I'm far from a Real fan - their Mac client sucked so badly for so long... - but the reason they're licensing WMP codecs is so their server is compatible with the most possible clients and vis versa.
For that matter...didn't M$FT license the Real codecs as well?
IE sucked ass until 5.x. M$FT doesn't need you to throw them bones....they own the market anyway.
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That's revisionist history.
Nobody "needs" two-button mice.
When the Mac came out Microsoft created was is arguably the BIGGEST business app for the MacOS - and no other platform. Excel.
There was no such seperation as you tell it. The seperation, as it is, occurredmuch later and arguably due more to Microsoft's illegal contact terms with OEM and the rampant piracy theye encouraged in the old days.
FWIW, there isn't really all that much seperation today. All of Office is still on MacOS, is 100% file-format compatible. Give Office's 90+% markeet share on Win and Mac, that's all that need be said. For your made-up business person, MacOS still makes more sense that a Win box for all teh reasons Gartner and other have rehashed 1000 times.
The bottom line is that it's an irrational market - the best products do not win.
Offhand, I'd say I had about 5 or 6 great teach throughout my career as a student. Without making this a book, I'd like to note two of them:
1) My highschool Psychology teacher, Mr Campagnoli.
Noteworthy first for giving me an 'F' in the class and forcing me into Summer School for the first time ever, and second for my having learned more in that class than virtually the entire rest of my high-school career. In the strictest of terms I deserved the 'F' - I wasn't into doing homework/busiwork and that accounted for enough of the point in the class. However it makes a great irony of how learning and grades have nowhere near the 1:1 relationship the grading advocates would like us to believe.
The supjects of learning were varied and almost universally engaging. Mucho classroom discussion, mostly free-form, but substantially structured at times as well. I wish I would have taken the time to thank him before I moved from that town.
The biggest impression he made on me (to note, I was quite the geek at this age, not with the in crowd in any sense) was during an early mornig classroom discussion. In usual fashion, he nailed me with a question for which I had no immediate answer - I didn't do the reading homework - but could think about and answer very reasonably. After half a second of silence from my while I thought, some others in the class began to heckle.
Much to my surprise, Mr. Campagnoli actually shut down the noisy students and essentially orderd me to think about it as long as needed and then answer. This was such a stark contrast for me to how everyone around me operated - from teachers to friends to politicians. Everyone! People always engaging their mouths without regard to their brains. People always seem to push for an instant answer.
I really took this to heart. Even apart from the rest of the great learning that happened in that class, this stood out for me as a seminal life moment.
2) My undergrad Philosophy 101 prfessor, Julie Eflin.
Talk about getting someone interested in learning and thinkning! I still don't know how much credit I'd give her or how much for me just being ripe for it - certainly both are to blame!:-)
It was a survey course covering the range of prominent philosphers. The beauty of this class for me was the uncovering of David Hume and the arguments against Free Will. What made it so beautiful was how much I was able to (even encouraged to) dig into it beyond the scope of the 1 hour class time. By the end of that semester I'd probably spent 10 hours or more in her office with her just going further into it, bouncing my ideas for valid refutations off her. She was very understanding, but veyr vigilant as well. (Ole Dave Hume is a complete asshole for coming up with that Determinism crap - very hard to refute on grounds other than absurdity.)
At any rate, my mind was opened and encouraged to such a degree by the end of college that I think I even forgave the shittiest teachers I ever had: History 150: Western Civilization and Phil. 300:Ancient Philosophy.
The former should have been one of the most interesting classes able to be taught, but the militant feminist no-personality bitch that taught it made it a names & numbers game. The later - excepting the militant feminist part - was the same.
Here is Bigcharts.com's data on the Dow Jones Utility Index going all the way back to 1971 as only one data point against your unsupported ancedote. An industry that's seen huge growth in the stock market.
