No, a theif deprives [for any non-zero amount of time] someone of possesion of their property.
A copyright infringer, infringes on the rights of a copyright holder to control the distribution of their product [be it music, written word, motion picture, etc].
You can infringe the rights of a copyright holder without actually depriving them of their property. For example, taping radio and selling the tapes. You didn't steal the audio since by the mere fact of broadcasting it you are entitled to be in possesion of it.
So smartass, while I'm not a lawyer I suggest you touch up on your technical quipps.
Society is better for it only because TV is so horribly devoid of any actual educational value and inteligence that it sets back the average adult about 10 or so grades.
"It isn't technologically feasible for them to beam solely to subscribers and non-subscribers"
Is exactly my point. The technology is flawed. I mean if I mailed a book to everyone in the US just because sorting addresses is too hard can I sue you for reading the book?
*They* beam data into *my* house. Tough cookies if I examine it.
Since when is decrypting a signal illegal? I don't see that in the canadian criminal code and I doubt its in the american one too.
The OP point was you can legally own a decoder though some argue you cannot legally operate it without a license [I'd argue the opposite].
Just like you can legally own a cell scanner, operate it, but you cannot use the info to defraud people.
You have to actually *commit* a crime before you arrest people. Otherwise you wind up on the slippery slope where kitchen knifes are all tools of murderers.
The real crime is: Attempt to point out flaws in a overly flawed market [re: satelite tv].
Last time I checked "decrypting" data is not illegal. Also don't you have physically touch someones property before you can "steal" it? [directed to the coalition against satelite piracy].
Get it fucking right you noobs, its copyright infringement not theft! Though one could argue the satelite companies are beaming the signal to your house without your permission so they're violating your rights [trespass]!!!
See what I don't get is why people don't question satelite tv in the first place.
I mean with Cable at least you have to *physically* hookup to their drop boxes [re: their property]. That at least counts as theft of services.
But with satelite they beam the RF to your house regardless. I mean I'm bathing in 30 different versions of friends right now [stupid time shifting].
It seems that if the satelite companies don't want non-customers to receive service they shouldn't beam to non-customers. Otherwise by a similar exageration of the law can I sue them for tresspassing? I never gave them perission to make the RF energy appear in my house.
I hereby order StarTV to construct an RF shield dome for my house!
Ok I still don't follow this. My original point was that stupid people get most of the virii. I've ran win95,98,2k,xp and I've never had a virus.
My point is if you migrate stupid windows users to linux they'll still get virii. Maybe the virii won't own the system but will be able to run as the user and still mass email itself out.
How many windows virii make any use of privileged code anyways? Most read *your* address book and then spam people. You can do the same in linux without being root. So really I don't see the "oh insecure windows".
More like insecure ISP for forwarding executable attachments.
The reason windows gets infected with virii is because windows users are complete and utter fucking morons.
I routinely get 100s of virii sent to my email box a day [the price I pay for posting my email address in usenet] and I've never been infected once despite the fact I used to use MSIE for everything for the longest time [I use Moz in WinXP now].
This connection that windows is inherently vulnerable is just pathetic. Idiot linux users running as root can do just as much damage.
You can do the same with PocketNES for the Gameboy Advance...
In fact the only thing I "play" on my GBA is my ebook reader [stored 63 or so full length texts from project guttenberg in 20MB] and 8MB of NES games:-)
That's what he gets for catering to idiots. If the editors used a modicum of restraint and insight when picking stories the readers here wouldn't post nonsense for kicks.
I'm trying to save bandwidth for people. By putting all of the stupid conistent/. replies into one there is no need for others to chime in their pathetic feeble attempts at something new and original.
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No, a theif deprives [for any non-zero amount of time] someone of possesion of their property.
A copyright infringer, infringes on the rights of a copyright holder to control the distribution of their product [be it music, written word, motion picture, etc].
You can infringe the rights of a copyright holder without actually depriving them of their property. For example, taping radio and selling the tapes. You didn't steal the audio since by the mere fact of broadcasting it you are entitled to be in possesion of it.
So smartass, while I'm not a lawyer I suggest you touch up on your technical quipps.
Tom
What is funny is that in my OP I wasn't trying to spell incorrectly on purpose...
...
Hehehe, I guess it pays to proof read
Muhahahahaha
Tom
oh yeah of course.
Thought technically he is not a theif. He was a "conspiracy to commit copyright infringement"er.
Tom
Meh, but he didn't.
You americans are going to outlaw everything and eventually only businesses will have freedom.
The solution: Become a corporate entity so you can still live "free"
Tom
Society is better for it only because TV is so horribly devoid of any actual educational value and inteligence that it sets back the average adult about 10 or so grades.
Tom
"It isn't technologically feasible for them to beam solely to subscribers and non-subscribers"
Is exactly my point. The technology is flawed. I mean if I mailed a book to everyone in the US just because sorting addresses is too hard can I sue you for reading the book?
