I'm afraid to ask what a Lim is... On second thought, I don't want to know. I've been lucky enough to not have it forced at me in pseudo news stories.
Letting them all go for a leisurely stroll on the moon doesn't sound like a half bad idea.
Atmospheric pressure of 10^-7 Pa. Day/Night temperature range of 107C to -153C. They'd survive for... well... NASA estimates up to 15 seconds of consciousness with no chance of recovery after about 1.5 minutes.
It'd make for a very short reality show. Of course, they way they do repeated shots, they could probably stretch each one out for several episodes.
I wonder if it'll be a NASA channel exclusive, or if they'll syndicate it to all the networks.:)
It also means that human colonies in other solar systems may be more plausible than it currently seems.
I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. We haven't even done the baby steps of having a human walk on the next planet. We stopped all that with the "we walked on our satellite", which hasn't even been repeated for decades. The idea of doing that again is met by a resounding "Meh..." and is buried under an avalanche of tweets and Facebook posts about arbitrary pseudo-celebrities. More people can tell you who Honey Boo Boo, Kim Kardashian, and Snooki are, than can name more than two men who walked on the freaking moon.
My dad started teaching me to shoot when I was about 8 years old. He handed me his favorite weapon, and instructed me on how to do it right. It was a US Gov't issue Colt 1911.45.
It took me a few tries to hit accurately, but at least the first few were close. The only thing that's ever "hit me in the head" was the brass after ejecting.
It was a while before I shot a 44 magnum. I still haven't had a chance to fire a.50 AE nor.50 BMG, nor any of the legendary elephant guns. I learned a Springfield 03A3 (heavy rifle, steel butt plate) will leave a nasty bruise, no matter how well you hold it, unless you have a padded shooting jacket.
But back to his story... As an 8 year old, I could handle a.45,.38, and.357. Either he had a shit instructor, or has the strength of a 5 year old girl.:)
Actually, if it were true, and if the unicorn DNA were tested and shown to not be a horse with a dildo strapped to it's head, it would be news.
North Korea has a running trend of wild claims. This one just reinforces their place as "the nation no one believes".
As a group, they are holding the #1 position in the Batshit Crazy Olympics. The only competition even close are conspiracy theorists, and they're a distant second. They'll have to come up with something much nuttier than the emperor's unicorn farm. So far all the best they have are Aliens, UFOs, the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy, contrails, NWO, GMOs, 9/11 myths, and lizard aliens...
Yes my friends.. The mythical unicorn farm ranks far over lizard aliens. Now, stop taking your court ordered meds, and come up with something better than *that*.
Well, mine aren't too bad. I already knew the explosives. I don't care to know how to cook drugs. The only thing I looked up was his source of ammonium nitrate. I was really surprised that it was correct.
I spoke with someone who is a chemist (like scientist, not drug manufacturer), and he said other than leaving a few things out, it was very accurate. I noticed the same with the explosives. Some key piece was left out.
No, it's that Slashdot has gone the way of all other mainstream media. If it involves any piece of technology, it falls into that mysterious "tech" category. Oohh, high tech, they used not one but *two* browsers. Someone in the house searched that intertube thing for something. They even used it to send private messages like "what r u up 2?" She must have been conspiring with the illumanti to distract from [some other bigger BS conspiracy]. It's the NWO washing your brain...
I'm sorry, I can't continue. It's hard to lower myself to that level of stupidity. It hurts.
I search for a lot of things, because I don't know everything. When we're watching a TV show, I may do a quick search to see how plausible a portrayed scenario is.
Who's to say that someone else in the home did or didn't search for something else. Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes it's just a coincidence.
Based on what came out about how the whole thing was handled, it doesn't sound like the murder was very organized. I'd find it hard to believe that she did any sort of in-depth research on how to do it, based on the result. We're only getting a snapshot of what was searched for. One item of thousands. If the other surrounding searches were related to suicide, then it portrays a grieving mother (or other family member) looking for a foolproof way to end their own life.
But hey, she was convicted by the media long before it went to trial, why not take everything as proof the courts are wrong.
Well, I'd have to assume that an ICBM sometime after it's apogee, will be armed and ready. I would assume there would be a contingency plan for the warhead being intercepted, even if it was to crash into an aircraft or "weather balloon" on the way down.
The accidental releases of nuclear weapons (there have been a few) were all in the unarmed state. The worst accident that happened, that I can recall, is the conventional explosive exploded. The nuclear reaction never took place. See the January 17, 1966 Palomares incident.
As I understand it, the ideal detonation is not at ground level, but a few miles high. The EMP should be catastrophic to any electronics within a huge radius. The shockwave is massive, and the resulting fallout will spread further.
