Total anarchy helps nobody. Even if you use the BSD license, you still say who gets to distribute your software and who doesn't.
That's a subjective line there. You may dislike proprietary software, but if that provides 10, 20, 50, 100, 1000s of jobs, chances are even if 1% of them do something on their ownright [with the security afforded them by their employment] then hey that's alright.
So what were you saying about a cause and hippies?
I distribute my software because I love working on it [coding, debuging, optimizing, maintaining, documenting] and I want to share that with the world. I set up myself a set of principles that have served me well.
I don't get to pick my users
I receive no compensation for my work (though I do accept gifts, I don't demand them)
My users do not dictate the direction of the projects
Part of not being able to choose my users means I must choose a license (in my case I release as public domain) that doesn't exclude a group of users based on their commercial or personal requirements. It has to be a "free" license so that my users do not have to compensate me. But I took #2 further and said they don't even have to give me credit for the work. And finally my users don't get to choose what my projects become. I work on them because I want to. I accept bug reports/fixes and new ideas, but ultimately the decision is mine whether I use them.
This isn't saying I don't like receiving stuff. I had part of my college tuition paid for by my users (for instance). I just don't make it a requirement. I also don't hold my users hostage over it too. I put in wicked cool features/optimizations not seen in any other library because I like studying the subject, not because I'm being compensated by fame or fortune.
Unfortunately, there is a [growing] minority of OSS developers who only want the resume stuffer that comes along with working on an "OSS project". Few OSS projects are properly maintained or documented. Most of the well maintained libraries are organized by OSS developers who are in their 30s, 40s, and 50s.
I've yet to meet any teenager or 20s OSS developer who really took a liking to writing documentation for instance...
All I'm saying is if you wrote the software to be truly free you'd not use the GPL. GPL is nice, but it's not free in the sense RMS claims.
Part of being a magnanimous participant in the OSS movement means supporting people you don't like.
I personally hate DRM and proprietary software. I hate it a lot. But I'll let them use my software just the same. I wrote it to be out there and used [because I think for the most part it does more good than harm and the stuff is of high quality].
If I were to sit down and pick and choose who is "free" to use my software, it ain't free no more is it?
See that's the difference. You write software to prop up a cause. I write software to solve problems and have the software out there.
More often than not, a lot of my fixes come from users who stick my software in places you can't even imagine (from IPMI controllers, DSL modems, video games, etc...). Their improvements make it into the public domain code which benefits everyone (even GPL/BSD hippies).
I don't write my software to make GNU or FSF more popular. To me, free means just that. Free. As in, fuck off with your "this is what you can do with my software, but it's free" bullshit.
It's not free, it's just "more accessible". Freeer is probably a more correct term. Heck you get to keep the acronym FSF!
I never really found a use for SUSE before, still haven't now. I use Gentoo. About as far off that I'll go is Fedora, and even then it's only for work. That RMS approves of it, or that it fits with GPLv3 doesn't really matter. RMS doesn't use SUSE. Why does he care?
While I'm all for the FSF and what not, the GPL is just one of many licenses you can choose while supporting the notion of "free software." The BSD license also grants you the same four freedoms that is
0 right to use as you see fit 1 right to share 2 right to modify 3 right to share modifications
OMG, wow, and the BSD license is less anal than the GPL (because frankly, there are commercial interests out there, and the purpose of writing free software is to make free software available, at least that's my goal).
Of course I use the public domain as my release vehicle. Frankly, I couldn't care less if people proprietarize my code. I wrote it so people could use it.
See that's one of those little things that piss me off.
It's ILLEGAL to speed to pass a car. That is, if a dude is doing 95 in a 100, and you have to do 120 to pass him [to avoid say, a head on collision] you've actually broken the law. This is mostly because the law, at least in Ontario, makes no exception for speeding while passing [otherwise you'd be free to do 160km/h while "passing"].
So the only time you should be passing cars is if they're driving too slow for the conditions (e.g. a moving violation), part of an accident/response, or are exiting the road.
