"frame relay". Sounds made up. I call 12 yr old kid!
fortunately I'm still right. The topic was about off the shelf voice band modulated modems. If you had to get a special digital line that's hardly what we're talking about [hence my reference to ISDN]
An off the shelf 9600 baud modem never cost $10K even when they were new.
I grew up in the 2400/9600 modem days and they didn't cost $10K. Maybe 30 years ago....
I recall buying my "high speed 14.4" modems for my Renegade BBS for like 60$ each [or something] when I was 12.
Also 56kbps didn't exist until very recently [90s] so it wasn't even an option for "those with alot of money" prior to that [unless they had an ISDN line which was 64 not 56]. The only 56kbps link I know of prior to the 90s was done by amateur radio links [packet radio]
Go back to school chump, leave the nostalgia for those who actually lived through it.
pay per message is good provided the price isn't $$$. Why should only rich people be allowed to talk?
Besides if you pay monthly bills for your cell [as I do] you shouldn't/wouldn't appreciate even more bills for actually using your cell [I don't].
Something like hashcash [or the memory-bound approach shown at CRYPTO'03] would work wonders if people in authority [e.g. authors of kmail, moz,....] implemented it.
"Anyone could create their own certificates, but without a mutual trusted third party signing it, how do I know it's real?"
What is real anyways? Just bcause I paid 200$ for an RSA key I can make in 200 milliseconds on my PC doesn't mean I'm not a criminal or spammer.
CA's and PKI in general [well as the corporate world sees it] is a huge fucking scam. Just because some random signing-whore [which is what a CA is really] signed your key doesn't mean you can trust it. The CA will sign *any* key for a price.
For me at least the switch from winxp to linux [knoppix first then gentoo] was because of the better development tools available in linux [cygwin is nice but not 100%].
I wouldn't argue that switching to linux makes my computer "more secure". Being smart about updates, not running extra services that I don't need and running a firewall is what I attribute my "security" too.
I think I felt similarly secure in Windows as I do in knoppix and gentoo. In fact in all the time I've ran DOS/win311/win95/win98/win2k and then winxp I've never had a virus nor a privacy breach [aside from a perl script I ran as cgi which had a bug in it, e.g. my fault].
Though in retrospect in dos/win311 days remote exploits weren't a big concern. Not like remote BBSes could really do much via a terminal:-)
While I generally hate KaZaa and such this action is setting a dangerous precedent.
Google isn't hosting or otherwise promoting the pirated data. They're just objectively providing web searching capabilities. If they are cut short because every interest group [scientologist for instance] want to dip their hands in how the "web should look".... well what's the point then?
I hope the lawsuit fails and google can resume a more objective product.
A patch for the blaster worm came out before the attacks. People [regardless of the OS] are just too stupid to run the fucking update process.
Even if they ran FreeBSD they'd have to keep ontop of updates. That is unless they want their apache server to get rooted or their ssh daemen pwn3d or their wuftpd completely j4ck3d.
Typically bugs in OSS are fixed in hours, in proprietary software it's days or weeks. For example, the RPC bug was fixed in June [or July... I forget] yet this bug came out couple of weeks ago.
My main point is that while OSS is technically better [for fixing problems sooner] it will be plagued with the same fundamental problem [people not updating.].
So the typical intuition of "just use Linux" isn't helpful. The correct intuition is "check for updates regularly."
True dat. Actually the security of OSS comes under false pretenses. Major differences
1. Types of users that use windows. 2. Number of users that use windows. 3. Speed of fixes.
Typically in OSS security bugs are fixed within hours of the report. And OSS software is not bug free. If windows users transfer wholesale to Linux we'll just see the same problems over again.
While OSS is great and should be used over proprietary technology so far as public service is concerned [at the least] it isn't going to solve the security problems that plague windows.
The win32 API *does* have a C runtime and it *does* have BSD sockets functionality [e.g. send/recv/connect/...]. What's your fucking point?
I never said the win32 API was a POSIX.1 based implementation. So yes, calling WSAStartup is a win32 only thing. However, that difference is so small [and easy to overcome] that any half-way competent develoeper/programmer wouldn't think twice about it.
See jackass if you're going to troll at least have valid and cogent points to back up your trolling.
This is why script kiddies are annoying. They find exploits and other scripts/tools and then randomly use them thinking they know what they're doing.
This is why armchair slashdot readers typically shouldn't be lawyers [myself included], doctors, etc...
I hope they catch the people doing the DoS attack [probably as they brag how cool the attack is over some l33t IRC channelz] and beat their heads into the ground.
SCO maybe "evil" but you gotta think before you act!
The oh so great Canadian levy on CD-Rs was passed when I was 12 or so.... And no, politicians in Canada don't care about what people would call "issues". They're all about bashing each other in public forums.
e.g.