Here is Dow Jones' page on their Utility Index with convenient links to 11 members of the Index. Please look at Duke Energy, PG&E and Enron - the three largest investor-owned utilties in the US. Of them, only PG & E is in trouble. They've taken it upon themselves - now "gifted" with dergulation - to let California hang out to dry. Every other power company I looked up seemed to be in ship-shape, making money hand over fist.
Here, is Dow Jones' page on the California Energy Crisis. There are links to news articles for you. The article from Reason Online - though slathered in Republican anti-liberal rhetoric - does give the salient points:
The investor-owned utilites made stupid investments in inefficient plants
The politicians in California haven't really deregulated - they created a very controlled, artificial market.
This "dergulation" - as the Reason article also points out - was passed unanimously by the state legilature in 1996. For reference here is the political makeup of the 1996 California State Legislature - Look for the heading "1996 State Legislature Results" about 4/5 of the way down the page.
For a less politically (Two Party) bent view on the general concerns facing California and other "dergulated" (or soon-to-be) states check out this, this, and this article.
To add my own $0.02.... Please don't take any of these articles as The Word on this or any issue. That would be dumb. Read! Read! Read!
Also, had either of these points not happened, it's at least possible that California would not be in the mess they are in. Given both points, this outcome should have been predicted.
Finally, unlike the goof-ball who penned the Reason article, please don't subscribe to the Two Party system of blaming a philosphy for the actions of our present Republicratic regime. Contrary to their notions, there is not only room for, but need for both Liberal as well as Conservative thinking in our govenmental bodies.
A) You're reading the article with the assumption that someone thinks they have the universe all figured out. You've only witnessed some of the discussion by people who are trying to figure it out - essentially inviting you and the rest of the world to join in.
B) Keep in mind (or bring to mind?) that chaos - not linearity - would seem to be the ruling system of the universe. I am not all that familiar with chaos theory - nor are most people - except to know that it exists (Read about half of Chaos by James Gleick). This means you and I tend to think of everything around us (including the universe) in linear, (a + b = c) terms. Blackholes may very well make perfect sense in the context of the rest of the universe.
And yet I get BSOD's on this Win2k box just as often as I did on NT4...
As all recent MS boxes, it's rock solid if you don't use it much... (ie. a one or two app box.)
As with Win16, Win32 and MacOS boxen, if you use it FOR REAL (d/l all sorts of doo-dads and gadgets) it breaks frequently.
I'm still on the OS X public beta kick for my G3....it's great. Very stable. Biggest gripe is no drivers for my 3-button scroller mouse.
Strangely, OmniWeb and other "Cocoa" applications have full multi-button and scroller support from the get-go, but the "Workspace" and "Finder" don't, nor do the apps within Classic.
Should be a patch out soon that allegedly removes volumes of "development code" and gives a serious speed-boost.
Can't wait.
The presesnce of this group is a fabrication of the Republican Party to make sure that people of a conservative bent don't listen to the news.
If there was a "m.l.m." we would have been pounded for the last year and a half with information about G. W. Bush's speckled past.
Air National Guard anyone? Makes Clinton's military record seem downight patriotic!
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Arbusto Energy? The information is out there.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
He's a born again Christian. Wasn't there a lot of hubbub over the fact that Jack Kennedy was a Catholic?
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Texas Rangers Baseball team. Is there anyone in television or print media who knows the details behind that whole affair? Cheating taxpayers for a new stadium?
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Harken Energy. Look them up in the SEC history and see how they went out of business. This was a CRIME.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
If there's a "mainstream liberal press" then show me what was written on any of the above.
All I'd ask in return is that we all remember the reportage on Whitewater, et al., the millions (~$25mil?) of dollars in research and investigation into anything they could find and the only thing that was actually prosecuted was lying under oath about a blowjob.
(See here for a nice summary of what those millions of research and investigation dollars were an attempt to substantiate.)
Please, SOMEBODY, show me the liberal press. There's a story here they're gonna LOVE!!!!
Well, your read is one way to take it, but there's at least one other way as well.
Parents often push these prodigy too far and/or too fast....the same syndrome that affects the JonBenet Ramsey crowd and powers the > 60% divorce rate in the US.
