The point though is all the marvelous engineering aside you're still climbing in a 30 or so tonne mechanical device where the simplest of things goes wrong [re: nasa disasters] you die.
I'm not saying airtravel is not safe. By all means I think it's safer than cars [though not buses]. The point is in the grand scheme of things one more system is not likely to make you that insecure [provided it's not trivially unsafe]
You're assuming we don't already hand our lives over to technology in planes. Last I checked if the hydraulics [sp?] fail you're pretty fucked since huge aircraft are not fly by pully as per the 1940s circa planes...
How is that informative? You want to remove MSN messenger? Go into your program files directory and just delete the messenger director. Takes two seconds and worked flawlessly for me on XPHome.
While meant as a joke it is a good idea. MSOE seems to want to load msn whenever it starts up [even if you have Gaim installed and running;-)]. I just delete the f'ing directory and that cured my problems.
That and if you're 6yr old kid really finds GTA interesting you got more issues than a poor choice of games.
Last time I babysat for kids [7/9 yrs old] they found Zelda and mathblaster "fun". Maybe Doom was the most they would ever play [but only cuz their father was a Doom nut]
Also where the fuck do these young kids get the money for games? New games are like 90$ after taxes... when I was 12 if I had 2$ I spent it on chips/pop. When I was 16 and had a part-time job I think I was old enough to realize game != real.
So essentially if you're old enough to earn [and not just save up some crappy allowance which is another rant alltogether] the money for the game then I guess you're old enough to play;-)
Why is it games only tell people to snipe people. Just today I found a few more interesting ways to kill people in vice city...
1. Get a fast car, hit a motorcycle head on then run over the rider in one motion
2. Position yourself so cop cars chasing you will hit other cops [funny to see this happen]
3. Do a "punch/shotgun" combo [by getting upclose].
You don't see people imitating this in real life. No it's some jackass with a.22 rifle [which isn't even in the game, it's a.223 carbine!] shooting at cars that gets a kickass game on the verge of being banned.
I never said the GPL is subversive. The GPL [as you pointed out] is quite clear.
My point is that it's not truly free. The goal it tries to achieve is commendable but it boils down to racial segragation of the 60s. E.g. keep your commercial software away from me and we'll get along fine.
While I don't think the average GPL OSS author is a racist I do think they lock their software into a license which can unduly lower their userbase.
I mean look at libraries like zlib and libpng. They're copyright but otherwise PD. They're not under threat of being "owned by the corporate man" as others would point out.
I'm taking this a step further. My code has no copyright on it at all. This means people can sell it [if they want] without giving me [or the other contributors] credit.
NASA is a waste because spending billions of dollars to send 7 people into space to see if ants can sort small screws is a waste of money.
At least NASA is less of a waste of money then the US ARMY which is just used as a toy of the president to inflict his evil bidding on the world.
You say NASA is a learning opertunity? Good fine and all. But that same billion dollars it takes to launch the shuttle [or whatever it costs] could most likely be better served by raising the wages of teachers buying new supplies [texts, projectors, desks that don't wobble, etc...].
People could have forked their own OS/hardware if it was such a problem.
Forcing something to always be open is not always a good idea when capitalism still exists. Having control over the source gives you a competitive edge which gets crushed by being forced public.
Sure it would be nice to all share and get along but that's not going to happen anytime soon. People are still simple stupid folk who like shiny things that make loud noises [explains movies well].
So until we turn into a living utopia you have to make due. I try to improve the world by giving away SW libraries. That's my bit.
See that's just my point. [which you re-enforced nicely btw].
It's "my way or the highway" with GPL.
I place my software in the public domain so people will use it without reservation.
Could someone take one of my projects and turn it into a commercial project [closed source] later down the road? Yeah sure. However, I will keep distributing my work regardless so there is no "freedom loss" in my sense.
For example. Say someone takes one of my library and ports it to ASM for a given platform. Say you're a 3rd party developer needing what my library gives but ASM optimized would be nice.
Well you can use my free copy of the library which I give out. Or you can pay the other team to license their ASM port.
You still have a choice and in this example I've helped two teams of people.
You didn't have to buy the new machines. Last I was told the consumers drive the market not the businesses. Nobody buys product because they alienate customers, they change or die.
I don't see how that's realistically possible. I have been plugging my code for quite some time. I have archives of posts where I talk about my code, etc...
With all due respect the GPL isn't all powerful either. Even if SCO loses in the end we're all still losing anyways. And in the end you can't hide behind the GPL. Say Linux was really a ripoff of SCO Unix then the GPL wouldn't help us in one bit.
So sure, someone could go out and claim they wrote one of my libraries first but they'd have a hard time proving it and generally they would succeed.
Let me put this into a real context. I have companies like SCEA and Bitmover using my code. Part of the reason they like my code is because at the end of the day, no matter what happens they don't owe me jack squat. They distribute applications based on my code and don't have to distribute any source code in return.
As it turns out both SCEA and Bitmover have contributed stuff back into my projects to make them better [cuz in return they use the improved projects].
