0.0001% might be exaggerating, but from what I've seen JavaScript Disabled is certain down in the noise level with "Opera" and "OS/2" and the random junk that's probably from crawlers. (Site doesn't use script for any major functionality.)
A bigger issue for us would be the ~2% of users that use legacy stuff like Nutscrape 4.x, IE5.0/Windows and IE5.x/Mac.
Well the point is that the iBook was *originally* that ultra-inexpensive, feature-limited laptop that we would not buy -- the original fisher price version didn't even have an audio jack!
The above poster was implying that Apple's prices had gone down, which is true, but I think that masks reality that Apple's lineup has actually gone up-market over the last few years.
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IIRC, there has been ocassions when the PowerBook G4 went "years" (more than one year) between upgrades.
Well that's a whole bunch of FUD. It's generally accepted that Pentium-M laptops have better battery life than PowerBook G4 models -- and that fits my observations with a similarly clocked PB and ThinkPad, despite the fact the ThinkPad is significantly faster in CPU benchmarks.
Perhaps your PC-using friends all have $400 walmart special laptops which is hardly fair comparison with Apple's products.
And like the other guy said, the 6 Hour Pismo laptops are long gone.
Of course, Apple's prices are dropping much more slowly than the PC market as a whole. For example, that $1499 iBook was one of the cheapest laptops on the market on introduction, but now one can buy a laptop for $500.
Just where do you think all of this hardware support will just magically appear from?
It "magically" came from Apple and was included in the OS. At least the developer OS had very broad Intel chipset support, and that's the vast majority of computers out there. (Of course things like wireless are probably significantly funkier).
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What the heck are you talking about?
Historically, Apple updates their product lines, either improving components or reducing price ( usually improving components ) about once every 6-8 months
What the heck are *you* talking about?
6-8 months is glacially slow in the PC market. Intel adjusts prices and releases new product every month. You'll never see Dell let 8-12 month go by without refreshing their laptop line.
Judging by suprise MacBook upgrade, it looks like Apple is abandoning their traditionally retarded ways and getting on PC upgrade curve.
Apple does a lot more than buy the same connectors. They buy wholey Intel designed and manufactured motherboards (aka "the computer") from Intel and pay third party assembly companies to screw them in Apple-designed cases.
Think he's referring to the HTTP library (wininet?) that originally shipped with IE4. There's no difference between an IE library and a windows library nowdays.
I've seen crappy laptops that overheat with any CPU you can think of (486, Pentium, PII, AMD, even Pentium-M). The commonality is the "crappy laptop" part, not the CPU.
> I think cutting edge is always going to have heat issues.
I think that's a lame excuse. There are vendors (IBM, RIP) that generally don't sell laptops with heat issues.
Not to mention that Apple will be shipping version 1.0 ACPI power management software. I wouldn't be suprised if the battery management isn't totally optimized until 10.5 ships. (Shades of early versions of OSX that also had crappy power mgmt.)
Picasa might be a nice "value-add" app to your existing desktop, but it's not going to get many people to switch OSes.
What IBM and Sun are doing for desktop Java (SWT and the next version of Swing) is going have a much greater long-term impact on "Desktop Linux" than a photo app will.
[No, this is not a cue to start bitching about Java.]
Because it's *Total* *Cost* of ownership? I don't see the point of making an "apples-to-apples" comparision -- If firefox etc is on your systems, you have patch it, and that has a cost associated with it. (And yes, putting Firefox on a Windows system does also increase TCO).
Now, this cuts both ways -- Unix/Linux users have long argued that their server system is better for TCO specifically because one can strip it down and not have browsers/etc on machines that don't need them. I think the market recognizes this. It also recognizes that the desktop Linux patch cycle isn't significantly different than Windows'.
This is something your walnut-sized brain imagined.
Microsoft's anti-Linux marketing is targetted against enterprise systems (Oracle, mainframes, etc), which, if anything, validates Linux as something that doesn't 'sux0rz' even though it might be more expensive.
