The problem is nobody knows about that. If I knew I wouldn't have bought the movie when I was younger.
This also re-enforces another post I had about the fact we still have class systems. Disney got away with this [by this I mean the execs] because they have the cash money to fight it.
Those roads you drive on, the schools you attend, the public health ads you see and the public medicine [which even the US has]....
The problem is you think you earned those and that they're constant [e.g. always here] but they're actually because you "pot resources" in the form of taxes to hire people under public contracts to do stuff like build roads, bridges, etc...
But that aside...
the US and Canada are nowhere near "class free". I can go downtown [Ottawa] and see rich suits, middle class students and poor homeless all standing at the same bus stop.
They don't typically intermingle, they don't live in the same area and typically the ultra rich [those not at the bus stop] get out of a lot of trouble.
For example, our current prime minister [what's his name.,.. oh Paul Martin] was the finance minister when 10 billion dollars "went missing". Not only was he not prosecuted but he later WON THE PRIME MINISTER SEAT in the house...
I worked for various retail places in my life and if more than 2$ went astray I was questioned and my till double/triple checked...
Don't tell me there isn't a class system. Money has a way to sieve out people from one another.
They don't lock anyone out of anything. If people just stopped buying into it the alternative would stand a better chance.
Put it another way. If a million people would pay 20$ each to hear me sing [which would be awful I can assure you] I am dead seriously sure that the RIAA would cut me a cheque for a couple million for my trouble.
That's exactly the problem though. They [stupid teenagers] see the quick rag-to-riches that the average pop "star" takes and assumes they can related to it, that it's something to admire and that's why they buy into it.
Just like the lotto for adults. You will end up with more money at the end of the day by not buying that 2$ ticket then you would buy trying [since your expected earnings are very low]. Yet people still buy lotto tickets [I'll admit I've bought a couple since I turned 18 five years ago].
The problem is not enough people feel the way that I do [and probably you as well] about the low quality of modern music to actually put their money in action.
It's the same thing with "outsourcing to lower payed employees". You know what the solution for that is? Buy expensive stuff and demand satisfaction with your warranty.
Sounds crazy right? I mean I can get a mp3 gizmo from noname for 10$ why would I buy a sony for 50$?
But that's eactly why outsourcing exists. The market for robust [and expensive] gizmos is lacking and the demand for warranty expectations is rather low. Most people [below say 50$] would rather either deal with the loss or buy a replacement then hassle after getting a warranty.
But I can assure you if everyone who bought a cheaper gizmo either demanded warranty replacement when it fucks up and/or bought higher quality brands you wouldn't see out sourcing being so viable.
Outsourcing is a result of following the money. People want cheap gizmos. They don't want quality or standards anymore.
The MPAA was very clear about the fact they only want torrents of MPAA member media pulled. They never said you can't have torrents of other stuff up. Stupid/. zealots only concluded that because they assume
You can just not reply to my posts if they bother you./. gave me an account here therefore I assume I'm welcomed to post as I see fit. If some admin told me "shut up and get lost" I'd do just that.
Just because you want so desperately to be a cool hacker l33t defcon fanboi extraordinaire doesn't mean that every time someone bitches about "the man" it's a valid bitch.
Personally I still maintain that 99% of the crap the MPAA/RIAA puts out isn't worthy of disk space. That's why I store gigs and gigs of techno/eurodance. At least it's spaces my mind ON PURPOSE and not just by the fact the "artists" are 16 yr old little kids without much life experience or brains to share between themselves.
But of course, you must both hate the industry than crave all it produces. That makes you l33t and worthy of flaming other people.
You totally failed to see the point I was making...
You can't simply "pirate" media because you feel "it should be free" was my point. The people hosting torrents are just as responsible for the pirating action as the person providing the file.
My example was "just because I don't like property laws doesn't mean I can steal from you"
as in "just because you don't like IP laws doesn't mean you can violate them".
But I guess that was too abstract for your oh so huge and complicated brain to comprehend.
