intrude upon your life, in any time period, in any society, for all history and all time to come. busy bodies are like toe jam. objectionable, but inevitable. you need to learn to cope
citizens with cameras is an idea that destroys the outdated orwellian dystopian fantasy so many posit as their philosophical starting point when evaluating trends in the modern world
"big brother" as a viable concept is dead. "1984" is pure fiction. it will never come to pass. the citizens merely use the government's own tactics and technology against them
when you begin to address privacy and security at the protocol and architecture level, you also begin to enable governmental control
one of the biggest philosophical issues that people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as centralized privacy, or government-enforced privacy. you constantly see stories on slashdot bemoaning government's inability to protect your privacy. its completely absurd. the only one who can protect your privacy is you
it is an utter oxymoronic, paradoxical way of thinking to believe government policies and privacy can coexist in the same thought process. people constantly inveigh the government to do more about privacy. no. you don't want to involve the government in privacy, in any way. if you want privacy and security, YOU need to take steps to make that work, on your own. to involve a large controlling entity to do that... what? can we say not getting the concept?
any system built to ensure "privacy" is essentially a command and control system... that can snoop on anything it wants
the same with security
it is GOOD the internet as it is has no internal safeguards for privacy and security. it means it is controlled by no one. get the point?
the riaa and beijing should fund this GENI project
challenge google on its data retention and privacy policies and atttitude in foreign countries by contrasting sharply with them
go zero retention, max privacy, and tell beijing "fuck you" on its authoritarian dictates
in the meantime, with google's court efforts saying we don't really have privacy, and saying "i bend over" to beijing, the rewards you reap will be spectacular:
1. you will earn tons of free advertising and pr in the press 2. all us zealots here at slashdot will switch allegiance to you 3. the average joe will gradually realize the issues and the benefits
then we will all do the unthinkable: we will slay google
in the mid-1990s the antiretrovirals that revolutionized survival rates with HIV were invented/ discovered in the west. but india came along and simply said "look, we're going to make these antiretrovirals in india and pay the discoverers in the west nothing, as we are treating poor people with them". and their decision has pretty much stood the test of time internationally (and stood the test of ethics of course)
however, the lack of moral equivalency of HIV drugs versus board games might not be so instructive as to establishing precedence i suppose
Slashdot Mirror
look it up
apply it to your questions
so a random asshole sends anthrax at a time of tension for whatever random insane reason. perhaps it is exactly for the reasons you think the letters were sent as you write above
ok
now you and i both agree that warhawks intent on war is insane and fringe
ok
but this is where we differ: it is impossible for this random asshole not to be a warhawk on his very own? that's what i would think. but no: in your mind it is more likely that a dark sinister cabal controlled his actions?
what?
why couldn't these actions be for all of the asshole warhawk reasons both you and i despise, but done all on the initiative of one random warhawk asshole? warhawk beliefs only emanate from dick cheney's secret lair? warhawk beliefs are never arrived at through individual initiative? all warhawk assholes are under the guidance and dominance of the super duper top secret dick cheney batcave?
you want to tell me that individual warhawk asshole initiative is LESS LIKELY than a dark secret cabal working sinisterly in the background like some goddamn steven seagal movie
you really believe that?
occam's razor
look it up
cuts through paranoid schizophrenic drivel like you just wrote above like a hot knife through dick cheney's belly button lint
do you know why people believe in ufos? why they believe in angels? why they believe in demons, monsters, bogeymen?
because the world is full of uncertainty, and the unknown. the unknown is terrifying. people need a security blanket, they need answers to the unknown
so they invent them. to assuage their terror, people invent narratives in their minds, invisible secret characters that do and say awful things in the world
for some people, this is dracula, for some people this is mephistopheles, and for some people, this is agent smith: the g-man in a suit with dark shades and an earpiece. doing sinister secret things that make Bad Things (tm) happen in their world, to keep the Secret Cabal (tm) in power
but please, you should ignore me. i'm obviously a fooled stupid sheeple, one who does not see the terrifying Super Secret Truth (tm) that you and you alone have figured out all by yourself! obviously, i swallow the lies of the gubmint to fool the simple stupid sheeple. or even worse, i could be one of Them (tm)!
or, better said than me:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=633193&cid=24438091
Wow, Wow, Wow
your words are an excellent stereotype of exactly what i am talking about
you are either a troll supreme or a genuine paranoid schizophrenic
ok, i'll bite:
that there are war causing assholes is undisputed. that this somehow means that there are no random assholes intent on terrorism, but only dark manipulations by dark lord cheney, this is what i find so incredible. logic meets fantasy and logic goes POOF in your mind and all that remains is a steven seagal movie plot. and you BELIEVE it! its like talking to a creationist
that there are lying sacks of shit in the government who manipulate fear for political gain: true
therefore, terrorism is not actually real: wtf?