Your main problem is OSX, which has a very complex display system, which simply means there's a ton of overhead. I've got an old G3, and Safari can't even keep up with my typing for simple textareas. Much less a complex word processing program like Word (which admitted is also bloated and slow).
Anyway, Word runs fine on a similar 400Mhz PII/Windows system. The worst thing about older PCs is the slow harddrives, not the CPUs. Windows' much simplier display model still works fine on those boxes.
(And IIRC, G3s and G4s were identical for integer work, so your "upgrade" really didn't do anything for Word.)
Well, a "Windows 2000-like" mode simply does not exist in Mac OS X. On lower-end systems (such as G3/Rage Pro models), you have to live with the overhead of Quartz whether you like it or not.
However, very few Vista users will ever see the Win2000 mode. It's there for back-compatiblity and hardcore speed freaks. Everyone else will see the same Aero UI with additional effects if their hardware supports it. Very similar to MacOS X.
Quartz 2D Extreme was announced to ship with Tiger, it didn't, and now it's been totally pulled out of even the developer modes. In other words it was total vaporware.
At this point, they've probably gone back to the drawing board and I doubt Quartz 2D Extreme will ever ship as described. The worst thing about it was that Apple made a big talking point about how they were going to beat Vista to market with this.
One can argue they have done this in the past, trying to confuse J++ and Java (J++ being their "version" of Java).
Yes, but: 1) J++ was being pitched as a VB replacement, at a much lower programmer education level 2) Java was relatively new, the standard wasn't widely known.
I guess I'm having trouble believing that C++ programmers would be confused by this.
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0.0001% might be exaggerating, but from what I've seen JavaScript Disabled is certain down in the noise level with "Opera" and "OS/2" and the random junk that's probably from crawlers. (Site doesn't use script for any major functionality.)
A bigger issue for us would be the ~2% of users that use legacy stuff like Nutscrape 4.x, IE5.0/Windows and IE5.x/Mac.
Look it up. RIAA sued Creative in the early days of MP3 players and lost.
Well the point is that the iBook was *originally* that ultra-inexpensive, feature-limited laptop that we would not buy -- the original fisher price version didn't even have an audio jack!
The above poster was implying that Apple's prices had gone down, which is true, but I think that masks reality that Apple's lineup has actually gone up-market over the last few years.
IIRC, there has been ocassions when the PowerBook G4 went "years" (more than one year) between upgrades.
And have you seen the motherboard in a Dell Dimension? ... same deal.
Intel has been shipping fundementally the same motherboard for a few years, so this isn't exactly a brandnew system under the hood.
Well that's a whole bunch of FUD. It's generally accepted that Pentium-M laptops have better battery life than PowerBook G4 models -- and that fits my observations with a similarly clocked PB and ThinkPad, despite the fact the ThinkPad is significantly faster in CPU benchmarks.
Perhaps your PC-using friends all have $400 walmart special laptops which is hardly fair comparison with Apple's products.
And like the other guy said, the 6 Hour Pismo laptops are long gone.
Of course, Apple's prices are dropping much more slowly than the PC market as a whole. For example, that $1499 iBook was one of the cheapest laptops on the market on introduction, but now one can buy a laptop for $500.
IBM only wanted DOS to run on PCs.
That hardly matters because IBM didn't have sole ownership of DOS.
Compaq bought their version of DOS from Micrsoft, and it didn't matter what the IBM EULA said.
Just where do you think all of this hardware support will just magically appear from?
It "magically" came from Apple and was included in the OS. At least the developer OS had very broad Intel chipset support, and that's the vast majority of computers out there. (Of course things like wireless are probably significantly funkier).
What the heck are you talking about?
Historically, Apple updates their product lines, either improving components or reducing price ( usually improving components ) about once every 6-8 months
What the heck are *you* talking about?
6-8 months is glacially slow in the PC market. Intel adjusts prices and releases new product every month. You'll never see Dell let 8-12 month go by without refreshing their laptop line.