What about that don't you understand?
I write stuff that is free as in freedom not free as in I'll ensure my name gets out there and you must perpetuate it.
"No, I can't. In every open society there are legal clauses prohibiting you from exercising your freedom by taking away liberties from other people. The GPL does this in software society. Someone who takes a piece of open code and closes it, removes the freedom for all others to view/use the code; the GPL wants to prevent this loss of freedom. "
This doesn't follow. If I take your GPL program, add on a do-hicky and keep that closed how does that cause a "loss of freedom".
I wrote the do-hicky, why should you be entitled to it [other than altruistic goodyness].
This is nonsense. I release my code to the public domain because I want everyone and anyone to use it without fear of "Did I comply to his license demands?"
Heck, even my textbook I'm writing is Public Domain. If another person picks up what I did, improves it and sells it for $$$ hey all the power to them.
And spam is not a result of freedom. It's a result of greed. That's like saying highways cause high speed chases...
Not that I don't respect most GNU software. I just fine the GPL itself is kinda contradictory. You want software to be free for the masses and you want to ensure that the cycle continues. Smetimes the cycle is not meant to continue [e.g. private development].
Why people stick with MSIE [for home use] is mostly why many peole use MS MSN for chatting instead of Gaim or trillian or amsn or...
It came with the OS install, does what they want and they don't see any added benefit of another install. Sure Gaim is cooler than MSN but if all you do is chat on the MSN protocol why bother?
Similarly, sure tabs are cool but if you never use them who cares? Personally I do a fair bit of research and I find no use for tabs. I can only read one screen at a time so I don't care for tabs.
MSIE + google bar is a decent experience. I get no annoying popups and a browser which for all its faults works reliably.
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If that's true that's fairly kickass.
The point though is all the marvelous engineering aside you're still climbing in a 30 or so tonne mechanical device where the simplest of things goes wrong [re: nasa disasters] you die.
I'm not saying airtravel is not safe. By all means I think it's safer than cars [though not buses]. The point is in the grand scheme of things one more system is not likely to make you that insecure [provided it's not trivially unsafe]
Tom
You're assuming we don't already hand our lives over to technology in planes. Last I checked if the hydraulics [sp?] fail you're pretty fucked since huge aircraft are not fly by pully as per the 1940s circa planes...
Tom
Yeah where have our good christian slavery values gone? Must...colonize....heathens....
Fuck off twat.
Tom
If you're time is so precious why bother wasting the time to make an obvious joke that isn't funny? Or in your lingo
Was it just me or did I read "I'm a big hypocrite" out of that...
Tom
How is that informative? You want to remove MSN messenger? Go into your program files directory and just delete the messenger director. Takes two seconds and worked flawlessly for me on XPHome.
Tom
While meant as a joke it is a good idea. MSOE seems to want to load msn whenever it starts up [even if you have Gaim installed and running ;-)]. I just delete the f'ing directory and that cured my problems.
Tom
True that. Maybe these "am the only one who read that as..." people should learn how to fucking read.
Tom
That and if you're 6yr old kid really finds GTA interesting you got more issues than a poor choice of games.
;-)
Last time I babysat for kids [7/9 yrs old] they found Zelda and mathblaster "fun". Maybe Doom was the most they would ever play [but only cuz their father was a Doom nut]
Also where the fuck do these young kids get the money for games? New games are like 90$ after taxes... when I was 12 if I had 2$ I spent it on chips/pop. When I was 16 and had a part-time job I think I was old enough to realize game != real.
So essentially if you're old enough to earn [and not just save up some crappy allowance which is another rant alltogether] the money for the game then I guess you're old enough to play
Tom
Memo from the group of angry people with nothing better todo but complain in court:
....
Dear t0ger,
Are you talking to me? Are *YOU* talking to me? What? Do I amuse you? Am I funny?
Sincerely,
Tom Waste-away Capilione
to paraphrase a George Carlin joke...
.22 rifle [which isn't even in the game, it's a .223 carbine!] shooting at cars that gets a kickass game on the verge of being banned.
Why is it games only tell people to snipe people. Just today I found a few more interesting ways to kill people in vice city...
1. Get a fast car, hit a motorcycle head on then run over the rider in one motion
2. Position yourself so cop cars chasing you will hit other cops [funny to see this happen]
3. Do a "punch/shotgun" combo [by getting upclose].
You don't see people imitating this in real life. No it's some jackass with a
Tom
That's by far the funniest thing I've read all day.
Kudos.
I never said the GPL is subversive. The GPL [as you pointed out] is quite clear.
My point is that it's not truly free. The goal it tries to achieve is commendable but it boils down to racial segragation of the 60s. E.g. keep your commercial software away from me and we'll get along fine.
While I don't think the average GPL OSS author is a racist I do think they lock their software into a license which can unduly lower their userbase.
I mean look at libraries like zlib and libpng. They're copyright but otherwise PD. They're not under threat of being "owned by the corporate man" as others would point out.
