I agree that a degree isn't always everything. That's part of my point. So what, you have a MCSE thingy, or you finished two weeks of CS at a local devry...
What have you done with this?
If I were in a position to hire people I'd take people who have accomplished things [e.g. work on their own tangible projects] over people who just have a degree or diploma.
I wonder why... oh that's right cuz it's just another hack american scam to get more money without providing anything tangible in return...
Fuck, these certified people are certifiably fucking stupid.
Why can't people just see longer term. By inventing all these "qualifications" that really amount to jack squat they dillute the field and make it EVEN HARDER for people [including themselves] to find solid jobs. Why not just admit your're not a computer expert (scientist, networking admin, sysop, webmin, etc...) and just let people really serious about making a name for themselves [by being productive] go about their business.
Yeah, then you get into the fact that just because the RSA numbers are bigger doesn't mean it's slower. They're different algorithms and the numbers don't scale exactly at all.
If anything multiplication is O(n^1.58) [using Karatsuba] and you will have 2.5 multiplications per bit of exponent [squaring, reduction and prob 50% of multiplication]. That's 3*n^1.58 work for n digits. ECC on the other hand requires one modular inverse per bit (n^2) as well as several multiplications and various other things [addition, subtraction, etc].
The point is that aside from using ONB curves ECC is much slower than RSA on most platforms. It involves many modular inversions which are horribly slow. Whereas RSA requires two half size exptmods which are fast.
So saying "I'd use ECC because it's faster" is a tad loaded.
I played a few of them. They're horrible quality. Not only are they mindless drivel corporate propaganda but they're low quality mindless drivel corporate propaganda.
"Oh my god! I've got five essays due by tommorrow! What the hell am I going to do?"...Start the assignment when it's handed out? I had a friend in a major of English program. He did just this. Waited and procrastinated on his assignments until he nearly had a friggin heart attack at the end of the semester.
I agree there are multiple facets to this argument. Sure most students are unlikely to cheat. Sure some assignment may be over burdening. But the fact of the matter is there *is* a lot of plagerism [my friend is a CS master student and in his first year comp.sci classes he TA's he routine catches one or two per assignment].
Should we treat the students as criminals and force them to go through undue obstacles to complete their degree? No. Should the prof be allowed to use a specialized service to help find cheaters? Yes.
It still boils down to most undergrads are young and don't manage themselves well. Don't believe me? Go to your local campus pub or retaurant(s) and see how many students are in there just playing cards, drinking, shooting pool, etc.
If school is so hard that the precious little baby students need to cheat to succeed, maybe they shouldn't be slacking off all the time?
Again, I doubt the prof says "machine says fail so I fail student.". This is, in a way analogous to diagnostics in C compilers [also known as warning messages]. It's upto the discretion of the developer whether they follow them [sometimes warnings can be moot].
I'm sure the prof uses this as a tool to help identify copies. For the most part if you copied a non-trivial part of text then you will have to either show that the related work is too new for you to have known about it, show that you write like that too [e.g. previously accepted submissions] or otherwise convince the prof that the words/code/etc are your own.
Of course if you happen to write say N consecutive words exactly like another person [N > 30] and those N words are not universal [e.g. formalisms] then chances are you did copy someone else.
"What does that teach a student? That they are not trusted. That their teachers have no faith in their character. "
I think at the under-grad level you really can't trust the students. They're still young, used to an easy ride through highschool and are the most likely to cheat.
At the grad level where you have to publish papers and such you have strong peer-review in place to prevent copying works.
Personally I think as a matter of efficiency it should be a one step process. E.g. I submit the work to the anti-copy site, the site then verifies it and submits it to my teacher.
I don't think they're looking for trivial matches. e.g.
"Therefore, our theorem is true". would not be indicative of cheating. Something like
"As a matter of course the heroine employed strong character traits throughout the tribulations that populated her difficult life." would be something non-trivial that could indicate cheating.
I also doubt this is a pass/fail system. The professor probably has some discretion in the matter.
Ok this is bullshit. I've been around the military for a good part of my teen years and rarely do you ever hear about people getting sick at the mess.
Disease is not a major problem in military bases. I don't know which you've been to [I've been to Petawawa, Borden, St-Jean, Lac Sebastien and Baggotville in Canada] and the worse thing I saw was an outbreak of sunburns and heatstroke [cuz of the 30+ temps].