The syndrome is born of the huge ego-boom that's been happening for the last decade or three.
Don't take me wrong - this is no simple cause and effect, but it's certainly a factor in society. Parents of prodigy are certainly no less suceptible to this than any others.
Given Intel & Microsoft's Hegemony/Duopoly (read: making an ass load off a supply of cheap x86 hardware and a barge of ancient legacy hardware and software) I shant think we'll be seeing any revolutions anytime soon.
Wait until there's no more money left for Intel or Microsoft to make (flattening market)...then they'll try to foist something new on us and probably call it a revolution.
I guess the point is that when you send this "junk" on FedEX, UPS or another carrier's trucks, it's going to be a highly efficient use of existing space.
Assuming they're using UPS-Ground service (or equivalent), rail-transport is also used wherever possible - ultra-cheap shipping.
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Is it me, or are MP3's "not an exact copy" of the digital work? Even at 256Kbps-rate MP3's are not CD quality, and 90% or better of the mp3's out there are in 128Kbps! That's measurably different by nearly an order of magnitude on average! (e.g. 3MB MP3 = 30MB.wav)
Since I never trade uncompressed tracks, and I never charge anyone, I'd say I - and Napster - fit within the non-digital rules.
Unfortunately, isn't there modification to this in the DMCA?
I will concede that there is favor on the side of supply - the Cisco or Unix hack, that is - at this point in time. However, favor on my side of the supply/demand equation does not a federal-case-shortage make. (sic?)
You go to the contact houses and you'll see where all your Cisco and Unix engineers are hanging out.
Offer up the pretty penny that the market is demanding, bring them in on a contract-to-hire basis, and make sure there is a comparably nice permanent pay/position waiting for them at the end of said contract and you'll have some luck.
Keep in mind some of these people really like the moving-from-company-to-company aspect of contracting, so you may not have instant luck, but you will be able to find qualified people there to get the job done.
I've been doing this for the last ~4 years. I do Frame Relay/ATM and IP support for large carrier clas networks with Cisco and Lucent gear. All WAN, baby!
P.S. That said, I am not in favor of limiting imigration any more than it already is.
Cobalt has their business headed in the right direction. (See this graph and info.) and to boot, their stock price is hanging in a relatively buy-ripe price range.
So, given Cobalt will now not have to bleed cash into a new marketing organization and their trends for cash flow and revenue, they should be profitable for Sun.
Given that Cobalt's business really compliments Sun's, there shouldn't be too much incentive to muck things up there.
As usual, we'll have to wait and see how things pan out.
"'Information wants to be free.' Horsehockey. Information doesn't want anything."
As another already responded, information wants to be free like water wants to run downhill. I think everyone (but the author) knew this.
"But so far the controversy over Napster doesn't seem to be about free speech.
It's about free stuff. It's about a technology that makes it possible to circumvent the intent
of publishing music on CDs."
B.S.!! Napster makes it easier to do what people already do - share their music with each other. The threat that Napster someday may make a dime off this, combined with the DMCA is the only reson the RIAA has a leg to stand on. If the Bad Guys prevail against Napster, it will be the most hollow victory because they will have succeeded in only shutting down a company. People will go on sharing their CD's with each other and making downloadable MP3's. (The real bitch is that the record industry obviously benefits from this sharing in having more people knowing about (thus buying) more music. Go figure.)
"This brings me to my point. Have you noticed that few, if any, Napster advocates are
arguing that it should be legal to purchase a copy of Windows 2000 and share it with a
community of Windows fans on the Internet via a peer-to-peer networking system? Why not?"
Ha! Who'd waste their bandwidth and time??
Strictly speaking, he's making an apples to oranges analogy. The primary consumers of Windows are not individuals (as are with music), but OEM's and corp's. Are these entities the author's target??
To note, I know of nobody who's ever gone out and actually purchased a boxed retail Windows. This has been true in my experience going as far back as the 80's. People pirate Windows like crazy!