Fuck tard. I hope you die in a violent car fire with your entire family. You are the scum of the universe and the quicker people like you are shuffled off this existence the better.
This is a post about "evil behaviour" that then mentions the MPAA suit against bittorrents [and yes I typo'ed and meant MPAA in my original post, sorry about that].
Point is it's just another stupid irrelevent story. Just because somebody had a thought and posted it to a website doesn't mean it's worthy of being news.
I stopped reading at "RIAA suing BitTorrent Trackers" [sic]...
Last I checked despite your opposition to a law you can't simply "ignore it" when it doesn't suit you. Otherwise I totally call dibs on everything in your home. Cuz like "property laws" don't appeal to me.
"The issues with video card drivers (ATI in particular) under Linux can be pretty serious."
No this is exactly the point. I've bought several nvidia cards for various new computers EXACTLY because they go out of their way to support their users [not just in windows].
If more people rewarded more companies who display such good behaviour you wouldn't see the lock in.
This, of course, would also require customers to use at least a modicum of critical thinking. Just because it's 2005 doesn't mean you should rush out to get Word'05. First off, what's wrong with Word'04 and secondly why not give OO.O a try? [etc].
Also for all the new companies forming out there [of which there are 1000s each year] why don't they use OSS?
It's just too much to ask for people to have consideration for others...
We must legislate "nice behaviour"?
I mean I'm about to fly to France [again] and I'm nervous enough about the flight [say weather or other failures], about getting my work done, about getting all my stuff there and back, etc...
Now I have to also worry about some jackass with a sub-90 IQ pointing a laser during takeoff or something?
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually do anything themselves.
Have you even installed Gentoo before? My guess and bet [I'd put money on it] that you never have. You probably didn't even pay for the copy of Windows you are using.
Cuz you can play the latest Quake3 clone that makes your setup more "useful"...
Well I got an xbox/PS2 hooked up to my tv tuner card. I can play any game I want while in Linux and not sacrifice by having a halfass development environment [e.g. windows]
You don't think Adobe would develop for Linux if people stopped buying their windows crap?
I mean for instance, if everyone who bought photoshop in 2000 just said "enough is enough, we have photoshop working now and the next one we buy must be linux" that you'd see linux support?
As for "usable as a desktop" well I run KDE on xorg in Linux [x86_64] and I have all I need to chat, email, browse, edit images, develop, etc...
Hell I even play games in Linux [I know, SHOCK!]!!!
"Excluding things like gcc, which run under cygwin?"
Cygwin comes with a Windows install?
"Granted this is missing from the OS, but there are plenty of add-ons for that."
So I have to run Windows AND an add-on...[that doesn't come with windows, I have to find, install on my own...]
"I have yet to see the kernel crash in XP SP2 outside of hardware failure, which also causes linux to crash."
You're lucky then. Cuz I can find ways to make Windows boxes crash fairly easily. I usually onl boot into windows once every 50-60 days or so and each time I find a way to make it crash, hang, have an application lock up, etc...
"Do you mean other than logging off and on, or killing explorer.exe in task manager?"
That doesn't always work. For instance, switching from fullscreen DX9 applications to the desktop can lock up the mouse/keyboard so you can't use task manager, etc... And no, not everytime you try to logout the lingering processes die.
The point is though, if you're going to get all these addons and crap to make Windows actually useable why not just use Linux or BSD?
So you're saying in order to make windows effectively useful I have
- Install windows - Go through lengthy SP2/patches - Install DX9 [as seperate no less and reboot] - Make sure all my drivers are install - Then proceed to download mplayer, firefox, gaim, cygwin, hordes of coreutils?
And then up with
- 1 desktop [annoying] - Still windows underneath - Annoying paranoid of random files
Why don't I just use fucking Gentoo and remove Windows from the equation.
Gentoo takes all of a day to setup [even on a VIA C3 cpu which is a slow POS] is fairly easy to keep updated and is free to obtain.