"Stockwell Day doesn't care about public education. In fact, [snicker], he is in favour of locking children in cages for medical experiments."
"Jean Chretien is a french bastard who doesn't do jack squat, but at least his name isn't Stockwell."
The problem is as noble as your goals are it isn't up to you to do so.
What if people broke into your house only to clean it up and replace your 13" colour tv with a 53" tv? Would that be ok? [well personally I wouldn't mind:-)]
I totally agree the RIAA should go with the flow and make the most of netradio and P2P. However, it isn't up to me what the RIAA chooses todo [nor you].
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"frame relay". Sounds made up. I call 12 yr old kid!
fortunately I'm still right. The topic was about off the shelf voice band modulated modems. If you had to get a special digital line that's hardly what we're talking about [hence my reference to ISDN]
An off the shelf 9600 baud modem never cost $10K even when they were new.
Tom
I call 12yr old liar.
I grew up in the 2400/9600 modem days and they didn't cost $10K. Maybe 30 years ago....
I recall buying my "high speed 14.4" modems for my Renegade BBS for like 60$ each [or something] when I was 12.
Also 56kbps didn't exist until very recently [90s] so it wasn't even an option for "those with alot of money" prior to that [unless they had an ISDN line which was 64 not 56]. The only 56kbps link I know of prior to the 90s was done by amateur radio links [packet radio]
Go back to school chump, leave the nostalgia for those who actually lived through it.
Tom
pay per message is good provided the price isn't $$$. Why should only rich people be allowed to talk?
....] implemented it.
Besides if you pay monthly bills for your cell [as I do] you shouldn't/wouldn't appreciate even more bills for actually using your cell [I don't].
Something like hashcash [or the memory-bound approach shown at CRYPTO'03] would work wonders if people in authority [e.g. authors of kmail, moz,
Tom
But many people run their own servers over cable modems [because their ISP mail sucks!]
I refuse to pay some signing-whore 200$ or whatever to get a pretty RSA key so I can "legitimately" send email.
Tom
"Anyone could create their own certificates, but without a mutual trusted third party signing it, how do I know it's real?"
What is real anyways? Just bcause I paid 200$ for an RSA key I can make in 200 milliseconds on my PC doesn't mean I'm not a criminal or spammer.
CA's and PKI in general [well as the corporate world sees it] is a huge fucking scam. Just because some random signing-whore [which is what a CA is really] signed your key doesn't mean you can trust it. The CA will sign *any* key for a price.
web-of-trust ho!
Tom
Good point.
:-)
For me at least the switch from winxp to linux [knoppix first then gentoo] was because of the better development tools available in linux [cygwin is nice but not 100%].
I wouldn't argue that switching to linux makes my computer "more secure". Being smart about updates, not running extra services that I don't need and running a firewall is what I attribute my "security" too.
I think I felt similarly secure in Windows as I do in knoppix and gentoo. In fact in all the time I've ran DOS/win311/win95/win98/win2k and then winxp I've never had a virus nor a privacy breach [aside from a perl script I ran as cgi which had a bug in it, e.g. my fault].
Though in retrospect in dos/win311 days remote exploits weren't a big concern. Not like remote BBSes could really do much via a terminal
Tom
What are you talking about. I just recently installed gentoo with 2.4.20-r5, then installed 2.4.21 and just a few days ago 2.4.22.
:-)
While the time between kernels [at least in the 2.4.xx] isn't "every other week" it's still frequent enough.
Though I appreciate the updates as I'm smart enough to use genkernel to build it all for me
Tom
While I generally hate KaZaa and such this action is setting a dangerous precedent.
.... well what's the point then?
Google isn't hosting or otherwise promoting the pirated data. They're just objectively providing web searching capabilities. If they are cut short because every interest group [scientologist for instance] want to dip their hands in how the "web should look"
I hope the lawsuit fails and google can resume a more objective product.
Tom
say what???
Blaster was the RPC exploit was it not?
SoBig is a user exploit [e.g. morons who run a super fun screensaver!]
Tom
Say what?
A patch for the blaster worm came out before the attacks. People [regardless of the OS] are just too stupid to run the fucking update process.
Even if they ran FreeBSD they'd have to keep ontop of updates. That is unless they want their apache server to get rooted or their ssh daemen pwn3d or their wuftpd completely j4ck3d.
Tom
Why? His company released a patch to fix it a few months before the attack started.
Would Linus feel particularly hurt if a worm went around that attacked kernel v0.94 ???
Tom
This isn't fair though, the P4 sucks. If anything compare the G4 to an Athlon. The athlon has single cycle rotates [unlike the POS P4 processor]. :-)
Also these "G4 vs. P4" comparisons. Do they use the most of both processors or is this an Altivec vs. x86-alu comparison? [or vice versa].