That's not to say any nuclear weapon use is "ideal". In the 1940's, there was no risk of a counter attack. Now? It would be a world wide disaster. M.A.D. and all that.
So, to try to stay on topic...:) The Iron Dome wouldn't do anything against an ICBM, mostly because that isn't what it's designed for. No one is admittedly targeting Israel with ICBMs. Their concern is relatively short range conventional weapons.
What would you consider to be a proportional response?
That's where I'm confused to people's responses.
You neutralize the threat.
If someone is launching rockets from Point A, towards your Point B. You return fire at Point A.
The launchers are destroyed. Any more rockets at that site are destroyed. The people launching those rockets are destroyed. There may be civilian casualties at Point A, but they can be assumed to be colluding with the attacker(s).
The weapons operators of Point B (Israel) have sufficient technology to do this without missing wildly.
The American (United States, for those confused about the usage in this context) response typically misses wildly.
Follow the Richard Reid attempt with his shoe, the American response was that all domestic passengers have to pass their shoes through X-ray.
The idea that a binary explosive could be held in common liquid containers has resulted in all liquid containers greater than 3.4 oz are forbidden from flights.
And the terrorist attacks of 2001 resulted in two wars against nations that were only thought to have had involvement.
It could be said that we aren't very good at proportional response. It could be said that we are very *bad* at it.
Yup, large mortars is on the list.. Anything of a substantial enough size can be tracked and fired upon. What's the difference between a missile still flying after it's fuel has run out, and a mortar or other artillery piece flying where the fuel only existed in the launcher? Not much, outside of classification. They're both capable of doing damage when they hit.
Let me highlight a bit of fact here, that you did not find out in actual research discussing it with military people who would have clarified.
No, it's more of, I didn't bother to spend much time looking this time. The details are available, I just didn't spend a lot of time looking this time.
It's not about the flight path at all - I doubt they predict based on flight path, or the intercept process would fail routinely just due to wind variations.
You're partially right. They can't only look at the initial flight path, and fire the intercept at where it is predicted to be. They won't fire against one that will land harmlessly, based on it's predicted path. Since the target is unguided, they know it won't be making any sort of drastic course corrections. To make the final intercept, it has to use something to actually get close enough to damage it. I'd hope for $50k per intercept missile, there's something resembling guidance to intercept. Again, I'm not going to look for the method they're using, because I just don't feel like spending any time looking.
I'm not really concerned of either case.:) I worry more about the 2 to 6 ton barely guided weapons in use all over the world. They kill more people daily than flying pipe bombs. Yup, drivers scare the shit out of me. I've been hit by a few of *those*.
Speaking of which... In 2011, 384 people died in motor vehicle accidents in Israel. 33,808 died in the US. In 2007, 1.2 million people died world wide in motor vehicle accidents.
When I went hunting for information on the system, I was told that it could take down an RPG. My immediate reaction was, that's impossible. Oddly enough, it can't do it.
I really hope that the Iron Dome system works as advertised, and that it allows cooler heads to prevail. I also hope that the cease fire that was negotiated and announced today succeeds. If either of those fails to happen, it does not bode well.
There are a few things that are givens, based on current and historical behavior. War in the middle east is one of them. They're good at it. They've been doing it forever (as far as living memory provides). They'll keep doing it, because someone will always be pissed at someone else, and it's part of the culture.
It's much like Europe centuries ago. They (mostly) got over it, except for a few rather nasty wars and a globally threatening conflict where no shots were fired.
It's under the title "Iron Dome Helpless Against Qassams" .
I was mistaken on COCOM. It's 1000 knots (1150 mph) or 18,000 meters (59,000 feet). I had read that there was a G limitation of somewhere around 3G, which would (probably) be exceeded at launch.
All I've found on the G limitation is that it is most likely a limitation in the equipment, not a mandated one.
Funny thing.. I was on a long flight a while back. I woke up mid-flight, and had no clue how far we were from the destination. I've learned not to bother ask the flight crew, they never give an accurate number (distance or time). I turned on my automotive GPS, and put it against the window. It took a few minutes, but finally picked up enough satellites. It read something like 65,000 feet. If that was accurate or not (probably not), it should have forced itself into a reset loop.
It's not like an automotive GPS is easily modifiable to use for anything but displaying numbers. I did do it with a USB GPS receiver many years ago, but I don't recall the numbers.
Don't say that too loud, or you'll have DHS or NSA knocking at your door.... and GPS is limited to speed, altitude, and G forces. Look for information on the "COCOM Limits".
The majority of the rockets *are* home made. They have the budget of militant groups, not of a national military.