I'm sure people get sick in the military. I just doubt it's because they eat in a common mess. A big part of basic training in the military is how to live in groups [e.g. this is why they inspect your barracks often].
If you think about it how many things today have you touched that have probably been handled by 100s of others. Door handles, seats, money, those plastic cafeteria trays, etc...
Yeah sure if a community is messy they could suffer as a group but last I checked the military eats in a common mess with 100s of people and they're not dying off left right and center.
If you can manage to not be a slob a community kitchen is cheaper, more social and wastes fewer resources. But again, that would be asking people to not think ME FIRST.
Or how about just stop cutting corners by making crappily packaged products just to turn profit?
Also how about just admiting that certain things shouldn't exist in the first place [SUVs, cigarettes, individually packaged foods, styrofoam containers].
I think if you just open your eyes you will see many environmental problems are caused by pure and simple greed. People drive their own land-yacht SUV instead of taking the bus cuz then they'd have to share. The have their own food stash in their house [if you think about this there are social, environmental and economical benefits to communal kitchens], etc, etc..
I don't see this as being that drastic. For the first 18 years of my life I had zero power to affect any change. In fact under most forms of law I was barely a person!
I still see more immediate problems. Who knows, maybe tis glofish will help the environment. What is known though is that fossil fuel is limited. That landfill space cannot grow indefinitely.
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Isn't the GPL older than the DMCA?
Tom
Portfolio.
Nuff said.
I agree that a degree isn't always everything. That's part of my point. So what, you have a MCSE thingy, or you finished two weeks of CS at a local devry...
What have you done with this?
If I were in a position to hire people I'd take people who have accomplished things [e.g. work on their own tangible projects] over people who just have a degree or diploma.
Tom
I wonder why... oh that's right cuz it's just another hack american scam to get more money without providing anything tangible in return...
Fuck, these certified people are certifiably fucking stupid.
Why can't people just see longer term. By inventing all these "qualifications" that really amount to jack squat they dillute the field and make it EVEN HARDER for people [including themselves] to find solid jobs. Why not just admit your're not a computer expert (scientist, networking admin, sysop, webmin, etc...) and just let people really serious about making a name for themselves [by being productive] go about their business.
Tom
I'd love to see an FFT on a modern desktop processor work faster than even heck just comba multiplication for numbers in the 2000 bit range....
hehehehehe
Yeah, then you get into the fact that just because the RSA numbers are bigger doesn't mean it's slower. They're different algorithms and the numbers don't scale exactly at all.
If anything multiplication is O(n^1.58) [using Karatsuba] and you will have 2.5 multiplications per bit of exponent [squaring, reduction and prob 50% of multiplication]. That's 3*n^1.58 work for n digits. ECC on the other hand requires one modular inverse per bit (n^2) as well as several multiplications and various other things [addition, subtraction, etc].
Tom
The point is that aside from using ONB curves ECC is much slower than RSA on most platforms. It involves many modular inversions which are horribly slow. Whereas RSA requires two half size exptmods which are fast.
So saying "I'd use ECC because it's faster" is a tad loaded.
Tom
This is bullshit. RSA is very fast on desktops specially with the CRT optimization.
I call bullshit
cuz it sucks ass since end of 1st season...
Maybe Al should slide in there and get ziggy to lend a hand.
Tom
I played a few of them. They're horrible quality. Not only are they mindless drivel corporate propaganda but they're low quality mindless drivel corporate propaganda.
Tom
Yet Another Weak Prediction.
I predict in the next or previous six months you had a birthday.
And also that it will rain on July 14th sometime in the next 50 years in Ottawa.
Can I get a published article too now?
Tom
Is it Saudi Arabia or just some faction that is in power?
Tom
And this is much different then how blacks were/are treated? How people critical about religion down south are treated [or in government]?
When's the last time someone said "God fuck America" out loud? Have you ever worn a Nazi emblem just for kicks? etc. etc.
I think you'll find that things you take for granted right where you live can be construed by others as "extreme".
Tom
All I want my cell todo is make calls. How will perl help me accomplish this goal?
Tom
"Oh my god! I've got five essays due by tommorrow! What the hell am I going to do?" ...Start the assignment when it's handed out? I had a friend in a major of English program. He did just this. Waited and procrastinated on his assignments until he nearly had a friggin heart attack at the end of the semester.
I agree there are multiple facets to this argument. Sure most students are unlikely to cheat. Sure some assignment may be over burdening. But the fact of the matter is there *is* a lot of plagerism [my friend is a CS master student and in his first year comp.sci classes he TA's he routine catches one or two per assignment].