Um there are times when you can't kill a process from taskmgr. Other times they totally pwned the cpu time and you can't even open the task manager.
As for being exploited I wasn't talking personally. I was talking about the vast # of other users and the risk in general.
Just because you haven't been exploited doesn't mean you're safe. I mean the CHM exploits will go right through firewall and anti-virus tools if you download what you think is a valid CHM file., etc...
The problem is Microsoft [like many companies in the software biz] doesn't promote many technical merits behind their software. They're more about "mind-share" than "tech-share".
But afterall, that's what a good business does. Only look short-term how to make the most amount of money.
Personally I hate windows not because I'm a l33t linux user. Or that it's cool to hate Windows. I hate Windows because it's fucking annoying. No developement tools, one desktop, totally exploited every 8 seconds, the kernel isn't that stable, you can't restart the desktop without rebooting, etc....
Rarely if ever do I have to cold-reboot my linux box. Usually restarting X will fix any problems [which also happens rarely] with the desktop.
That and I can hack the kernel if I want [which I have had todo once when cpufreqd was a bit whiny about my buggy bios having 2 PST entries]. Can't do that in Windows...
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How so?
oh... because I need "facts" before I can have a mind for or against something...
Yeah, well if being "not ignorant" makes me a pansy then so be it.
BTW isn't there a car fire you're supposed to die in soon?
Tom
Wow, well money talks too.
The problem is nobody knows about that. If I knew I wouldn't have bought the movie when I was younger.
This also re-enforces another post I had about the fact we still have class systems. Disney got away with this [by this I mean the execs] because they have the cash money to fight it.
Tom
... there is socialism everywhere....
Those roads you drive on, the schools you attend, the public health ads you see and the public medicine [which even the US has]....
The problem is you think you earned those and that they're constant [e.g. always here] but they're actually because you "pot resources" in the form of taxes to hire people under public contracts to do stuff like build roads, bridges, etc...
But that aside...
the US and Canada are nowhere near "class free". I can go downtown [Ottawa] and see rich suits, middle class students and poor homeless all standing at the same bus stop.
They don't typically intermingle, they don't live in the same area and typically the ultra rich [those not at the bus stop] get out of a lot of trouble.
For example, our current prime minister [what's his name.,.. oh Paul Martin] was the finance minister when 10 billion dollars "went missing". Not only was he not prosecuted but he later WON THE PRIME MINISTER SEAT in the house...
I worked for various retail places in my life and if more than 2$ went astray I was questioned and my till double/triple checked...
Don't tell me there isn't a class system. Money has a way to sieve out people from one another.
Tom
Except many people held in Cuba are not members of "Al Queda"...
Oh that and what the USA did in Iraq was a war crime....
Tom
" one-sided copyright laws..."
***IF*** you produce anything you value it would protect you as well..
Tom
You're saying Canada and the US don't have a class system?
Right....
Tom
Yeah in other news people who violate laws get punished. Film at 11.
Though no, I'm sure a super sekret team led by the FB-AY was first on the scene, guns blazing to arrest this poor innocent person.
Tom
They don't lock anyone out of anything. If people just stopped buying into it the alternative would stand a better chance.
Put it another way. If a million people would pay 20$ each to hear me sing [which would be awful I can assure you] I am dead seriously sure that the RIAA would cut me a cheque for a couple million for my trouble.
That's exactly the problem though. They [stupid teenagers] see the quick rag-to-riches that the average pop "star" takes and assumes they can related to it, that it's something to admire and that's why they buy into it.
Just like the lotto for adults. You will end up with more money at the end of the day by not buying that 2$ ticket then you would buy trying [since your expected earnings are very low]. Yet people still buy lotto tickets [I'll admit I've bought a couple since I turned 18 five years ago].
The problem is not enough people feel the way that I do [and probably you as well] about the low quality of modern music to actually put their money in action.
It's the same thing with "outsourcing to lower payed employees". You know what the solution for that is? Buy expensive stuff and demand satisfaction with your warranty.