I wanna know why in the mid 1970's one could buy a cheap little Honda Civic that got 50mpg. 25+ years later we've advanced all the way to 70mph for an EXPENSIVE "hybrid" Honda?
There's virtually no value to the Insight beyond it's EPA numbers! No cargo space, only carries 1 (one!) passenger...
25 years of arguably the best automotive engineering the planet has ever seen and THAT's all we got for it?
I smell a rat.
References/Resources:
Historical and current data and abaility to compare vehicles at fueleconomy.gov.
Here's all the info I could find at the EPA. They have data going back to only 1978.
Break this.zip file down and you'll find either comma or tab-delimeted files. Import to your favorite spreadsheet and see line 505, column L (or 12 if you've got numbered columns) of the file called 78FG.DAT.
Typical response and also included in the survey. People in your (our!) segment of the demographics also move more than any other because of our ability to "jump ship" any time we want.
Moving and changing jobs are among the most stressful things we humans do these days. They rank up there with death in the family and divorce.
Another thing I wonder is... is this the first time that a games console has been licenced like this? I don't recall any others doing this; Nintendo boxes have always been Nintendo. Likewise with Sega, Atari, et al, including, until now, Sony.
Sears licensed and sold their own branded Atari 2600 compatible player way back when. Am I really that old that nobody else here knows this?...or does no one else care?:-/
Overall I'm really impressed by overall image quallity. The flash seems a bit too strong, but can be controlled. It's way kewl to be able to take a ~20.AVI movie - very clear too!
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I'm far from a Real fan - their Mac client sucked so badly for so long... - but the reason they're licensing WMP codecs is so their server is compatible with the most possible clients and vis versa.
For that matter...didn't M$FT license the Real codecs as well?
IE sucked ass until 5.x. M$FT doesn't need you to throw them bones....they own the market anyway.
That's revisionist history.
Nobody "needs" two-button mice.
When the Mac came out Microsoft created was is arguably the BIGGEST business app for the MacOS - and no other platform. Excel.
There was no such seperation as you tell it. The seperation, as it is, occurredmuch later and arguably due more to Microsoft's illegal contact terms with OEM and the rampant piracy theye encouraged in the old days.
FWIW, there isn't really all that much seperation today. All of Office is still on MacOS, is 100% file-format compatible. Give Office's 90+% markeet share on Win and Mac, that's all that need be said. For your made-up business person, MacOS still makes more sense that a Win box for all teh reasons Gartner and other have rehashed 1000 times.
The bottom line is that it's an irrational market - the best products do not win.
Offhand, I'd say I had about 5 or 6 great teach throughout my career as a student. Without making this a book, I'd like to note two of them:
:-)
1) My highschool Psychology teacher, Mr Campagnoli.
Noteworthy first for giving me an 'F' in the class and forcing me into Summer School for the first time ever, and second for my having learned more in that class than virtually the entire rest of my high-school career. In the strictest of terms I deserved the 'F' - I wasn't into doing homework/busiwork and that accounted for enough of the point in the class. However it makes a great irony of how learning and grades have nowhere near the 1:1 relationship the grading advocates would like us to believe.
The supjects of learning were varied and almost universally engaging. Mucho classroom discussion, mostly free-form, but substantially structured at times as well. I wish I would have taken the time to thank him before I moved from that town.
The biggest impression he made on me (to note, I was quite the geek at this age, not with the in crowd in any sense) was during an early mornig classroom discussion. In usual fashion, he nailed me with a question for which I had no immediate answer - I didn't do the reading homework - but could think about and answer very reasonably. After half a second of silence from my while I thought, some others in the class began to heckle.
Much to my surprise, Mr. Campagnoli actually shut down the noisy students and essentially orderd me to think about it as long as needed and then answer. This was such a stark contrast for me to how everyone around me operated - from teachers to friends to politicians. Everyone! People always engaging their mouths without regard to their brains. People always seem to push for an instant answer.