Technically... you shouldn't *drive* in the left-lane no matter what speed you're doing. It's for passing and turning only.
That said, the speed limit guys are not causing the "danger" it's the asshats who speed. It's like saying you're causing a drive-by hazard by standing on a sidewalk in L.A...
Frankly, most people are just careless drivers who speed because they're not paying attention to what they're doing. If it truly were about saving a few mins they'd just leave a few mins earlier. Most people just "follow" traffic and don't look at their spedometer. Well shame on you. If the dude in front of me is doing 100 in an 80, good for him, I'll do 80 in the 80.
The first week I was driving to work, I did open up a bit and did 100 on the way home (km/h not mi/h). Took basically the same length of time, got stopped at the same sets of lights, etc. I stick to 80 now because it's safer [and the law...]. Only thing I look at the rear view when I'm driving for is emergency vehicles. The rest of the population can make all the faces and gestures they want.
No, my point is Microsoft [and the ilk] make it too easy to get people in trouble.
What's that? FreePartyPoker.net? All I have to do is download some random.exe from a server I've never seen before and run it as my DEFAULT ROOT USER? Awesome! [hint: most free poker games are spyware ridden... and why aren't they just Java applications anyways?]
So MSFT obliges them, running as root to avoid those pesky "user privilege escalation" prompts, ActiveX scripts and downloads (which the stupid users with no training automatically install "to enhance their experience"), HTML and attachments in email (hint: email should be limited to text imho), etc, etc.
It's like lacing your candy with crack because people want to be high. Well that's great and all, except that crack has negative and long lasting impacts, other than destroying your health, it's also addictive. Similarly, people are insecure with their Windows PC but they're addicted to the "modern age" of computing.
The difference in the OSS world is most projects don't cow-tow to the whims of every random user, because, well frankly, most random users don't know shit about computing and couldn't tell a secure idea from an insecure one.
That's because Windows is so "user friendly." Unfortunately, what most users want to do with their computers is TOTALLY INSECURE.
This of course doesn't help the remote exploits, buffer overflos [in file formats] and other problems that are totally native to MS [and go unfix for random amounts of time]. Not that bugs don't happen in the OSS world, but they tend to be fixed faster, and a larger portion of OSS users are more aware of secure computing practices [e.g. not running as root, not opening every f'ing attachment, not running IE...].
If people just learned thing one about their computers they wouldn't be such easy pray for every script kiddie asshat loser troll with a cause.
And of course, folk like MSFT are just all too happy to oblige their ignorance.
I may be a relatively new driver, but the number of driving violations I witness on my drive (of 12 mins) to work could keep any small town well provided for in ticket revenue.
Old people are particularly bad though as they get into that rut of "I've been driving for 113 years, it's my right!" and then proceed to break every rule there is out there. Younger people are not really any better, but at least they're less entitled.
And my biggest pass time is driving the speed limit in the right-hand lane. The amount of people that infuriates is amazing. Especially since they proceed to then cut me off. The reason I drive the limit [other than it's the law] is that I'm a new driver and I need more space to drive safely. Them cutting me off doesn't solve the problem:-)
Anyways, point is if you're too fragile to open a door (hint: springs) or survive -6C weather, chances are you shouldn't be driving a car. You need more muscle than that and frankly if you get stranded you're just wolf food. Sorry if that offends people but it's also common sense. I imagine if I went blind I probably wouldn't feel entitled to drive just because "I had a license at one point." Grow old gracefully and with dignity, not behind the wheel of a car doing 30 under the limit swirving in and out of lanes.
Would it be so hard to have a button and a fucking wire? It's not like the radio signals are encrypted or anything, so the only thing it does is make your life a bit simpler... big deal.
Better yet, put a keypad and a simple 3-4 digit code. That'll keep the stupid neighbourhood kids out AND let you open the door without all the strain of "sliding a door open" [which unless you're ADA you should be able to do if you're a driver...]
Well given that essentially 99% of all cars in my neighbourhood are parked on the street (even though they have driveways the lazy bastards) I'd say this isn't really a problem.