BEEP BEEP BEEP
dude, i'm outright sarcastically making fun of you. there is no respect from me to your paranoia
do you know why people believe in ufos? why they believe in angels? why they believe in demons, monsters, bogeymen?
because the world is full of uncertainty, and the unknown. the unknown is terrifying. people need a security blanket, they need answers to the unknown
so they invent them. to assuage their terror, people invent narratives in their minds, invisible secret characters that do and say awful things in the world
for some people, this is dracula, for some people this is mephistopheles, and for some people, this is agent smith: the g-man in a suit with dark shades and an earpiece. doing sinister secret things that make Bad Things (tm) happen in their world, to keep the Secret Cabal (tm) in power
but please, you should ignore me. i'm obviously a fooled stupid sheeple, one who does not see the terrifying Super Secret Truth (tm), and swallows the lies of the gubmint to fool the simple stupid sheeple. or even worse, i could be one of Them (tm)!
or, better said than me:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=633193&cid=24438091
"a rabid supporter of Bush policies and doctrine"
i hate gw bush and his policies, and have said so about 1,000 times
it might be convenient to heap everyone you disagree with into one giant stereotype of all you consider evil, but in the real world, different people actually have different beliefs and motivations, and you actually have to pay attention to what they actually say. because you didn't respond to me. you put a post under my comment attacking some deranged bogeyman i bear no resemblence too. poor social skills dude
Change this?... Friend... Yup, I'm positive ;-)
to question whether or not the real world functions like the plot of a steven seagal movie is of course heresy on my part, please forgive me
i'll up my drugs until my iq and my paranoia are sufficient enough to understand reality as you see it, sorry about my shortcomings
i mean who am i question whether or not random low iq posters with conspiracy fantasies have or have not figured out the top secret cabal at work manipulating all media? the armchair intelligence community to the rescue!
please, ignore me, i'm obviously an agent of the illuminati, come to a minor thread on slashdot to cast aspersions on your vast cunning intellect and cutting observations about the secret Truth (tm). you will excuse me, my dark lord Cheney is summoning me to change his diapers...
people who think real life resembles a b-grade hollywood movie plot. if they were comparing this to a bad hollywood movie plot and laughing, i would certainly lighten up and laugh along. in fact, some do make this joke, and i do laugh:
Antisocial scientist behind Anthrax attacks commits suicide before I Am The Law closes in on his Madhouse to Bring The Noise; no word if he was Armed & Dangerous
now that's funny! ;-)
but now read some of the posts here. look for a humours tone. none. you are talking about posters here, go ahead, read some posts, who *actually* believe the government killed this guy and made it look like a suicide. AND they spread the anthrax in the first place. AND they did 9/11. its all masterminded by the top secret cabal you see
there are actual low iq fools, posters in this thread, go ahead, read, who really firmly and honestly believe these things. go ahead, read some posts here, MODDED UP as interesting and informative no less. it is of course a joke. but the really crazy joke are those who take conspiratorial fantasies seriously. and its not a fringe parnaoid schizophrenic few, this cretinous stupidity is mainstream
i mean, creationism is pretty hilarious too, when you think about it. flying spaghetti monster and all that... if creationism weren't taken so seriously by so many fools that they actually warp our education system. the same goes for people who's opinion of government comes from the plot of steven seagal movies. same stupidity, taken very seriously, by enough fools, and you have something that's not funny anymore, but something to seriously denounce as unhealthy for society
i'll say it again:
healthy distrust of your government is normal and helpful to the functioning of a vibrant society
however, rabid, paranoid schizophrenic musings on all evil in the world falling at the government's doorstep is not anywhere near the definition of "healthy distrust". more like pathological hobbling distrust
will be a lot of negative comments about the government. none of which address the crime of someone who put anthrax in the public mail, killing people. regardless of whether or not the guy who just committed suicide did those crimes. finding and prosecuting the guy who did that is job #1, right?
oh right, sorry... the government did the anthrax mailings. right after they did 9/11
(rolls eyes)
folks: healthy distrust of your government is normal and helpful to the functioning of a virbant society
however, rabid, paranoid schizophrenic musings on all evil in the world falling at the government's doorstep is not anywhere near the definition of "healthy distrust". more like pathological hobbling distrust
"The trolls employed what the M.I.T. professor Judith Donath calls a pseudo-naïve tactic, asking stupid questions and seeing who would rise to the bait. The game was to find out who would see through this stereotypical newbie behavior, and who would fall for it."
now read my post again ;-)
what is the point of the article? could someone explain it to me why people are interested in this? is trolling really that important?
i mean its bad enough that people troll, but now people have to talk about the trolling in the new york times? what's wrong with people that they have to keep talking about this?
i just wish someone would "lay down the law" and firmly say that trolling is wrong and not healthy for the internet. and just leave it at that. and certainly don't feed them by making them the cause celebre of the moment. but look at you! but you come in here and you talk all about them. you are feeding them. don't you see?
could someone please tell me why this subject matter has even the faintest bit of interest? i'm trying really hard to wrap my head around this subject matter, but i can't seem to figure out why people would want to talk about this!
you can link to a news story on the internet
if you can't, you made it all up
but something like meth should be illegal forever
of course there will always be morons who take meth. that doesn't mean fighting meth hasn't had an impact
if there is a better way to fight something like meth rather than illegalization, i'm all ears, i'm interested. but most schemes for fighting something like meth that normalization are rather fruity pie in the sky schemes that obviously would fail in the real world
illegalization of something meth ar eimperfect, but no approach is perfect in fighting evil drugs. or do you believe something meth is a perfectly fine drug that should be legal, like a nice glass of wine? (!?)