I really took this to heart. Even apart from the rest of the great learning that happened in that class, this stood out for me as a seminal life moment.
2) My undergrad Philosophy 101 prfessor, Julie Eflin.
Talk about getting someone interested in learning and thinkning! I still don't know how much credit I'd give her or how much for me just being ripe for it - certainly both are to blame!
It was a survey course covering the range of prominent philosphers. The beauty of this class for me was the uncovering of David Hume and the arguments against Free Will. What made it so beautiful was how much I was able to (even encouraged to) dig into it beyond the scope of the 1 hour class time. By the end of that semester I'd probably spent 10 hours or more in her office with her just going further into it, bouncing my ideas for valid refutations off her. She was very understanding, but veyr vigilant as well. (Ole Dave Hume is a complete asshole for coming up with that Determinism crap - very hard to refute on grounds other than absurdity.)
At any rate, my mind was opened and encouraged to such a degree by the end of college that I think I even forgave the shittiest teachers I ever had: History 150: Western Civilization and Phil. 300:Ancient Philosophy.
The former should have been one of the most interesting classes able to be taught, but the militant feminist no-personality bitch that taught it made it a names & numbers game. The later - excepting the militant feminist part - was the same.
Here is Dow Jones' page on their Utility Index with convenient links to 11 members of the Index. Please look at Duke Energy, PG&E and Enron - the three largest investor-owned utilties in the US. Of them, only PG & E is in trouble. They've taken it upon themselves - now "gifted" with dergulation - to let California hang out to dry. Every other power company I looked up seemed to be in ship-shape, making money hand over fist.
Here, is Dow Jones' page on the California Energy Crisis. There are links to news articles for you. The article from Reason Online - though slathered in Republican anti-liberal rhetoric - does give the salient points:
The investor-owned utilites made stupid investments in inefficient plants
The politicians in California haven't really deregulated - they created a very controlled, artificial market.
This "dergulation" - as the Reason article also points out - was passed unanimously by the state legilature in 1996. For reference here is the political makeup of the 1996 California State Legislature - Look for the heading "1996 State Legislature Results" about 4/5 of the way down the page.
For a less politically (Two Party) bent view on the general concerns facing California and other "dergulated" (or soon-to-be) states check out this, this, and this article.
One more energy-related article here.
To add my own $0.02.... Please don't take any of these articles as The Word on this or any issue. That would be dumb. Read! Read! Read!
Also, had either of these points not happened, it's at least possible that California would not be in the mess they are in. Given both points, this outcome should have been predicted.
Finally, unlike the goof-ball who penned the Reason article, please don't subscribe to the Two Party system of blaming a philosphy for the actions of our present Republicratic regime. Contrary to their notions, there is not only room for, but need for both Liberal as well as Conservative thinking in our govenmental bodies.
A) You're reading the article with the assumption that someone thinks they have the universe all figured out. You've only witnessed some of the discussion by people who are trying to figure it out - essentially inviting you and the rest of the world to join in.
B) Keep in mind (or bring to mind?) that chaos - not linearity - would seem to be the ruling system of the universe. I am not all that familiar with chaos theory - nor are most people - except to know that it exists (Read about half of Chaos by James Gleick). This means you and I tend to think of everything around us (including the universe) in linear, (a + b = c) terms. Blackholes may very well make perfect sense in the context of the rest of the universe.
And yet I get BSOD's on this Win2k box just as often as I did on NT4... As all recent MS boxes, it's rock solid if you don't use it much... (ie. a one or two app box.) As with Win16, Win32 and MacOS boxen, if you use it FOR REAL (d/l all sorts of doo-dads and gadgets) it breaks frequently. I'm still on the OS X public beta kick for my G3....it's great. Very stable. Biggest gripe is no drivers for my 3-button scroller mouse. Strangely, OmniWeb and other "Cocoa" applications have full multi-button and scroller support from the get-go, but the "Workspace" and "Finder" don't, nor do the apps within Classic. Should be a patch out soon that allegedly removes volumes of "development code" and gives a serious speed-boost. Can't wait.
