In Canada on the discovery channel we have a "how it's made" series that shows how things are manufactured in about the span of 6-8 minutes.... welcome to 2001
Yeah congrats you can copy paste [probably in X no less]. Can you do anything original? Or is that the best you can come up with? Some lunatics rant from 1994.
I've programmed in GTK+ and Motif and both weren't too hard to work with.
X11 may be hard but that's WHY we have things like Motif and GTK+ [and QT and Cairo and...]
It'll be cool if this is true. Though "better performance" is largely subjective. People only include the benchmarks they want to support their particular claims so you don't always get the full picture.
I am an AMD fanboy but only because so far the AMD processors have been better than the Intel choices [and any other e.g. PPC or MIPS have been way lagging]. So if this core is more efficient [e.g. higher IPC or good IPC and higher clock rate] then all the power to Intel.
All I'm trying to say is take the benchmark with a grain of salt.
Um people like you keep saying "linux is so hard to learn" yet more and more people are doing it.
I think you're just a retard or something.
I too was in your camp once [like 5 years ago] where I dabbled with debian and redhat and got flustered at the slighest problem and ran back to windows. But it got to a point where each "dabbling" in Linux lasted longer and longer and I learned to use the tools better. All of a sudden going back to windows is what pissed me off.
So keep on saying "Linux hard! Linux hard!" since that won't stop the influx of people trying it out and making the switch.
that's for the kernel, gnome, gaim and mozilla. Not just X.
Mozilla on it's own takes up 30-50MB, gaim another 15, gnome about 50-75MB, etc.
There is more bloat out there than just what is in X. But what you peeps fail to see is X is not a single solution package. It's used by people with a variety of hardware configurations. It doesn't just provide a linear frame buffer to work with either.
Is there room for improvement? Yes. Is it in X alone? No.
Can your commodore display a 720x480 full colour 30fps motion picture without lag in software mode? in overlay mode [if HW present?]? Over a remote network connection?
Yeah, didn't think so.
X may be bloat [which I don't generally agree with] but it isn't a simple "linear frame buffer driver". You're just a retard who is latching on to some disgrunted 40 yr old hacks disdain for something which rightly or wrongly became popular.
Don't like the state of X? fork x.org and improve it or make constructive critisms. Any assclown can regurgitate someone elses complaints as if they're their own. It takes real inteligence to form cogent concerns and bring them up in a manner most aptly to be addressed.
I can fix my linux box when the "sissy graphical interface" doesn't start. Can you?
If the price for knowing how to maintain my Linux box is I have to do a [99% automated] install process... oh boo fucking hoo.
It may take 6-8 hours to get a box up from scratch [first time per configuration] but I'm only actually "working at it" for 20-30 mins tops [even less than that once you know what you are doing].
[that said and once you make your stage4 the install procedure really becomes, fdisk/format, untar, chown, lilo, reboot]
That's also told with a "wolf, chicken and corn" and there was even an Macintosh game to the effect [or puzzle or applet... we're talking 1988'ish here].
I don't know why google would buy 5% of AOL... provided gmail works tommorow I don't care either.
Hell they could buy 5% of Canada for all I care. I just like having an email provider that works, works with really no problems [other than short outages once in a blue moon] and is nicely searchable.
I'm serious, glue your mouth shut and turn off your PC.
No shit google does things for advertising dollars.
But they do let you search the web for free right? I mean going to google.com costs money? You have to sign up? What about groups? or gmail?
Just shut the fuck up.
Google offers cool services and in return they have targetted advertisement. And you know what else? Sometimes the ads are actually useful. I've found quite a few neato flash cart websites from ads on google. [for instance].
yeah shhh. Just because amateurs are at every natural disaster with communication support, and are the reason we have nice technologies like QAM and FSK [which cable modems use] doesn't mean we should respect them.
Um not quite. The 2.4Ghz band is unlicensed which means precisely that. A wifi user doesn't have to bow down to an amateur operator but nor can the wifi user file a complaint [provided the power is within spec for the band].
So just because you want to talk on the band in my neighbourhood doesn't mean I have to shut off my AP.
No I agree that a limit after the fact is bullshit.