Sounds crazy right? I mean I can get a mp3 gizmo from noname for 10$ why would I buy a sony for 50$?
But that's eactly why outsourcing exists. The market for robust [and expensive] gizmos is lacking and the demand for warranty expectations is rather low. Most people [below say 50$] would rather either deal with the loss or buy a replacement then hassle after getting a warranty.
But I can assure you if everyone who bought a cheaper gizmo either demanded warranty replacement when it fucks up and/or bought higher quality brands you wouldn't see out sourcing being so viable.
Outsourcing is a result of following the money. People want cheap gizmos. They don't want quality or standards anymore.
Tom
How is that exploiting people?
/. zealots only concluded that because they assume
The MPAA was very clear about the fact they only want torrents of MPAA member media pulled. They never said you can't have torrents of other stuff up. Stupid
Linux live cd == MPAA latest hit
for some reason.
Tom
copyright law is not new.
Tom
You can just not reply to my posts if they bother you. /. gave me an account here therefore I assume I'm welcomed to post as I see fit. If some admin told me "shut up and get lost" I'd do just that.
Just because you want so desperately to be a cool hacker l33t defcon fanboi extraordinaire doesn't mean that every time someone bitches about "the man" it's a valid bitch.
Personally I still maintain that 99% of the crap the MPAA/RIAA puts out isn't worthy of disk space. That's why I store gigs and gigs of techno/eurodance. At least it's spaces my mind ON PURPOSE and not just by the fact the "artists" are 16 yr old little kids without much life experience or brains to share between themselves.
But of course, you must both hate the industry than crave all it produces. That makes you l33t and worthy of flaming other people.
Tom
You totally failed to see the point I was making...
You can't simply "pirate" media because you feel "it should be free" was my point. The people hosting torrents are just as responsible for the pirating action as the person providing the file.
My example was "just because I don't like property laws doesn't mean I can steal from you"
as in "just because you don't like IP laws doesn't mean you can violate them".
But I guess that was too abstract for your oh so huge and complicated brain to comprehend.
Fuck tard. I hope you die in a violent car fire with your entire family. You are the scum of the universe and the quicker people like you are shuffled off this existence the better.
Tom
This is a post about "evil behaviour" that then mentions the MPAA suit against bittorrents [and yes I typo'ed and meant MPAA in my original post, sorry about that].
Point is it's just another stupid irrelevent story. Just because somebody had a thought and posted it to a website doesn't mean it's worthy of being news.
Tom
I stopped reading at "RIAA suing BitTorrent Trackers" [sic] ...
/.
Last I checked despite your opposition to a law you can't simply "ignore it" when it doesn't suit you. Otherwise I totally call dibs on everything in your home. Cuz like "property laws" don't appeal to me.
Yet another knee-jerk fodder-podder for
Fuck humanity!
"The issues with video card drivers (ATI in particular) under Linux can be pretty serious."
No this is exactly the point. I've bought several nvidia cards for various new computers EXACTLY because they go out of their way to support their users [not just in windows].
If more people rewarded more companies who display such good behaviour you wouldn't see the lock in.
This, of course, would also require customers to use at least a modicum of critical thinking. Just because it's 2005 doesn't mean you should rush out to get Word'05. First off, what's wrong with Word'04 and secondly why not give OO.O a try? [etc].
Also for all the new companies forming out there [of which there are 1000s each year] why don't they use OSS?
Tom
Actually given that europeans smoke like fucking chimneys I'm more worried about developing accute lung cancer over there. ;-)
Tom
It's just too much to ask for people to have consideration for others...
We must legislate "nice behaviour"?
I mean I'm about to fly to France [again] and I'm nervous enough about the flight [say weather or other failures], about getting my work done, about getting all my stuff there and back, etc...
Now I have to also worry about some jackass with a sub-90 IQ pointing a laser during takeoff or something?
Fuck humanity.
Tom
Before you can run a successfully inept business you have to attend a MBA-mill and get your business speak about you.