I'm taking this a step further. My code has no copyright on it at all. This means people can sell it [if they want] without giving me [or the other contributors] credit.
Tom
NASA is a waste because spending billions of dollars to send 7 people into space to see if ants can sort small screws is a waste of money.
At least NASA is less of a waste of money then the US ARMY which is just used as a toy of the president to inflict his evil bidding on the world.
You say NASA is a learning opertunity? Good fine and all. But that same billion dollars it takes to launch the shuttle [or whatever it costs] could most likely be better served by raising the wages of teachers buying new supplies [texts, projectors, desks that don't wobble, etc...].
Tom
People could have forked their own OS/hardware if it was such a problem.
Forcing something to always be open is not always a good idea when capitalism still exists. Having control over the source gives you a competitive edge which gets crushed by being forced public.
Sure it would be nice to all share and get along but that's not going to happen anytime soon. People are still simple stupid folk who like shiny things that make loud noises [explains movies well].
So until we turn into a living utopia you have to make due. I try to improve the world by giving away SW libraries. That's my bit.
Tom
See that's just my point. [which you re-enforced nicely btw].
It's "my way or the highway" with GPL.
I place my software in the public domain so people will use it without reservation.
Could someone take one of my projects and turn it into a commercial project [closed source] later down the road? Yeah sure. However, I will keep distributing my work regardless so there is no "freedom loss" in my sense.
For example. Say someone takes one of my library and ports it to ASM for a given platform. Say you're a 3rd party developer needing what my library gives but ASM optimized would be nice.
Well you can use my free copy of the library which I give out. Or you can pay the other team to license their ASM port.
You still have a choice and in this example I've helped two teams of people.
Tom
You didn't have to buy the new machines. Last I was told the consumers drive the market not the businesses. Nobody buys product because they alienate customers, they change or die.
Tom
And hence my arguement against the "freedom" we have here with the GPL.
Would it be nice if everyone shared? Yes. Would it be nice if we forced people to share? No.
Tom
I don't see how that's realistically possible. I have been plugging my code for quite some time. I have archives of posts where I talk about my code, etc...
With all due respect the GPL isn't all powerful either. Even if SCO loses in the end we're all still losing anyways. And in the end you can't hide behind the GPL. Say Linux was really a ripoff of SCO Unix then the GPL wouldn't help us in one bit.
So sure, someone could go out and claim they wrote one of my libraries first but they'd have a hard time proving it and generally they would succeed.
Tom
Were you forced to use their copy of BSD on the machines? Were you forced to buy the machines in the first place?
I think if their product line fell flat on its face they would have re-thought the idea.
Tom
Let me put this into a real context. I have companies like SCEA and Bitmover using my code. Part of the reason they like my code is because at the end of the day, no matter what happens they don't owe me jack squat. They distribute applications based on my code and don't have to distribute any source code in return.
As it turns out both SCEA and Bitmover have contributed stuff back into my projects to make them better [cuz in return they use the improved projects].
What about that don't you understand?
I write stuff that is free as in freedom not free as in I'll ensure my name gets out there and you must perpetuate it.
Tom
"No, I can't. In every open society there are legal clauses prohibiting you from exercising your freedom by taking away liberties from other people. The GPL does this in software society. Someone who takes a piece of open code and closes it, removes the freedom for all others to view/use the code; the GPL wants to prevent this loss of freedom. "
This doesn't follow. If I take your GPL program, add on a do-hicky and keep that closed how does that cause a "loss of freedom".
I wrote the do-hicky, why should you be entitled to it [other than altruistic goodyness].
Tom
I agree that copyrights/patents are a bad idea but just because you can abuse something doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.
Tom
I disagree. I should be able to protect my works without fear of ripoffs. Otherwise, what is the incentive to produce works?
On a grander scale I agree that the whole capitalism thing is futile and in the end we'll just use another system [however long that takes].
However, in the interim disbanding copyright won't help.
Tom
This is nonsense. I release my code to the public domain because I want everyone and anyone to use it without fear of "Did I comply to his license demands?"
Heck, even my textbook I'm writing is Public Domain. If another person picks up what I did, improves it and sells it for $$$ hey all the power to them.
And spam is not a result of freedom. It's a result of greed. That's like saying highways cause high speed chases...
Not that I don't respect most GNU software. I just fine the GPL itself is kinda contradictory. You want software to be free for the masses and you want to ensure that the cycle continues. Smetimes the cycle is not meant to continue [e.g. private development].
Tom
Why people stick with MSIE [for home use] is mostly why many peole use MS MSN for chatting instead of Gaim or trillian or amsn or ...
It came with the OS install, does what they want and they don't see any added benefit of another install. Sure Gaim is cooler than MSN but if all you do is chat on the MSN protocol why bother?
Similarly, sure tabs are cool but if you never use them who cares? Personally I do a fair bit of research and I find no use for tabs. I can only read one screen at a time so I don't care for tabs.
MSIE + google bar is a decent experience. I get no annoying popups and a browser which for all its faults works reliably.
Tom