I'm just questioning who actually "needs" to go over that. The answer is nine times out of ten people who download movies, audio or programs they haven't paid for. Which is why I have no sympathy for them.
Show me a legit person doing work or playing a game that gets nailed and then I'll care.
My new dell laptop had like 15 programs in the taskbar on startup. Including McAfee which "really" wanted me to set it up [you can't just close the program]. I'd have a program popping up to tell me every 3 seconds.
I first grabbed cpuid to make sure the system was what I ordered. Then I grabbed my windows cd and reinstalled. I hate windows but I really hate windows with two dozen startup programs to make my "experience better".
All the players do this though, not just dell. It just seems Dell is the champ.
Dude, you're talking out your ass. Just shut the fuck up.
A broadhead will NOT go through an armor car door when shot from a standard ~70lbs pull compound. And I'm talking a well maintained door as well, e.g. not rusted through or otherwise damaged.
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In Canada on the discovery channel we have a "how it's made" series that shows how things are manufactured in about the span of 6-8 minutes. ... welcome to 2001
Tom
Yeah congrats you can copy paste [probably in X no less]. Can you do anything original? Or is that the best you can come up with? Some lunatics rant from 1994.
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I've programmed in GTK+ and Motif and both weren't too hard to work with.
X11 may be hard but that's WHY we have things like Motif and GTK+ [and QT and Cairo and
Tom
It'll be cool if this is true. Though "better performance" is largely subjective. People only include the benchmarks they want to support their particular claims so you don't always get the full picture.
I am an AMD fanboy but only because so far the AMD processors have been better than the Intel choices [and any other e.g. PPC or MIPS have been way lagging]. So if this core is more efficient [e.g. higher IPC or good IPC and higher clock rate] then all the power to Intel.
All I'm trying to say is take the benchmark with a grain of salt.
Tom
Um people like you keep saying "linux is so hard to learn" yet more and more people are doing it.
I think you're just a retard or something.
I too was in your camp once [like 5 years ago] where I dabbled with debian and redhat and got flustered at the slighest problem and ran back to windows. But it got to a point where each "dabbling" in Linux lasted longer and longer and I learned to use the tools better. All of a sudden going back to windows is what pissed me off.
So keep on saying "Linux hard! Linux hard!" since that won't stop the influx of people trying it out and making the switch.
Tom
my point though
win32: moz+gaim+desktop == 300mb
linux with X: moz+gaim+gnome 300mb
Assuming moz isn't vastly different in Linux as it is in Windows I'd say that bodes well.
Tom
that's for the kernel, gnome, gaim and mozilla. Not just X.
Mozilla on it's own takes up 30-50MB, gaim another 15, gnome about 50-75MB, etc.
There is more bloat out there than just what is in X. But what you peeps fail to see is X is not a single solution package. It's used by people with a variety of hardware configurations. It doesn't just provide a linear frame buffer to work with either.
Is there room for improvement? Yes. Is it in X alone? No.
Tom
Can your commodore display a 720x480 full colour 30fps motion picture without lag in software mode? in overlay mode [if HW present?]? Over a remote network connection?
Yeah, didn't think so.
X may be bloat [which I don't generally agree with] but it isn't a simple "linear frame buffer driver". You're just a retard who is latching on to some disgrunted 40 yr old hacks disdain for something which rightly or wrongly became popular.
Don't like the state of X? fork x.org and improve it or make constructive critisms. Any assclown can regurgitate someone elses complaints as if they're their own. It takes real inteligence to form cogent concerns and bring them up in a manner most aptly to be addressed.
Tom
Most unsightful comment ever.
My gnome+mozilla+gaim takes 220MB of ram.
My win32 desktop + mozilla + gaim takes 300MB of ram.
I think X is doing just fine.
Tom
I know but it's a good defense for "drives that die".
If you're worried that your drive will die without any notice [e.g. weird noises] then use a raid with redundancy.
Tom
... *cough* raid * cough*
Tom
I can fix my linux box when the "sissy graphical interface" doesn't start. Can you?
... oh boo fucking hoo.
If the price for knowing how to maintain my Linux box is I have to do a [99% automated] install process
It may take 6-8 hours to get a box up from scratch [first time per configuration] but I'm only actually "working at it" for 20-30 mins tops [even less than that once you know what you are doing].