Judging by suprise MacBook upgrade, it looks like Apple is abandoning their traditionally retarded ways and getting on PC upgrade curve.
Apple does a lot more than buy the same connectors. They buy wholey Intel designed and manufactured motherboards (aka "the computer") from Intel and pay third party assembly companies to screw them in Apple-designed cases.
Nice bunch of lies and FUD, pal.
Think he's referring to the HTTP library (wininet?) that originally shipped with IE4. There's no difference between an IE library and a windows library nowdays.
I've seen crappy laptops that overheat with any CPU you can think of (486, Pentium, PII, AMD, even Pentium-M). The commonality is the "crappy laptop" part, not the CPU.
> I think cutting edge is always going to have heat issues.
I think that's a lame excuse. There are vendors (IBM, RIP) that generally don't sell laptops with heat issues.
Not to mention that Apple will be shipping version 1.0 ACPI power management software. I wouldn't be suprised if the battery management isn't totally optimized until 10.5 ships. (Shades of early versions of OSX that also had crappy power mgmt.)
Picasa might be a nice "value-add" app to your existing desktop, but it's not going to get many people to switch OSes.
What IBM and Sun are doing for desktop Java (SWT and the next version of Swing) is going have a much greater long-term impact on "Desktop Linux" than a photo app will.
[No, this is not a cue to start bitching about Java.]
According to Microsoft, it's just HTTP.
Mac software that streams to an XBox360 was just released, so the Linux stuff can't be too far behind.
Because it's *Total* *Cost* of ownership? I don't see the point of making an "apples-to-apples" comparision -- If firefox etc is on your systems, you have patch it, and that has a cost associated with it. (And yes, putting Firefox on a Windows system does also increase TCO).
Now, this cuts both ways -- Unix/Linux users have long argued that their server system is better for TCO specifically because one can strip it down and not have browsers/etc on machines that don't need them. I think the market recognizes this. It also recognizes that the desktop Linux patch cycle isn't significantly different than Windows'.
Microsoft's "Lunix sux0rz Windoze r0x0rz lawl" marketing
This is something your walnut-sized brain imagined.
Microsoft's anti-Linux marketing is targetted against enterprise systems (Oracle, mainframes, etc), which, if anything, validates Linux as something that doesn't 'sux0rz' even though it might be more expensive.
Your main problem is OSX, which has a very complex display system, which simply means there's a ton of overhead. I've got an old G3, and Safari can't even keep up with my typing for simple textareas. Much less a complex word processing program like Word (which admitted is also bloated and slow).
Anyway, Word runs fine on a similar 400Mhz PII/Windows system. The worst thing about older PCs is the slow harddrives, not the CPUs. Windows' much simplier display model still works fine on those boxes.
(And IIRC, G3s and G4s were identical for integer work, so your "upgrade" really didn't do anything for Word.)
Well, a "Windows 2000-like" mode simply does not exist in Mac OS X. On lower-end systems (such as G3/Rage Pro models), you have to live with the overhead of Quartz whether you like it or not.
However, very few Vista users will ever see the Win2000 mode. It's there for back-compatiblity and hardcore speed freaks. Everyone else will see the same Aero UI with additional effects if their hardware supports it. Very similar to MacOS X.
Opensource/freeware doesnt means patent free.
GPL licenced software does claim to be patent-free (or freely licensed), but this is basically ignored by developers such as LAME and XViD.
Quartz 2D Extreme was announced to ship with Tiger, it didn't, and now it's been totally pulled out of even the developer modes. In other words it was total vaporware.
At this point, they've probably gone back to the drawing board and I doubt Quartz 2D Extreme will ever ship as described. The worst thing about it was that Apple made a big talking point about how they were going to beat Vista to market with this.
One can argue they have done this in the past, trying to confuse J++ and Java (J++ being their "version" of Java).
Yes, but:
1) J++ was being pitched as a VB replacement, at a much lower programmer education level
2) Java was relatively new, the standard wasn't widely known.
I guess I'm having trouble believing that C++ programmers would be confused by this.