Sure, they're dangerous if one lands on you, or near enough for the payload to hurt you.
There have been actual military missiles used. They are the minority. I had found the count of missile types launched in the last 10 years, but I can't seem to find it now.
The primary missile it is made to intercept is made of metal. Actually, all the cases that I read about were metal cased missiles, with a very obvious flight path.
Yes, but people generally equate ballistic missiles with ICBMs.
The ones that the Iron Dome is made to work against are relatively short range. I did some research on this after discussing it with some other people. They can basically intercept unguided missiles which cross into Israeli airspace, with a total flight of 3 km to 30 km.
The primary missile it's used to intercept are pretty primitive. Think along the same lines as the kind most readers here would have built out of cardboard from an Estes kit. They use fairly primitive solid fuel, a payload of common or improvised explosives, fins to make it fly sort of straight, and not much else.
Thousands have been launched towards Israel. Dozens have been hurt.
It could work against any number of threats, but I would guess it is best at something with a fairly horizontal trajectory. If it were to intercept something like an ICBM, I would guess the resulting blast would still have the effect the attacker desired.
Nope, it wasn't really a problem. I was in charge of IT. It was there when I started with the company. No one knew the purpose, the purpose of the server it was attached to, nor even the phone number. If it was an OOB access, there was no current employee who knew how to access it.
Don't forget back doors, layoff scripts, and manual tasks that were never documented.
Not every security hole is as obvious as a modem sitting on a rack. But some are. I found one at the last place I worked. Literally a modem sitting on top of a server, in a corner of the server room. No one knew the purpose behind it. I notified the necessary parties (dep't heads), and then unplugged it mid-day Monday. I expected complaints fairly soon after. There were none. Somehow, it had been there for quite a while (judging by the dust). Somehow no one noticed that they were paying for an extra phone line for years.
Slashdot Mirror
Resolution really helps things...
It turned the face on Mars into a collection of rocks.
And more importantly... Porn pictures on computers are no longer fuzzy 16 color images resembling the naked form.. :)
I'm afraid to ask what a Lim is... On second thought, I don't want to know. I've been lucky enough to not have it forced at me in pseudo news stories.
Letting them all go for a leisurely stroll on the moon doesn't sound like a half bad idea.
Atmospheric pressure of 10^-7 Pa. Day/Night temperature range of 107C to -153C. They'd survive for ... well ... NASA estimates up to 15 seconds of consciousness with no chance of recovery after about 1.5 minutes.
It'd make for a very short reality show. Of course, they way they do repeated shots, they could probably stretch each one out for several episodes.
I wonder if it'll be a NASA channel exclusive, or if they'll syndicate it to all the networks. :)
I wouldn't hold your breath on that one. We haven't even done the baby steps of having a human walk on the next planet. We stopped all that with the "we walked on our satellite", which hasn't even been repeated for decades. The idea of doing that again is met by a resounding "Meh..." and is buried under an avalanche of tweets and Facebook posts about arbitrary pseudo-celebrities. More people can tell you who Honey Boo Boo, Kim Kardashian, and Snooki are, than can name more than two men who walked on the freaking moon.
Thor's seemed to work pretty well. Too bad we lost the tech aeons ago.
Really... :)
My dad started teaching me to shoot when I was about 8 years old. He handed me his favorite weapon, and instructed me on how to do it right. It was a US Gov't issue Colt 1911 .45.
It took me a few tries to hit accurately, but at least the first few were close. The only thing that's ever "hit me in the head" was the brass after ejecting.
It was a while before I shot a 44 magnum. I still haven't had a chance to fire a .50 AE nor .50 BMG, nor any of the legendary elephant guns. I learned a Springfield 03A3 (heavy rifle, steel butt plate) will leave a nasty bruise, no matter how well you hold it, unless you have a padded shooting jacket.
But back to his story... As an 8 year old, I could handle a .45, .38, and .357. Either he had a shit instructor, or has the strength of a 5 year old girl. :)
That was a wonderfully constructed batshit crazy. So well done, in fact, that you are clearly not batshit crazy enough to believe it. :)
Actually, if it were true, and if the unicorn DNA were tested and shown to not be a horse with a dildo strapped to it's head, it would be news.
North Korea has a running trend of wild claims. This one just reinforces their place as "the nation no one believes".
As a group, they are holding the #1 position in the Batshit Crazy Olympics. The only competition even close are conspiracy theorists, and they're a distant second. They'll have to come up with something much nuttier than the emperor's unicorn farm. So far all the best they have are Aliens, UFOs, the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy, contrails, NWO, GMOs, 9/11 myths, and lizard aliens...