*They* beam data into *my* house. Tough cookies if I examine it.
Tom
Since when is decrypting a signal illegal? I don't see that in the canadian criminal code and I doubt its in the american one too.
The OP point was you can legally own a decoder though some argue you cannot legally operate it without a license [I'd argue the opposite].
Just like you can legally own a cell scanner, operate it, but you cannot use the info to defraud people.
You have to actually *commit* a crime before you arrest people. Otherwise you wind up on the slippery slope where kitchen knifes are all tools of murderers.
The real crime is: Attempt to point out flaws in a overly flawed market [re: satelite tv].
Last time I checked "decrypting" data is not illegal. Also don't you have physically touch someones property before you can "steal" it? [directed to the coalition against satelite piracy].
Get it fucking right you noobs, its copyright infringement not theft! Though one could argue the satelite companies are beaming the signal to your house without your permission so they're violating your rights [trespass]!!!
Tom
See what I don't get is why people don't question satelite tv in the first place.
I mean with Cable at least you have to *physically* hookup to their drop boxes [re: their property]. That at least counts as theft of services.
But with satelite they beam the RF to your house regardless. I mean I'm bathing in 30 different versions of friends right now [stupid time shifting].
It seems that if the satelite companies don't want non-customers to receive service they shouldn't beam to non-customers. Otherwise by a similar exageration of the law can I sue them for tresspassing? I never gave them perission to make the RF energy appear in my house.
I hereby order StarTV to construct an RF shield dome for my house!
Tom
So Intel released hardware with features disabled...hmm sounds like their usual [i487] tactics...
Boo Intel...
You fail chemistry?
What do you get when you burn hydrogen....
Gah?
Ok I still don't follow this. My original point was that stupid people get most of the virii. I've ran win95,98,2k,xp and I've never had a virus.
My point is if you migrate stupid windows users to linux they'll still get virii. Maybe the virii won't own the system but will be able to run as the user and still mass email itself out.
How many windows virii make any use of privileged code anyways? Most read *your* address book and then spam people. You can do the same in linux without being root. So really I don't see the "oh insecure windows".
More like insecure ISP for forwarding executable attachments.
Tom
Gah?
You can run as not root?
Holy shit!
Only x posts and slashdotted! Must be running their site on product "A".
...
Imagine a beowolf cluster of item "B", on a "C".
Just wait till the RIAA hears about this! and/or Just wait till the MPAA sees this! and/or Just wait till the **AA hears and/or sees this!
Something SCO would do....Or Sue! Sue! call SCO
BSD is dying, only a few million users left!
Oh and MS knows security like they know open competition.
I used Mozilla once!
1. Action "D"
2. ???
3. Result "E"
MS sucks. or MSFT sucks. or Microsoft sucks. or Micro$oft sucks or Micro$loth sucks.
Linux has a far superior kitch factor.
I'm going to patent patenting. I'm going to patent the wheel, air, fire, water, item "F". Quick hide it from bezos.
I'm going to sue for violating my first post (patent|copyright).
Check my l33t signature!
Accomplishing goal L: Cost "G". Accomplishing goal M: Cost "H", for everything else there is item "I".
Something, something, something, private part [giggle like the school child you are], something, something, something.
something, other, something, Natalie Portman, something
Boochicka wowwow, something, hot grits and person "J", who may or not be Natalie Portman
Some guys widespread anus [goatse.cx]
In Soviet Russia, Item "J" does "K" to YOU!
Apple R0xx0rs!
Apple Sucks!
Kde!
Gnome!
Amigas aren't dead!
Polling:
[options a-g]
h. [unable to participate] you insensitive clod!
i. [cowboy neal poll option]
all your "L" are belong to "M"
Stop drawing this parallel.
The reason windows gets infected with virii is because windows users are complete and utter fucking morons.
I routinely get 100s of virii sent to my email box a day [the price I pay for posting my email address in usenet] and I've never been infected once despite the fact I used to use MSIE for everything for the longest time [I use Moz in WinXP now].
This connection that windows is inherently vulnerable is just pathetic. Idiot linux users running as root can do just as much damage.
Tom
When I did own an NES I had like 15 carts or so. So what I pirated them... shhh.. actually no I bought them recently...
oh shut up.
Tom
You can do the same with PocketNES for the Gameboy Advance...
:-)
In fact the only thing I "play" on my GBA is my ebook reader [stored 63 or so full length texts from project guttenberg in 20MB] and 8MB of NES games
Is that the point though?
For all intents and purposes I could argue that GNU invented C since GCC is so popular.
I thought the point was that MS put in a "modded" java and newbiews couldn't
a) tell MS java was there
and
b) there was an alternative.