The presesnce of this group is a fabrication of the Republican Party to make sure that people of a conservative bent don't listen to the news.
If there was a "m.l.m." we would have been pounded for the last year and a half with information about G. W. Bush's speckled past.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
Not more than a word about it through the whole election.
If there's a "mainstream liberal press" then show me what was written on any of the above.
All I'd ask in return is that we all remember the reportage on Whitewater, et al., the millions (~$25mil?) of dollars in research and investigation into anything they could find and the only thing that was actually prosecuted was lying under oath about a blowjob.
(See here for a nice summary of what those millions of research and investigation dollars were an attempt to substantiate.)
Please, SOMEBODY, show me the liberal press.
There's a story here they're gonna LOVE!!!!
(For crissakes Time (!!) just named G. W. Bush as Person of the Year!)
Well, your read is one way to take it, but there's at least one other way as well. Parents often push these prodigy too far and/or too fast....the same syndrome that affects the JonBenet Ramsey crowd and powers the > 60% divorce rate in the US.
The syndrome is born of the huge ego-boom that's been happening for the last decade or three.
Don't take me wrong - this is no simple cause and effect, but it's certainly a factor in society. Parents of prodigy are certainly no less suceptible to this than any others.
Given Intel & Microsoft's Hegemony/Duopoly (read: making an ass load off a supply of cheap x86 hardware and a barge of ancient legacy hardware and software) I shant think we'll be seeing any revolutions anytime soon.
Wait until there's no more money left for Intel or Microsoft to make (flattening market)...then they'll try to foist something new on us and probably call it a revolution.
Wasn't Win95 supposed to be a revolution?
I guess the point is that when you send this "junk" on FedEX, UPS or another carrier's trucks, it's going to be a highly efficient use of existing space.
Assuming they're using UPS-Ground service (or equivalent), rail-transport is also used wherever possible - ultra-cheap shipping.
Is it me, or are MP3's "not an exact copy" of the digital work? Even at 256Kbps-rate MP3's are not CD quality, and 90% or better of the mp3's out there are in 128Kbps! That's measurably different by nearly an order of magnitude on average! (e.g. 3MB MP3 = 30MB .wav)
Since I never trade uncompressed tracks, and I never charge anyone, I'd say I - and Napster - fit within the non-digital rules.
Unfortunately, isn't there modification to this in the DMCA?
You just made me fall from my seat laughing! Perfect!
Hear, here!
Declaration of Independence anyone?
The Constitution?
The Bill of Rights?
It's in there!!
I will concede that there is favor on the side of supply - the Cisco or Unix hack, that is - at this point in time. However, favor on my side of the supply/demand equation does not a federal-case-shortage make. (sic?)
You go to the contact houses and you'll see where all your Cisco and Unix engineers are hanging out.
Offer up the pretty penny that the market is demanding, bring them in on a contract-to-hire basis, and make sure there is a comparably nice permanent pay/position waiting for them at the end of said contract and you'll have some luck.
Keep in mind some of these people really like the moving-from-company-to-company aspect of contracting, so you may not have instant luck, but you will be able to find qualified people there to get the job done.
I've been doing this for the last ~4 years. I do Frame Relay/ATM and IP support for large carrier clas networks with Cisco and Lucent gear. All WAN, baby!
P.S. That said, I am not in favor of limiting imigration any more than it already is.
There's no real motivation for Sun to do that.
Cobalt has their business headed in the right direction. (See this graph and info.) and to boot, their stock price is hanging in a relatively buy-ripe price range.
So, given Cobalt will now not have to bleed cash into a new marketing organization and their trends for cash flow and revenue, they should be profitable for Sun.
Given that Cobalt's business really compliments Sun's, there shouldn't be too much incentive to muck things up there.
As usual, we'll have to wait and see how things pan out.
"One good one would be to say "we don't want anything on our computers that would be harmful to minors""
That doesn't fly unless you believe you (or even you and 20 or 200 of your neighbors) can make a determination of what's harmful to everyone!