Yes my friends.. The mythical unicorn farm ranks far over lizard aliens. Now, stop taking your court ordered meds, and come up with something better than *that*.
(hehe, unicorns)
Well, mine aren't too bad. I already knew the explosives. I don't care to know how to cook drugs. The only thing I looked up was his source of ammonium nitrate. I was really surprised that it was correct.
I spoke with someone who is a chemist (like scientist, not drug manufacturer), and he said other than leaving a few things out, it was very accurate. I noticed the same with the explosives. Some key piece was left out.
No, it's that Slashdot has gone the way of all other mainstream media. If it involves any piece of technology, it falls into that mysterious "tech" category. Oohh, high tech, they used not one but *two* browsers. Someone in the house searched that intertube thing for something. They even used it to send private messages like "what r u up 2?" She must have been conspiring with the illumanti to distract from [some other bigger BS conspiracy]. It's the NWO washing your brain...
I'm sorry, I can't continue. It's hard to lower myself to that level of stupidity. It hurts.
That's one of those questionable items....
I search for a lot of things, because I don't know everything. When we're watching a TV show, I may do a quick search to see how plausible a portrayed scenario is.
Who's to say that someone else in the home did or didn't search for something else. Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes it's just a coincidence.
Based on what came out about how the whole thing was handled, it doesn't sound like the murder was very organized. I'd find it hard to believe that she did any sort of in-depth research on how to do it, based on the result. We're only getting a snapshot of what was searched for. One item of thousands. If the other surrounding searches were related to suicide, then it portrays a grieving mother (or other family member) looking for a foolproof way to end their own life.
But hey, she was convicted by the media long before it went to trial, why not take everything as proof the courts are wrong.
You've just described every arms race that has ever happened.
Step 1: You build a better weapon.
Step 2: I building a better weapon to counter it.
Step 3: Go to step 1.
If there's one thing us humans are good at, it's devising more efficient ways to kill each other.
Well, I'd have to assume that an ICBM sometime after it's apogee, will be armed and ready. I would assume there would be a contingency plan for the warhead being intercepted, even if it was to crash into an aircraft or "weather balloon" on the way down.
Please consult the USAF Aircraft Identification Chart for clarification of those terms. :)
The accidental releases of nuclear weapons (there have been a few) were all in the unarmed state. The worst accident that happened, that I can recall, is the conventional explosive exploded. The nuclear reaction never took place. See the January 17, 1966 Palomares incident.
As I understand it, the ideal detonation is not at ground level, but a few miles high. The EMP should be catastrophic to any electronics within a huge radius. The shockwave is massive, and the resulting fallout will spread further.
That's not to say any nuclear weapon use is "ideal". In the 1940's, there was no risk of a counter attack. Now? It would be a world wide disaster. M.A.D. and all that.
So, to try to stay on topic ... :) The Iron Dome wouldn't do anything against an ICBM, mostly because that isn't what it's designed for. No one is admittedly targeting Israel with ICBMs. Their concern is relatively short range conventional weapons.
That's where I'm confused to people's responses.
You neutralize the threat.
If someone is launching rockets from Point A, towards your Point B.
You return fire at Point A.
The launchers are destroyed. Any more rockets at that site are destroyed. The people launching those rockets are destroyed. There may be civilian casualties at Point A, but they can be assumed to be colluding with the attacker(s).
The weapons operators of Point B (Israel) have sufficient technology to do this without missing wildly.
The American (United States, for those confused about the usage in this context) response typically misses wildly.
Follow the Richard Reid attempt with his shoe, the American response was that all domestic passengers have to pass their shoes through X-ray.
The idea that a binary explosive could be held in common liquid containers has resulted in all liquid containers greater than 3.4 oz are forbidden from flights.
And the terrorist attacks of 2001 resulted in two wars against nations that were only thought to have had involvement.
It could be said that we aren't very good at proportional response. It could be said that we are very *bad* at it.
Yup, large mortars is on the list.. Anything of a substantial enough size can be tracked and fired upon. What's the difference between a missile still flying after it's fuel has run out, and a mortar or other artillery piece flying where the fuel only existed in the launcher? Not much, outside of classification. They're both capable of doing damage when they hit.
No, it's more of, I didn't bother to spend much time looking this time. The details are available, I just didn't spend a lot of time looking this time.
You're partially right. They can't only look at the initial flight path, and fire the intercept at where it is predicted to be. They won't fire against one that will land harmlessly, based on it's predicted path. Since the target is unguided, they know it won't be making any sort of drastic course corrections. To make the final intercept, it has to use something to actually get close enough to damage it. I'd hope for $50k per intercept missile, there's something resembling guidance to intercept. Again, I'm not going to look for the method they're using, because I just don't feel like spending any time looking.