And then you can synergize the process and run it into the ground while taking millions in bonuses every time you fart or something...[nortel...]
Tom
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually do anything themselves.
Have you even installed Gentoo before? My guess and bet [I'd put money on it] that you never have. You probably didn't even pay for the copy of Windows you are using.
Cuz you can play the latest Quake3 clone that makes your setup more "useful"...
Well I got an xbox/PS2 hooked up to my tv tuner card. I can play any game I want while in Linux and not sacrifice by having a halfass development environment [e.g. windows]
Tom
You don't think Adobe would develop for Linux if people stopped buying their windows crap?
I mean for instance, if everyone who bought photoshop in 2000 just said "enough is enough, we have photoshop working now and the next one we buy must be linux" that you'd see linux support?
As for "usable as a desktop" well I run KDE on xorg in Linux [x86_64] and I have all I need to chat, email, browse, edit images, develop, etc...
Hell I even play games in Linux [I know, SHOCK!]!!!
Tom
"Excluding things like gcc, which run under cygwin?"
Cygwin comes with a Windows install?
"Granted this is missing from the OS, but there are plenty of add-ons for that."
So I have to run Windows AND an add-on...[that doesn't come with windows, I have to find, install on my own...]
"I have yet to see the kernel crash in XP SP2 outside of hardware failure, which also causes linux to crash."
You're lucky then. Cuz I can find ways to make Windows boxes crash fairly easily. I usually onl boot into windows once every 50-60 days or so and each time I find a way to make it crash, hang, have an application lock up, etc...
"Do you mean other than logging off and on, or killing explorer.exe in task manager?"
That doesn't always work. For instance, switching from fullscreen DX9 applications to the desktop can lock up the mouse/keyboard so you can't use task manager, etc... And no, not everytime you try to logout the lingering processes die.
The point is though, if you're going to get all these addons and crap to make Windows actually useable why not just use Linux or BSD?
Tom
So you're saying in order to make windows effectively useful I have
- Install windows
- Go through lengthy SP2/patches
- Install DX9 [as seperate no less and reboot]
- Make sure all my drivers are install
- Then proceed to download mplayer, firefox, gaim, cygwin, hordes of coreutils?
And then up with
- 1 desktop [annoying]
- Still windows underneath
- Annoying paranoid of random files
Why don't I just use fucking Gentoo and remove Windows from the equation.
Gentoo takes all of a day to setup [even on a VIA C3 cpu which is a slow POS] is fairly easy to keep updated and is free to obtain.
Tom
Um there are times when you can't kill a process from taskmgr. Other times they totally pwned the cpu time and you can't even open the task manager.
As for being exploited I wasn't talking personally. I was talking about the vast # of other users and the risk in general.
Just because you haven't been exploited doesn't mean you're safe. I mean the CHM exploits will go right through firewall and anti-virus tools if you download what you think is a valid CHM file., etc...
Tom
The problem is Microsoft [like many companies in the software biz] doesn't promote many technical merits behind their software. They're more about "mind-share" than "tech-share".
But afterall, that's what a good business does. Only look short-term how to make the most amount of money.
Personally I hate windows not because I'm a l33t linux user. Or that it's cool to hate Windows. I hate Windows because it's fucking annoying. No developement tools, one desktop, totally exploited every 8 seconds, the kernel isn't that stable, you can't restart the desktop without rebooting, etc....
Rarely if ever do I have to cold-reboot my linux box. Usually restarting X will fix any problems [which also happens rarely] with the desktop.
That and I can hack the kernel if I want [which I have had todo once when cpufreqd was a bit whiny about my buggy bios having 2 PST entries]. Can't do that in Windows...
Tom
"You basically get a login to a website that allows you to download free ISOs to Windows XP Pro,..."
Typical serf-think. It's not "free". It factors into the cost of your tuition and in the cost of Microsoft software.
There is a reason why a retail copy of WinXP Pro costs 400 dollars [cdn]... And it ain't because of windows "advanced technology"
Tom