[that said and once you make your stage4 the install procedure really becomes, fdisk/format, untar, chown, lilo, reboot]
Tom
That's also told with a "wolf, chicken and corn" and there was even an Macintosh game to the effect [or puzzle or applet ... we're talking 1988'ish here].
... provided gmail works tommorow I don't care either.
I don't know why google would buy 5% of AOL
Hell they could buy 5% of Canada for all I care. I just like having an email provider that works, works with really no problems [other than short outages once in a blue moon] and is nicely searchable.
Tom
What competition?
... :-)].
Google isn't an ISP [at least not yet]. It doesn't provide streaming video or other annoying features.
About the only thing they have in common [apart from being corporations, dealing with the "internet" and having websites] is the IM clients.
You're post would make sense if Google had bought Yahoo! or Altavista or something like that [just do a google for web search engines
Tom
I'm capable of critical thinking which some others apparently enjoy [hence the good karma].
When you see asshats like that "google is evil for having ads" you can't possibly think there is any form of "thinking" going on there.
Tom
Shut up.
I'm serious, glue your mouth shut and turn off your PC.
No shit google does things for advertising dollars.
But they do let you search the web for free right? I mean going to google.com costs money? You have to sign up? What about groups? or gmail?
Just shut the fuck up.
Google offers cool services and in return they have targetted advertisement. And you know what else? Sometimes the ads are actually useful. I've found quite a few neato flash cart websites from ads on google. [for instance].
So just fuck off and die in a car fire.
Tom
It takes a billion dollars to make two companies agree to open up their IM clients? ...
I wonder what it takes to get two to agree on anti-spam or anti-phish techniques...
Tom
Hi Neal,
Lance hasn't paid you because you're a loser and can't produce productive work. Your DFP demo is shit and you almost cost us the STS contract.
You failed to hold up your end of the deal [e.g. be competent] and were FIRED because of it.
Fuck off and die,
Sincerely, Tom St Denis [I've since re-wrote STS from scratch and it's a dozen times better].
Why you'd use 2.4Ghz over say 2m or 70cm is beyond me.
Maybe you're an asshat?
Tom
yeah shhh. Just because amateurs are at every natural disaster with communication support, and are the reason we have nice technologies like QAM and FSK [which cable modems use] doesn't mean we should respect them.
:-)
Get with the times man, geez...
Tom
Um not quite. The 2.4Ghz band is unlicensed which means precisely that. A wifi user doesn't have to bow down to an amateur operator but nor can the wifi user file a complaint [provided the power is within spec for the band].
So just because you want to talk on the band in my neighbourhood doesn't mean I have to shut off my AP.
Tom
No I agree that a limit after the fact is bullshit.
I'm just questioning who actually "needs" to go over that. The answer is nine times out of ten people who download movies, audio or programs they haven't paid for. Which is why I have no sympathy for them.
Show me a legit person doing work or playing a game that gets nailed and then I'll care.
Tom
I don't know about those folk but last I checked the limit was 100GB and they don't actually enforce it [though I haven't tested this].
Even with 9 computers [three users] and voip I haven't hit anywhere close to 100GB. We normally max out around 15GB during the busyiest of months.
Not that I agree with limits on "unlimited" services but if you're downloading over 100GB regularly maybe you ought to rethink that.
Tom
Yeah that sucks, in my case I used a windows xp home edition oem cd I have.
The license on the bottom of the laptop was accepted and I activated windows with no problems.
Tom
I don't know what the problem is.
My new dell laptop had like 15 programs in the taskbar on startup. Including McAfee which "really" wanted me to set it up [you can't just close the program]. I'd have a program popping up to tell me every 3 seconds.
I first grabbed cpuid to make sure the system was what I ordered. Then I grabbed my windows cd and reinstalled. I hate windows but I really hate windows with two dozen startup programs to make my "experience better".
All the players do this though, not just dell. It just seems Dell is the champ.
Tom
Dude, you're talking out your ass. Just shut the fuck up.
A broadhead will NOT go through an armor car door when shot from a standard ~70lbs pull compound. And I'm talking a well maintained door as well, e.g. not rusted through or otherwise damaged.
Tom