"you're an evil bitch and i hate you"
perfectly legal
"there's a fire in this theatre! (snicker)"
not legal
whatever was said, if it resembles the latter rather than the former, then there is nothing wrong with what the women did, and the trolls should be found, prosecuted, disbarred, etc.
that the case got this far, it is probably the latter. because if what was said resembles the former, they would have never have been able to get this far legally
but you can't get it because the system is broken
ok
well little brother is the tool with which you use to fix the broken system
"Big Brother, Little Brother... It doesn't matter if you can't get justice anyway"
yes, it does fucking matter, there is a huge fucking difference, and you can get justice
if you want to talk that nebulously, everything is the same, nothing is different, and you have no point
1. the government anti-child porn crusade did not kill usenet. alt.binaries bloat, child porn included, killed usenet
2. if the government is more precise in what they shut down (ie, if they shut down just alt.binaries), then the effect will be counterintuitive: usenet can experience a rebirth
it wouldn't be that hard to remove all encoded material from usenet. just set up a simple rule and restrict by size. once you do that, and usenet becomes text only again, usenet can be reborn to satisfy what made it so great in the first place. its social networking lite
citizens with cameras is completely government than a government with cameras. really
as for busybodies objecting to you jaywalking or peeing off a boat reporting you to the cops... this is something that didn't occur before cell phone cameras? busy bodies will always intrude upon your life, in any time period, in any society, for all history and all time to come. busy bodies are like toe jam. objectionable, but inevitable. you need to learn to cope
citizens with cameras is an idea that destroys the outdated orwellian dystopian fantasy so many posit as their philosophical starting point when evaluating trends in the modern world
"big brother" as a viable concept is dead. "1984" is pure fiction. it will never come to pass. the citizens merely use the government's own tactics and technology against them
long live "little brother"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King
when you begin to address privacy and security at the protocol and architecture level, you also begin to enable governmental control
one of the biggest philosophical issues that people don't seem to understand is that there is no such thing as centralized privacy, or government-enforced privacy. you constantly see stories on slashdot bemoaning government's inability to protect your privacy. its completely absurd. the only one who can protect your privacy is you
it is an utter oxymoronic, paradoxical way of thinking to believe government policies and privacy can coexist in the same thought process. people constantly inveigh the government to do more about privacy. no. you don't want to involve the government in privacy, in any way. if you want privacy and security, YOU need to take steps to make that work, on your own. to involve a large controlling entity to do that... what? can we say not getting the concept?
any system built to ensure "privacy" is essentially a command and control system... that can snoop on anything it wants
the same with security
it is GOOD the internet as it is has no internal safeguards for privacy and security. it means it is controlled by no one. get the point?
the riaa and beijing should fund this GENI project
this is slashdot
google is still a darling usurper and microsoft is evil, and these attitudes are fixed and unchanging
it's not 2002 anymore darling, maybe you should update your opinion on google
people are happy to pillory microsoft for attitudes plenty of other companies have, because microsoft is the 800 pound gorilla in the room
guess what? 2,000 other companies can have privacy atittudes 800 times worse than google, doesn't fucking matter. why?
because google is the 800 pound gorilla, so we target them
get it?
challenge google on its data retention and privacy policies and atttitude in foreign countries by contrasting sharply with them
go zero retention, max privacy, and tell beijing "fuck you" on its authoritarian dictates
in the meantime, with google's court efforts saying we don't really have privacy, and saying "i bend over" to beijing, the rewards you reap will be spectacular:
1. you will earn tons of free advertising and pr in the press
2. all us zealots here at slashdot will switch allegiance to you
3. the average joe will gradually realize the issues and the benefits
then we will all do the unthinkable: we will slay google
regards and good luck
In a submission to court, Google is arguing that in the modern world there can be no expectation of privacy because of Google .
there, fixed that for ya google
in the mid-1990s the antiretrovirals that revolutionized survival rates with HIV were invented/ discovered in the west. but india came along and simply said "look, we're going to make these antiretrovirals in india and pay the discoverers in the west nothing, as we are treating poor people with them". and their decision has pretty much stood the test of time internationally (and stood the test of ethics of course)
however, the lack of moral equivalency of HIV drugs versus board games might not be so instructive as to establishing precedence i suppose