Operating on the assumption that this can be done is what has gotten us and our government into most of the trouble we've gotten into.
Isn't the "professional" name for thinking that way called megalomania ??
There is a legitimate requirement for parents to be inovlved in these kinds of determinations on a case by case basis.
Have a day.
As another already responded, information wants to be free like water wants to run downhill. I think everyone (but the author) knew this.
B.S.!! Napster makes it easier to do what people already do - share their music with each other. The threat that Napster someday may make a dime off this, combined with the DMCA is the only reson the RIAA has a leg to stand on. If the Bad Guys prevail against Napster, it will be the most hollow victory because they will have succeeded in only shutting down a company. People will go on sharing their CD's with each other and making downloadable MP3's.
(The real bitch is that the record industry obviously benefits from this sharing in having more people knowing about (thus buying) more music. Go figure.)
Ha! Who'd waste their bandwidth and time??
Strictly speaking, he's making an apples to oranges analogy. The primary consumers of Windows are not individuals (as are with music), but OEM's and corp's. Are these entities the author's target??
To note, I know of nobody who's ever gone out and actually purchased a boxed retail Windows. This has been true in my experience going as far back as the 80's. People pirate Windows like crazy!
I wanna know why in the mid 1970's one could buy a cheap little Honda Civic that got 50mpg. 25+ years later we've advanced all the way to 70mph for an EXPENSIVE "hybrid" Honda?
.zip file down and you'll find either comma or tab-delimeted files. Import to your favorite spreadsheet and see line 505, column L (or 12 if you've got numbered columns) of the file called 78FG.DAT.
There's virtually no value to the Insight beyond it's EPA numbers! No cargo space, only carries 1 (one!) passenger...
25 years of arguably the best automotive engineering the planet has ever seen and THAT's all we got for it?
I smell a rat.
References/Resources:
Historical and current data and abaility to compare vehicles at fueleconomy.gov.
Toyota Prius & Honda Insight stats
Here's all the info I could find at the EPA. They have data going back to only 1978.
Break this
Typical response and also included in the survey. People in your (our!) segment of the demographics also move more than any other because of our ability to "jump ship" any time we want.
Moving and changing jobs are among the most stressful things we humans do these days. They rank up there with death in the family and divorce.
Being stressed at work is only one facet.
Sears licensed and sold their own branded Atari 2600 compatible player way back when. Am I really that old that nobody else here knows this? ...or does no one else care? :-/
See also: Fall of Roman Civilization We ARE in their footsteps in very many ways.
Please Start reading here.
There are several good links to follow for more detail. The similarities really are enough to wake you up!
Overall I'm really impressed by overall image quallity. The flash seems a bit too strong, but can be controlled. It's way kewl to be able to take a ~20 .AVI movie - very clear too!
x -review/index.html
H TM
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I don't wanna take up too much space telling you something others have already said better, so.....
http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/casio/qv2000s
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/Q2K/Q2KA.
http://www.steves-digicams.com/qv2000.html
Here's a small page I set up with some samples of pictures and movies. Just took them all in a few minutes on a rainy day last week to show my Mom.
http://homepage.mac.com/mattmccabe/
No such preclusion?
"...only caveat is that Microsoft will support their own software for free..."
Kinda like there's no preclusion when all the PC OEM's will only sell you a PC with Windows on it?
How did that caveat turn out?
Or when Microsoft will only sell you Windows WITH Internet Explorer?
Ask Netscape how that caveat turned out. Ooh...they're called AOL now.
In fact Microsoft is quite evil in its subtlety of constructing these quid pro quo's....
Am I wrong?
Thanks for adding that this sweet-sounding product is NOT the same as the Linksys.
FWIW, I DO have the Linksys ($150 from buy.com! Beat it!) and I'd say it's a great product (plug and go!) at a great price-point.
I wouldn't look for the Moto device to be in the same $ range, so if you need one of these now, go with the Linksys and your CableCo's device.