If you're the type that owns a $50,000 sports car of some sort, you can afford to put a KEY LOCK on your garage door and MOVE ON with your life.
If you're driving the typical rusted out shitbox car that is hardly street legal (e.g. most of Ottawa) then you need not worry about it.
I'd rather an Opteron for HPC than an Intel box anyday.
For "gaming" and other 1337 chores, I guess the Intel box is the winner. But really until Intel figures out this "not use the FSB" approach they can kiss my HPC using ass good bye.
[and this is coming from a dude who loves his Core 2 Duo workstation...]
Adults may use them to learn to read, count etc. The web browser may even be generic enough for those purposes. But that's about the end of it.
The OS and desktop provided are NOT general purpose.
That said, the intended use is for kids, not adults. "one laptop per child." So it makes sense to make a laptop a child could use. Hint: children are the intended users.
I don't see where "geekyness" comes into the picture. Here's a person who has not to worry about money for her entire life. And what does she do with it? Schooling? Charity? Positive projects of her own? No. Instead she wastes her time as a "party goer" and general all around town whore.
Well, I know complete white trash that can do that, and their yearly income is probably less than what she spends on crack in a weekend....
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That's a subjective line there. You may dislike proprietary software, but if that provides 10, 20, 50, 100, 1000s of jobs, chances are even if 1% of them do something on their ownright [with the security afforded them by their employment] then hey that's alright.
So what were you saying about a cause and hippies?
I distribute my software because I love working on it [coding, debuging, optimizing, maintaining, documenting] and I want to share that with the world. I set up myself a set of principles that have served me well.
Part of not being able to choose my users means I must choose a license (in my case I release as public domain) that doesn't exclude a group of users based on their commercial or personal requirements. It has to be a "free" license so that my users do not have to compensate me. But I took #2 further and said they don't even have to give me credit for the work. And finally my users don't get to choose what my projects become. I work on them because I want to. I accept bug reports/fixes and new ideas, but ultimately the decision is mine whether I use them.
This isn't saying I don't like receiving stuff. I had part of my college tuition paid for by my users (for instance). I just don't make it a requirement. I also don't hold my users hostage over it too. I put in wicked cool features/optimizations not seen in any other library because I like studying the subject, not because I'm being compensated by fame or fortune.
Unfortunately, there is a [growing] minority of OSS developers who only want the resume stuffer that comes along with working on an "OSS project". Few OSS projects are properly maintained or documented. Most of the well maintained libraries are organized by OSS developers who are in their 30s, 40s, and 50s.
I've yet to meet any teenager or 20s OSS developer who really took a liking to writing documentation for instance...
Tom
All I'm saying is if you wrote the software to be truly free you'd not use the GPL. GPL is nice, but it's not free in the sense RMS claims.
Part of being a magnanimous participant in the OSS movement means supporting people you don't like.
I personally hate DRM and proprietary software. I hate it a lot. But I'll let them use my software just the same. I wrote it to be out there and used [because I think for the most part it does more good than harm and the stuff is of high quality].
If I were to sit down and pick and choose who is "free" to use my software, it ain't free no more is it?
Tom
See that's the difference. You write software to prop up a cause. I write software to solve problems and have the software out there.
More often than not, a lot of my fixes come from users who stick my software in places you can't even imagine (from IPMI controllers, DSL modems, video games, etc...). Their improvements make it into the public domain code which benefits everyone (even GPL/BSD hippies).
I don't write my software to make GNU or FSF more popular. To me, free means just that. Free. As in, fuck off with your "this is what you can do with my software, but it's free" bullshit.
It's not free, it's just "more accessible". Freeer is probably a more correct term. Heck you get to keep the acronym FSF!
Tom
Failed.
I never really found a use for SUSE before, still haven't now. I use Gentoo. About as far off that I'll go is Fedora, and even then it's only for work. That RMS approves of it, or that it fits with GPLv3 doesn't really matter. RMS doesn't use SUSE. Why does he care?