Tom
Find 10 suits who know the diff between MS and SUN Java and I'll give you 100$ [subject to my approval]
Tom
My guess is
:-)
"mod -1, redundant"
That's what he gets for catering to idiots. If the editors used a modicum of restraint and insight when picking stories the readers here wouldn't post nonsense for kicks.
Only x posts and slashdotted! Must be running their site on product "A".
...
Imagine a beowolf cluster of item "B", on a "C".
Just wait till the RIAA hears about this! and/or Just wait till the MPAA sees this! and/or Just wait till the **AA hears and/or sees this!
Something SCO would do....Or Sue! Sue! call SCO
BSD is dying, only a few million users left!
Oh and MS knows security like they know open competition.
I used Mozilla once!
1. Action "D"
2. ???
3. Result "E"
MS sucks. or MSFT sucks. or Microsoft sucks. or Micro$oft sucks or Micro$loth sucks.
Linux has a far superior kitch factor.
I'm going to patent patenting. I'm going to patent the wheel, air, fire, water, item "F". Quick hide it from bezos.
I'm going to sue for violating my first post (patent|copyright).
Check my l33t signature!
Accomplishing goal L: Cost "G". Accomplishing goal M: Cost "H", for everything else there is item "I".
Something, something, something, private part [giggle like the school child you are], something, something, something.
something, other, something, Natalie Portman, something
Boochicka wowwow, something, hot grits and person "J", who may or not be Natalie Portman
Some guys widespread anus [goatse.cx]
In Soviet Russia, Item "J" does "K" to YOU!
Apple R0xx0rs!
Apple Sucks!
Kde!
Gnome!
Amigas aren't dead!
Polling:
[options a-g]
h. [unable to participate] you insensitive clod!
i. [cowboy neal poll option]
all your "L" are belong to "M"
Only x posts and slashdotted! Must be running their site on product "A".
...
Imagine a beowolf cluster of item "B", on a "C".
Just wait till the RIAA hears about this! and/or Just wait till the MPAA sees this! and/or Just wait till the **AA hears and/or sees this!
Something SCO would do....Or Sue! Sue! call SCO
BSD is dying, only a few million users left!
Oh and MS knows security like they know open competition.
I used Mozilla once!
1. Action "D"
2. ???
3. Result "E"
MS sucks. or MSFT sucks. or Microsoft sucks. or Micro$oft sucks or Micro$loth sucks.
Linux has a far superior kitch factor.
I'm going to patent patenting. I'm going to patent the wheel, air, fire, water, item "F". Quick hide it from bezos.
I'm going to sue for violating my first post (patent|copyright).
Check my l33t signature!
Accomplishing goal L: Cost "G". Accomplishing goal M: Cost "H", for everything else there is item "I".
Something, something, something, private part [giggle like the school child you are], something, something, something.
something, other, something, Natalie Portman, something
Boochicka wowwow, something, hot grits and person "J", who may or not be Natalie Portman
Some guys widespread anus [goatse.cx]
In Soviet Russia, Item "J" does "K" to YOU!
Apple R0xx0rs!
Apple Sucks!
Kde!
Gnome!
Amigas aren't dead!
Polling:
[options a-g]
h. [unable to participate] you insensitive clod!
i. [cowboy neal poll option]
wouldn't that get messily recursive though?
J.S
I'm trying to save bandwidth for people. By putting all of the stupid conistent /. replies into one there is no need for others to chime in their pathetic feeble attempts at something new and original.
I'm always looking out for the man, uh, man!
J. Shaft.
no no... too obvious...
John S.
Only x posts and slashdotted! Must be running their site on product "A".
...
Imagine a beowolf cluster of item "B", on a "C".
Just wait till the RIAA hears about this! and/or Just wait till the MPAA sees this! and/or Just wait till the **AA hears and/or sees this!
Something SCO would do....Or Sue! Sue! call SCO
BSD is dying, only a few million users left!
Oh and MS knows security like they know open competition.
I used Mozilla once!
1. Action "D"
2. ???
3. Result "E"
MS sucks. or MSFT sucks. or Microsoft sucks. or Micro$oft sucks or Micro$loth sucks.
Linux has a far superior kitch factor.
I'm going to patent patenting. I'm going to patent the wheel, air, fire, water, item "F". Quick hide it from bezos.
I'm going to sue for violating my first post (patent|copyright).
Check my l33t signature!
Accomplishing goal L: Cost "G". Accomplishing goal M: Cost "H", for everything else there is item "I".
Something, something, something, private part [giggle like the school child you are], something, something, something.
something, other, something, Natalie Portman, something
Boochicka wowwow, something, hot grits and person "J", who may or not be Natalie Portman
Some guys widespread anus [goatse.cx]
In Soviet Russia, Item "J" does "K" to YOU!
Apple R0xx0rs!
Apple Sucks!
Kde!
Gnome!
Amigas aren't dead!
Polling:
[options a-g]
h. [unable to participate] you insensitive clod!
i. [cowboy neal poll option]