Tom
How is it an obvious troll?
...
Just because you don't have anything smart to say doesn't mean others are wrong. I bet you're fun to talk to in person...
[at a conference somewhere]
Presenter: And this is why we decided to
AC: NO! I call TROLL! Evil! Troll! Hoopla!
Tom
Um again you're fucking wrong. Apache has been plagued by security problems.
The difference [which you failed to read from my post] is that people who use Linux are typically more savvy and will update their software timely.
I mean just read the fucking changelog for apache and you will see one security bug after another.
So if I was stupid and ran say 1.3.01 [or whatever the first 1.3 was] could I then say it's the OSS fault I got rooted?
If you patch and run IIS properly it's a fairly secure server. If you run it off the install disk made 4 years ago you're fucked.
Next time you reply why not actually *read* what I wrote and not just scan for the buzzwords!?!?
Tom
Typically bugs in OSS are fixed in hours, in proprietary software it's days or weeks. For example, the RPC bug was fixed in June [or July... I forget] yet this bug came out couple of weeks ago.
My main point is that while OSS is technically better [for fixing problems sooner] it will be plagued with the same fundamental problem [people not updating.].
So the typical intuition of "just use Linux" isn't helpful. The correct intuition is "check for updates regularly."
Tom
True dat. Actually the security of OSS comes under false pretenses. Major differences
1. Types of users that use windows.
2. Number of users that use windows.
3. Speed of fixes.
Typically in OSS security bugs are fixed within hours of the report. And OSS software is not bug free. If windows users transfer wholesale to Linux we'll just see the same problems over again.
While OSS is great and should be used over proprietary technology so far as public service is concerned [at the least] it isn't going to solve the security problems that plague windows.
Tom
Um shut the fuck up. You can get a "clean" two bedroom appartment [which includes water + electricity/heat] for around 1k/month.
If you live downtown you don't want or need a car because you can bus it anywhere, etc...
Maybe in your hell-hole city/country/place you can't but you can here.
YOU FAIL IT.
And Canada. :-)
:-)
A single person could easily live off 40-50K very decently. Let's break down some numbers
rent: ~1000
food: ~200
phone+tv+internet: ~100
bus pass: ~70
clothing: ~50 [per month over year]
This is 1420$ per month or 17,040$ per year. Assuming you clear 55% of your gross earnings that's 30,981$/year. [and 55% is really low]
So I'd say with 40k/year you can easily live with the essentials plus toys
Tom
I think they meant the math/ee people that would become the CS lords....
>:-)
Tom
Um, car mechanics and plumbers and other trades don't exactly make the same a waiter makes. So aren't they just a bit hypocritical?
I dunno if I like paying a plumber 60$/h but I definitely wouldn't want one that expected 5$/h
Tom
Talk to Phil Zimmerman than... apparently he has a program to sell ya :-)
:-)
So far as I know PGP [and GPG] are perfectly legal. If you're afraid of mr. govt spying on ya, encrypt/sign all your messages.
Tom
I don't get what you are trying to say.
The win32 API *does* have a C runtime and it *does* have BSD sockets functionality [e.g. send/recv/connect/...]. What's your fucking point?
I never said the win32 API was a POSIX.1 based implementation. So yes, calling WSAStartup is a win32 only thing. However, that difference is so small [and easy to overcome] that any half-way competent develoeper/programmer wouldn't think twice about it.
See jackass if you're going to troll at least have valid and cogent points to back up your trolling.
Tom
This is why script kiddies are annoying. They find exploits and other scripts/tools and then randomly use them thinking they know what they're doing.
This is why armchair slashdot readers typically shouldn't be lawyers [myself included], doctors, etc...
I hope they catch the people doing the DoS attack [probably as they brag how cool the attack is over some l33t IRC channelz] and beat their heads into the ground.
SCO maybe "evil" but you gotta think before you act!
Tom
The oh so great Canadian levy on CD-Rs was passed when I was 12 or so.... And no, politicians in Canada don't care about what people would call "issues". They're all about bashing each other in public forums.
e.g.
"Stockwell Day doesn't care about public education. In fact, [snicker], he is in favour of locking children in cages for medical experiments."
"Jean Chretien is a french bastard who doesn't do jack squat, but at least his name isn't Stockwell."
Tom
The problem is as noble as your goals are it isn't up to you to do so.
:-)]
What if people broke into your house only to clean it up and replace your 13" colour tv with a 53" tv? Would that be ok? [well personally I wouldn't mind
I totally agree the RIAA should go with the flow and make the most of netradio and P2P. However, it isn't up to me what the RIAA chooses todo [nor you].
Tom