While I'm all for the FSF and what not, the GPL is just one of many licenses you can choose while supporting the notion of "free software." The BSD license also grants you the same four freedoms that is
0 right to use as you see fit
1 right to share
2 right to modify
3 right to share modifications
OMG, wow, and the BSD license is less anal than the GPL (because frankly, there are commercial interests out there, and the purpose of writing free software is to make free software available, at least that's my goal).
Of course I use the public domain as my release vehicle. Frankly, I couldn't care less if people proprietarize my code. I wrote it so people could use it.
Tom
See that's one of those little things that piss me off.
It's ILLEGAL to speed to pass a car. That is, if a dude is doing 95 in a 100, and you have to do 120 to pass him [to avoid say, a head on collision] you've actually broken the law. This is mostly because the law, at least in Ontario, makes no exception for speeding while passing [otherwise you'd be free to do 160km/h while "passing"].
So the only time you should be passing cars is if they're driving too slow for the conditions (e.g. a moving violation), part of an accident/response, or are exiting the road.
Tom
Technically... you shouldn't *drive* in the left-lane no matter what speed you're doing. It's for passing and turning only.
That said, the speed limit guys are not causing the "danger" it's the asshats who speed. It's like saying you're causing a drive-by hazard by standing on a sidewalk in L.A...
Frankly, most people are just careless drivers who speed because they're not paying attention to what they're doing. If it truly were about saving a few mins they'd just leave a few mins earlier. Most people just "follow" traffic and don't look at their spedometer. Well shame on you. If the dude in front of me is doing 100 in an 80, good for him, I'll do 80 in the 80.
The first week I was driving to work, I did open up a bit and did 100 on the way home (km/h not mi/h). Took basically the same length of time, got stopped at the same sets of lights, etc. I stick to 80 now because it's safer [and the law...]. Only thing I look at the rear view when I'm driving for is emergency vehicles. The rest of the population can make all the faces and gestures they want.
Tom
No, my point is Microsoft [and the ilk] make it too easy to get people in trouble.
.exe from a server I've never seen before and run it as my DEFAULT ROOT USER? Awesome! [hint: most free poker games are spyware ridden ... and why aren't they just Java applications anyways?]
What's that? FreePartyPoker.net? All I have to do is download some random
So MSFT obliges them, running as root to avoid those pesky "user privilege escalation" prompts, ActiveX scripts and downloads (which the stupid users with no training automatically install "to enhance their experience"), HTML and attachments in email (hint: email should be limited to text imho), etc, etc.
It's like lacing your candy with crack because people want to be high. Well that's great and all, except that crack has negative and long lasting impacts, other than destroying your health, it's also addictive. Similarly, people are insecure with their Windows PC but they're addicted to the "modern age" of computing.
The difference in the OSS world is most projects don't cow-tow to the whims of every random user, because, well frankly, most random users don't know shit about computing and couldn't tell a secure idea from an insecure one.
Tom
That's because Windows is so "user friendly." Unfortunately, what most users want to do with their computers is TOTALLY INSECURE.
This of course doesn't help the remote exploits, buffer overflos [in file formats] and other problems that are totally native to MS [and go unfix for random amounts of time]. Not that bugs don't happen in the OSS world, but they tend to be fixed faster, and a larger portion of OSS users are more aware of secure computing practices [e.g. not running as root, not opening every f'ing attachment, not running IE...].
If people just learned thing one about their computers they wouldn't be such easy pray for every script kiddie asshat loser troll with a cause.
And of course, folk like MSFT are just all too happy to oblige their ignorance.
Tom
Bah, I'm an equal player hater.
:-)
I may be a relatively new driver, but the number of driving violations I witness on my drive (of 12 mins) to work could keep any small town well provided for in ticket revenue.
Old people are particularly bad though as they get into that rut of "I've been driving for 113 years, it's my right!" and then proceed to break every rule there is out there. Younger people are not really any better, but at least they're less entitled.