I'm not really concerned of either case. :) I worry more about the 2 to 6 ton barely guided weapons in use all over the world. They kill more people daily than flying pipe bombs. Yup, drivers scare the shit out of me. I've been hit by a few of *those*.
Speaking of which... In 2011, 384 people died in motor vehicle accidents in Israel. 33,808 died in the US. In 2007, 1.2 million people died world wide in motor vehicle accidents.
Thanks.
When I went hunting for information on the system, I was told that it could take down an RPG. My immediate reaction was, that's impossible. Oddly enough, it can't do it.
There are a few things that are givens, based on current and historical behavior. War in the middle east is one of them. They're good at it. They've been doing it forever (as far as living memory provides). They'll keep doing it, because someone will always be pissed at someone else, and it's part of the culture.
It's much like Europe centuries ago. They (mostly) got over it, except for a few rather nasty wars and a globally threatening conflict where no shots were fired.
Probably not, but I'm not an expert in their weapons.
According to this article, the Qassam missile reaches 200 meters per second (447 mph)
http://www.andyross.net/missiles.htm
It's under the title "Iron Dome Helpless Against Qassams" .
I was mistaken on COCOM. It's 1000 knots (1150 mph) or 18,000 meters (59,000 feet). I had read that there was a G limitation of somewhere around 3G, which would (probably) be exceeded at launch.
All I've found on the G limitation is that it is most likely a limitation in the equipment, not a mandated one.
Funny thing.. I was on a long flight a while back. I woke up mid-flight, and had no clue how far we were from the destination. I've learned not to bother ask the flight crew, they never give an accurate number (distance or time). I turned on my automotive GPS, and put it against the window. It took a few minutes, but finally picked up enough satellites. It read something like 65,000 feet. If that was accurate or not (probably not), it should have forced itself into a reset loop.
It's not like an automotive GPS is easily modifiable to use for anything but displaying numbers. I did do it with a USB GPS receiver many years ago, but I don't recall the numbers.
Don't say that too loud, or you'll have DHS or NSA knocking at your door. ... and GPS is limited to speed, altitude, and G forces. Look for information on the "COCOM Limits".
Come on, be more informative than that..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket
The majority of the rockets *are* home made. They have the budget of militant groups, not of a national military.
Sure, they're dangerous if one lands on you, or near enough for the payload to hurt you.
There have been actual military missiles used. They are the minority. I had found the count of missile types launched in the last 10 years, but I can't seem to find it now.
Where's the edit button when you need it?
The primary missile it is made to intercept is made of metal. Actually, all the cases that I read about were metal cased missiles, with a very obvious flight path.
Yes, but people generally equate ballistic missiles with ICBMs.
The ones that the Iron Dome is made to work against are relatively short range. I did some research on this after discussing it with some other people. They can basically intercept unguided missiles which cross into Israeli airspace, with a total flight of 3 km to 30 km.
The primary missile it's used to intercept are pretty primitive. Think along the same lines as the kind most readers here would have built out of cardboard from an Estes kit. They use fairly primitive solid fuel, a payload of common or improvised explosives, fins to make it fly sort of straight, and not much else.
Thousands have been launched towards Israel. Dozens have been hurt.
It could work against any number of threats, but I would guess it is best at something with a fairly horizontal trajectory. If it were to intercept something like an ICBM, I would guess the resulting blast would still have the effect the attacker desired.
It means that we'll farm it to the edge of extinction, and then ponder what happened to them all... Kinda like...
Hunting whales for blubber, and then wondering why there whales are almost extinct.
Using pesticide on virtually everything, and then wondering why bees are dying off.
Farming marginally arid land, and being surprised by the result.
I'm not an environmentalist wingnut. Sometimes the answer to "what could possibly go wrong" is really obvious.
Nope, it wasn't really a problem. I was in charge of IT. It was there when I started with the company. No one knew the purpose, the purpose of the server it was attached to, nor even the phone number. If it was an OOB access, there was no current employee who knew how to access it.
Don't forget back doors, layoff scripts, and manual tasks that were never documented.
Not every security hole is as obvious as a modem sitting on a rack. But some are. I found one at the last place I worked. Literally a modem sitting on top of a server, in a corner of the server room. No one knew the purpose behind it. I notified the necessary parties (dep't heads), and then unplugged it mid-day Monday. I expected complaints fairly soon after. There were none. Somehow, it had been there for quite a while (judging by the dust). Somehow no one noticed that they were paying for an extra phone line for years.