Should we treat the students as criminals and force them to go through undue obstacles to complete their degree? No. Should the prof be allowed to use a specialized service to help find cheaters? Yes.
It still boils down to most undergrads are young and don't manage themselves well. Don't believe me? Go to your local campus pub or retaurant(s) and see how many students are in there just playing cards, drinking, shooting pool, etc.
If school is so hard that the precious little baby students need to cheat to succeed, maybe they shouldn't be slacking off all the time?
Tom
Again, I doubt the prof says "machine says fail so I fail student.". This is, in a way analogous to diagnostics in C compilers [also known as warning messages]. It's upto the discretion of the developer whether they follow them [sometimes warnings can be moot].
I'm sure the prof uses this as a tool to help identify copies. For the most part if you copied a non-trivial part of text then you will have to either show that the related work is too new for you to have known about it, show that you write like that too [e.g. previously accepted submissions] or otherwise convince the prof that the words/code/etc are your own.
Of course if you happen to write say N consecutive words exactly like another person [N > 30] and those N words are not universal [e.g. formalisms] then chances are you did copy someone else.
Tom
I think you'll find even normal ME FIRST homes in the middle of a warzone are not clean either.
What's your point?
"What does that teach a student? That they are not trusted. That their teachers have no faith in their character. "
I think at the under-grad level you really can't trust the students. They're still young, used to an easy ride through highschool and are the most likely to cheat.
At the grad level where you have to publish papers and such you have strong peer-review in place to prevent copying works.
Personally I think as a matter of efficiency it should be a one step process. E.g. I submit the work to the anti-copy site, the site then verifies it and submits it to my teacher.
Tom
I think if you are found copying non-trivial sections of another work without crediting it then you ought to learn quickly how to defend yourself.
Also for masters and PhD programs you have to routinely defend your work as a matter of course.
Sure if the student has a disability they should have some other course [say, appeal in writing, have a spec.ed councellor, etc...]
Tom
I don't think they're looking for trivial matches. e.g.
"Therefore, our theorem is true". would not be indicative of cheating. Something like
"As a matter of course the heroine employed strong character traits throughout the tribulations that populated her difficult life." would be something non-trivial that could indicate cheating.
I also doubt this is a pass/fail system. The professor probably has some discretion in the matter.
Tom
Ok this is bullshit. I've been around the military for a good part of my teen years and rarely do you ever hear about people getting sick at the mess.
Disease is not a major problem in military bases. I don't know which you've been to [I've been to Petawawa, Borden, St-Jean, Lac Sebastien and Baggotville in Canada] and the worse thing I saw was an outbreak of sunburns and heatstroke [cuz of the 30+ temps].
I'm sure people get sick in the military. I just doubt it's because they eat in a common mess. A big part of basic training in the military is how to live in groups [e.g. this is why they inspect your barracks often].
Tom
SARS. Nuff said.
If you think about it how many things today have you touched that have probably been handled by 100s of others. Door handles, seats, money, those plastic cafeteria trays, etc...
Yeah sure if a community is messy they could suffer as a group but last I checked the military eats in a common mess with 100s of people and they're not dying off left right and center.
If you can manage to not be a slob a community kitchen is cheaper, more social and wastes fewer resources. But again, that would be asking people to not think ME FIRST.
Tom
No change is a good change....
So you think darwin was wrong?
Heretic!
...(ddt, cane toads, carp, The Average Suit (tm) , etc.)...
Or how about just stop cutting corners by making crappily packaged products just to turn profit?
Also how about just admiting that certain things shouldn't exist in the first place [SUVs, cigarettes, individually packaged foods, styrofoam containers].
I think if you just open your eyes you will see many environmental problems are caused by pure and simple greed. People drive their own land-yacht SUV instead of taking the bus cuz then they'd have to share. The have their own food stash in their house [if you think about this there are social, environmental and economical benefits to communal kitchens], etc, etc..
ME FIRST ME FIRST ME FIRST!!!
Tom
I don't see this as being that drastic. For the first 18 years of my life I had zero power to affect any change. In fact under most forms of law I was barely a person!
I still see more immediate problems. Who knows, maybe tis glofish will help the environment. What is known though is that fossil fuel is limited. That landfill space cannot grow indefinitely.
This is basically a case of misplaced priorities.
Tom