And my biggest pass time is driving the speed limit in the right-hand lane. The amount of people that infuriates is amazing. Especially since they proceed to then cut me off. The reason I drive the limit [other than it's the law] is that I'm a new driver and I need more space to drive safely. Them cutting me off doesn't solve the problem
Anyways, point is if you're too fragile to open a door (hint: springs) or survive -6C weather, chances are you shouldn't be driving a car. You need more muscle than that and frankly if you get stranded you're just wolf food. Sorry if that offends people but it's also common sense. I imagine if I went blind I probably wouldn't feel entitled to drive just because "I had a license at one point." Grow old gracefully and with dignity, not behind the wheel of a car doing 30 under the limit swirving in and out of lanes.
Tom
yes, yes, your anguish sustains me.
Tom
You're pricks.
/. and in usenet).
Nothing positive or lasting will come out of trolling (and yes: this means you anonymous asshats on
So why not be part of a winning team and stop script kiddie'ing around from your parents basement.
Sincerely,
The Rest of the Human Race.
Park in the driveway?
If you're so fragile that 20F weather is "deadly" then you shouldn't be driving. What if your car dies in the middle of a country road? You're fucked.
Hint: put a fucking coat on.
Tom
Would it be so hard to have a button and a fucking wire? It's not like the radio signals are encrypted or anything, so the only thing it does is make your life a bit simpler... big deal.
Better yet, put a keypad and a simple 3-4 digit code. That'll keep the stupid neighbourhood kids out AND let you open the door without all the strain of "sliding a door open" [which unless you're ADA you should be able to do if you're a driver...]
Tom
Well given that essentially 99% of all cars in my neighbourhood are parked on the street (even though they have driveways the lazy bastards) I'd say this isn't really a problem.
If you're the type that owns a $50,000 sports car of some sort, you can afford to put a KEY LOCK on your garage door and MOVE ON with your life.
If you're driving the typical rusted out shitbox car that is hardly street legal (e.g. most of Ottawa) then you need not worry about it.
Tom
Well, gentlemen, we know who here has a garage door opener. :-)
LOL.
Tom
Ahhhhhh puppy...
Big fucking deal. Open your door manually. Boo fucking hoo.
I have a hard time really caring about this story or the people it affects.
Tom
Lame though...
I'd rather an Opteron for HPC than an Intel box anyday.
For "gaming" and other 1337 chores, I guess the Intel box is the winner. But really until Intel figures out this "not use the FSB" approach they can kiss my HPC using ass good bye.
[and this is coming from a dude who loves his Core 2 Duo workstation...]
Tom
He probably sold the virtual-wares to Japanese people while IN JAPAN.
Tom
Hours of staring at a screen without proper exercise or diet leading to fatigue?
:-)
Besides, CRTs blast more energy into your skull than wifi. We should ban old monitors and TVs
Tom
Adults may use them to learn to read, count etc. The web browser may even be generic enough for those purposes. But that's about the end of it.
The OS and desktop provided are NOT general purpose.
That said, the intended use is for kids, not adults. "one laptop per child." So it makes sense to make a laptop a child could use. Hint: children are the intended users.
Tom
Family laptops are bigger [e.g. what we're used to], usually kept safe by the adults. These are smaller and meant to be used solely by kids.
Tom
All you have to do is shunt the power to a secondary plasma relay and then the induction coils will shut down normally.
... this isn't Star Trek?
Oh wait
Tom
And if the person you convince to commit violence is a minor? Mentally retarded (which includes a mob)?
Tom
Hilton = shallow vain empty whore.
I don't see where "geekyness" comes into the picture. Here's a person who has not to worry about money for her entire life. And what does she do with it? Schooling? Charity? Positive projects of her own? No. Instead she wastes her time as a "party goer" and general all around town whore.
Well, I know complete white trash that can do that, and their yearly income is probably less than what she spends on crack in a weekend....
Tom
That out of all the women in the world for geekyness they had a cartoon character and hilton ... [who's SIDEKICK was hacked, not blackberry].
Tom